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What's the point of doing 30 mins of cardio to burn 300 calories, when you can just eat 300 less calories per day?
Is there any diffrence really?
They both slow your metabolism equally in the long term.
P.s Update on my Diet
So far, 4 weeks into my diet iv lost 10lbs. Very little cardio only walking :)
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What's the point of doing 30 mins of cardio to burn 300 calories, when you can just eat 300 less calories per day?
Is there any diffrence really?
They both slow your metabolism equally in the long term.
P.s Update on my Diet
So far, 4 weeks into my diet iv lost 10lbs. Very little cardio only walking :)
No difference as far as I can tell. Wavelength would definitely say no difference.
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Better cardiovascular health, a type 1 fiber workout as nature intended, and increased t4/t3 conversion, meaning higher metabolism, etc etc
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Better cardiovascular health, a type 1 fiber workout as nature intended, and increased t4/t3 conversion, meaning higher metabolism, etc etc
True.
Also, cardio makes you burn MUCH more fat than simply restricting calories. Restrictign calories only will lead to burning muscle and fat, whereas a high protein diet, amino acid supplementation AND cardio will lead to more fatloss.
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True.
Also, cardio makes you burn MUCH more fat than simply restricting calories. Restrictign calories only will lead to burning muscle and fat, whereas a high protein diet, amino acid supplementation AND cardio will lead to more fatloss.
I didn't say it but Wavelength would disagree.
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True.
Also, cardio makes you burn MUCH more fat than simply restricting calories. Restrictign calories only will lead to burning muscle and fat, whereas a high protein diet, amino acid supplementation AND cardio will lead to more fatloss.
respectfully, i don't agree.
i find cardio flattens you out and actually causes wasting as opposed to diet that restricts calorie intake and negates any type of cardio.
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respectfully, i don't agree.
i find cardio flattens you out and actually causes wasting as opposed to diet that restricts calorie intake and negates any type of cardio.
yes and no. if the cardio is very relaxed, and short term, then its fine. 15 minutes treadmill walking on a 1.0 incline about 2.5 to 3.0 mph after the workout... this is fine..
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yes and no. if the cardio is very relaxed, and short term, then its fine. 15 minutes treadmill walking on a 1.0 incline about 2.5 to 3.0 mph after the workout... this is fine..
I'd rather say the opposite and say that 30mins of high intense cardio does the trick.
15-30 mins of HIIT cardio burn off fat like a bbq a piece of butter.
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I'd rather say the opposite and say that 30mins of high intense cardio does the trick.
15-30 mins of HIIT cardio burn off fat like a bbq a piece of butter.
bullshit donkey.
Either your calorie intake is higher or lower than whats needed to burn fat, thats all that matters.
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There are benefits to cardio, no doubt about it. IMO, body composition is not one of them as long as rate of weight change is the same.
I do better without cardio.
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I've had the best results with long (45min+) sessions of mild cardio (bpm <130). Little to no muscle loss and quick fat loss. I wouldn't advise it during a bulker though.
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bullshit donkey.
Either your calorie intake is higher or lower than whats needed to burn fat, thats all that matters.
Yes, because your body either builds muscle or burns fat, there's no way he could do both.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
That's Bullshit. You have 24 hours every day, when you create an anabolic environment around training yet cut the calories in the evening, your body will use the calories after training to build the muscle and when your body is resting, it will burn off fat.
another possibilty is the refeed system, you mix high calorie and low calorie days, what means that you have 4 anabolic days and 3 catabolic days per week, so to speak.
There are a lot of ways to build muscle and lose fat at the same time.
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http://myogenic.de/wiki/praxis:912-hst
for the german speaking persons, i am looking up an english version now.
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Yes, because your body either builds muscle or burns fat, there's no way he could do both.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
That's Bullshit. You have 24 hours every day, when you create an anabolic environment around training yet cut the calories in the evening, your body will use the calories after training to build the muscle and when your body is resting, it will burn off fat.
another possibilty is the refeed system, you mix high calorie and low calorie days, what means that you have 4 anabolic days and 3 catabolic days per week, so to speak.
