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hahaha ahhh more much to do about nothing...
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hahaha ahhh more much to do about nothing...
You don`t think it shows complete chaos, disarrangement and negativity among within and amongst supporters almost equally.
The Republican party can NEVER win if they don`t stretch to new demographics and those new demographics seem to not want anything to do with the Republican party.
Also, this shows the Republican party is failing to even keep a settled base which further puts the nail in the coffin.
Why wouldn`t you heed these type of warnings?
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I find that most people view socialist as a bunch of lazy assholes, but I don't have a cool youtube video. And I'm just to lazy to cut and paste a bunch of crap for wikipedia
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I find that most people view socialist as a bunch of lazy assholes, but I don't have a cool youtube video. And I'm just to lazy to cut and paste a bunch of crap for wikipedia
I think you are wrong.
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I think you are wrong.
Not possible,you claim to be a socialist unless your assigned government agent has contacted you and told you what to think.
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Not possible,you claim to be a socialist unless your assigned government agent has contacted you and told you what to think.
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Socialism is not when the Government controls things. Socialism is when the Government gives people control.
Sorry.
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Socialism is not when the Government controls things. Socialism is when the Government gives people control.
Sorry.
Huh? What planet are you from again?
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Read George Orwell. He was a lifelong Socialist and I think you would get a better idea of what Socialism is if you read his works and essays.
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Read George Orwell. He was a lifelong Socialist and I think you would get a better idea of what Socialism is if you read his works and essays.
I am well aware of how socailism is "supposed" to work, but once you add the human element you get a big dose of
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I am well aware of how socailism is "supposed" to work, but once you add the human element you get a big dose of
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You don`t think it shows complete chaos, disarrangement and negativity among within and amongst supporters almost equally.
The Republican party can NEVER win if they don`t stretch to new demographics and those new demographics seem to not want anything to do with the Republican party.
Also, this shows the Republican party is failing to even keep a settled base which further puts the nail in the coffin.
Why wouldn`t you heed these type of warnings?
TA - you are stuck in your college daze and dope induced fog.
One day when you actually get a job, get a mortgage, pay bills and taxes, have responsibilities, and most important, be accountable for your actions, you will understand why people are conservative.
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Hahaha!
TA has "Glorious College Liberal" stamped all over him.
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ANd what exactly is that supposed to mean? Cat got your tongue? enlighten me where socialism has prospered.
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Read George Orwell. He was a lifelong Socialist and I think you would get a better idea of what Socialism is if you read his works and essays.
TA - I think we should have a voters requirement that people who vote actually have to pay taxes and have a income producing job.
What do you think about that?
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TA - I think we should have a voters requirement that people who vote actually have to pay taxes and have a income producing job.
What do you think about that?
Of course not. Why would you want to hang out retirees and even Disabled War Veterans out to dry? (just to name a few of the MANY who would be affected by your insane idea)
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republican and democratic party aren't going anywhere. It's an illusion.
Not saying there isn't problems within the R party. You're delusional if you think the R party is dying.
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Of course not. Why would you want to hang out retirees and even Disabled War Veterans out to dry? (just to name a few of the MANY who would be affected by your insane idea)
Reitrees pay and vets pay taxes on their pensions and ss payments.
Shit, 90 year old geezers pay more in taxes than you do.
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Sorry 333386, I proposed a version of that a few weeks ago and got jumped by every liberal on the board.
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ANd what exactly is that supposed to mean? Cat got your tongue? enlighten me where socialism has prospered.
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Oh,
Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, France, United States of America, England, Japan, Germany, Denmark, Amsterdam etc.....
There are many countries with Socialistic elements, some more than others that are prospering well.
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Reitrees pay and vets pay taxes on their pensions and ss payments.
Shit, 90 year old geezers pay more in taxes than you do.
You have no idea what I pay in taxes. I have no idea what you pay. Your argument is stupid.
