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Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.
Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.
Just my opinion here.
1. Cycle weights with progression
2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX
3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also
4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.
5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.
6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights - getting better workout though and its easier to progress.
7. Use full and perfect ROM.
8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.
Flame away if you wish or add to it.
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Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.
Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.
Just my opinion here.
1. Cycle weights with progression
2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX
3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also
4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.
5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.
6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights - getting better workout though and its easier to progress.
7. Use full and perfect ROM.
8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.
Flame away if you wish or add to it.
Isn't this individually based?
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In GENERAL. I do sets of 5 on standing press with a reasonable weight. But as high as 12 on DB after.
On the sets of 5 i do LOTS of sets in SHORT period of time
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Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.
Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.
Just my opinion here.
1. Cycle weights with progression
You need to go back and "lernt" some more.
This means absolutely nothing. The weight you choose will be determined my your weak mind. What does that even mean anyway?
2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX
To a rookie, 1 hour and 15 minutes is considered "fast."
3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also
Your joints maybe. But real men should train heavier if they can handle it to maximize THEIR muscle building potential. 12 reps is a lot of reps in a set. You can lift much heavier doing fewer reps in a set.
By the way, "pumps" were sold to you by the supplement companies. They have nothing to do with the quality of a workout. You mean to tell me that you've never had a great workout without a pump?
4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.
5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.
6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights - getting better workout though and its easier to progress.
Meaningless, non useful advice. What's bitch weight to one person is not the same to another.
7. Use full and perfect ROM.
Silly advice that all rookies believe. Do you ever notice the top pros do not use perfect form or full ROM?
Oh yeah, you rookies thinks it because of the DRUGS. ;)
8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.
more non useful advice. If people have to use their own judgment of what work, the "bell curve" of the very good, average, and those who sucks will stay exactly the same. The average and those who suck CAN'T and should NOT use their own judgment.
Flame away if you wish or add to it.
Other that that, it's okay. I'll give you a C+
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Maybe they train different in your gym. However i found this is what works for me. An idiot would realise weights lifted is all relative. Appreciate imput though
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You need to go back and "lernt" some more.
This means absolutely nothing. The weight you choose will be determined my your weak mind. What does that even mean anyway?
To a rookie, 1 hour and 15 minutes is considered "fast."
Your joints maybe. But real men should train heavier if they can handle it to maximize THEIR muscle building potential. 12 reps is a lot of reps in a set. You can lift much heavier doing fewer reps in a set.
By the way, "pumps" were sold to you by the supplement companies. They have nothing to do with the quality of a workout. You mean to tell me that you've never had a great workout without a pump?
4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.
5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.
Meaningless, non useful advice. What's bitch weight to one person is not the same to another.
Silly advice that all rookies believe. Do you ever notice the top pros do not use perfect form or full ROM?
Oh yeah, you rookies thinks it because of the DRUGS. ;)
more non useful advice. If people have to use their own judgment of what work, the "bell curve" of the very good, average, and those who sucks will stay exactly the same. The average and those who suck CAN'T and should NOT use their own judgment.
Other that that, it's okay. I'll give you a C+
Calm down, you can say it without obvious anger-management issues. I agree with most of what he said, except on the first point about cycling no idea what that is, and no, full ROM is one of those nice internet rumors that won't die. Sometimes partial ROM is not only more effective but a lot safer. Also 8-12 reps is good but sometimes going down to 4-6 reps or higher than 12 is a good way of upping the weight past a sticking point and/or shocking the system.
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To clarify on cycling weights
Me tring to press 300lbs for 4x8 is all well and good. However I could do that for 2 months and not get anywhere.
By starting at maybe 275lbs and adding 5lbs a week or so in 6 weeks I could get to 305lbs 4x8. It simply means building the weights up rather than blasting away to failure evryday.
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Maybe they train different in your gym. However i found this is what works for me. An idiot would realise weights lifted is all relative. Appreciate imput though
It's sort of like telling someone they should "train hard." It's not useful advice because it has no clear cut meaning. You were trying to instruct people, weren't you?
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Just my experience.