There are a lot of ways to build muscle and lose fat at the same time.
all true
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here's from the inventor of 912hst, zyko:
well, there are two basic principles behind 912:
1.working out a lot burns a lot of calories (which is good for getting rid of that annoying bodyfat).
and 2. working out a lot (heavy, frequent stimuli) helps retaining lean mass.
comparing the effects of heavy strenght training and cardio on EPOC, it appears to me that HST-like strength training is more effective for burning calories than any form of low intensity cardio (I'm speaking of LSD, long steady distance, not HIIT or interval training, which might be quite useful on the other hand).
see for example
schuenke et al. Effect of an acute period of resistance exercise on excess post-exercise oxygen consumption: implications for body mass management. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2002 Mar;86(5):411-7.
for further details. this study investigated the effects of a 3 sets, 10 reps to failure training protocol consisting of only 3 exercises (bench press, squat and power clean, 35 minutes in total per training session) on it's effect on resting metabolic rate following 48h after the initial workout. mean increase in metabolism was 20% in these two days. this is a whole lot of energetic demand for regeneration compared to cardio, which has not been shown to have any prolonged effects on metabolism.
all the other stuff in the article is rather supposed to server as an inspiration on how to conceive a training routine that provides the above stated criteria. if you don't like working out only 12 days in a row, go ahead and change the plan the way it fits you best (if you think you can handle such volume, frequency and load for more than 12 days without burning out). yet only one cycle of 912 was never actually supposed to form a stand-alone diet by itself. normally, a decent diet would consist of a sequence of such cycles.
a lot of people got sore joints and tendons from 912, while I have never heard of any serious injuries. I guess it's a blatantly stupid idea to suddenly increase every parameter of one's workout by 300-400% without further preparation. of course you need the general physical preparedness to sustain such poundages every day. this is just common sense.
I can't provide any empirical data in english language, but there is plenty to read on the german forums about 912. generally, people don't enjoy it ("too much, too heavy"), but no one I ever heard of has had disappointing results in the way of fat loss.
in the end, it's just a question of caloric balance. if you eat 2000kcal and metabolise 3000kcal, you lose 1000kcal equivalent of bodyfat. 912 or any other routine simply helps wasting more energy.
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Yes, because your body either builds muscle or burns fat, there's no way he could do both.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
That's Bullshit. You have 24 hours every day, when you create an anabolic environment around training yet cut the calories in the evening, your body will use the calories after training to build the muscle and when your body is resting, it will burn off fat.
another possibilty is the refeed system, you mix high calorie and low calorie days, what means that you have 4 anabolic days and 3 catabolic days per week, so to speak.
There are a lot of ways to build muscle and lose fat at the same time.
Have you ever done the mini bulk-cut cycles DK?
That's something I would like to try.
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Have you ever done the mini bulk-cut cycles DK?
That's something I would like to try.
Yes, i have done the anabolic diet with refeed days, 4 days of no/low carb with about 500 calories less and then one refeed day with about 1000-2000 calories more than the normal days, mostly of carbs and a bit protein.
It worked out very good, but fucked me up in the head. the four no carb days i was depressed, tired, couldn't concentrate or think, on the refeed days i felt good but had to eat all day long, what got a bit annoying after some time.
Results were pretty good though, best i ever had on only diet changes, no cardio at that time.
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Have you ever done the mini bulk-cut cycles DK?
That's something I would like to try.
Debussey recommends this but he said for me it would be better to first get down to very low bf and then do a month bulk, then a month cut...etc...
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Debussey recommends this but he said for me it would be better to first get down to very low bf and then do a month bulk, then a month cut...etc...
As I said, most experts advise longer bulk-cut cycles. I have never tried very short ones, but I want to try for my next bulk, staying single digit BF all the time.
