He took lots of performance enhancing drugs combined with weight training.
He took lots of performance enhancing drugs combined with weight training.
Ronnie > DorianDorian best Mr O ever ;D
Dorian best Mr O ever ;D
His back had the perfect blend of size, detail, and condition.
epic bacne :-X
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-UglySkin11.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/MoonCraters.jpg)
It's remarkable how much wider Coleman was even in the mid-90s.That is a great shot of Ronnie, but they are hitting the shot differently - just look at the position of their arms. Coleman was wide for sure, but far from being "remarkably" wider ::)
That is a great shot of Ronnie, but they are hitting the shot differently - just look at the position of their arms. Coleman was wide for sure, but far from being "remarkably" wider ::)
Just forshits andgiggles
speaking of backs, voted #1 Back of all time by Flex magazine, with Dorian in his rightful spot at number 2 8)
Ronnie must have spent a shit load of money on cars.thats just another black mans opiion,,
Do you know that predictability is the most un-seductive trait known to mankind?With Fanaticism being second?
speaking of backs, voted #1 Back of all time by Flex magazine, with Dorian in his rightful spot at number 2 8)Aren't you the same guy who discredits Flex magazine any time they say something positive about Dorian?
Wow, you mean he took steroids?? Kinda like Ronnie's gyno I guess
Aren't you the same guy who discredits Flex magazine any time they say something positive about Dorian?
what a back
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_191_mro1993.jpg)(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_047.jpg)
no, I discredit some of Peter McGough's comments (like that dorian precontest 93 was harder than ronnie ever was ( ::)) because it is a ridiculous comment totally debunked by any visual media of any kind:Right....your visual media is much more convincing than the opinion of a long time bodybuilding expert who saw them both up close and in person.
Right....your visual media is much more convincing than the opinion of a long time bodybuilding expert who saw them both up close and in person.
Right....your visual media is much more convincing than the opinion of a long time bodybuilding expert who saw them both up close and in person.
Actually McGough wrote that Coleman had the best back and best physique he'd ever seen, right there in Flex fairly recently. Read it myself. This was highly humiliating to ND who constantly referenced McGhough's opinion. ;D
Ronnie was just being modest.
Peter Mcgough is a fat schmoe, take his words with a grain of salt.
Mcgough = English
Dorian = English
Have you ever met Dorian? Have you ever gone to an Olympia? How much would you be willing to pay for a used thong of Dorians?
Ronnie has 8 titles.
Dorian only has 6.
It's alright though, the great white hope Dorian was quite good..........2nd best imo, right after Ronnie.
Ha ha ha ha Dorian retired due to injuries Ronnie HIMSELF said he wouldn't have 8 Sandows if Dorian didn't retireRight on! Dorian would still be winning today if injuries hadnt occured. 8)
Dorian 8 victories over Ronnie
Ronnie 0 victories over Dorian ;)
Race has nothing to do with it
Right on! Dorian would still be winning today if injuries hadnt occured. 8)
Ronnie seems to thing even with the injuries he would have kept beating him ;DDorian got into his mind and ruled him. 8)
Dorian got into his mind and ruled him. 8)
He knows Dorian beat him , he fears Dorian , I recall at the pressconference for one of the Olympia he was posed the hypothetical question if Jay beat him on that particular year and he scoffed at the idea and when pressed he flat-out refused to even entertain the possibility of Jay beating him , it speaks volumes on how he views Yates , even after he won he concedes to this day he couldn't beat him even riddled with injuries nevermind injury free and 269 poundsYes in indeed Dorian rules his mind and body ;D
8 times Ronnie lost to Dorian
8Yeah, but he lost the title as a reigning Mr. O, something you cannot say about Dorian.
Bottom line is that Dorian beat the most competitive group of pros in their prime year in and year out. It seems that every person who has seen Dorian compete was blown away by his conditioning and his shear size.
It's tough to say who would win between a best ever Ronnie versus a best ever Dorian. Both had many stengths and some weaknesses. However, I personally think Dorian's combination of size and conditioning would create major problems for Ronnie -- for Ronnie to match Dorian's conditioning he would have to come in around 250 and would lack Dorian's size; to match Dorian's size, he would have to compete in the 280s and would lack Dorian's conditioning. Thus, I predict Dorian would win as he had the best ever combination of size and conditioning.