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Sorry 333386, I proposed a version of that a few weeks ago and got jumped by every liberal on the board.
Those who dont pay anything want to dictate their fanaties on to those of us who do pay taxes. Its amazing.
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You have no idea what I pay in taxes. I have no idea what you pay. Your argument is stupid.
You told me you dont have a real job other than doing research at the college. Unless you have a massive trust fund whereby you pay taxes on interest, you dont pay income taxes at all.
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Those who dont pay anything want to dictate their fanaties on to those of us who do pay taxes. Its amazing.
I thought the tea parties, which you supported, advocated NOT PAYING taxes and here you are bragging about paying taxes and wanting it as a requirement to be a citizen or to vote.
I don`t get it. ???
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Those who dont pay anything want to dictate their fanaties on to those of us who do pay taxes. Its amazing.
Of course. Only those who pay nothing for taxes want to raise them.
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You told me you dont have a real job other than doing research at the college. Unless you have a massive trust fund whereby you pay taxes on interest, you dont pay income taxes at all.
I never once told you what I do. And yes, I do have a trust fund and a lot of money in the stock market from when my parents died along with mutual funds that I do pay yearly taxes on.
I also pay property tax, sales taxes, car taxes etc...
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I personally support a Socialist tax plan where there is no income tax, only a NATIONAL SALES TAX similar to what Norway has.
Along with No tax on used goods and essentials.
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I never once told you what I do. And yes, I do have a trust fund and a lot of money in the stock market from when my parents died along with mutual funds that I do pay yearly taxes on.
I also pay property tax, sales taxes, car taxes etc...
You do realize that there is a very different treatment in monies received from long term holdings than on working income.
BTW - I started my business with $700.00 to my name and school loans to pay off.
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I personally support a Socialist tax plan where there is no income tax, only a NATIONAL SALES TAX similar to what Norway has.
Along with No tax on used goods and essentials.
There is no possible way that can work with a the Federal Reserve the way it is and the promises the govt has to fuflfill with long term debt and entitlement programs.
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You do realize that there is a very different treatment in monies received from long term holdings than on working income.
BTW - I started my business with $700.00 to my name and school loans to pay off.
I, like you, have to pay income tax as well.
Just curious,
Could your parents not afford to send you to school? If they could, why did you contribute to fattening the pockets of the Loan industry?
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You do realize that there is a very different treatment in monies received from long term holdings than on working income.
BTW - I started my business with $700.00 to my name and school loans to pay off.
does your hands ever get blisters from patting yourself on the back so much because you started your own business....I bet I've read 500 post's or more from you just pertaining to you starting/owning a business.get over yourself dude your shit stinks to.
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There is no possible way that can work with a the Federal Reserve the way it is and the promises the govt has to fuflfill with long term debt and entitlement programs.
22-25 percent or so National Sales Tax is purported to equal the amount we receive in Income Tax so it is doable.
Democratic candidate Mike Gravel had proposed this plan running for President in `08 and was by far, the best tax plan out of any candidate, Republican or Democrat.
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I, like you, have to pay income tax as well.
Just curious,
Could your parents not afford to send you to school? If they could, why did you contribute to fattening the pockets of the Loan industry?
I come from a working class ethnic blue collar family. They helped me a bit, but could not afford to pay for everything. The most important thing they ever gave me was a hard work ethic and a belief that if you want something you have to work and pay for it yourself. No handouts.
I feel uneasy about taking anything from anyone. My belief is that I am entitled only to what I can provide for myself since I am an able bodied person and can take care of myself. I dont want $$$$, I dont want aid, I just want to be left alone.
If I fail and screw up, its on me, not anyone else. I have no one to blame but myself.
If I succeeed, dont tax me to oblivion because others are not willing to take the risks and put in the time I did, and do every day.
Why should some lazy wretch make a claim to what I produce when he/she wants 4 weeks off a year, 7 hour work day, benes up the yin yang etc???? Fuck that!