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You want as big a caloric deficit as you can safely manage. [O lets say (in my case), maintaince calories per day is 2500. If I cut that by 500, then I'm at 2000 calories a day, and at a 500 calories deficit. That's good for a lb of fat loss a week. But, to reach my goal, I need to lose TWO lbs a week. I can, A) Cut my calories by another 500, or B) Do whatever amount of cardio it takes to burn 500 calories. A is fine, IF you can live on 1500 calories for weeks a time (and not lose muscle). I prefer to take in more nutrients, esp protein to help maintain muscle, give a thermogenic effect, and not feel like I'm constantly hungry. Its really an individual thing, but almost all higher level competitors do the higher food, cardio route.
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You want as big a caloric deficit as you can safely manage. [O lets say (in my case), maintaince calories per day is 2500. If I cut that by 500, then I'm at 2000 calories a day, and at a 500 calories deficit. That's good for a lb of fat loss a week. But, to reach my goal, I need to lose TWO lbs a week. I can, A) Cut my calories by another 500, or B) Do whatever amount of cardio it takes to burn 500 calories. A is fine, IF you can live on 1500 calories for weeks a time (and not lose muscle). I prefer to take in more nutrients, esp protein to help maintain muscle, give a thermogenic effect, and not feel like I'm constantly hungry. Its really an individual thing, but almost all higher level competitors do the higher food, cardio route.
Agreed. I'd rather do cardio than cut calories even more.
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You want as big a caloric deficit as you can safely manage. [O lets say (in my case), maintaince calories per day is 2500. If I cut that by 500, then I'm at 2000 calories a day, and at a 500 calories deficit. That's good for a lb of fat loss a week. But, to reach my goal, I need to lose TWO lbs a week. I can, A) Cut my calories by another 500, or B) Do whatever amount of cardio it takes to burn 500 calories. A is fine, IF you can live on 1500 calories for weeks a time (and not lose muscle). I prefer to take in more nutrients, esp protein to help maintain muscle, give a thermogenic effect, and not feel like I'm constantly hungry. Its really an individual thing, but almost all higher level competitors do the higher food, cardio route.
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What's the point of doing 30 mins of cardio to burn 300 calories, when you can just eat 300 less calories per day?
Is there any diffrence really?
They both slow your metabolism equally in the long term.
P.s Update on my Diet
So far, 4 weeks into my diet iv lost 10lbs. Very little cardio only walking :)
i burn around 420 calories in 30 minutes!!..
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Dont care!!
We should be muscular and capable of running semi long(2km around) distance quite fast!!
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Layne Norton says you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time, i think he knows his shit alot better than you guys, sorry no offence intended.
Building muscle dosen't happen in a matter of hours donkey, it's atleast a 2-3 day period after the muscle has been trained. The body won't use calories to build additional muscle tissue when your in a caloric defecit.
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True.
Also, cardio makes you burn MUCH more fat than simply restricting calories. Restrictign calories only will lead to burning muscle and fat, whereas a high protein diet, amino acid supplementation AND cardio will lead to more fatloss.
What about those of us (chumps) who are natural and need to gain more muscle while also trimming the fat? The old school of thought has always been to reduce/eliminate cardio when 'bulking' (if you wanna call it that). Even with the slower metabolism now that I'm older, it's still very hard for me to build muscle (defective testosterone, I guess), so I'm concerned about bringing the cardio back in, even though I'd like to be leaner for summer. I just don't feel I have enough lean muscle to be able to pull off 'sexy' if I work my hardest to trim the fat.
Advice?
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Layne Norton says you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time, i think he knows his shit alot better than you guys, sorry no offence intended.
Building muscle dosen't happen in a matter of hours donkey, it's atleast a 2-3 day period after the muscle has been trained. The body won't use calories to build additional muscle tissue when your in a caloric defecit.
Makes sense; they are completely different metabolic processes. One require more calories than maintenance, the other less.
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Layne Norton says you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time, i think he knows his shit alot better than you guys, sorry no offence intended.
Where does he say that?
I did build muscle on my current cut, so obviously it's possible.
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Layne Norton says you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time, i think he knows his shit alot better than you guys, sorry no offence intended.
Building muscle dosen't happen in a matter of hours donkey, it's atleast a 2-3 day period after the muscle has been trained. The body won't use calories to build additional muscle tissue when your in a caloric defecit.
With all due respect to Layne, we've been taught for years that building lean muscle will increase the body's fat-burning capabilities when the body is at rest. This is why resistance training and not-so-restrictive diets (in terms of total caloric) are often prescribed for even very obese people looking to reduce their bodyfat.
Is he saying that way of thinking is wrong?
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With all due respect to Layne, we've been taught for years that building lean muscle will increase the body's fat-burning capabilities when the body is at rest. This is why resistance training and not-so-restrictive diets (in terms of total caloric) are often prescribed for even very obese people looking to reduce their bodyfat.
Is he saying that way of thinking is wrong?
That's a different topic though. You could still get to a different body composition using a bulk - cut method first.
In any case, increasing your muscle mass will not increase the body's fat-burning capabilities significantly when the total weight is the same in the end.
A person weighing 200lbs with 10% BF will not have significantly better fat-burning capabilities than a person weighing 200lbs with 30% BF. There is a slight difference but it's insignificant.
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Where does he say that?
I did build muscle on my current cut, so obviously it's possible.
it's an illusion.
It is not possible, he has said many times in articles/in forum posts, as a natural when you start dieting you are stuck with the mass you have and just have to try and retain as much as possible.
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it's an illusion.
It is not possible, he has said many times in articles/in forum posts, as a natural when you start dieting you are stuck with the mass you have and just have to try and retain as much as possible.
Well I was coming from a layoff and my rate of weight loss was very low. It certainly was not an illusion, my strength went up significantly. I agree that a lot of factors come into play like training experience, genetics, etc. Also, if you would be dieting e.g. for a show, you won't gain any muscle just because your rate of weight loss won't allow it.
I would still like a reference where he is saying that a natural cannot gain muscle on a caloric deficit at all.
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Well I was coming from a layoff and my rate of weight loss was very low. It certainly was not an illusion, my strength went up significantly. I agree that a lot of factors come into play like training experience, genetics, etc. Also, if you would be dieting e.g. for a show, you won't gain any muscle just because your rate of weight loss won't allow it.
Agreed. Most of my muscle/strength gains have come while cutting. Doing it very slowly over 4-5 months works for me. I wouldn't adhere to a super strict diet but just try to keep the carbs lowish and protein abit higher. Once or twice a week I'd probably go abit over maintenance. Cardio anywhere from once to four times per week. It's a pretty unstructured approach, but at the end of it I'd be stronger, with more muscle and less fat.
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Agreed. Most of my muscle/strength gains have come while cutting. Doing it very slowly over 4-5 months works for me. I wouldn't adhere to a super strict diet but just try to keep the carbs lowish and protein abit higher. Once or twice a week I'd probably go abit over maintenance. Cardio anywhere from once to four times per week. It's a pretty unstructured approach, but at the end of it I'd be stronger, with more muscle and less fat.
That's basically what I did for the last 6 months, except for the cardio.
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feed the machine!!!!!... i know if you get 2 twins turning up on show day, one turns up after dieting the weight off low carb/cal style,, the other turns up eating a good amount of carbs all the way thru, but has hit the right balance of cardio and food ratios,,, who will win?
you fucking bet the cardio twin rules....... you need to find a balance, if your gaining, 3 times per week wont make u shrink or grow less, it will however keep you fit and healthy and help against getting too flaby
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regarding increasing muscle/strength on a lower calories - yes it is possible.
many factors can effect the results i.e. steroids, macronutrient ratios, maintenence calories, current body fat levels, coming back from a lay off, level of calorie reduction, etc
a read a study recently that showed net body protein increased while on a protein sparring modified fast at an extremely low calorie level :o
Effect of a protein-sparing diet and brief fast on nitrogen metabolism in mildly obese subjects.
Bistrian DR, Winterer J, Blackburn GL, Young V, Sherman M.
Five young, mildly obese females consumed a formula diet providing total calories at 1.2 X basal energy expenditure and egg white protein, 1.5 gm./kg. ideal body weight (IBW), for 1 week (period 1). During period 2, lasting 3 weeks, a protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) consisted of similar amounts of egg white without nonprotein calories followed by a 1-week total fast (period 3). In the final period (4), a PSMF with the use of meat protein, 1.5 gm./kg. IBW, alone was given for 1 week. Nitrogen balance (Nbal) measurements were made in all periods, and periods 2, 3, and 4 were compared with period 1. No significant difference existed between period 1 and period 2, although Nbal improved weekly during period 2. Nitrogen excretion in period 3 was similar to that found after 3 weeks of total fasting and was significantly negative, whereas positive balances occurred in period 4 with both periods being significantly different from period 1. Thus nitrogen equilibrium in the PSMF can be achieved with the use of protein free from fat, confirming earlier experience with meat protein. The metabolic adaption which occurs during toal fasting and results in reduced nitrogen loss develops in the course of PSMF. After a deficit in lean body mass is produced, net protein anabolism can be achieved by a PSMF despite insufficinet dietary energy.
regarding the original question i.e. 300 calories from cardio or diet - there are many factors such as those mentioned above that will dictate results.
for instance if you are just finished a bulking phase of 4000 cals a day then 300 cals less from cardio or diet wont make any difference in fat loss or muscle maintance. However if you have been dieting for a while and are already under 10%bf then the choice of diet or cardio for further calorie reductions can make a difference to bf and muscle retention.
at this time cardio would be the prefered choice for numerous reasons. i.e. cardio will increase metabolism ( not decrease it as stated above), exercise will force you to use muscles, and in turn help protect those muscles from being used for energy when the body is desperate for nutrients. The overall health aspects of the cardio etc etc
good old school debate ;)
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regarding increasing muscle/strength on a lower calories - yes it is possible.
many factors can effect the results i.e. steroids, macronutrient ratios, maintenence calories, current body fat levels, coming back from a lay off, level of calorie reduction, etc
a read a study recently that showed net body protein increased while on a protein sparring modified fast at an extremely low calorie level :o
regarding the original question i.e. 300 calories from cardio or diet - there are many factors such as those mentioned above that will dictate results.
for instance if you are just finished a bulking phase of 4000 cals a day then 300 cals less from cardio or diet wont make any difference in fat loss or muscle maintance. However if you have been dieting for a while and are already under 10%bf then the choice of diet or cardio for further calorie reductions can make a difference to bf and muscle retention.
at this time cardio would be the prefered choice for numerous reasons. i.e. cardio will increase metabolism ( not decrease it as stated above), exercise will force you to use muscles, and in turn help protect those muscles from being used for energy when the body is desperate for nutrients. The overall health aspects of the cardio etc etc
good old school debate ;)
that "study" is totally irrelevant because it was conducted on obese people who never trained before.
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What's the point of doing 30 mins of cardio to burn 300 calories, when you can just eat 300 less calories per day?
Is there any diffrence really?
They both slow your metabolism equally in the long term.
P.s Update on my Diet
So far, 4 weeks into my diet iv lost 10lbs. Very little cardio only walking :)
cite me one study that shows that cardio slows metabolism :-\
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cite me one study that shows that cardio slows metabolism :-\
are you a fucking idiot.
Cardio is used to create caloric defecit.
Caloric defecit = body metabolism slows down grudually.
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are you a fucking idiot.
Cardio is used to create caloric defecit.
Caloric defecit = body metabolism slows down grudually.
your a kind of correct but your also kind of incorrect.
every BODY has a certain levels of energy that it needs from food in order to power itself(abbreviation = BMR). that level of energy is effected by the amoutn of cells and also the rate that each cell uses energy(and the rate is mostly regulated by food intake).
lets say jon doe has a BMR of 3000 calories per day. in order to lose weight he needs to either eat less than his BMR, or he needs to increase how much energy his body uses to surpass the level of energy that he consumes.
if he chooses option A, then he will lower the amount of food intake, which will start to lower his BMR as well (BMR is regulated mostly by food intake).
if he chooses option B and start doing cardio, then his BMR is unaffected.
Now, on day one, jon doe may do 5 minutes of sprints, and this may burn up 200 calories. but this causes his cardiovascular system to enhance itself a little bit (get him in "better shape), so the next day his sprints are a little bit easier...and 5 minutes of sprints only burns up 150 calories. then the day after that only 100....etc.
Cardio wont effect BMR, but the better shape your cardio vascular system gets in (by way of increasing cardio) the more cardio youw ill have to do to burn the same amount of energy.
:)
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What's the point of doing 30 mins of cardio to burn 300 calories, when you can just eat 300 less calories per day?
Is there any diffrence really?
They both slow your metabolism equally in the long term.
P.s Update on my Diet
So far, 4 weeks into my diet iv lost 10lbs. Very little cardio only walking :)
No difference. I have been telling people this for years.
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Cardio works your most important muscle, your heart, yeah it's still more important than my other favorite muscle ;D so a bit of heart exercise is a good thing.
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cardio may be healthy fr you but so is a low calorie diet.
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Layne Norton is a smart guy but honestly, he looks like shit. If there's a juicer at the gym using a very low dosages of PEDs, has mediocre genetics but looks fucking spectacular then I'm going to listen to him. Sometimes you need to put down the beakers and test tubes and stop being a pussy, with all due respect of course. He only looks good when he's dieted down, coloured, standing in professional lighting, for no more than a single frame which is taken at an epic "MySpace" angle which would compliment anyone fabulously. That being said, lets forget about him and his following of nitwit cocksuckers. They're a bunch of straight edge emo's who need denounce anyone who uses PEDs or goes against the Wise One.
No cardio is needed, but I think it does help a lot more than just cutting calories. Do a little of both. Like others said, it does wonders for the metabolism and cardiovascular system. This is why I still do cardio primarily. Also, I can be a bit of a glutton and not have to worry so much about nutrient partitioning.
If you use thyroid medication and insulin, you can ABSOLUTELY and WITHOUT A DOUBT gain muscle and lose bodyfat. There's 24 hours in a day!!! Optimizing your body to partition nutrients to their maximum efficacy, you can lose fat in the morning through low intensity cardio, then eat an adequate amount throughout the day to become anabolic. Ta-da. It's not rocket science.
If you eat a caloric surplus there is a chance of putting on some adipose, of course. But if you want to take it to the next step, throw some ECA into the mix. If you want to use PEDs that are more effective then use clen and T3 (or just T3 like I do - I don't like fucking around with my cardiovascular health). Now top it off with a bit of timed insulin and you're golden. If you're on AAS, you should have no reason not to be pretty close to "beach-ready" all year-round.
Honestly, I'm not the smartest or most genetically gifted individual out there. But I spent a good deal of time reading, training, prepping food and eating. I don't look spectacular and I'm no scholar, but I look great and I keep an open mind. When I get back on the sauce, I will look spectacular. I've learned so much through my own little fuck ups. A lot of people just fuck up but don't learn from it...I don't know why? Even when completely natural I was able to lose fat and gain muscle. I know friends who have too. I don't know why this myth has been perpetuated to no end. It's not the most efficient way of going about things, but if you're at that awkward stage where you're 10-15% bf, can't really cut and feel small or can't really bulk and get husky... just recomp. Eat clean and do cardio, but don't shrivel up. Heck, maybe gain a pound or two of muscle. If you're on drugs, that shit should be a walk in the park!
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I’m with tbombz and DK on this matter.
Good discussion!
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I’m with tbombz and DK looking to shamefully up my post count on this matter.
Good discussion!
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cardio may be healthy fr you but so is a low calorie diet.
How low would you drop your calories to? what would be the lowest you would want to go to?
I weigh around 200lbs now and im eating 2250kcalories per day and doing 30mins slow walking and weightlifting for 1 bodypart per day (30mins low intensity), 7 days a week.
Done 5 weeks of diet now, already calories are quite low, maybe i will have to go under 2000 by the end of the diet.
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btw, 4 minutes of Tabata protocol (sprinting, burpees, whatever you want) > 30 minutes of slow steady cardio on a treadmill
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Layne Norton is a smart guy but honestly, he looks like shit.
Are you bigger than this? lol layne actually looks good in these pictures 16 week out, better than on contest day.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne29_12_big.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne29_11_big.jpg)
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How low would you drop your calories to? what would be the lowest you would want to go to?
I weigh around 200lbs now and im eating 2250kcalories per day and doing 30mins slow walking and weightlifting for 1 bodypart per day (30mins low intensity), 7 days a week.
Done 5 weeks of diet now, already calories are quite low, maybe i will have to go under 2000 by the end of the diet.
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i was using healthy as a term describing something that helps the body be able to live longer.
i think your thinking i meant healthy as "good for body composition"
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Are you bigger than this? lol layne actually looks good in these pictures 16 week out, better than on contest day.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne29_12_big.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne29_11_big.jpg)
I think he looks like shit. Mishapen parts and absolutely no flow. He's bigger than me right now by the looks of it. I've been working hardcore and visiting relatives from out of the country. I'm hitting the cardio bike everyday though and not eating any oriental food though so I'll be back on track in no time.
I will look better than him again. I know a handful of lodgers in town that look way better, just no aspirations of lifting natural or parading in a banana hammock for schmoes.
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that "study" is totally irrelevant because it was conducted on obese people who never trained before.
it seems quoting any study to you IS totally irrelevant because you lack the intelligence to comprehend them.
please explain to me why it's irrelevant ??? are they not humans ? are they not dieting ? and regarding your never trained comment ::) , how exactly does a human being who lifts weights become different from a human being who doesn't ??? is there some sort of genetic mutation that takes place ? how does the human body differentiate the weight of an olympic bar and plates from body fat weight ??? if these people are obese, its highly likely that they actually carry more muscle than you as various members here pointed out earlier.
Seriously - think and read before you type.
that study is 100% relevant.
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it seems quoting any study to you IS totally irrelevant because you lack the intelligence to comprehend them.
please explain to me why it's irrelevant ??? are they not humans ? are they not dieting ? and regarding your never trained comment ::) , how exactly does a human being who lifts weights become different from a human being who doesn't ??? is there some sort of genetic mutation that takes place ? how does the human body differentiate the weight of an olympic bar and plates from body fat weight ??? if these people are obese, its highly likely that they actually carry more muscle than you as various members here pointed out earlier.
Seriously - think and read before you type.
that study is 100% relevant.
the great FP shutting up one of the tiny tits with his great knowledge and style ;D
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the great FP shutting up one of the tiny tits with his great knowledge and style ;D
thank you my great friend.
i see you have been handling quite a few tiny tits yourself in my absense ;D
Team Nasser - getting bigger and better every day 8)
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thank you my great friend.
i see you have been handling quite a few tiny tits yourself in my absense ;D
Team Nasser - getting bigger and better every day 8)
yes boss!..
during your absence i exposed tyr as being dreadlord with unarguable proof.. he couldn't show his ass after it ;D..
i kept reminding the frustrating guy deicide that you would come soon, this fact has increased his frustration and decreased his existence here ;D..
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yes boss!..
during your absence i exposed tyr as being dreadlord with unarguable proof.. he couldn't show his ass after it ;D..
i kept reminding the frustrating guy deicide that you would come soon, this fact has increased his frustration and decreased his existence here ;D..
i saw that owning - very impressive 8)
as for deicide - he is quite pathetic.
When i left he was posting every day on why he can't diet, has shitty genetics, doesn't lift weights, women hate him, he hates women etc etc, i come back and the first post of his that i read was 'what food gives you the best shits' ???
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i saw that owning - very impressive 8)
as for deicide - he is quite pathetic.
When i left he was posting every day on why he can't diet, has shitty genetics, doesn't lift weights, women hate him, he hates women etc etc, i come back and the first post of his that i read was 'what food gives you the best shits' ???
dont forget you are part of the reason for the miserable state the poor guy has reached..
FP + owning = deicide ;D