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Title: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on June 13, 2009, 11:13:17 AM
Cleansing The Hatred From Within
By Russell Simmons, Editor-in-chief of Global Grind
Co-authored by Rabbi Marc Schneier

June 11, 2009

Yesterday's fatal shooting of a security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. was an American tragedy. A tragedy that hurts every bone in the body of this country. Although we have lived through many tragedies before, each one hurts like it was the first one. But like every tragedy, there is always a lesson to be learned.

The start of this year marked a new beginning for this country -- the United States elected its first African-American president. While historic, a black man's ascension to our nation's highest office, of course, did not extinguish racism nor silence supremacists. We are clearly not yet where we had hoped to be. The reality is since President Obama took office, hate and hate groups in this country have been on the rise. Last month, the FBI thwarted a plot by extremists who claim to be Muslim to bomb synagogues in the Bronx and shoot down military airplanes.

Seven days ago, President Obama visited the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany and spoke about the continuing intolerance of those who hate otherness, whether it be racial, sexual, or religious, a hatred "that degrades its victims and diminishes us all." He could not have known that only days later he would have to issue a statement condemning an atrocity that took place practically in his back yard in the very space where such acts are studied and recognized as present day threats.

Let yesterday's attack be a wake-up call. For us to be any sort of beacon of hope to the rest of the world, we must truly change ourselves. We must take a deep look inside of who we are, and begin to transform our hatred to love. We do this by putting our foot down and saying enough is enough. We do this through painful, honest dialogue. We do this by working together.

Racism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are alive and well in America. That we know. That is what is so painful. But, let us not let the pain cloud our judgment. We must work to let Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns' legacy be a renewed commitment to fight the abhorrent racism that continues to plague our country. Let us stop pointing fingers at others, and begin to truly examine ourselves and strive to a place of love and respect, rather than hate and tragedy.

Let us cleanse the hatred from within.

Perhaps in our eagerness to achieve the "post-racial" society, the harmonious bi-partisan governing, and all the ambitious goals we forgot that there is always effort that must be expended first. By coming together we are not already past or post anything; we are just beginning the process. What more can be done? The work is there waiting for us but maybe we can be less wary of it. We can change our trajectory and arrive at our destinations sooner, so long as the necessary steps of tolerance and understanding are taken.

The Holocaust Museum normally closes only on Yom Kippur and Christmas Day, but today it is closed in honor of Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns. But, our work continues long after the museum reopens.

Rabbi Marc Schneier and Russell Simmons are, respectively, President and Chairman of the The Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, a national non-profit organization dedicated to promoting racial harmony and strengthening inter-group relations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-simmons/cleansing-the-hatred-from_b_214471.html
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on June 16, 2009, 10:19:09 AM
I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS  >:(

You are fvcking certifiable in your delusion & denial.
It's the goddamn evangelicals who make it a political issue. Get real!!!

I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!

Any evangelical I off, is gonna be one who trys imposing themself on me. There's a big difference.

It's like someone on here once said "I'll shoot the fvckers if I have to."
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on June 16, 2009, 10:21:55 AM


Doh!   :o  I should add this to the left-wing hate speech thread.   :-\
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: MCWAY on June 16, 2009, 11:39:22 AM


Break out the rubber duckies. It looks as if Jaguar's going to be scrubbin' for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOONG time!
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: BM OUT on June 16, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
In other words,white people just sit there while minorities insult you,assault you and take your rights away.Dont dare stand up for yourself.Dont dare respond when minorities use slurs against you.Well,sorry,fuck that.I will treat those who hate me and my kind in the exact same way they tret me and my kind.Call us cracker,white boy etc.be prepared to get called a spook a coon or a jig.A jew wants to insult us,be prepared to get called a kike.We are not here to be stepped on or abused.Slap us,we slap you back.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on June 16, 2009, 07:50:45 PM


{LOL} Nice job quoting me out of context. I suppose it's to be expected from your kind.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: MCWAY on June 17, 2009, 06:00:54 AM
{LOL} Nice job quoting me out of context. I suppose it's to be expected from your kind.

Then what supposedly was the context for that tirade (Duckies are on standby)?

Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on June 17, 2009, 10:54:29 AM
Then what supposedly was the context for that tirade (Duckies are on standby)?



Seriously.  What's the context? 
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on June 18, 2009, 06:24:46 AM
Jag, what's the context of your hate speech?
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Benny B on June 18, 2009, 06:51:01 AM
Cleansing The Hatred From Within
By Russell Simmons, Editor-in-chief of Global Grind
Co-authored by Rabbi Marc Schneier

June 11, 2009

Excellent article, jag. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on June 18, 2009, 06:55:49 AM
Excellent article, jag. Thanks.  :)

Do you think this is excellent too?

I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS  >:(

You are fvcking certifiable in your delusion & denial.
It's the goddamn evangelicals who make it a political issue. Get real!!!

I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!

Any evangelical I off, is gonna be one who trys imposing themself on me. There's a big difference.

It's like someone on here once said "I'll shoot the fvckers if I have to."
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Benny B on June 18, 2009, 06:56:47 AM
Do you think this is excellent too?

I really could care less, bro. I liked the essay very much.
Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on June 18, 2009, 07:04:17 AM
I really could care less, bro. I liked the essay very much.
Thanks anyway.

You really could care less about a group of people being hated, murdered and forced underground because of their faith.

I understand!  It's much like those who could care less about discrimination, oppression or genocide, as long as they are not the ones being discriminated against, oppressed or being exterminated.    :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Benny B on June 18, 2009, 07:16:03 AM
You really could care less about a group of people being hated, murdered and forced underground because of their faith.

I understand!  It's much like those who could care less about discrimination, oppression or genocide, as long as they are not the ones being discriminated against, oppressed or being exterminated.    :)
The name "loco" fits you well, brother.  ;)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on June 18, 2009, 07:24:35 AM
Jag, what's the context of your hate speech?
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Fury on June 18, 2009, 08:14:02 AM
You really could care less about a group of people being hated, murdered and forced underground because of their faith.

I understand!  It's much like those who could care less about discrimination, oppression or genocide, as long as they are not the ones being discriminated against, oppressed or being exterminated.    :)

All religions need to go.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: OzmO on June 18, 2009, 08:38:25 AM
Jag we are all waiting.   ;D


You really could care less about a group of people being hated, murdered and forced underground because of their faith.

I understand!  It's much like those who could care less about discrimination, oppression or genocide, as long as they are not the ones being discriminated against, oppressed or being exterminated.    :)

This is very true.  Some even worship those who order genocide.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Fury on June 18, 2009, 08:56:16 AM
Jag we are all waiting.   ;D


This is very true.  Some even worship those who order genocide.   ;) ;D

A lot of "liberals" on here seem to.  :D
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: OzmO on June 18, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
A lot of "liberals" on here seem to.  :D

And who would that be that they worship?
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on June 18, 2009, 12:43:02 PM
Jag we are all waiting.   ;D


This is very true.  Some even worship those who order genocide.   ;) ;D

 :D

Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: OzmO on June 18, 2009, 02:45:29 PM
:D


She must be at a meeting   :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on June 18, 2009, 03:13:41 PM
She must be at a meeting   :)

I hope it's not a planning meeting to decide how to drive all religion underground.   :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: James on June 18, 2009, 04:54:09 PM
Quote
Cleansing The Hatred From Within
By Russell Simmons, Editor-in-chief of Global Grind
Co-authored by Rabbi Marc Schneier

June 11, 2009

Yesterday's fatal shooting of a security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. was an American tragedy. A tragedy that hurts every bone in the body of this country. Although we have lived through many tragedies before, each one hurts like it was the first one. But like every tragedy, there is always a lesson to be learned.

The start of this year marked a new beginning for this country -- the United States elected its first African-American president. While historic, a black man's ascension to our nation's highest office, of course, did not extinguish racism nor silence supremacists. We are clearly not yet where we had hoped to be. The reality is since President Obama took office, hate and hate groups in this country have been on the rise. Last month, the FBI thwarted a plot by extremists who claim to be Muslim to bomb synagogues in the Bronx and shoot down military airplanes.