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does your hands ever get blisters from patting yourself on the back so much because you started your own business....I bet I've read 500 post's or more from you just pertaining to you starting/owning a business.get over yourself dude your shit stinks to.
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22-25 percent or so National Sales Tax is purported to equal the amount we receive in Income Tax so it is doable.
Democratic candidate Mike Gravel had proposed this plan running for President in `08 and was by far, the best tax plan out of any candidate, Republican or Democrat.
Ok. But with that Consumption Tax you would have to support the idea that government be shrunk to the appropriate sustainable levels.
Do you support that?
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I come from a working class ethnic blue collar family. They helped me a bit, but could not afford to pay for everything. The most important thing they ever gave me was a hard work ethic and a belief that if you want something you have to work and pay for it yourself. No handouts.
I feel uneasy about taking anything from anyone. My belief is that I am entitled only to what I can provide for myself since I am an able bodied person and can take care of myself. I dont want $$$$, I dont want aid, I just want to be left alone.
If I fail and screw up, its on me, not anyone else. I have no one to blame but myself.
If I succeeed, dont tax me to oblivion because others are not willing to take the risks and put in the time I did, and do every day.
Why should some lazy wretch make a claim to what I produce when he/she wants 4 weeks off a year, 7 hour work day, benes up the yin yang etc???? Fuck that!
You choose to work as much as you do.
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You choose to work as much as you do.
Yeah, when you start with no $$$ to your name, you usually want to accumulate a degree of financial comfort.
If I want to live and pay for my stuff, I have to work to earn $$$$. Do we even have to have a discussion about this?
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3333 what businesses have you started? what did you start with $700?
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Ok. But with that Consumption Tax you would have to support the idea that government be shrunk to the appropriate sustainable levels.
Do you support that?
Of course I do. Starting with cutting the military budget by 50 percent and closing bases that we do not need.
The military budget and maintaining weapon systems that we do not even use or have no plans to use costs the most money.
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I come from a working class ethnic blue collar family. They helped me a bit, but could not afford to pay for everything. The most important thing they ever gave me was a hard work ethic and a belief that if you want something you have to work and pay for it yourself. No handouts.
I feel uneasy about taking anything from anyone. My belief is that I am entitled only to what I can provide for myself since I am an able bodied person and can take care of myself. I dont want $$$$, I dont want aid, I just want to be left alone.
If I fail and screw up, its on me, not anyone else. I have no one to blame but myself.
If I succeeed, dont tax me to oblivion because others are not willing to take the risks and put in the time I did, and do every day.
Why should some lazy wretch make a claim to what I produce when he/she wants 4 weeks off a year, 7 hour work day, benes up the yin yang etc???? Fuck that!
What I find ironic is that your business only exists because people are in debt, yet you rail against debtors who are the ones that enable you to work.
What would you do without the ones you hate?
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3333 what businesses have you started? what did you start with $700?
Debt Collection Agency.
$ 400.00 Computer
$ 200.00 Supplies
$ 50.00 telephone
I literally went door to door to local businesses until a few hired me. Actually, it started with a plumbing company that hired me to do mechanic's liens on properties. They refered me to other trades people, and on and on and on.
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Debt Collection Agency.
$ 400.00 Computer
$ 200.00 Supplies
$ 50.00 telephone
I literally went door to door to local businesses until a few hired me. Actually, it started with a plumbing company that hired me to do mechanic's liens on properties. They refered me to other trades people, and on and on and on.
You are definitely a contradiction by all aspects given your occupation and your intense hatred for those that allow it to exist.
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What I find ironic is that your business only exists because people are in debt, yet you rail against debtors who are the ones that enable you to work.
What would you do without the ones you hate?
I do only commercial collections. No medical or credit card debt. Serious, TA - you saw my site. I dont do personal debt obligations unless they are in connection with a commercial claim that someone signed a personal guaranty on.