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Calm down, you can say it without obvious anger-management issues. I agree with most of what he said, except on the first point about cycling no idea what that is, and no, full ROM is one of those nice internet rumors that won't die. Sometimes partial ROM is not only more effective but a lot safer. Also 8-12 reps is good but sometimes going down to 4-6 reps or higher than 12 is a good way of upping the weight past a sticking point and/or shocking the system.
Wow! You can feel my emotional state of mind from the written word? You are good. ;)
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Its actually easy to guage someons state of mind particularly in written form mate.
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terrible advice in this thread
all you need is optimal nurtient dense foods and keep your calories low
the most optimal nutrient dense foods
1 any dark greens
2 any fruit except banana and raisons
3 beer and dark greens during a workout, trust me on this one you keep keep calories low but energy and vitamins high especially the serum release of b-12 from the beer, always de-fat your liver with applecider vineager after everybeer
train as much as you can within a low calorie range. anyman should be able to train on less than 1500 calories, if he cant then he isnt getting enough vitamins and minerals in his diet from natural sources
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Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.
Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.
Just my opinion here.
1. Cycle weights with progression
2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX
3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also
4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.
5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.
6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights - getting better workout though and its easier to progress.
7. Use full and perfect ROM.
8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.
Flame away if you wish or add to it.
I hate this "what works for you" thing!!!
If you are not a perfectionist pro, who takes care of every little detail, you will never know whether 9 or 12 reps, or ON's whey over Muscletech's is better for you! So I think all these theories are unnecessary. Lifting weights regularly and eating lots of lean meat and rice will result in bigger muscles over years, that's it.
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Took me years of injuries etc to come to this. im a bit stubborn and had to work it out the hard way before I learnt what I was told by people older/bigger/stronger than me.
Nothing new or groundbreaking here. Just reiterating what EVERYONE told me and I ignored.
Just my opinion here.
1. Cycle weights with progression
2. Training faster is much better - obvioously a point of dimishing returns but I can get my workouts right down to 1hr 15mins now MAX
3. 8-12 reps IN GENERAL is better. Much easier on the joints, builds more muscle more fun and better pumps. Easy to get stronger also
4. Pick a few basic exercises and get good at them. Bench, squat, deadlift, chin, dip, row and press. All you need. Add in a few others also.
5. Protein is essential - I bumped up protein consumption and got bigger.
6. Leave your ego at the door - After my first 1 or 2 exercises I am wrecked and using bitch weights - getting better workout though and its easier to progress.
7. Use full and perfect ROM.
8. Certain rep ranges work better for certain people - find and exploit what works for you.
Flame away if you wish or add to it.
Do you lift wieghts that long? Even with 25 minutes of running I am usually done in an hour.
Just curious.
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Its actually easy to guage someons state of mind particularly in written form mate.
Do really believe that? You have never misinterpreted someone meaning in an email? No one has ever misinterpreted yours?
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Do really believe that? You have never misinterpreted someone meaning in an email? No one has ever misinterpreted yours?
Yes I do
FAO garebear...Yes i trained far too long too much rest etc. Trying to trim it down now
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here mine:
first of all "if you're over 6" you had to weight 350 lbs to overcome your leverage" Ed Coan.
1-deadlift heavy but once every two weeks.(5 reps)
2-bench 2 to 3 time a week.(2-7 reps), always stop your set one reps before the fail.
3-squat 2 time a week, once heavy (power style)2-5 reps, once light 5-10 reps(oly style), on the other week do deadlift instead of powerlifting squat.
4-the only assistance you need is squat for squat, bbel row and shrugs for dead, incline/shull crusher and military press for bench.
start your cycle raw, just add a belt and knee band at the end of cycle.
5-high protein/low carb/mid fat.
6-sleep a lot.
7-take a multivit, creatine, whey, that's all.
8-powerlifting is not an excuse for being fat, being bald or listenning heavy metal all day long.
9-keep the faith.
10-leverage play an important role, so don't dream if you got shitty leverage.
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Looking at his pictures, he seems to know what to do to get huge
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Don`t do nothing standing if you have a tendency to varicose!
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eat.
train.
sleep.
repeat.