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That's the problem right off the bat Ronnie no matter what year will never have as good as balance as Dorian , Ronnie lighter 01 ASC perhaps match him in conditioning but Dorian carries more size with equal conditioning and better balance , Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry and right back to balance and posing & presentation , so he's in trouble either wayDorian was just a much more intense person that put more into the whole effort he was always in better condition than Ronnie and we all know the results :o
Ronnie has advantages over Dorian no doubts but Dorian has more advantages over him and that's why he would beat him , he simply meets ALL of the criteria better
Ronnie bigger is softer and not as dry
::)Ronnie is hard and dry in that shot. Conditioned for sure. However, under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning and would be larger. In 98/99 Ronnie didn't look that much larger than Flex.
under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning
Ronnie is not soft nor dry in that shot.
lolThat was a typo on my behalf - I meant Ronnie is not soft and is dry. He is shredded. However, saying that under the same lights and at the same angle, e.g. the same show, that Dorian would be bigger and match or surpass his conditioning is not an excuse. It is reality.
no, not dry at all..his skin looks shrink wrapped to his body so much that the striations are going to explode...but the idiot nuthuggers say he doesn't look dry LMAO
::)
no wonder these idiots agree with McGough's stupid comments about dorian.. ::)
He also had the calves to balance out his back shots- which the others on this thread so far lacked. From the front, he was beatable. From the back, he was number one.
Peter Mcgough is a fat schmoe, take his words with a grain of salt.
Have you ever met Dorian? Have you ever gone to an Olympia? How much would you be willing to pay for a used thong of Dorians?
Ha ha ha ha Dorian retired due to injuries Ronnie HIMSELF said he wouldn't have 8 Sandows if Dorian didn't retire
Dorian 8 victories over Ronnie
Ronnie 0 victories over Dorian ;)
Race has nothing to do with it
However, under the same lights and at the same angle, Dorian would equal or surpass Ronnie's conditioning and would be larger. In 98/99 Ronnie didn't look that much larger than Flex.
Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOL::)
So we're back to the lighting excuse?Nice blurry pic there....Jesus you're desperate to prove your points. For example, above you show Yates's left arm compared to Ray's. However, if you would have shown the entire shot you would see that Yates has bigger tri's, delts, back, and his right bicep is also superior.::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
So we're back to the lighting excuse?
why is a dorian back thread ALWAYS a cue for black people to post a ronnie back shot...
ronnie had more volume...so did paul dillet...who cares :-\
o wait...he's black so we r supposed to
Having mediocre arms that in no way balance with the torso far outweighs calves, from ANY angle.ummm, we were talking about backs. I only brought up calves because, particularly in back shots, his calves hurt the overall pose, and that's what makes it less impressive. Ronnie? His calves were in NO way proportionate. His thigh/calf imbalance - due, in part, to some of the best thighs ever, was pretty bad. Maybe only Roy Callender had it worse. Ronnie was great, but calves?- please. As to arms, Dorian only had a problem after he tore the left biceps. In 93, they were huge, NOONE was saying he had underpar arms then. Even afterwards, ever seen his side triceps shot? Probably never been a better one. So really were talking one- injured muscle. Shall we bring up Ronnie the last couple years of his career after HE got injured? Who looked better after getting hurt? Ronnie or Dorian?
Besides which Coleman's calves were solid in the late 90s and fairly balanced with thighs and rest of physique.
8Haney did it first.
Yates was chased out, no way the Columbu of the 90s was getting any more gifts when overmatched LOLarm positioning is not the same, but you know this.
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...again, you are posting a day of contest peaked ronnie pic and a 6 week out Yates pic and comparing?
you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest
thats not how the sport works..
also, dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.
dorians calves killed ronnie;s though
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...
you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest
thats not how the sport works..
also, dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.
dorians calves killed ronnie;s though
ummm, we were talking about backs. I only brought up calves because, particularly in back shots, his calves hurt the overall
arm positioning is not the same, but you know this.
Pumpster and Huckster trolling in a Yates thread, hard to believe... ::)
Wellensconedensconced in your mind once again lol
Try sticking to words you can handle..lol
lol this is the clown with a history of internet diahhrea, trying too hard to impress by using 30 words when 10 will do.