Typical situation is a sub-contractor who gets screwed by a GC or commercial building owner. That's 85% of what I do.
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Nice.
and you've been doing that ever since? Weren't you the guy who was doing medical billing or that was someone else?
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You are definitely a contradiction by all aspects given your occupation and your intense hatred for those that allow it to exist.
No, I know what it takes to succeed. Its hard, its stressful, its risky, its time consuming, and that is the same with most small busineses.
I greatly despise any able bodied person looking for handout and take the easy short cuts in life.
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I do only commercial collections. No medical or credit card debt. Serious, TA - you saw my site. I dont do personal debt obligations unless they are in connection with a commercial claim that someone signed a personal guaranty on.
Typical situation is a sub-contractor who gets screwed by a GC or commercial building owner. That's 85% of what I do.
If everyone paid on time as you want them to do given your disdain for debtors, would you change jobs? Without debt, your job does not exist.
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Nice.
and you've been doing that ever since? Weren't you the guy who was doing medical billing or that was someone else?
I dont do medical collections as that is not something im comfortable with.
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I dont do medical collections as that is not something im comfortable with.
Why not? Is it because Medical bills and the failure of the Insurance Industry to pay on them is the number one cause of bankruptcies in America?
You would have lucrative work because Insurance companies, like the one I worked for, had no qualms about not covering bills using obscure reasons and language, thus causing bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
You really could rack up on people`s misfortunes and the Insurance Companies policies and loop holes.
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If everyone paid on time as you want them to do given your disdain for debtors, would you change jobs? Without debt, your job does not exist.
In a perfect work I would not have a job. I agree with you. However, when the human element is involved with anything related to money, well, you know how that goes. Bad things happen and I get phone calls.
Look at this way, lets say you are a GC with 1,000,000 project. 90% of that is being subed out and the GC makes 100k income/profit.
Lets say the GC estimated wrong and now the owner of the commercial building wants to back charge the GC 100K for shoddy work, bad estimating, etc???
What do you think the GC does???
1. Eat it and work for nothing????
or
2. Stiff those below him the difference????
#2 happens 99% of the time. That is where I come in and get shit taken care of.
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Read George Orwell. He was a lifelong Socialist and I think you would get a better idea of what Socialism is if you read his works and essays.
And yet he wrote a book detailing the excesses of a Socialist state....
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Of course I do. Starting with cutting the military budget by 50 percent and closing bases that we do not need.
The military budget and maintaining weapon systems that we do not even use or have no plans to use costs the most money.
Yeah....ok what bases don't we need there General Patton. Defense always gets cut by the douchebag left until we need it. Please tell me what needs to go..amid Iran/China/Russia/Nkorea/AQ..tell us what we should cut..maybe we could surrender and just let em march in.
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And yet he wrote a book detailing the excesses of a Socialist state....
Try again.
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Orwell, the British journalist and writer, penned his book in 1948 as a commentary on Soviet totalitarianism, a very present danger at the time. His dystopia was in many ways an even darker version of Stalin's Soviet Union, with a godlike leader, a ruling party that enforces the state's ideology, and an omnipresent secret police. Yet Orwell was a socialist, a man of the left whose polemic was directed in large part at the pro-Soviet delusions of his fellow leftists. Since then, both left and right have tried to appropriate Orwell's vision and claim it as their own....
I guess this never occured to u did it. I mean the Left never tries to limit rights do they?
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Orwell, the British journalist and writer, penned his book in 1948 as a commentary on Soviet totalitarianism, a very present danger at the time. His dystopia was in many ways an even darker version of Stalin's Soviet Union, with a godlike leader, a ruling party that enforces the state's ideology, and an omnipresent secret police. Yet Orwell was a socialist, a man of the left whose polemic was directed in large part at the pro-Soviet delusions of his fellow leftists. Since then, both left and right have tried to appropriate Orwell's vision and claim it as their own....
I guess this never occured to u did it. I mean the Left never tries to limit rights do they?