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I would also add that the idea that only compounds are essential for growth is BS, one of those BB/internet nursery rhymes that never stops. You want max. arm size you need curls and extensions plus "good" bodyweight gain.
Wow! You can feel my emotional state of mind from the written word? You are good. ;)
Um, the hostility is blatant.. :D
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Lifting weights regularly and eating lots of lean meat and rice will result in bigger muscles over years, that's it.
There's got to more planning, thought and structure than that even if the "if it works for you" adage is overused.
terrible advice in this thread
all you need is optimal nurtient dense foods and keep your calories low
the most optimal nutrient dense foods
1 any dark greens
2 any fruit except banana and raisons
3 beer and dark greens during a workout, trust me on this one you keep keep calories low but energy and vitamins high especially the serum release of b-12 from the beer, always de-fat your liver with applecider vineager after everybeer
train as much as you can within a low calorie range. anyman should be able to train on less than 1500 calories, if he cant then he isnt getting enough vitamins and minerals in his diet from natural sources
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"Ursus" is now an expert in exercise science. ::)
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Notice my highly developed adams apple :D
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"Ursus" is now an expert in exercise science. ::)
Each photograph from this Tourettes Syndrome victim was taken in a mental institution.
His poor parents cry every time he is on a posting spree.
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Haha Arthur Nus...nice post history...80% of your posts are about me :)
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How is training for 1hr 15 fast? I dont think I've ever trained that long.
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Faster I mean. I used to train waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too long
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Mike Mentzer trained for 20 mins ;)
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How is training for 1hr 15 fast? I dont think I've ever trained that long.
Goudy is 19yrs old and dumb as a brick, anybody who would follow his training advice would be an idiot.
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John Goudy was finally institutionalized after wondering the streets wearing nothing but sandals and a bright orange umbrella, murmuring blasphemous chants while displaying uncontrolled spasms.
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Mike Mentzer trained for 20 mins ;)
I reckon if i get it down to an hr like most normal people that would be good.
An hr of intense training for me would be great I think. Anymore is overkill.
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Find what works for YOU
You may find you don't even need weights to get big
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Prior to getting institutionalized John Goudy showed clear signs of delusions of grandeur. Here he is claiming to be a world class strongman whilst having made "mindblowing" gains under the guidance of a well known sex offender.
"Since I started being trained by Paul, my gains in size and strength have literally been unbelieveable. I have become so strong that i have been able to represent my country at international powerlifting events and bring home a silver medal in the 2006 WPF world bench press championships.
I have also won numerous other powerlifting accolades and set Irish records. The sheer size and muscle I have also gained is mindblowing. Adding 6' to my chest, 3' to my arms, 4' to my legs and inches to my shoulders all whilst getting leaner and keeping my waist trimmer.
The gains in strength are equally astounding. My bench press is up 55kg, squat 100kg, deadlift 50kg shoulder press 40kg. I now chin and dip with weights added and am one of the biggest and strongest in my gym despite only being 22! I train primarially for strength and size and there is no doubt in my mind that Paul McIlroy is the best trainer in Ireland and whatever your goals he will help you achieve them, then exceed them. I highly recommend Paul to anyone, any age from any walk of life. My photos are testament to his fantastic training methods and philosophies. "
John Goudy, International "Mindblowing" Strongman
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That is my testimonial on my friends website.
This is more than likely Hans btw folks. Made a new account 1 day after he went apeshit and phoned my work.
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LOL
I like this new guy!
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John Goudy, International "Mindblowing" Strongman
LOL.
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Hear, hear commoners and peasants !
Follow John Goudy's revolutionary training advice, experience mindblowing gains in sheer size and muscle. Gains in strength are equally astounding !!!!!!!!!!
Guaranteed results ! You too can place 5th in an online competition !
Join the revolution ............... TODAY !
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Left is shane brodie. Right is Ber Delaney. Ber @ 90kg (198lbs) has something stupid like a 660, 555, 685 total.
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Left is shane brodie. Right is Ber Delaney. Ber @ 90kg (198lbs) has something stupid like a 660, 555, 685 total.
Looks like you don't want to ler Ber's hand go, are there thingz John Goudy???
