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Title: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: TRIX on June 09, 2009, 04:53:46 PM
what a back

(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_191_mro1993.jpg)(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_047.jpg)
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Royal Lion on June 09, 2009, 07:44:22 PM
His back was crazy!
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Shockwave on June 09, 2009, 07:47:24 PM
Easily top 2. Personally I have him one. His back had a dryness, combined with a thickness and sheer width no one else ever had.
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Royal Lion on June 09, 2009, 07:59:06 PM
His back had the perfect blend of size, detail, and condition.
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: benchthis on June 09, 2009, 08:14:09 PM
Ronnie > Dorian
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Pecs on June 10, 2009, 08:03:25 AM
He took lots of performance enhancing drugs combined with weight training.

yap, he is the only one doing that...
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Figo on June 10, 2009, 01:35:19 PM
He took lots of performance enhancing drugs combined with weight training.

Probably combined with some nutrient consumption
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 10, 2009, 02:52:16 PM
Ronnie > Dorian
Dorian best Mr O ever ;D
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Nizar on June 11, 2009, 03:17:42 AM
Dorian best Mr O ever ;D


To quote Goldie  "and............... Here we go"
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: NeoSeminole on June 11, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
His back had the perfect blend of size, detail, and condition.

epic bacne :-X

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-UglySkin11.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/MoonCraters.jpg)
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: Royal Lion on June 11, 2009, 02:32:18 PM
epic bacne :-X

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-UglySkin11.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/MoonCraters.jpg)

Wow, you mean he took steroids??  Kinda like Ronnie's gyno I guess >:(
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 11, 2009, 02:42:52 PM
It's remarkable how much wider Coleman was even in the mid-90s.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Bix on June 11, 2009, 02:49:22 PM

What is that peak on his left bicep? Oil ? :-X


(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_191_mro1993.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: divcom on June 11, 2009, 03:15:53 PM
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 11, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
It's remarkable how much wider Coleman was even in the mid-90s.
That is a great shot of Ronnie, but they are hitting the shot differently - just look at the position of their arms.  Coleman was wide for sure, but far from being  "remarkably" wider  ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: jude2 on June 11, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
Ronnie must have spent a shit load of money on cars.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: dr.chimps on June 11, 2009, 05:42:42 PM
That 5th pic down thread is ridiculous. 'Shopped?   ???
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 11, 2009, 05:43:31 PM
Here are some good shots of both Ronnie & Dorian  :o
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Emmortal on June 11, 2009, 06:04:39 PM
2 best backs of all time right there :)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: americanbulldog on June 11, 2009, 06:07:26 PM
That is a great shot of Ronnie, but they are hitting the shot differently - just look at the position of their arms.  Coleman was wide for sure, but far from being  "remarkably" wider  ::)

To the right of Yates is Levrone, not Ronnie. 

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 11, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
1983 Mr. Olympia winner Samir Bannout should be mentioned in this thread. Also, 1993 Flex Wheeler had a SICK back.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 11, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
Just for shits and giggles

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: dr.chimps on June 11, 2009, 08:19:34 PM
Just for shits and giggles
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 11, 2009, 08:20:27 PM
Another great Flex back shot

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 11, 2009, 08:22:47 PM
Joel Stubbs

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 11, 2009, 08:32:21 PM
speaking of backs, voted #1 Back of all time by Flex magazine, with Dorian in his rightful spot at number 2 8)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 11, 2009, 08:37:52 PM
speaking of backs, voted #1 Back of all time by Flex magazine, with Dorian in his rightful spot at number 2 8)

Do you know that predictability is the most un-seductive trait known to mankind?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on June 11, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Ronnie must have spent a shit load of money on cars.
thats just another black mans opiion,,
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Shockwave on June 11, 2009, 08:49:49 PM
Do you know that predictability is the most un-seductive trait known to mankind?
With Fanaticism being second?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 11, 2009, 09:46:48 PM
speaking of backs, voted #1 Back of all time by Flex magazine, with Dorian in his rightful spot at number 2 8)
Aren't you the same guy who discredits Flex magazine any time they say something positive about Dorian?
Title: Re: dorian yates
Post by: NeoSeminole on June 12, 2009, 10:35:47 AM
Wow, you mean he took steroids??  Kinda like Ronnie's gyno I guess

haha, you nuthuggers are so predictable. Wtf does gyno have to do with a thread about Dorian's back? ???
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 12, 2009, 03:35:07 PM
Aren't you the same guy who discredits Flex magazine any time they say something positive about Dorian?

no, I discredit some of Peter McGough's comments (like that dorian precontest 93 was harder than ronnie ever was  ( ::)) because it is a ridiculous comment totally debunked by any visual media of any kind:
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Relentless on June 12, 2009, 07:12:11 PM
what a back

(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_191_mro1993.jpg)(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_047.jpg)

Although I question whether Dorian was the GOAT, he was an incredible bodybuilder.  That's an awesome back!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 12, 2009, 09:19:39 PM
no, I discredit some of Peter McGough's comments (like that dorian precontest 93 was harder than ronnie ever was  ( ::)) because it is a ridiculous comment totally debunked by any visual media of any kind:
Right....your visual media is much more convincing than the opinion of a long time bodybuilding expert who saw them both up close and in person. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 12, 2009, 11:16:48 PM
Can we not stick to the SUBJECT of BACKS?  ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 12, 2009, 11:32:26 PM
Right....your visual media is much more convincing than the opinion of a long time bodybuilding expert who saw them both up close and in person.  

Actually McGough wrote that Coleman had the best back and best physique he'd ever seen, right there in Flex fairly recently. Read it myself. This was highly humiliating to ND who constantly referenced McGhough's opinion. ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Viking11 on June 12, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
Coleman- and especially Stubbs may have had somewhat bigger backs. But, Dorian had size, shape, density and bone dry cuts. He also had the calves to balance out his back shots- which the others on this thread so far lacked. From the front, he was beatable. From the back, he was number one.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Lifter_X on June 13, 2009, 12:34:51 AM
Yates has nothing on this guy...

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a31d6b6a74.jpg)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 06:03:00 AM
Right....your visual media is much more convincing than the opinion of a long time bodybuilding expert who saw them both up close and in person. 

yes. anyone can see that. and its not 'my' visual media.

its everyone's upon which this sport is based.

 ::)

ps Mcgough was also a close personal friend of Dorian's in case you didn't know..

 ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 06:10:03 AM
Actually McGough wrote that Coleman had the best back and best physique he'd ever seen, right there in Flex fairly recently. Read it myself. This was highly humiliating to ND who constantly referenced McGhough's opinion. ;D

Ha ha ha pumpster in another Yates thread mentioning MY name , I own you like it's 1840  ;)

See you're reduced to outright lying now because you can't come up with anything else

He did say 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie was the best physique he's ever seen ON-STAGE  ;) and guess who was the best off-stage? Dorian Yates at 269 pounds here is the quote without lies

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.



Ha ha ha owned pumpster  ;)

and talk about humiliation ( besides me pointing out you're a tranny aficionado ) how about Ronnie Coleman on the topic of Dorian's back?

Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

and that was 2003 too boot  ;) owned again

and humiliation? how about this?  ;) this ended the truce thread and started a trend of puppies following me around trying to turn every thread into the truce thread

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


would you have smoked him? NO cased closed  ;D

FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so. 


Jim: you think so? Ronnie: I KNOW SO  ;)

case closed , thanks for attending humiliation 101 you have been schooled  ;D ;)

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: webcake on June 13, 2009, 06:13:58 AM
Ronnie was just being modest.

Peter Mcgough is a fat schmoe, take his words with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 06:19:56 AM
Ronnie was just being modest.

Peter Mcgough is a fat schmoe, take his words with a grain of salt.

Oh so you're thinking for Ronnie now huh? your his proxy?

Okay when McGough says Ronnie has a better back I'll take that with a grain of salt and when he says the greatest physique he's seen onstage was Ronnie 2001  ;) gotcha

Mr Modest BTW

HOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:

It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system



Ronnie Coleman on Jay Cutler : He must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics .


Ronnie Coleman on Jay beating him at the Olympia " being white sure helped Jay

Mr Modesty for sure  ::)

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: webcake on June 13, 2009, 06:22:49 AM
Mcgough = English
Dorian = English

Have you ever met Dorian? Have you ever gone to an Olympia? How much would you be willing to pay for a used thong of Dorians?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 06:26:27 AM
Mcgough = English
Dorian = English

Have you ever met Dorian? Have you ever gone to an Olympia? How much would you be willing to pay for a used thong of Dorians?

Never met Yates , never been to an Olympia , never bought anyone's used items  ;)

Ronnie = American FYI

no matter what you ball-lickers type you can NEVER change these facts , Dorian always beat Ronnie year-in-year-out and even when he became Mr Olympia Ronnie himself maintained he could NOT beat Dorian even after the fact  ;) I know this sucks badly for you all but that shows how great Dorian was  ;D

Dorian owned your hero get over it
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: webcake on June 13, 2009, 06:30:14 AM
Ronnie has 8 titles.

Dorian only has 6.

It's alright though, the great white hope Dorian was quite good..........2nd best imo, right after Ronnie.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 06:34:37 AM
Ronnie has 8 titles.

Dorian only has 6.

It's alright though, the great white hope Dorian was quite good..........2nd best imo, right after Ronnie.

Ha ha ha ha Dorian retired due to injuries Ronnie HIMSELF said he wouldn't have 8 Sandows if Dorian didn't retire

Dorian 8 victories over Ronnie

Ronnie 0 victories over Dorian  ;)

Race has nothing to do with it
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 13, 2009, 06:49:58 AM
Ha ha ha ha Dorian retired due to injuries Ronnie HIMSELF said he wouldn't have 8 Sandows if Dorian didn't retire

Dorian 8 victories over Ronnie

Ronnie 0 victories over Dorian  ;)

Race has nothing to do with it
Right on! Dorian would still be winning today if injuries hadnt occured.  8)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 06:52:29 AM
Right on! Dorian would still be winning today if injuries hadnt occured.  8)

Ronnie seems to thing even with the injuries he would have kept beating him  ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 13, 2009, 06:54:11 AM
Ronnie seems to thing even with the injuries he would have kept beating him  ;D
Dorian got into his mind and ruled him. 8)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 07:00:35 AM
Dorian got into his mind and ruled him. 8)

He knows Dorian beat him , he fears Dorian , I recall at the pressconference for one of the Olympia he was posed the hypothetical question if Jay beat him on that particular year and he scoffed at the idea and when pressed he flat-out refused to even entertain the possibility of Jay beating him , it speaks volumes on how he views Yates , even after he won he concedes to this day he couldn't beat him even riddled with injuries nevermind injury free and 269 pounds
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: webcake on June 13, 2009, 07:01:01 AM
8
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 13, 2009, 07:02:05 AM
He knows Dorian beat him , he fears Dorian , I recall at the pressconference for one of the Olympia he was posed the hypothetical question if Jay beat him on that particular year and he scoffed at the idea and when pressed he flat-out refused to even entertain the possibility of Jay beating him , it speaks volumes on how he views Yates , even after he won he concedes to this day he couldn't beat him even riddled with injuries nevermind injury free and 269 pounds
Yes in indeed Dorian rules his mind and body ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:03:59 AM
Bottom line is that Dorian beat the most competitive group of pros in their prime year in and year out.  It seems that every person who has seen Dorian compete was blown away by his conditioning and his shear size.

It's tough to say who would win between a best ever Ronnie versus a best ever Dorian.  Both had many stengths and some weaknesses.   However, I personally think Dorian's combination of size and conditioning would create major problems for Ronnie -- for Ronnie to match Dorian's conditioning he would have to come in around 250 and would lack Dorian's size; to match Dorian's size, he would have to compete in the 280s and would lack Dorian's conditioning.  Thus, I predict Dorian would win as he had the best ever combination of size and conditioning.

  
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 07:04:18 AM
8 times Ronnie lost to Dorian

true  ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: webcake on June 13, 2009, 07:04:38 AM
8
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:05:15 AM
8
Yeah, but he lost the title as a reigning Mr. O, something you cannot say about Dorian.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: webcake on June 13, 2009, 07:05:46 AM
8
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 07:08:51 AM
Bottom line is that Dorian beat the most competitive group of pros in their prime year in and year out.  It seems that every person who has seen Dorian compete was blown away by his conditioning and his shear size.

It's tough to say who would win between a best ever Ronnie versus a best ever Dorian.  Both had many stengths and some weaknesses.   However, I personally think Dorian's combination of size and conditioning would create major problems for Ronnie -- for Ronnie to match Dorian's conditioning he would have to come in around 250 and would lack Dorian's size; to match Dorian's size, he would have to compete in the 280s and would lack Dorian's conditioning.  Thus, I predict Dorian would win as he had the best ever combination of size and conditioning.