Seven days ago, President Obama visited the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany and spoke about the continuing intolerance of those who hate otherness, whether it be racial, sexual, or religious, a hatred "that degrades its victims and diminishes us all." He could not have known that only days later he would have to issue a statement condemning an atrocity that took place practically in his back yard in the very space where such acts are studied and recognized as present day threats.

Let yesterday's attack be a wake-up call. For us to be any sort of beacon of hope to the rest of the world, we must truly change ourselves. We must take a deep look inside of who we are, and begin to transform our hatred to love. We do this by putting our foot down and saying enough is enough. We do this through painful, honest dialogue. We do this by working together.

Racism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are alive and well in America. That we know. That is what is so painful. But, let us not let the pain cloud our judgment. We must work to let Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns' legacy be a renewed commitment to fight the abhorrent racism that continues to plague our country. Let us stop pointing fingers at others, and begin to truly examine ourselves and strive to a place of love and respect, rather than hate and tragedy.

Let us cleanse the hatred from within.

Perhaps in our eagerness to achieve the "post-racial" society, the harmonious bi-partisan governing, and all the ambitious goals we forgot that there is always effort that must be expended first. By coming together we are not already past or post anything; we are just beginning the process. What more can be done? The work is there waiting for us but maybe we can be less wary of it. We can change our trajectory and arrive at our destinations sooner, so long as the necessary steps of tolerance and understanding are taken.

The Holocaust Museum normally closes only on Yom Kippur and Christmas Day, but today it is closed in honor of Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns. But, our work continues long after the museum reopens.

Rabbi Marc Schneier and Russell Simmons are, respectively, President and Chairman of the The Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, a national non-profit organization dedicated to promoting racial harmony and strengthening inter-group relations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-simmons/cleansing-the-hatred-from_b_214471.html

You are the most ignorant person on GetBig.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on June 19, 2009, 05:41:12 AM
I hope it's not a planning meeting to decide how to drive all religion underground.   :)

 :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: BM OUT on June 19, 2009, 08:34:55 AM
Isnt it funny how the left reacts to different things.The killing of Tiller and the shooting at the museum is shouted on the highest rooftop,but the killing of the army recruiter is barely mentioned.I guess when its one of our brave soldiers its not important nor a crime of hate.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 19, 2009, 08:38:47 AM
Isnt it funny how the left reacts to different things.The killing of Tiller and the shooting at the museum is shouted on the highest rooftop,but the killing of the army recruiter is barely mentioned.I guess when its one of our brave soldiers its not important nor a crime of hate.

That's because liberalism is a severe mental disorder. 
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: OzmO on June 19, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
Isnt it funny how the left reacts to different things.The killing of Tiller and the shooting at the museum is shouted on the highest rooftop,but the killing of the army recruiter is barely mentioned.I guess when its one of our brave soldiers its not important nor a crime of hate.

it works that way both ways though.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: boonasty on June 19, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
jaguar, can you post how loco took your posts out of context
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: James on June 23, 2009, 02:38:46 PM
jaguar, explain how loco took your posts out of context ?
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on July 01, 2009, 01:52:17 PM
BUMP
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 01, 2009, 01:54:04 PM
CHURP*********CHURP**********CHURP********CHURP
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on July 03, 2009, 07:24:26 PM
BUMP

jaguar, explain how loco took your posts out of context ?
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 03, 2009, 07:27:50 PM
*bump*
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on July 03, 2009, 07:32:06 PM
jaguar, please explain how I took your hate speech out of of context!

I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS  >:(

You are fvcking certifiable in your delusion & denial.
It's the goddamn evangelicals who make it a political issue. Get real!!!

I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!

Any evangelical I off, is gonna be one who trys imposing themself on me. There's a big difference.