Wrong. Read Orwell`s essay entitled "WHY I WRITE".
In the essay he states his goal to rail against Soviet Totalitarianism and to promote Socialism and dispel the myth that Stalin`s Russia was Socialist. This made his VERY angry that people were misrepresenting Socialism by calling Russia as such when it was not. THAT is why he wrote.
He was later to add, in "Why I Write" (1946), "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
According to biographer John Newsinger,"the other crucial dimension to Orwell's socialism was his recognition that the Soviet Union was not socialist. Unlike many on the left, instead of abandoning socialism once he discovered the full horror of Stalinist rule in the Soviet Union, Orwell abandoned the Soviet Union and instead remained a socialist--indeed he became more committed to the socialist cause than ever."
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Wrong. Read Orwell`s essay entitled "WHY I WRITE".
In the essay he states his goal to rail against Soviet Totalitarianism and to promote Socialism and dispel the myth that Stalin`s Russia was Socialist. This made his VERY angry that people were misrepresenting Socialism by calling Russia as such when it was not. THAT is why he wrote.
He was later to add, in "Why I Write" (1946), "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
According to biographer John Newsinger,"the other crucial dimension to Orwell's socialism was his recognition that the Soviet Union was not socialist. Unlike many on the left, instead of abandoning socialism once he discovered the full horror of Stalinist rule in the Soviet Union, Orwell abandoned the Soviet Union and instead remained a socialist--indeed he became more committed to the socialist cause than ever."
It took u long enough to respond didn't it...couldn't find article that supported ur point. I was an English major bud.....I did alot on Orwell. And if u read my post..its one sentance. The "And yet he wrote a book detailing the excesses of a Socialist state".....that is socialism taken to its possible and scary extreme. His friends in the movement thought that socialism/communism were wonderful...so he wrote about how bad things could be. They worshipped Stalin, much like u idiots worship Barry.
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It took u long enough to respond didn't it...couldn't find article that supported ur point. I was an English major bud.....I did alot on Orwell. And if u read my post..its one sentance. The "And yet he wrote a book detailing the excesses of a Socialist state".....that is socialism taken to its possible and scary extreme. His friends in the movement thought that socialism/communism were wonderful...so he wrote about how bad things could be. They worshipped Stalin, much like u idiots worship Barry.
Are you stupid or just ignorant?
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According to biographer John Newsinger,"the other crucial dimension to Orwell's socialism was his recognition that the Soviet Union was not socialist. Unlike many on the left, instead of abandoning socialism once he discovered the full horror of Stalinist rule in the Soviet Union, Orwell abandoned the Soviet Union and instead remained a socialist--indeed he became more committed to the socialist cause than ever."
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It took u long enough to respond didn't it...couldn't find article that supported ur point. I was an English major bud.....I did alot on Orwell. And if u read my post..its one sentance. The "And yet he wrote a book detailing the excesses of a Socialist state".....that is socialism taken to its possible and scary extreme. His friends in the movement thought that socialism/communism were wonderful...so he wrote about how bad things could be. They worshipped Stalin, much like u idiots worship Barry.
You clearly know NOTHING about George Orwell or what or why he wrote what he did.
He was angry particularly at people like you who thought Stalinistic Russia was Socialist which he went to great lengths to educate people how and why it was not.
He was emotionally upset that people held this mythical belief and was the inspiration for most if not all of his work.
Please learn something about Orwell before you spout lies and myths.
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I guess u must be.....SOCIALISM TAKEN TO THE EXTREME...hence 1984. Ur a fucking retard that thinks he's an expert based on a cut and paste article. His friends thought socialism and Uncle Joe were great ....he wrote 1984 as an example that is could all go horribly wrong. Especially with a single leader..like Uncle Joe or hell even ur idiot president.
Hey TA did u read what I wrote....SOCIALISM taken to the extremeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Go study climate change or rep 225 100 times.