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I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
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I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
(http://i41.tinypic.com/11r3yv7.jpg)
That pic really shows your mentally challenged side. :o
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Meh, Nothing strange or startling there. Those pics were not a secret.
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Meh, Nothing strange or startling there. Those pics were not a secret.
Seriously, do you suffer from a mental affliction. Something doesn't look right. :o
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To clarify on cycling weights
Me tring to press 300lbs for 4x8 is all well and good. However I could do that for 2 months and not get anywhere.
By starting at maybe 275lbs and adding 5lbs a week or so in 6 weeks I could get to 305lbs 4x8. It simply means building the weights up rather than blasting away to failure evryday.
The fact that you had to clarify to a training board mod what 'cycling weights' means shows the level of fundamental exercise ignorance here on getbig.
It's like giving construction advice while claiming to have never heard of gravity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_periodization
Periodization is an organized approach to training that involves progressive cycling of various aspects of a training program during a specific period of time...
Russian physiologist Leo Metveyev and Romanian sport scientist Tudor Bompa expanded and further organized the periodization model. Bompa and Metveyev have been regarded as the fathers of modern periodization. Since the 1960s, other coaches and exercise physiologists have added to the original models...
And I agree unconditionally with 90% of what you said, Goudy. I'd just rephrase no. 3 (will do later)
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cheers evandatp
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The fact that you had to clarify to a training board mod what 'cycling weights' means shows the level of fundamental exercise ignorance here on getbig.
It's like giving construction advice while claiming to have never heard of gravity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_periodization
Periodization is an organized approach to training that involves progressive cycling of various aspects of a training program during a specific period of time...
Russian physiologist Leo Metveyev and Romanian sport scientist Tudor Bompa expanded and further organized the periodization model. Bompa and Metveyev have been regarded as the fathers of modern periodization. Since the 1960s, other coaches and exercise physiologists have added to the original models...
And I agree unconditionally with 90% of what you said, Goudy. I'd just rephrase no. 3 (will do later)
Oh wikipedia! Is that only training "theory" on that site?
FYI. Sports performance training and maximum muscle building training are not the same thing. Just like a golfer would not use the same training concepts as a bodybuilder but I'm sure you can find a golfer "scientifically proven" theroy on there too.
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The fact that you had to clarify to a training board mod what 'cycling weights' means shows the level of fundamental exercise ignorance here on getbig.
It's like giving construction advice while claiming to have never heard of gravity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_periodization
Periodization is an organized approach to training that involves progressive cycling of various aspects of a training program during a specific period of time...
Russian physiologist Leo Metveyev and Romanian sport scientist Tudor Bompa expanded and further organized the periodization model. Bompa and Metveyev have been regarded as the fathers of modern periodization. Since the 1960s, other coaches and exercise physiologists have added to the original models...
And I agree unconditionally with 90% of what you said, Goudy. I'd just rephrase no. 3 (will do later)
Meltdown.
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I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
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Hey JF, Do you find that your neighbors don't stay your neighbors very long?
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Oh wikipedia! Is that only training "theory" on that site?
FYI. Sports performance training and maximum muscle building training are not the same thing.
No shit Sherlock. Where did you confuse two in my post?
Here is that quote again: Periodization is an organized approach to training that involves progressive cycling of various aspects of a training program during a specific period of time...
Just like a golfer would not use the same training concepts as a bodybuilder but I'm sure you can find a golfer "scientifically proven" theroy on there too.
So, you think that a natural bodybuilder can give their max effort in the gym 7 days a week, for 12 months in a year & make nothing but gains in size & strength.
On the other hand, I would say they need to cycle the poundages/volume & take 7-10 days off every 6-8 weeks. That's periodisation.
Read more carefully next time.
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No shit Sherlock. Where did you confuse two in my post?
Here is that quote again: Periodization is an organized approach to training that involves progressive cycling of various aspects of a training program during a specific period of time...
So, you think that a natural bodybuilder can give their max effort in the gym 7 days a week, for 12 months in a year & make nothing but gains in size & strength.
On the other hand, I would say they need to cycle the poundages/volume & take 7-10 days off every 6-8 weeks. That's periodisation.
Read more carefully next time.
So tell me. What exactly does cycling your poundage do to build muscle? Now, be sure that you don't tell me what it does NOT do (sore joints or injuries).
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The fact that you had to clarify to a training board mod what 'cycling weights' means shows the level of fundamental exercise ignorance here on getbig.
Seriously you do in fact have anger-management issues in addition to being a pompous jackass. Your naivete in suggesting that your problems couldn't possibly be obvious on a message board indicates a distinct lack of self-awareness. I mean you're just spewing the venom every which way thanx to your baggage lol
Cycling is not the correct term, it's periodization. Grow some balls and show up on the training board, otherwise STFU you beligerent POS.
Hope this helps. ;)
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Seriously you do in fact have anger-management issues in addition to being a pompous jackass. Your naivete in suggesting that your problems couldn't possibly be obvious on a message board indicates a distinct lack of self-awareness. I mean you're just spewing the venom every which way thanx to your baggage lol
Cycling is not the correct term, it's periodization. Grow some balls and show up on the training board, otherwise STFU you beligerent POS.
Hope this helps. ;)
+1, cycling ??? ::)
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+1, cycling ??? ::)
They're not interchangable like our genius jackass is claiming in fact that's a nice way to confuse the issue you twit.
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pumpster is one of the few guys here i would take training advice from.
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pumpster is one of the few guys here i would take training advice from.
Yes, the picture he posted of himself ripped and massive is enough for anyone to seek out his advice.
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where is arthur jones for the natural,,,you guys talk like your all on hormones ::)
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Yes, the picture he posted of himself ripped and massive is enough for anyone to seek out his advice.
don't worry, your on the list too. :-* ;D
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don't worry, your on the list too. :-* ;D
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Just a few things that work for me. Be progressive-increase weights and/or reps as much as possible, whether its 40 lbs or just 1 rep. Both are progress. Stay intense. The harder I train, the better I gain. Use intensity variables- forced reps, negatives, statics, rest pause, omni contractions frequently, but not on every single working set and cycle these. Rest. 3 days a week is enough if I'm busting ass. (Getting definition is different, like now, I'm as active as I can do it- 10+ hours of cardio a week plus training+ posing, etc). Eat well- right now I'm rolling keto. I have to make sure my protein is up when doing this, or I start losing muscle. That's my experiences for the recent past. I fully realize eveyone will respond differently to these protocols, just putting them out there.
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Seriously you do in fact have anger-management issues in addition to being a pompous jackass.
Err.. now just who has the anger management issues here?
They're not interchangable like our genius jackass is claiming in fact that's a nice way to confuse the issue you twit.
Grow some balls and show up on the training board, otherwise STFU you beligerent POS.
Hope this helps. ;)
Self-appointed, fundamentally ignorant, so-called expert meltdown.
And as for thinking I'd bother posting on a board where a irrational, power-tripping moderator can delete anything that shows him up for Weider-educated parrot he is ... ::)
Cycling is not the correct term, it's periodization.
Right, because that's the definition given in the in the glossary section of your 4 page photocopied Bowflex manual? Or perhaps you thought that the word of Pumpster was good enough? Your arrogance is shining through here.
Here for the third time in this thread I'll quote: Periodization is an organized approach to training that involves progressive cycling of various aspects of a training program during a specific period of time...
Your naivete in suggesting that your problems couldn't possibly be obvious on a message board indicates a distinct lack of self-awareness. I mean you're just spewing the venom every which way thanx to your baggage lol
If the above is in response to this:
So, you think that a natural bodybuilder can give their max effort in the gym 7 days a week, for 12 months in a year & make nothing but gains in size & strength.
you're insane & a piss-poor pop psychologist. If not, you'll need explain yourself better.
Hint:You'll look more intelligent if you show your reasoning.
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I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
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Looks like the kind of guy who masterbates in public.
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ouch, here the new vince godrum....
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Looks like the kind of guy who masterbates in public.
and no one dares to say a fucking word.
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and no one dares to say a fucking word.
X2
Big dorky looking muthafucka.
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Ursus is a cool bro who knows his shit about training.
Everyone who disagrees with him is a cock
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I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
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