In your mind kid. ;D
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...
you can't focus on one attribute and leave out all the rest
thats not how the sport works..
also, dont see how race comes it to it.Ronnie could be purple and dorian could be green and all of the above are still 100% true.,.
dorians calves killed ronnie;s though
why is a dorian back thread ALWAYS a cue for black people to post a ronnie back shot...
ronnie had more volume...so did paul dillet...who cares :-\
o wait...he's black so we r supposed to
again, you are posting a day of contest peaked ronnie pic and a 6 week out Yates pic and comparing?
lol those precontest pics of dorian look better than any stage shots ever taken!
::)
its in dorian's favor to use shots like that, and he STILL gets killed..
wrong. he had more volume AND way better arms, better lower back thickness, better taper, better glutes/hams, virtually equal detail...
Pumpster and Huckster trolling in a Yates thread, hard to believe... ::)
What else are they gonna do? they were soundly defeated in the Truce Thread now they have to try and exact some sort of revenge
of course I referred to dorian as a blocky white guy.
and if he were purple, I would have said blocky purple guy lol
he is blocky as all hell, plain and simple. has the aesthetics of a construction worker or powerlifter, not the greatest bb champ ever, like Ronnie..
yeah, the FlowerShop Worker ran away from the truce thread, now he regrets it LOL
^
great twigs on a barrel shot there. look at his left arm lol
good taper, major proportional flaws..despite the guy claim of perfection LOL ::)
sorry, you work for a 'flower company'
but your probably still gay :-X lol
go learn what judges look for fan boy
they look for what ronnie has
thats why he has 8 Mr. O's, an AC win (something dorian was never good enough to win) and more pro wins than any man alive.
not bad for someone who got beat by everyone before he improved his physique..
Ronnie only won because Dorian retired that's a fact
Ronnie admitted he wouldn't have all of his Sandows if Yates was able to continue
tried to break Haney's record and LOST
Yates never wanted an Arnold Classic win , he dominated everyone so it would have been no different
LMAO
::)
dorian was on par with Kovacs at the end. and you think Ronnie would have lost?
hahahhahaha
spoken like a true daisy picker hahahahaha
funny, dorian never even came close to it..lol
he knew he would have lost.
dorian was lucky to win most of his post tear olympia wins, and when he tempted fate at the GP shows he look horrible.
Flex and Kevin hit their career bests at AC contests (hell, arguably so did Ronnie), not on the olympia stage which saved dorian's ass.
Flex on form or Kevin on form would have easily beaten the version of dorian that showed up at non olympia contests..
so, its likely had he chose to compete, he would have lost badly..
an on form Flex would have beaten this easily:
Being a fan of both Dorian and Ronnie I have no bias whatsoever but would say Dorian does have a better back. His lat spread is probably the best ever.
For overall physique though, I'd have to give it Ronnie.
This is talking about both men in their prime, of course.
Funny how any thread about either Dorian or Ronnie always turns into Dorian vs Ronnie.
Both were great bodybuilders and dominated the competition in their time.
ronnie knows the politics of the IFBB olympia dynasties because he received more gifts than anyone else
he's not blind or naive unlike you
dorian would have been embarrased but its likely the judges would have looked the other way, just like they did for most of his post tear wins..
Being a fan of both Dorian and Ronnie I have no bias whatsoever but would say Dorian does have a better back. His lat spread is probably the best ever.Stay out of it, bro. These guys have been arguing for years; you'll only get in the way. ;)
For overall physique though, I'd have to give it Ronnie.
This is talking about both men in their prime, of course.
Funny how any thread about either Dorian or Ronnie always turns into Dorian vs Ronnie.
Both were great bodybuilders and dominated the competition in their time.
Stay out of it, bro. These guys have been arguing for years; you'll only get in the way. ;)
thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard.. ::)
Peter McGough says ronnie's 2001 AC physique is the best he has ever seen onstage, I guess he must be black too LOL
::)
well this thread is not about who has the best back now is it?
YOU brought race into , don't be surprised if people question you're motives and still scared of pics of Dorian flex huh? I don't blame you because his taper even with the wider waist & hips scares you
funny, dorian never even came close to it..lol
ronnie make dorian look like his bitch! ronnie was bigger and stronger
Stay out of it, bro. These guys have been arguing for years; you'll only get in the way. ;)
Well, in defense to Dorian, at least he knew when to quit, unlike the imposter that still claims to be Ronnie Coleman. ::)Right on, Ronnie looks like shit now needs to hanfg it up ;D
Dorian = The most complete Mr. Olympia ever :o