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Yet "1984" does have lessons beyond the totalitarian experience. Take the book's definition of "doublethink," the ideal mental state of the citizen of Orwell's dystopia: it is "the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them," the ability "to tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies."
It is not just governments - democratic or not - that engage in a less extreme version of such mental gymnastics. It's activists of all stripes; talk show hosts and pundits across the political spectrum; and, finally, ordinary people. The same is true of "newspeak," terminology invented to shade the real meaning of certain beliefs or acts and make them more appealing. (Even such popular terms as "pro-choice" for "pro-abortion rights" and "pro-life" for "anti-abortion" have overtones of newspeak.)
Another pervasive feature of the Orwellian state was the practice of constantly whipping up hatred toward the ideological enemy du jour. Looking at much of our political discourse today,
Who does that sound like. Orwell believed in British socialism that existed after 1945. His friends believed in the more extreme communist version.
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I guess u must be.....SOCIALISM TAKEN TO THE EXTREME...hence 1984. Ur a fucking retard that thinks he's an expert based on a cut and paste article. His friends thought socialism and Uncle Joe were great ....he wrote 1984 as an example that is could all go horribly wrong. Especially with a single leader..like Uncle Joe or hell even ur idiot president.
Hey TA did u read what I wrote....SOCIALISM taken to the extremeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Go study climate change or rep 225 100 times.
WRONG!
He did not write 1984 as a book about Socialism to the extreme!
In the essay "Why I Write", Orwell explains that all the serious work he wrote since the Spanish Civil War in 1936 was "written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism".[17] Nineteen Eighty-Four is an anti-totalitarian cautionary tale about the betrayal of a revolution by its defenders. He already had stated distrust of totalitarianism and betrayed revolutions in Homage to Catalonia and Animal Farm. Coming Up For Air, at points, celebrates the personal and political freedoms lost in Nineteen Eighty-Four.
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"My recent novel [Nineteen Eighty-Four] is NOT intended as an attack on Socialism "- George Orwell
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Yeah..again EXTREME SOCIALISM as seen in Stalin's Russia...posting bigger words doesn't make it true.
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Yeah..again EXTREME SOCIALISM as seen in Stalin's Russia...posting bigger words doesn't make it true.
Again.
It pained Orwell that people even remotely thought Stalin had something to do with Socialism.
Orwell`s basis for all of his work was to prove to people that Stalinistic Russia was NOT Socialistic at all but rather Totalitarianism.
The basis for 1984 was to dispel the myth that Russia was Socialist at all. How do you not know this?
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Are u an idiot....I guess u see what u want to see.
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Are u an idiot....I guess u see what u want to see.
I am simply quoting the man`s own work, "Why I write".
You are offering up lies and myths that he was diametrically opposed to.
This is not the only issue where you lie and use myths with shoddy sources.
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Lies...dude..what was point. Socialism taken to the extreme...like Barry. That was my point. It was a small point, but one u felt u could debate because u had nothing about the actual thread topic...nothing. U don't debate, u cut and paste like the work is ur own. Like ur some expert. I don't lie..that must be u. Remind me where ur video of the 225x100 is again. I'm still waiting for ur answer on the 50% cut in the military drivel. Quick wiki wiki wiki....
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Lies...dude..what was point. Socialism taken to the extreme...like Barry. That was my point. It was a small point, but one u felt u could debate because u had nothing about the actual thread topic...nothing. U don't debate, u cut and paste like the work is ur own. Like ur some expert. I don't lie..that must be u. Remind me where ur video of the 225x100 is again. I'm still waiting for ur answer on the 50% cut in the military drivel. Quick wiki wiki wiki....
You are supporting a LIE of your own creation. George Orwell was against the very thing you claim.