  

That's the problem right off the bat Ronnie no matter what year will never have as good as balance as Dorian , Ronnie lighter 01 ASC perhaps match him in conditioning but Dorian carries more size with equal conditioning and better balance , Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry and right back to balance and posing & presentation , so he's in trouble either way

Ronnie has advantages over Dorian no doubts but Dorian has more advantages over him and that's why he would beat him , he simply meets ALL of the criteria better
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 07:10:18 AM
8

8 Sandows over who? guys Dorian crushed when they were much better? not saying much Dorian's 6 over a much better field is worth more than Ronnie's 8 over ho-hum competition
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 13, 2009, 07:12:44 AM
That's the problem right off the bat Ronnie no matter what year will never have as good as balance as Dorian , Ronnie lighter 01 ASC perhaps match him in conditioning but Dorian carries more size with equal conditioning and better balance , Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry and right back to balance and posing & presentation , so he's in trouble either way

Ronnie has advantages over Dorian no doubts but Dorian has more advantages over him and that's why he would beat him , he simply meets ALL of the criteria better
Dorian was just a much more intense person that put more into the whole effort he was always in better condition than Ronnie and we all know the results :o
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:17:14 AM
Look at the overall thickness and condition displayed by Yates.  Unreal.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 07:22:27 AM
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Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry

 ::)

ronnie at 257 still looked like an anatomy chart:

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:25:01 AM
::)
Ronnie is hard and dry in that shot.  Conditioned for sure.  However, under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning and would be larger.  In 98/99 Ronnie didn't look that much larger than Flex.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 07:26:37 AM
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under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning

 ::)

its just excuse after excuse with these idiots.. ::)

when real life shows them to be wrong, they just go down their excuses list..

 :-\
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 07:27:53 AM
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Ronnie is not soft nor dry in that shot.

lol

no, not dry at all..his skin looks shrink wrapped to his body so much that the striations are going to explode...but the idiot nuthuggers say he doesn't look dry LMAO

 ::)

no wonder these idiots agree with McGough's stupid comments about dorian.. ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 07:34:38 AM
lol

no, not dry at all..his skin looks shrink wrapped to his body so much that the striations are going to explode...but the idiot nuthuggers say he doesn't look dry LMAO

 ::)

no wonder these idiots agree with McGough's stupid comments about dorian.. ::)
That was a typo on my behalf - I meant Ronnie is not soft and is dry.  He is shredded.  However, saying that under the same lights and at the same angle, e.g. the same show, that Dorian would be bigger and match or surpass his conditioning is not an excuse.  It is reality.

Ronnie won in 98/99 because he was more conditioned than Flex.  He didn't look much bigger but was much, much harder.  Dorian would have been just as hard as Ronnie and would have out-sized him. 

Your blind bias is clearly showing by your comments about McGough.  Surely you know much more than him because you have been around Ronnie and Dorian in competive shape so many times.  Idiot.  ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:33:29 AM
He also had the calves to balance out his back shots- which the others on this thread so far lacked. From the front, he was beatable. From the back, he was number one.

Having mediocre arms that in no way balance with the torso far outweighs calves, from ANY angle.

Besides which Coleman's calves were solid in the late 90s and fairly balanced with thighs and rest of physique.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:34:37 AM


Peter Mcgough is a fat schmoe, take his words with a grain of salt.

Everyone except ND who considers McGough one of his IFBB father-figures already knows that. :-X
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:36:03 AM

Have you ever met Dorian? Have you ever gone to an Olympia? How much would you be willing to pay for a used thong of Dorians?

LOL how do you know ND and Pollux don't already have several?  :-X :-X

I mean these two schmoes already have murals of all their favorite white BBs. :-*
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 08:37:53 AM
Your first pic is of Dorian's torn bicep, so of course it looks small in comparison.  However, the second shot is impressive IMO.

Dorian had awesome arms.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:38:21 AM
Ha ha ha ha Dorian retired due to injuries Ronnie HIMSELF said he wouldn't have 8 Sandows if Dorian didn't retire

Dorian 8 victories over Ronnie

Ronnie 0 victories over Dorian  ;)

Race has nothing to do with it

Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOL
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:39:52 AM
However, under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning and would be larger.  In 98/99 Ronnie didn't look that much larger than Flex.

So we're back to the lighting excuse? How about so smooth you could skate on him, with minimal size relative to others?

::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 08:40:31 AM
Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOL
::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 08:42:55 AM
So we're back to the lighting excuse?

::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nice blurry pic there....Jesus you're desperate to prove your points. For example, above you show Yates's left arm compared to Ray's.  However, if you would have shown the entire shot you would see that Yates has bigger tri's, delts, back, and his right bicep is also superior. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 08:44:48 AM
Even from the back he gets killed when the non-existent arms are raised.

And from the front and sides... :-X

He'd be lucky to place top 5 in the late 90s! Coleman and Wheeler chased him out!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 13, 2009, 08:51:17 AM
I love that pic you post where Dorian is 6 inches shorter and 3/4 the size of Levrone or Dillet.  Further proof of your desperation.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 13, 2009, 08:51:54 AM
why is a dorian back thread ALWAYS a cue for black people to post a ronnie back shot...

ronnie had more volume...so did paul dillet...who cares :-\

o wait...he's black so we r supposed to
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 08:56:54 AM
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So we're back to the lighting excuse?

they are desperate. its that simple. and their list is only so long, so they keep having to go back up to the top.. ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 08:59:54 AM
why is a dorian back thread ALWAYS a cue for black people to post a ronnie back shot...

ronnie had more volume...so did paul dillet...who cares :-\

o wait...he's black so we r supposed to

wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...

you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest

thats not how the sport works..

also,  dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.

dorians calves killed  ronnie;s though
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Viking11 on June 13, 2009, 09:20:23 AM
Having mediocre arms that in no way balance with the torso far outweighs calves, from ANY angle.

Besides which Coleman's calves were solid in the late 90s and fairly balanced with thighs and rest of physique.
  ummm, we were talking about backs. I only brought up calves because, particularly in back shots, his calves hurt the overall pose, and that's what makes it less impressive. Ronnie? His calves were in NO way proportionate. His thigh/calf imbalance - due, in part, to some of the best thighs ever, was pretty bad. Maybe only Roy Callender had it worse.  Ronnie was great, but calves?- please. As to arms, Dorian only had a problem after he tore the left biceps. In 93, they were huge, NOONE was saying he had underpar arms then. Even afterwards, ever seen his side triceps shot? Probably never been a better one. So really were talking one- injured muscle. Shall we bring up Ronnie the last couple years of his career after HE got injured?  Who looked better after getting hurt? Ronnie or Dorian?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: delta9mda on June 13, 2009, 09:20:47 AM
8
Haney did it first.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: delta9mda on June 13, 2009, 09:26:11 AM
Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOL
arm positioning is not the same, but you know this.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: delta9mda on June 13, 2009, 09:30:50 AM
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...

you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest

thats not how the sport works..

also,  dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.

dorians calves killed  ronnie;s though
again, you are posting a day of contest peaked ronnie pic and a 6 week out Yates pic and comparing?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr. Magoo on June 13, 2009, 09:34:11 AM
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...

you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest

thats not how the sport works..

also,  dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.

dorians calves killed  ronnie;s though

I think its safe to say this is the best back double bi of both ronnie and dorian.

Say what you want, but I like Ronnie's pic better.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 09:39:31 AM
  ummm, we were talking about backs. I only brought up calves because, particularly in back shots, his calves hurt the overall

Uh, if you bring up calves then we're talking everything.


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arm positioning is not the same, but you know this.

Positioning isn't a viable excuse when that same relative size and cuts deficit is seen across multiple pics. ;)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr.1derful on June 13, 2009, 09:58:10 AM
Pumpster and Huckster trolling in a Yates thread, hard to believe... ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 09:59:16 AM
Pumpster and Huckster trolling in a Yates thread, hard to believe... ::)

Well ensconed in your mind once again lol
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr.1derful on June 13, 2009, 10:01:10 AM
Well ensconed ensconced in your mind once again lol

Try sticking to words you can handle..lol
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 13, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Try sticking to words you can handle..lol

lol this is the clown with a history of internet diahhrea, trying too hard to impress by using 30 words when 10 will do.

In your mind kid. ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 10:32:53 AM
lol this is the clown with a history of internet diahhrea, trying too hard to impress by using 30 words when 10 will do.

In your mind kid. ;D

I own your mind like Dorian owned Ronnie , you're in yet another Yates thread typing my name  ;)

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 10:41:16 AM
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...

you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest

thats not how the sport works..

also,  dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.

dorians calves killed  ronnie;s though


He can't possibly have more volume when he's 22 pounds lighter you moron , and his forearms are triceps are most certainly not ' way better ' better lower back thickness? LMAO how does he have better glutes? explain that one homo , both have striated glutes what makes Ronnie's better? no scratch that I don't want to know and hams?  ::) ALL you do is type he's better PROVE they're better and stop trying to accumulate PARTS it's NOT how it works for the billionth time

and irony alert you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest

thats not how the sport works..


it's exactly what YOU just did you hypocrite , you clearly neglected muscular bulk , sorry sport 269 pounds beats 247 pounds in this department , you neglected balance & proportion ( for a reason ) you neglected posing & presentation , you're an ignorant hypocrite and that's a bad combo
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 10:45:06 AM
why is a dorian back thread ALWAYS a cue for black people to post a ronnie back shot...

ronnie had more volume...so did paul dillet...who cares :-\

o wait...he's black so we r supposed to

They hate the fact a white guy beat their ebony hero and that's the bottom line , Hulkster already referred to Dorian was the ' blocky white guy ' pumpster already said the Weiders hand picked Yates because he was white , pumpster said Priest was racist because he thinks Dorian would beat Ronnie , I mean the list goes on and on
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
again, you are posting a day of contest peaked ronnie pic and a 6 week out Yates pic and comparing?

lol those precontest pics of dorian look better than any stage shots ever taken!

 ::)

its in dorian's favor to use shots like that, and he STILL gets killed..

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
lol those precontest pics of dorian look better than any stage shots ever taken!

 ::)

its in dorian's favor to use shots like that, and he STILL gets killed..



No they don't look better than any onstage and what's funny is Dorian destroyed everyone and he didn't look like that now imagine how far he would be if he did  ;)

the reason Dorian looks better in the precontest is mainly due to his shape which he lost to much of when he dieted down , he can carry more weight and still maintain his density & dryness , something Coleman had a problem doing from 1998-1999  ;)

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 10:54:10 AM
of course I referred to dorian as a blocky white guy.

and if he were purple, I would have said blocky purple guy lol

he is blocky as all hell, plain and simple. has the aesthetics of a construction worker or powerlifter, not the greatest bb champ ever, like Ronnie..

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 13, 2009, 10:54:29 AM
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...



think the TOPIC of the thread says its about dorians back...

i usually EXPECT responces from black guys immediately posting ronnies pic..

i'm usually right :-\
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 10:55:20 AM
Pumpster and Huckster trolling in a Yates thread, hard to believe... ::)

What else are they gonna do? they were soundly defeated in the Truce Thread now they have to try and exact some sort of revenge
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 10:56:30 AM
but I am not black. I am a caucasian canadian.

just because I think ronnie crushes dorian doesn't mean I have to be a black person.

thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard.. ::)

Peter McGough says ronnie's 2001 AC physique is the best he has ever seen onstage, I guess he must be black too LOL

 ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 10:57:10 AM
What else are they gonna do? they were soundly defeated in the Truce Thread now they have to try and exact some sort of revenge

yeah, the FlowerShop Worker ran away from the truce thread, now he regrets it LOL

Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 10:58:15 AM
of course I referred to dorian as a blocky white guy.

and if he were purple, I would have said blocky purple guy lol

he is blocky as all hell, plain and simple. has the aesthetics of a construction worker or powerlifter, not the greatest bb champ ever, like Ronnie..



YOU brought race into , don't be surprised if people question you're motives and still scared of pics of Dorian flex huh? I don't blame you because his taper even with the wider waist & hips scares you
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
yeah, the FlowerShop Worker ran away from the truce thread, now he regrets it LOL



Ha ha ha still making up lies huh? you know I don't work at a flower shop now you're reduced to trying to use that as some sort of dig lol the only dig is on your desperation I could be homeless and still know eons more than you do about competitive bodybuilding

and again I won , Ronnie agrees with me , case closed , now I have nutt-huggers crying and following me around lol

I beat you using your own hero , that's gotta suck lmao  ;)

FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so. 
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 11:02:11 AM
^

great twigs on a barrel shot there. look at his left arm lol

good taper, major proportional flaws..despite the guy claim of perfection LOL ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 11:02:54 AM
sorry, you work for a 'flower company'

but your probably still gay  :-X lol
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 11:04:59 AM
^

great twigs on a barrel shot there. look at his left arm lol

good taper, major proportional flaws..despite the guy claim of perfection LOL ::)


yet long legs in relation to the short torso is okay , long arms in relation to the short torso is okay , calves dominated by quads is okay , forearms that aren't in proportion with his biceps/triceps is also , okay , glutes that stick out so much they can actually be seen from the front and that's okay , because it's Ronnie lol

go learn what judges look for fan boy  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
sorry, you work for a 'flower company'

but your probably still gay  :-X lol

Coming from the guy who compares other mens ass lines , yeah okay  ;)

how does it feel knowing Ronnie agrees with me , that's gotta suck lol your own hero ended the Truce Thread

FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so. 


I don't think so , I KNOW SO lmfao
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 11:15:30 AM
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go learn what judges look for fan boy

they look for what ronnie has

thats why he has 8 Mr. O's, an AC win (something dorian was never good enough to win) and more pro wins than any man alive.

not bad for someone who got beat by everyone before he improved his physique..
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 11:23:45 AM
they look for what ronnie has

thats why he has 8 Mr. O's, an AC win (something dorian was never good enough to win) and more pro wins than any man alive.

not bad for someone who got beat by everyone before he improved his physique..

Ronnie never faced Dorian that's why he won ( oh wait he did and lost ) , Ronnie admitted he wouldn't have all of his Sandows if Yates was able to continue   ;) Flex said he would have owned his Sandows as well , hey wait so did Kevin , and Cutler LMFAO

Ronnie blew it , tried to break Haney's record and LOST and Yates never wanted an Arnold Classic win , he dominated everyone so it would have been no different

Ronnie only won because Dorian retired that's a fact
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
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Ronnie only won because Dorian retired that's a fact

LMAO

 ::)

dorian was on par with Kovacs at the end. and you think Ronnie would have lost?

hahahhahaha

spoken like a true daisy picker hahahahaha
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 12:02:55 PM
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Ronnie admitted he wouldn't have all of his Sandows if Yates was able to continue

ronnie knows the politics of the IFBB olympia dynasties as well as any of us do.

he's not blind or naive unlike you

dorian would have been embarrased but its likely the judges would have looked the other way, just like they did for most of his post tear wins..
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 12:04:57 PM
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tried to break Haney's record and LOST

funny, dorian never even came close to it..lol
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 13, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
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Yates never wanted an Arnold Classic win , he dominated everyone so it would have been no different

he knew he would have lost.

dorian was lucky to win most of his post tear olympia wins, and when he tempted fate at the GP shows he look horrible.

Flex and Kevin hit their career bests at AC contests (hell, arguably so did Ronnie), not on the olympia stage which saved dorian's ass.

Flex on form or Kevin on form would have easily beaten the version of dorian that showed up at non olympia contests..

so, its likely had he chose to compete, he would have lost badly..

an on form Flex would have beaten this easily:
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
LMAO

 ::)

dorian was on par with Kovacs at the end. and you think Ronnie would have lost?

hahahhahaha

spoken like a true daisy picker hahahahaha

meltdown and Ronnie feels so  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
funny, dorian never even came close to it..lol

yeah because 6 is so far from 8  ::) more wonderful logic lmao

Dorian won 88% of the contests he entered and he lost just 2 times and both were second places finishes owned
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: YngiweRhoads on June 13, 2009, 12:19:19 PM
Being a fan of both Dorian and Ronnie I have no bias whatsoever but would say Dorian does have a better back. His lat spread is probably the best ever.

For overall physique though, I'd have to give it Ronnie.

This is talking about both men in their prime, of course.

Funny how any thread about either Dorian or Ronnie always turns into Dorian vs Ronnie.

Both were great bodybuilders and dominated the competition in their time.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 12:21:21 PM
he knew he would have lost.

dorian was lucky to win most of his post tear olympia wins, and when he tempted fate at the GP shows he look horrible.

Flex and Kevin hit their career bests at AC contests (hell, arguably so did Ronnie), not on the olympia stage which saved dorian's ass.

Flex on form or Kevin on form would have easily beaten the version of dorian that showed up at non olympia contests..

so, its likely had he chose to compete, he would have lost badly..

an on form Flex would have beaten this easily:

* Crickets *

Dorian dominated everyone to say he couldn't have won a show in the spring is nonsense , see Night of the Champions , owned again
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 12:24:19 PM
Being a fan of both Dorian and Ronnie I have no bias whatsoever but would say Dorian does have a better back. His lat spread is probably the best ever.

For overall physique though, I'd have to give it Ronnie.

This is talking about both men in their prime, of course.

Funny how any thread about either Dorian or Ronnie always turns into Dorian vs Ronnie.

Both were great bodybuilders and dominated the competition in their time.

No it's funny how every single thread that says Dorian , turns into Dorian vs Ronnie . thank the trollman fans BTW
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
ronnie knows the politics of the IFBB olympia dynasties because he received more gifts than anyone else
he's not blind or naive unlike you

dorian would have been embarrased but its likely the judges would have looked the other way, just like they did for most of his post tear wins..


fixed  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: dr.chimps on June 13, 2009, 12:32:01 PM
Being a fan of both Dorian and Ronnie I have no bias whatsoever but would say Dorian does have a better back. His lat spread is probably the best ever.

For overall physique though, I'd have to give it Ronnie.

This is talking about both men in their prime, of course.

Funny how any thread about either Dorian or Ronnie always turns into Dorian vs Ronnie.

Both were great bodybuilders and dominated the competition in their time.
Stay out of it, bro. These guys have been arguing for years; you'll only get in the way.  ;)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
Stay out of it, bro. These guys have been arguing for years; you'll only get in the way.  ;)

No argument , the case is closed , Ronnie admitted many times he couldn't beat Yates , just cry baby trolls now invading every single Yates thread lol trying to prove Ronnie wrong
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 13, 2009, 02:14:54 PM


thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard.. ::)

Peter McGough says ronnie's 2001 AC physique is the best he has ever seen onstage, I guess he must be black too LOL

 ::)

well this thread is not about who has the best back now is it?
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
well this thread is not about who has the best back now is it?

exactly , he can start all the threads he wants about Ronnie vs Dorian , but NO he has the compulsion to TROLL in every Yates thread
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 13, 2009, 03:34:54 PM
YOU brought race into , don't be surprised if people question you're motives and still scared of pics of Dorian flex huh? I don't blame you because his taper even with the wider waist & hips scares you

That is probably the best pic of Dorian I have ever seen in almost 20 years.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Danimal77 on June 13, 2009, 03:37:44 PM
funny, dorian never even came close to it..lol

Well, in defense to Dorian, at least he knew when to quit, unlike the imposter that still claims to be Ronnie Coleman.  ::)
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pioneer on June 13, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
ronnie make dorian look like his bitch! ronnie was bigger and stronger
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 13, 2009, 03:55:19 PM
ronnie make dorian look like his bitch! ronnie was bigger and stronger


Wow you told us lol maybe if you could come back under your regular account
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: YngiweRhoads on June 13, 2009, 04:00:13 PM
Stay out of it, bro. These guys have been arguing for years; you'll only get in the way.  ;)

Haha..I know man....I've been here for 9 or 10 years.
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 13, 2009, 04:02:51 PM
Well, in defense to Dorian, at least he knew when to quit, unlike the imposter that still claims to be Ronnie Coleman.  ::)
Right on, Ronnie looks like shit now needs to hanfg it up ;D
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 14, 2009, 07:03:14 AM
Dorian wins
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Royal Lion on June 14, 2009, 08:53:12 AM
Here's a much better comparison...
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Hulkster on June 14, 2009, 09:56:36 AM
^

thanks for posting that Royal Lion. as always, Ronnie wins- equal lats but with a much smaller waist, way better quads, arms in proportion to his torso. much better overall.

had we been able to see the calves, well, dorian would have won from the knees on down..as always..
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: affeman on June 14, 2009, 09:57:35 AM
Dorian = The most complete Mr. Olympia ever :o
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 14, 2009, 10:04:58 AM
Dorian = The most complete Mr. Olympia ever :o

What a joke when the arms were too small and waist too big. :P

Quoting a far more complete and impressive Sergio Oliva:

Yates: small arms and the belly of a cow
"
LOL


Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: pumpster on June 14, 2009, 10:09:09 AM
Calves and overly-muscular waist completely overwhelming tiny arms bwahahaahahahaahahaha


Flashing those 17s. :o
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: wild willie on June 15, 2009, 01:17:31 PM
Sergio had better arms than Dorian.......that is all!!  PERIOD!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dorian Yates - What a back
Post by: Immortal_Technique on June 15, 2009, 01:58:29 PM
Man it would have been an interesting comparison. Dorian looks stupidly good in '93. I think the difference in quad thickness and separation with Ronnie '99 is very noticable. Different league. Dorian looks tighter in the 'front relaxed' shot, but Ronnie's front lat spread was basically flawless that year, even the calves. But so was Dorians. Arms and legs would go to Ronnie of course, backs would be close. Dorian gets dryness, but Ronnie has those grazy hams and glutes. I can't see Dorian winning the rear double biceps, but lat spread would be apples and oranges. Ronnie had the flawless proportions and shape from behind, but Dorian has that crazy thickness and hardness. I think Ronnie's is more of a work of art, whereas Dorian's is a powerful rugged back. Whatever, god bodybuilding is gay. I don't know how this conversation doesn't get boring but it doesn't haha  :)