It's like someone on here once said "I'll shoot the fvckers if I have to."
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 04, 2009, 06:27:28 AM
*bump*
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 04, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
I guess this means she doesn't intend to clarify her bizarre comments?  lol . . . .
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: andreisdaman on July 04, 2009, 04:11:00 PM
In other words,white people just sit there while minorities insult you,assault you and take your rights away.Dont dare stand up for yourself.Dont dare respond when minorities use slurs against you.Well,sorry,fuck that.I will treat those who hate me and my kind in the exact same way they tret me and my kind.Call us cracker,white boy etc.be prepared to get called a spook a #### or a jig.A jew wants to insult us,be prepared to get called a kike.We are not here to be stepped on or abused.Slap us,we slap you back.


you're out of your mind
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: andreisdaman on July 04, 2009, 04:12:39 PM
You are the most ignorant person on GetBig.

no..that would be you actually
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: andreisdaman on July 04, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
That's because liberalism is a severe mental disorder. 



you're out of your mind
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 03:54:44 AM
What's this about, you all are bent over Jag hating evangelicals?  This is the big gotcha :-\

What are you guys saying, anti-evangelical is on the same level as being anti-semetic and shit like that?

I'm sorry, evangelicals are nuts and the biggest ones are highly political and do plenty of hating themselves.  Evangelical is not a race of people so it's not the same level of hate.  It's hating an ideology, not a skin color.  So if you are going to call out Jag for hate speech and call her a hypocrite after all the hate I've seen put out on this board toward the left by some of you or even other ways of thinking... Wow, I'll be asking you to justify your past statements as well.   The only person here who I think is in the clear is BB, I can't think of any obvious hate by him.  He's careful in how he chooses his words here.  The rest of you might have some explaining to do. :D
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 04:13:40 AM
What's this about, you all are bent over Jag hating evangelicals?  This is the big gotcha :-\

What are you guys saying, anti-evangelical is on the same level as being anti-semetic and shit like that?

I'm sorry, evangelicals are nuts and the biggest ones are highly political and do plenty of hating themselves.  Evangelical is not a race of people so it's not the same level of hate.  It's hating an ideology, not a skin color.  So if you are going to call out Jag for hate speech and call her a hypocrite after all the hate I've seen put out on this board toward the left by some of you or even other ways of thinking... Wow, I'll be asking you to justify your past statements as well.   The only person here who I think is in the clear is BB, I can't think of any obvious hate by him.  He's careful in how he chooses his words here.  The rest of you might have some explaining to do. :D

BB, no hate? Meh, debatable...
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 04:43:52 AM
BB, no hate? Meh, debatable...
I didn't say he doesn't hate, I'm saying you won't prove it.  Best of luck finding his self-incriminating posts.  Others here are a little more direct in their distaste of things.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 04:50:29 AM
I didn't say he doesn't hate, I'm saying you won't prove it.  Best of luck finding his self-incriminating posts.  Others here are a little more direct in their distaste of things.

Zeus forbid...
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 05:44:33 AM
Zeus forbid...
welcome to my original point Deicide.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 05:45:16 AM
welcome to my original point Deicide.

Meh, sometimes BB seems so off the wall I think he just hams it up here...
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: boonasty on July 05, 2009, 07:43:39 AM
What's this about, you all are bent over Jag hating evangelicals?  This is the big gotcha :-\

What are you guys saying, anti-evangelical is on the same level as being anti-semetic and shit like that?

I'm sorry, evangelicals are nuts and the biggest ones are highly political and do plenty of hating themselves.  Evangelical is not a race of people so it's not the same level of hate.  It's hating an ideology, not a skin color.  So if you are going to call out Jag for hate speech and call her a hypocrite after all the hate I've seen put out on this board toward the left by some of you or even other ways of thinking... Wow, I'll be asking you to justify your past statements as well.   The only person here who I think is in the clear is BB, I can't think of any obvious hate by him.  He's careful in how he chooses his words here.  The rest of you might have some explaining to do. :D

what past statements of mine here do you want me to justify?

it looks like since you hate evangelicals too it's ok for people to spout hate against them?    religion or sexuality does not equal a skin color or race of people either so what do you mean it's not the same level of hate.  hate is hate isn't it?



Seven days ago, President Obama visited the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany and spoke about the continuing intolerance of those who hate otherness, whether it be racial, sexual, or religious, a hatred "that degrades its victims and diminishes us all."



Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 07:53:43 AM
what past statements of mine here do you want me to justify?

it looks like since you hate evangelicals too it's ok for people to spout hate against them?    religion or sexuality does not equal a skin color or race of people either.   




people are hating on religion and various ideologies all the time here.  I don't see the biggie.  People hate on specific religions over others.  I still don't think it's in the same ballpark as hating someone for the color of their skin.  Religion is a choice.  People are not born as evangelicals.  I don't think anyone here should have to be held accountable for despising things in people that are a choice.  It's like if I said I hate the republican party or someone else saying they hate the dems, who cares.  I got no problem with hate on that level and it flys here all the time.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: boonasty on July 05, 2009, 08:01:51 AM
people are hating on religion and various ideologies all the time here.  I don't see the biggie.  People hate on specific religions over others.  I still don't think it's in the same ballpark as hating someone for the color of their skin.  Religion is a choice.  People are not born as evangelicals.  I don't think anyone here should have to be held accountable for despising things in people that are a choice.  It's like if I said I hate the republican party or someone else saying they hate the dems, who cares.  I got no problem with hate on that level and it flys here all the time.

what the people are saying here is jag posted that article and spews out the same type of hate that obama condemns in that article.  now posting an article doesn't mean you agree with everything in it so maybe jag was just posting it as an informative article.  but somehow i think she agrees with it as long as it excludes groups that she hates.  that's why people want her to explain how loco took her posts out of context.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: andreisdaman on July 05, 2009, 08:26:11 AM
people are hating on religion and various ideologies all the time here.  I don't see the biggie.  People hate on specific religions over others.  I still don't think it's in the same ballpark as hating someone for the color of their skin.  Religion is a choice.  People are not born as evangelicals.  I don't think anyone here should have to be held accountable for despising things in people that are a choice.  It's like if I said I hate the republican party or someone else saying they hate the dems, who cares.  I got no problem with hate on that level and it flys here all the time.


I agree...it's not the same...I think we aree using the word "hate" instead of "criticism"....I see nothing wrong with hating a particular ideology....as long as the people of said ideology are not condemned to death or have rights and privileges taken away.....and are treated with respect for their beliefs
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 08:30:27 AM
what the people are saying here is jag posted that article and spews out the same type of hate that obama condemns in that article.  now posting an article doesn't mean you agree with everything in it so maybe jag was just posting it as an informative article.  but somehow i think she agrees with it as long as it excludes groups that she hates.  that's why people want her to explain how loco took her posts out of context.
well then I agree if Jag thinks or agrees with Obama that it should be unacceptable to hate a religion.  But I can't read her mind on that so I guess she will either speak on it or not.  I can see how one who is against racial hate would post that article even if they did believe it wasn't in the same arena as hating a religion.  Hard to find a politician who's not lumping it all together when talking on it.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
what the people are saying here is jag posted that article and spews out the same type of hate that obama condemns in that article.  now posting an article doesn't mean you agree with everything in it so maybe jag was just posting it as an informative article.  but somehow i think she agrees with it as long as it excludes groups that she hates.  that's why people want her to explain how loco took her posts out of context.

Correct. 
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
What are we really talking about here BB?  There is the kind of hate where people are actually persecuted for their beliefs with the end intent of denying, limiting or outright eliminating of the targeted system.  And then there is hate as a common expression for dislike.  I hate my neighbors, they're always having loud parties.  I hate people who sit on gym equipment talking on their cell phones.  I fucking hate Glenn Beck, his show sucks ass.  etc...

So when Jag says something like, "I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS" are you saying she's out to persecute Evangelicals? or just saying they suck and she really dislikes them?  I really don't give a crap if she's saying they suck but for this whole complaint you all got going to really matter, you must be saying Jag's out to persecute, deny, limit or eliminate Evangelicals.

I hate Evangelicals, I'll say it.  But I think they have the right to say and believe whatever the hell they like.  I just don't have to like it and I'll be honest, I hate it.  But I'm not out to persecute them seriously over it.  So what's up, how do you all figure that's where Jag was headed?  I'm not siding with Jag, it's more just the issue that raised questions for me.  She should have responded to questions.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2009, 03:58:48 PM
What are we really talking about here BB?  There is the kind of hate where people are actually persecuted for their beliefs with the end intent of denying, limiting or outright eliminating the targeted system.  And then there is hate as a common expression for dislike.  I hate my neighbors, they're always having loud parties.  I hate people who sit on gym equipment talking on their cell phones.  I fucking hate Glenn Beck, his show sucks ass.  etc...

So when Jag says something like, "I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS" are you saying she's out to persecute Evangelicals? or just saying they suck and she really dislikes them?  I really don't give a crap if she's saying they suck but for this whole complaint you all got going to really matter, you must be saying Jag's out to persecute, deny, limit or eliminate Evangelicals.

I hate Evangelicals, I'll say it.  But I think they have the right to say and believe whatever the hell they like.  I just don't have to like it and I'll be honest, I hate it.  But I'm not out to persecute them seriously over it.  So what's up, how do you all figure that's where Jag was headed?  I'm not siding with Jag, it's more just the issue that raised questions for me.  She's should have responded to questions.

We're talking about hypocrisy and extremism Hugo.  I created a "Left-Wing Hate Speech" thread that has comments and clips of liberals--who constantly preach "tolerance"--expressing hatred, wishing harm, committing crimes, and shouting down people with different viewpoints. 

Jag didn't just say she hates evangelicals.  She said "I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!"  That is abject hypocritical censorship. 

She also said "I'll shoot the fvckers if I have to."  Why?  Because she disagrees with their beliefs.

I guess it's possible she was just using hyperbole, but it is consistent with the intolerant language she uses with strangers who happen to disagree with her:

Quote
Beach, ...hard work is keeping from beating you within an inch of your life!  >:(  That's hard work!
 
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
well that's out of context a bit BB.  If evangelicals come after me, as in the subject of that thread, I'd defend myself too.  Evangelicals keep doing that kind of stuff, they'll be their own undoing.  forced underground will be what they brought on themselves just like any system that goes extremist nutso.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Hugo Chavez on July 05, 2009, 04:13:47 PM
plus Jag is just nuts, she loses her temper and says some of the craziest shit with her meltdowns.  She's probably ruined several keyboards frothing at the mouth.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 05, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
well then I agree if Jag thinks or agrees with Obama that it should be unacceptable to hate a religion.  But I can't read her mind on that so I guess she will either speak on it or not.  I can see how one who is against racial hate would post that article even if they did believe it wasn't in the same arena as hating a religion.  Hard to find a politician who's not lumping it all together when talking on it.

I don't hate religion, or the religious. I certainly don't hate Christians. what I hate, absolutely outright detest,
are evangelicals. As I've stated and clarified many times in the past, I use the word in it's adjective form. I detest those who cannot keep their religion to themselves and insist on persecuting others with it, ...and I will welcome a time when they are forced to stop persecuting others and be made to conduct worship the way it was originally intended.

plus Jag is just nuts, she loses her temper and says some of the craziest shit with her meltdowns.  She's probably ruined several keyboards frothing at the mouth.

(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/rotflmao.gif)

No, not from frothing at the mouth, ...but I have ruined a few from spilling Mountain Dew, Dr. Pepper, and cinnamon coffee on them. Now I make sure to slide the keyboard under the desk whenever I have liquids present.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 05, 2009, 04:30:41 PM
well that's out of context a bit BB.  If evangelicals come after me, as in the subject of that thread, I'd defend myself too.  Evangelicals keep doing that kind of stuff, they'll be their own undoing.  forced underground will be what they brought on themselves just like any system that goes extremist nutso.

EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2009, 04:38:52 PM
well that's out of context a bit BB.  If evangelicals come after me, as in the subject of that thread, I'd defend myself too.  Evangelicals keep doing that kind of stuff, they'll be their own undoing.  forced underground will be what they brought on themselves just like any system that goes extremist nutso.

What's out of context?  That's what people have been asking her to explain in this thread.  This isn't about someone defending themselves against those dastardly evangelicals, it's about what she claims she will do to them, like shoot them. 

Being "forced underground" means obliterating the First Amendment, if it's "forced underground" in this country.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
plus Jag is just nuts, she loses her temper and says some of the craziest shit with her meltdowns.  She's probably ruined several keyboards frothing at the mouth.

Yep. 
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 05, 2009, 04:55:51 PM
What's out of context?  That's what people have been asking her to explain in this thread.  This isn't about someone defending themselves against those dastardly evangelicals, it's about what she claims she will do to them, like shoot them...if I have to 

Did you miss the part where I said if I have to, ...or did you just conveniently take the first part out of context?  ::)

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Being "forced underground" means obliterating the First Amendment, if it's "forced underground" in this country.

I said nothing about the First Amendment, however, since you mention it, understand this has nothing to do with it.
I didn't say no one should have the right to their religion or to peaceably assemble. Freedom of speech is not freedom to harass, persecute, or convert. I think if you were to encounter a few evangelical muslims, or a few evangelical satanists, you might have an altogether different stance on the matter.

Forced underground doesn't mean obliteration of the first amendment. It simply mean not mainstream.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2009, 05:00:35 PM
Did you miss the part where I said if I have to, ...or did you just conveniently take the first part out of context?  ::)

I said nothing about the First Amendment, however, since you mention it, understand this has nothing to do with it.
I didn't say no one should have the right to their religion or to peaceably assemble. Freedom of speech is not freedom to harass, persecute, or convert. I think if you were to encounter a few evangelical muslims, or a few evangelical satanists, you might have an altogether different stance on the matter.

Forced underground doesn't mean obliteration of the first amendment. It simply mean not mainstream.

 ::)  Your statement has been quoted in it's entirety in this thread and others about ten times already.  The fact you would murder someone who wants to share a Bible verse with you makes you an extremist nut. 

Regarding the First Amendment, good thing you're not an American.  I've encountered plenty of people I disagree with, including a number of JWs.  Unlike you, I have no desire to murder any of them.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 05, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
::)  Your statement has been quoted in it's entirety in this thread and others about ten times already.  The fact you would murder someone who wants to share a Bible verse with you makes you an extremist nut. 

Regarding the First Amendment, good thing you're not an American.  I've encountered plenty of people I disagree with, including a number of JWs.  Unlike you, I have no desire to murder any of them.

You twist more than Chubby Checker!  :D
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Dos Equis on July 05, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
Jag's approach to evangelicals: 

(http://hahnathome.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/psycho3.gif)

(http://www.acqal.com/uploads/RTEmagicC_psycho_l.jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
The worst thing about Evangelicals is the crap they believe is so manifestly wrong in an epistemic sense. It is so obviously bullshit, it baffles the mind.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: 24KT on July 05, 2009, 06:59:28 PM
The worst thing about Evangelicals is the crap they believe is so manifestly wrong in an epistemic sense. It is so obviously bullshit, it baffles the mind.

{LOL} Hey, ...it worked for the Spanish Inquisition.  :D
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on July 06, 2009, 06:00:43 AM
Jag clearly said that she hates evangelicals, that she wants to murder them and to force them underground. 

Then she comes here and tries to teach us how to cleanse hate from within.    ::)

I quoted her hate speech.  She said I took her hate speech out of context.

Many here asked her to explain how I took her hate speech out of context.  She refused to explain.

plus Jag is just nuts, she loses her temper and says some of the craziest shit with her meltdowns.  She's probably ruined several keyboards frothing at the mouth.

Thanks Hugo, for providing the only explanation!  That's very nice of you to defend Jag!   :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Deicide on July 06, 2009, 06:08:22 AM
Jag clearly said that she hates evangelicals, that she wants to murder them and to force them underground. 

Then she comes here and tries to teach us how to cleanse hate from within.    ::)

I quoted her hate speech.  She said I took her hate speech out of context.

Many here asked her to explain how I took her hate speech out of context.  She refused to explain.

Thanks Hugo, for providing the only explanation!  That's very nice of you to defend Jag!   :)

Te amo.
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on July 06, 2009, 06:10:21 AM
Te amo.

Thanks Deicide, but that's not something a dude tells another dude.    :)
Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: Deicide on July 06, 2009, 06:14:43 AM
Thanks Deicide, but that's not something a dude tells another dude.    :)

Yo Sé pero Yo soy la excepción. ;D

Title: Re: Cleansing The Hate From Within
Post by: loco on July 06, 2009, 06:17:37 AM
Yo Sé pero Yo soy la excepción. ;D

 ;D