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Lies...dude..what was point. Socialism taken to the extreme...like Barry. That was my point. It was a small point, but one u felt u could debate because u had nothing about the actual thread topic...nothing. U don't debate, u cut and paste like the work is ur own. Like ur some expert. I don't lie..that must be u. Remind me where ur video of the 225x100 is again. I'm still waiting for ur answer on the 50% cut in the military drivel. Quick wiki wiki wiki....
YOU are the one without sources who just makes stuff up and admittedly are proud of it. You are angry at me because I use evidence, fact and direct sources.
Isn`t it hilarious? You really have a third-grade education and it shows.
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TA what the hell are u talking about.
"1984 presents Orwell's vision of a dystopia and warns us of the dangers of totalitarianism, oppressive governments, propaganda, and thought control. His dystopia had an oppressive, tyrranical government who sought to squish individual thought, choice, and action."
Which is my point...I'm not angry at u. TA if u really think u matter that much, u really need an ego check. U need to cut and paste because u have no idea what the fuck ur talking about.
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TA what the hell are u talking about.
"1984 presents Orwell's vision of a dystopia and warns us of the dangers of totalitarianism, oppressive governments, propaganda, and thought control. His dystopia had an oppressive, tyrranical government who sought to squish individual thought, choice, and action."
Which is my point...I'm not angry at u. TA if u really think u matter that much, u really need an ego check. U need to cut and paste because u have no idea what the fuck ur talking about.
Exactly. His point was to rail against Totaltarianism and defend Socialism and to educate people that Stalinistic Russia had nothing to do with Socialism.
You somehow conflated Totaltarianism with Socialism which is THE VERY thing that agitated Orwell enough to write 1984. He details this in his essay entitled "Why I write".
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Now how about u stop cutting and pasting and enlarging ur posts and explain where we need to cut 50%.
"Orwell created the figure of Big Brother to reflect the totalitarian governments of the time period (1948) such as Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. All of those leaders, like Big Brother, ruled through the use of violence, control, and propaganda"....
He was writing about a socialist England that went nuts. His friends admired Russia and communism, the book was a warning. My point has been the same...socialism taken to the extreme. Britain started out as 1945 socialism and became 1984 super totalitarianism. We face the same thing here. We have a nutbag trying on socialism who could easily drive us to 1984 style bullshit if unchecked.
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Now how about u stop cutting and pasting and enlarging ur posts and explain where we need to cut 50%.
"Orwell created the figure of Big Brother to reflect the totalitarian governments of the time period (1948) such as Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. All of those leaders, like Big Brother, ruled through the use of violence, control, and propaganda"....
He was writing about a socialist England that went nuts. His friends admired Russia and communism, the book was a warning. My point has been the same...socialism taken to the extreme. Britain started out as 1945 socialism and became 1984 super totalitarianism. We face the same thing here. We have a nutbag trying on socialism who could easily drive us to 1984 style bullshit if unchecked.
Again,
You are wrong in thinking it is in any way a criticism of Socialism.
In fact, Orwell thought Socialism to be the only antidote to defeating Hitler.
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Now how about u stop cutting and pasting and enlarging ur posts and explain where we need to cut 50%.
"Orwell created the figure of Big Brother to reflect the totalitarian governments of the time period (1948) such as Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. All of those leaders, like Big Brother, ruled through the use of violence, control, and propaganda"....
He was writing about a socialist England that went nuts. His friends admired Russia and communism, the book was a warning. My point has been the same...socialism taken to the extreme. Britain started out as 1945 socialism and became 1984 super totalitarianism. We face the same thing here. We have a nutbag trying on socialism who could easily drive us to 1984 style bullshit if unchecked.
You are TOTALLY wrong.
Orwell's words in this and other writings at the time leave no doubt that in 1940 he regarded "English Socialism" as highly desirable and was actively trying to bring about its victory.
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It is really ironic that you are distorting Orwell`s message as the one you are putting forth is the EXACT MESSAGE he was trying to fight against. This message being the false demonization of socialism.
It is Un-fucking-believable what you are doing HH6. You should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously.