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Title: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 18, 2009, 12:44:44 AM
Stranger - devil/satan

 'But here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then,
one may  ask,  who governs human  life and, in  general, the  whole order of
things on earth?'
     'Man governs  it himself,'  Homeless angrily hastened to reply  to this
admittedly  none-too-clear  question.  `Pardon  me,'  the stranger responded
gently, 'but in  order to  govern, one needs,  after  all, to have a precise
plan for certain, at least somewhat  decent, length of time. Allow me to ask
you, then, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity
of making a plan for at least  some ridiculously short period - well, say, a
thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow?
     `And in fact,' here the  stranger turned to Berlioz, 'imagine that you,
for  instance,  start  governing,  giving  orders to  others  and  yourself,
generally, so  to  speak, acquire  a taste for  it,  and  suddenly  you  get
...hem... hem ...  lung cancer...' -  here the foreigner smiled sweetly, and
if the thought of lung cancer gave him pleasure -  'yes, cancer' - narrowing
his eyes like a cat, he  repeated the sonorous word - 'and so your governing
is over!
     'You are no longer  interested  in anyone's fate  but  your  own.  Your
family starts lying to  you. Feeling  that something is  wrong,  you rush to
learned  doctors, then  to quacks, and sometimes to fortune-tellers as well.
Like the first,  so  the second and third are  completely senseless, as  you
understand. And it all ends tragically: a man who still  recently thought he
was governing something, suddenly winds up lying motionless in a wooden box,
and the people around him, seeing that the man lying there is no longer good
for anything, burn him in an oven.
     'And sometimes  it's  worse still: the man  has just decided  to go  to
Kislovodsk' - here the foreigner squinted  at Berlioz - 'a trifling  matter,
it seems, but even this he cannot accomplish, because suddenly, no one knows
why, he slips and falls under a tram-car! Are you going to say it was he who
governed himself that way? Would it not be more correct to think that he was
governed by someone else  entirely?' And here  the unknown man  burst into a
strange little laugh.
     Berlioz listened with great attention to the unpleasant story about the
cancer and the tram-car, and certain alarming thoughts began to torment him.
'He's  not a foreigner... He's not  a foreigner...' he thought, 'he's a
most peculiar specimen ... but, excuse me, who is he then? ...'
     You'd  like  to   smoke,  I  see?'  the  stranger   addressed  Homeless
unexpectedly. "Which kind do you prefer?'
     'What,  have you got several?' the poet, who had run out of cigarettes,
asked glumly.
     'Which do you prefer?' the stranger repeated.
     'Okay - Our Brand,' Homeless replied spitefully.
     The unknown  man immediately took  a cigarette case from his pocket and
offered it to Homeless:
     'Our Brand...'
     Editor and poet were both struck,  not so  much by  Our Brand precisely
turning up in the cigarette case, as by the cigarette case itself. It was of
huge size, made  of  pure gold, and, as it was  opened,  a  diamond triangle
flashed white and blue fire on its lid.
     Here the writers thought differently. Berlioz: 'No, a foreigner!',  and
Homeless: 'Well, devil take him, eh! ...'
     The poet and the owner of the cigarette case lit up, but the non-smoker
Berlioz declined.
     'I  must counter  him like this,' Berlioz decided, 'yes, man is mortal,
no one disputes that. But the thing is...'
     However, before he managed to utter these words, the foreigner spoke:
     'Yes, man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The worst
of it  is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's  the trick!  And
generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening.'
     `What an absurd  way  of putting the question ...' Berlioz  thought and
objected:
     'Well, there's  some exaggeration here. About  this same  evening I  do
know more or less certainly. It goes without saying, if a brick  should fall
on my head on Bronnaya. . '
     'No  brick,' the  stranger interrupted  imposingly, `will ever fall  on
anyone's head just out of  the blue.  In this particular case, I assure you,
you are not in danger of that at all. You will die a different death.'



Same enening
Berlioz,  not  stopping  to  listen   to   the  cadging   and  clowning
choirmaster, ran up to the turnstile and took hold  of it with his hand.  He
turned it and was  just about to  step across  the rails when  red and white
light  splashed  in his  face.  A  sign lit  up in  a  glass  box:  'Caution
Tram-Car!'
     And right  then this tram-car came racing along, turning down the newly
laid line from Yermolaevsky  to  Bronnaya. Having  turned, and coming to the
straight stretch, it suddenly  lit  up  inside with electricity, whined, and
put on speed.
     The prudent Berlioz, though he was standing in a safe place, decided to
retreat behind the stile, moved his hand on the crossbar, and stepped back.
     And right then his hand slipped and slid, one foot, unimpeded, as if on
ice, went  down the cobbled slope leading to the rails, the other was thrust
into the air, and Berlioz was thrown on to the rails.
     Trying to get hold  of something,  Berlioz fell  backwards, the back of
his head  lightly striking the cobbles,  and had  time to see high up -  but
whether  to  right  or  left  he no longer knew - the  gold-tinged moon.  He
managed  to  turn  on his side, at the same moment drawing  his legs  to his
stomach in a frenzied movement,  and, while turning, to make  out the  face,
completely  white  with horror, and the crimson armband of the  woman driver
bearing down on him  with irresistible force. Berlioz did not  cry  out, but
around him the whole street screamed with desperate female voices.
     The woman driver tore at  the electric brake, the car dug its nose into
the ground, then instantly jumped up, and glass flew from the windows with a
crash and a jingle. Here someone in Berlioz's brain  cried desperately: 'Can
it  be?...'  Once more, and for the  last  time, the  moon flashed,  but now
breaking to pieces, and then it became dark.
     The  tram-car went over Berlioz, and a round  dark object was thrown up
the  cobbled slope below  the fence of the Patriarch's walk.  Having  rolled
back down this slope, it went bouncing along the cobblestones of the street.
     It was the severed head of Berlioz.




Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Migs on June 18, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
cliff notes governs getbig.  try it again
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 19, 2009, 12:30:18 AM
cliff notes governs getbig.  try it again and I have a vagina
Epic attempt to sound smart in 2- 3 words.
 As long as getbig exists someone must be running or governing it as you put it. IF not you, I, some third person. There is neither logic nor a great try that none the other as someone named Cliff Notes is being that cool, nor that he's smart, or you're being living pathetic on getbig and me being a millionaire, there is nothing but idle chance. as well as you were born in a shithole, I in Russia and someone third in Zambia, someone 4'th in Bill gates family. 'm sure that twaddle you will not uderstand because.... well you're an american, don't even prove me wrong.


To think you're governing something is the pure illusion albeit a very persistant one


Questions?
 How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow?

 Man is mortal, but that is only half the trouble. Sometimes he's unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick!
Since there are lots of tough dudes or posers who think they are governing something or building their careers or something here is the question arises. What if your next kid or your 1'st is born dead or ugly or idiot is that you governed that way? Tommorow you die in a carwreck, should we think that it is you that governed yourself that way. You've come on the earth involuntarily and without an invitation. Was it you goverened your miserable self being that way? Let us know.






Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 19, 2009, 01:25:19 PM
i recommend ya read up on string theory
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 19, 2009, 11:44:20 PM
i recommend ya read up on string theory
sorry I did not understand you can u elaborate a bit more or may be say something more intelligent related to the topic
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 20, 2009, 01:19:20 AM
'It's  high
time you swore by it, since it's hanging by a hair, I can tell you.'
'You don't think it was you who hung it, Hegemon?' the prisoner asked.
'If so, you are very mistaken.'
Pilate gave a start and replied through his teeth:
'I can cut that hair.'
`In that, too, you are mistaken,' the prisoner retorted, smiling
brightly and shielding himself from the sun with his hand. 'YOU must agree
that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair?'




Thus spoke Yeshua Ha-Nozri.............
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 20, 2009, 01:29:21 AM
 And the Satan himself and none the other as the one Yeshua Ha-Nozri say that man doesn't govern anything on this planet earth................... ..............

 I'm relly astounded at all the other threads, disputing actually about nothing...

 
      '... who are you, then?'
     'I am part of that power which eternally wills evil and eternally works
good.'
     Goethe, Faust
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 20, 2009, 08:29:27 AM
sorry I did not understand you can u elaborate a bit more or may be say something more intelligent related to the topic

The Elegant Universe

just watch

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v472702sksHgKsp#

bnow ya dont even hafta read...i've provided a video format
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 20, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
The Elegant Universe

just watch

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v472702sksHgKsp#

bnow ya dont even hafta read...i've provided a video format

Can you tell us what that video all about. What does it teach. Tell us your thoughts of this before we click.
Toxic you just skipped all questions.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 20, 2009, 12:55:32 PM
Can you tell us what that video all about. What does it teach. Tell us your thoughts of this before we click.
Toxic you just skipped all questions.


that video answers it all..and i do believe what that video says...for me to type all tha would take pages

Quote
But here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then,
one may  ask,  who governs human  life and, in  general, the  whole order of
things on earth?
'
the above ws the question you asked..

the short answer is that we are not governed and are governed by chaos at the same time...see the short answer didn't make sence did it? in quantum mechanix, all possibilities r possible...but th probability of them occuring changes

watch the video
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 21, 2009, 11:44:43 AM
 It didn't make sense for me as far as I know the nature doesn't do anything in vain and there is no chaos.
You say that we are not governed does it mean we can actually govern something?
 Going back to the 1's post
 
How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity
of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a
thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow or generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening?
 
Going by the chaous theory of your friends doesn't it mean a brick can fall on your head while you're walking your dog?
 'No brick,' the SATAN interrupted imposingly, `will ever fall on
anyone's head just out of the blue. In this particular case, I assure you,
you are not in danger of that at all. You will die a different death.'
 Toxic you skipped all the questions actually. I'm deadly drunk my oversees friend.

Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 21, 2009, 11:58:37 AM
'And sometimes  it's  worse still: the man  has just decided  to go  to
Kislovodsk' - here the foreigner squinted  at Berlioz - 'a trifling  matter,
it seems, but even this he cannot accomplish, because suddenly, no one knows
why, he slips and falls under a tram-car! Are you going to say it was he who
governed himself that way? Would it not be more correct to think that he was
governed by someone else  entirely?'
Governed by chaos?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 22, 2009, 01:51:22 AM
If you're thinking you can govern your life it's the pure illusion albeit a very persistant one...Ask the Satan or Yeshua Ha-Nozri

 Toxic "The chaos is in the minds" as one russian classic said....

I'm all ears, try it again
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Joel_A on June 22, 2009, 05:08:57 AM
Is talking/responding to your own posts multiple times a symptom of lunacy?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 22, 2009, 08:13:01 AM
If you're thinking you can govern your life it's the pure illusion albeit a very persistant one...Ask the Satan or Yeshua Ha-Nozri

 Toxic "The chaos is in the minds" as one russian classic said....

I'm all ears, try it again

yeesh
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618&ei=P58_Sv_-OJC4rgLDlcSWBQ&q=Quantum+mechanics+cartoon&hl=en
i'm talking proven science here...
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 22, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
You're talking about proven science???????????
"Nothing is proved, all is permitted" Theodore Dreiser
I see you you have a slavish reverence for authorities or scientists, discovery channel, FOX tv, CNN, whatever and a complete lack of any desire for independent thought?????????????? and you just cannot explain it by yourself?????????

"Pharisaism, stupidity and arbitrariness reign not merely in merchants' houses and police stations: I see them in SCIENCE, in literature, among the young" Anton Chekhov

I repeat there is no chaos in the nature - The chaos is in the heads.
You just didn't read carefull the 1'st post and skipped all the questions which have been asked down further. It's not your fault as you speak in the USA.


To die of sunburn! Why refuse what is offered
by law! In what terms did he refuse it?'
'He said,' the guest answered, again closing his eyes, 'that he was
grateful and laid no blame for the taking of his life.'
'On whom?' Pilate asked in a hollow voice.
That he did not say, Hegemon...'
'Did he try to preach anything in the soldiers' presence?'
'No, Hegemon, he was not loquacious this time. The only thing he said
was that among human vices he considered cowardice one of the first.'

Toxicavenger or anyone else don't be a pussy or a coward and answer this

How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow or generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 23, 2009, 12:44:03 AM
Every man comes on this planet earth involuntarily and without an invitation and up at least to 15 y.o. he cannot answer quite coherently whether he's governing something on his way or not. But suddenly man is deciding that he can govern his fate and wanna become a prominent scientist for that he go to Kembridge or Oxford - you name it for the best education outhere as his (they are jewish and think they are god chosen people lol) parents ponder. But suddenly no one knows why the man dies in a car wreck/airplane crash - you name it. And it all ends tragically: a man who still recently thought he was governing something, suddenly winds up lying motionless in a wooden box, and the people around him, seeing that the man lying there is no longer good for anything, burn him in an oven.
 
 I can't stop rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

 I see some getbiggers there get hard on when hear the scientist word and even a harder hard on when hear - scientists proved/quantum mechanics/chaous theory. I tell you what - consider brand-names and labels a prejudice.

 "The cleverest of all, in my opinion, is the man who calls himself a fool at least once a month."
Fyodor Dostoevsky
 I wonder do those scientists which are getting hard on when they are proving something ask themselves whether am I a clown, dumbass or complete idiot at least once a month?????????? Do the president of the USA Barack Obama "The black assassin of the flies" call himself a fool at least once a month???? Or he's a coward to confess in it worldwide????? and cowardice was undoubtedly one of the most terrible vices. Thus spoke Yeshua Ha-Nozri. No, philosopher, I disagree with you: it is the most terrible vice!

 There are mormons on a misson walking and skipping around. Are they really thinking they are governing something or they are "the miserable human beings" can decide something or change someone's life for the better???????? Unfockingbelievable.

  THEY'RE NOT THAT SIMPLE AS THEY SEEM
THEY'VE COME TO RUSSIA WITH THE SCHEME
THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT EACH OF YOU
WOULD SAY - I'M THE MORMON AREN'T YOU?

THEY'RE GETTING PUNCHED ON EVERY STREET
THE GUYS ARE TOUGH THEY LOVE THAT BEAT
WE'RE ON A MISSION YOU HEAR THEM SAY
WE'RE GETTING KICKED EACH FRIGGIN DAY!

THEY NEITHER DRINK NOR SMOKE AT ALL
TO DIE BEING HEALTHY THAT'S THEIR GOAL
THEY PUT IT STRAIGHT HOW GOOD CAN WE GO?
BETTER THAN RUSSIANS? NEVER, HELL, NO!!!

I cannot stop laughing rolling on the floor...my rib cage hurts
Please anyone not that "somewhat stupid" can add something intelligent to the truth that hurts?????????





quantum mechanics
 :-X
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 23, 2009, 11:50:48 PM
So, then, I wanted to show you your hero. For about two thousand years he
has been sitting on this platform and sleeping, but when the full moon
comes, as you see, he is tormented by insomnia. It torments not only him,
but also his faithful guardian, the dog.
     If it is true that cowardice is the most grievous vice, then the dog at
least is not guilty of it. Storms were the only thing the brave dog feared.
Well, he who loves must share the lot of the one he loves.'
     `What is he saying?' asked  Margarita, and her perfectly calm face
clouded over with compassion.
     'He says one and the same thing,'  Woland (The Satan) replied. `He says that even
the moon gives him no peace, and that his is a bad job. That is what he
always says when he is not asleep, and when he sleeps, he dreams one and the
same thing: there is a path of moonlight, and he wants to walk down it and
talk with the prisoner Ha-Nozri, because, as he insists, he never finished
what he was saying that time, long  ago, on the fourteenth day of the spring
month of Nisan. But, alas, for some reason he never manages to get on to
this path, and no one comes to  him. Then there's no help for it, he must
talk to himself. However, one does need some diversity, and to his talk
about the moon he often adds that of all things in the world, he most hates
his immortality and his unheard-of fame. He maintains that he would
willingly exchange his lot for that of the ragged tramp Matthew Levi.'
     `Twelve thousand moons for one moon long ago, isn't that too much?'
asked Margarita.
     `Repeating  the story with  Frieda?' said Woland (The Satan). 'But don't trouble
yourself here, Margarita. Everything will turn out right, the world is built
on that.'
 'Let him go!' Margarita suddenly cried piercingly, as she had cried
once as a witch, and at this cry a stone fell somewhere in the mountains and
tumbled down the ledges into the abyss, filling the mountains with rumbling.
But Margarita could not have said whether it was the rumbling of its fall or
the rumbling of satanic  laughter. In any case, Woland was  laughing as he
glanced at Margarita and said:
     'Don't shout in the mountains, he's accustomed to avalanches anyway,
and it won't rouse him. You don't  need to ask for him,  Margarita, because
the one he so yearns to talk with has already asked for him.'

STeLLa ;) :P :-[
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: SamoanIrishman on June 24, 2009, 08:02:09 AM
This has got to be the most long winded, boring post ever. :-\
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 24, 2009, 08:36:43 AM
Which one and why? Elaborate from your stand point of view
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: SamoanIrishman on June 24, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
There are some books that refuse to be written. They stand their ground year after year and will not be persuaded. It isn't because the book is not there and worth being written -- it is only because the right form of the story does not present itself. There is only one right form for a story and if you fail to find that form the story will not tell itself.

I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English -  Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them - then the rest will be valuable. They weaken when they are close together. They give strength when they are wide apart. An adjective habit, or a wordy, diffuse, flowery habit, once fastened upon a person, is as hard to get rid of as any other vice.

To get the right word in the right place is a rare achievement. To condense the diffused light of a page of thought into the luminous flash of a single sentence, is worthy to rank as a prize composition just by itself...Anybody can have ideas--the difficulty is to express them without squandering a quire of paper on an idea that ought to be reduced to one glittering paragraph.

ie -on your next post..make it interesting, fun to read and short to encourage other to actually WANT to read it.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 24, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
There are some books that refuse to be written. They stand their ground year after year and will not be persuaded. It isn't because the book is not there and worth being written -- it is only because the right form of the story does not present itself. There is only one right form for a story and if you fail to find that form the story will not tell itself.

I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English -  Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them - then the rest will be valuable. They weaken when they are close together. They give strength when they are wide apart. An adjective habit, or a wordy, diffuse, flowery habit, once fastened upon a person, is as hard to get rid of as any other vice.

To get the right word in the right place is a rare achievement. To condense the diffused light of a page of thought into the luminous flash of a single sentence, is worthy to rank as a prize composition just by itself...Anybody can have ideas--the difficulty is to express them without squandering a quire of paper on an idea that ought to be reduced to one glittering paragraph.

ie -on your next post..make it interesting, fun to read and short to encourage other to actually WANT to read it.


There are people with exceptional intelligence who do not grasp many things which are understood even by some stupid people. Everything abstract, everything belonging to the domain of thought and feeling, are to them boring and incomprehensible. In fact, it's the natural human lot: if one is not mistaken in the main, one is mistaken in the details. Nobody knows the real truth and we are not governing anything would it not be more correct to think that we are governed by someone else entirely - i.e. GOD.


 Now kindly consider the question -
 If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: big L dawg on June 24, 2009, 01:11:20 PM
There are people with exceptional intelligence who do not grasp many things which are understood even by some stupid people. Everything abstract, everything belonging to the domain of thought and feeling, are to them boring and incomprehensible. In fact, it's the natural human lot: if one is not mistaken in the main, one is mistaken in the details. Nobody knows the real truth and we are not governing anything would it not be more correct to think that we are governed by someone else entirely - i.e. GOD.


 Now kindly consider the question -
 If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


I think you've drank to much Jesus juice bro.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: SamoanIrishman on June 24, 2009, 02:38:51 PM
There are people with exceptional intelligence who do not grasp many things which are understood even by some stupid people. Everything abstract, everything belonging to the domain of thought and feeling, are to them boring and incomprehensible. In fact, it's the natural human lot: if one is not mistaken in the main, one is mistaken in the details. Nobody knows the real truth and we are not governing anything would it not be more correct to think that we are governed by someone else entirely - i.e. GOD.


 Now kindly consider the question -
 If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


I never implied that I disagree with this though process, in fact I like how your first paragraph is written. I believe in God and all he purposes...all I was saying is sometimes you'll have to shorten ..and even sometime "dumb it down" if you want everyone to read a post.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 24, 2009, 10:06:41 PM
I never implied that I disagree with this. I believe in God

Yeah Irish bandit.

 There are just people not weighed down by any stores of knowledge, but only lightly sprinkled with information of a sort Discovery channel/Google/Animal planet or Hollywood flicks

 In the first place, they say that suffering leads man to perfection; and in the second, if mankind really learns to alleviate its sufferings with pills and drops, it will completely abandon religion and philosophy, in which it has hitherto found not merely protection from all sorts of trouble, but even happiness.

Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Necrosis on June 25, 2009, 01:19:08 PM
Yeah Irish bandit.

 There are just people not weighed down by any stores of knowledge, but only lightly sprinkled with information of a sort Discovery channel/Google/Animal planet or Hollywood flicks

 In the first place, they say that suffering leads man to perfection; and in the second, if mankind really learns to alleviate its sufferings with pills and drops, it will completely abandon religion and philosophy, in which it has hitherto found not merely protection from all sorts of trouble, but even happiness.



if you are trying to sound intelligent you're failing terribly, you sound stupid.

why does anything have to be goverened? there is no axiom to base the basic assumption that goverining is required in a system.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: SamoanIrishman on June 25, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
I'd have to agree...

for example using the word "hitherto", while in the correct context...who really uses that word except those who are trying to use "big words" to make us think they are smart, witty and edjumacated.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 26, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
why does anything have to be goverened? there is no axiom to base the basic assumption that goverining is required in a system.

You ask why does anything have to be goverened? There is no chaos in the nature or in the universe and if there is no chaos one must agree there is a governing. Though it's a good question you piss drinker that's the question of the other thread. Does god exist in your imagination? Your imagination a part of the nature so he exists in the nature.


  If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


 As of yet everyone of you avoided the question and just out of the simple cowardice. If I do not reply to the post it doesn't mean - I don't have anything to say nor anyone would want to hear my opinion, it means I will not be copying and pasting what has been already written hitherto. If someone posts something really intelligent that would be cool. You didn't read carefully and didn't give a thought - your fault.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Alex23 on June 26, 2009, 12:17:40 AM
FFS, lots of time wasted on here ::)
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 26, 2009, 01:52:26 AM
You ask why does anything have to be goverened? There is no chaos in the nature or in the universe and if there is no chaos one must agree there is a governing. Though it's a good question you piss drinker that's the question of the other thread. Does god exist in your imagination? Your imagination a part of the nature so he exists in the nature.


  If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


 As of yet everyone of you avoided the question and just out of the simple cowardice. If I do not reply to the post it doesn't mean - I don't have anything to say nor anyone would want to hear my opinion, it means I will not be copying and pasting what has been already written hitherto. If someone posts something really intelligent that would be cool. You didn't read carefully and didn't give a thought - your fault.

There is massive chaos everywhere and as Toxic described on the atomic scale.

Natural selection governs EVERY aspect of life.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 26, 2009, 11:56:16 AM
There is massive chaos everywhere and as Toxic described on the atomic scale.

Natural selection governs EVERY aspect of life.


  In my city sniper shot the wrong man and the one he was going to kill stood back to back to the wrongly shot man. What was it? Chaos, quantum mecanics, accident, general selection or the FATE for the both failed or stupid killer and soon be dead man?> I guess that has been killed guy has had some plans on the evening and he thought he was governing something on his way. I can bring you a lot and +1 situation when the general selection theory fails.
 Going by the general selection theory may I will begin sitting at home and waitinng once I become as prominent as MJ and be moon walkin' in a couple of months as the general selection govern something?
 I answered you that you posted something new to the discussion and I revere your opinion. Still every one has avoided the simple question. One more time Mikhail Bulgakov was right - the chaos is in the heads.........
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: SamoanIrishman on June 26, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
....and I'm done with this thread.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: big L dawg on June 26, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
....and I'm done with this thread.

x2 this dude takes the cake on Getbig loonys...and thats sayin something.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Deicide on June 26, 2009, 06:31:59 PM
Yeah Irish bandit.

 There are just people not weighed down by any stores of knowledge, but only lightly sprinkled with information of a sort Discovery channel/Google/Animal planet or Hollywood flicks

 In the first place, they say that suffering leads man to perfection; and in the second, if mankind really learns to alleviate its sufferings with pills and drops, it will completely abandon religion and philosophy, in which it has hitherto found not merely protection from all sorts of trouble, but even happiness.



Religion=genetic deficiency of man
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 28, 2009, 12:32:32 AM
Religion=genetic deficiency of man


 Interesting point? Was it you governed yourself to have been born with genetic deficiency or you were governed by someone else entirely? I see you insist you were born with horrible genetics. Every one still brought up some nonsense only just to abstain from answering the question and confess that he's a mortal, or better say unexpectedly mortal. Could anyone have been born just out of pile of shitgoing by the chaos theory. In quantum mechaniocs where all possibilities are possible...but the probability of them occuring changes. But to have been born from pile of shit is impossible, it has to be a human being. There 7 billion of human beings on the planet earth (on June 29'th 2009) and we do not decide where and from whom we are born. You are goverened from the moment you saw the light.
 Now let's confess that you Deicide in particular were born into this world without your permission and without invitation. You didn't decide for yourself and couldn't coherently tell us your 1'st 15 - 20 years of living what the hell for you've come on this planet earth as your parents guided and took care of each of your step. You never know when you die, there is the trick. No one of us knows when each of us will die. And quantum mechanics no natural selection don't do anything with it.
 For example I see people chuckle at Connie Roleman when he thanks GOD, he always mentions him. never heard him mention quantum mecahnics, the teh the an the a teh a the chaos theory nor natural selection.


Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Deicide on June 28, 2009, 02:43:35 AM

 Interesting point? Was it you governed yourself to have been born with genetic deficiency or you were governed by someone else entirely? I see you insist you were born with horrible genetics. Every one still brought up some nonsense only just to abstain from answering the question and confess that he's a mortal, or better say unexpectedly mortal. Could anyone have been born just out of pile of shitgoing by the chaos theory. In quantum mechaniocs where all possibilities are possible...but the probability of them occuring changes. But to have been born from pile of shit is impossible, it has to be a human being. There 7 billion of human beings on the planet earth (on June 29'th 2009) and we do not decide where and from whom we are born. You are goverened from the moment you saw the light.
 Now let's confess that you Deicide in particular were born into this world without your permission and without invitation. You didn't decide for yourself and couldn't coherently tell us your 1'st 15 - 20 years of living what the hell for you've come on this planet earth as your parents guided and took care of each of your step. You never know when you die, there is the trick. No one of us knows when each of us will die. And quantum mechanics no natural selection don't do anything with it.
 For example I see people chuckle at Connie Roleman when he thanks GOD, he always mentions him. never heard him mention quantum mecahnics, the teh the an the a teh a the chaos theory nor natural selection.




Read a book about evolution...
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 28, 2009, 08:07:36 AM
Read a book about evolution...

 A process which led from the amoeba to man appeared to the philosophers to be obviously a progress though whether the amoeba would agree with this opinion is not known.

  "Flies, for example, know nothing of science, nor evolution, nor the theory of chaos, nor the quantum mechanics, I observe, "but what of that?"
 Up to 10 yo you're as if the fly, speaking frankly know nothing. Up to 20 yo you cannot answer coherently whether you govern your way or not as the prudent parents take care of your ass. Suddenly you decide you can govern something and you have a plan but it all ends tragically and you unexpectedly die. And you end up as that fly who's been smashed by none the other as someone named BARACK OBAMA. You've started as the fly and ended up as the fly - Excellent!!! And you thought you were governing something, you thought you were the shit and there is no god.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Necrosis on June 28, 2009, 07:53:00 PM
You ask why does anything have to be goverened? There is no chaos in the nature or in the universe and if there is no chaos one must agree there is a governing. Though it's a good question you piss drinker that's the question of the other thread. Does god exist in your imagination? Your imagination a part of the nature so he exists in the nature.


  If there is no God, then, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth? IF you think you decide or govern your fate may I ask - how you can govern if you are not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - say, a thousand years - but you cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening?


 As of yet everyone of you avoided the question and just out of the simple cowardice. If I do not reply to the post it doesn't mean - I don't have anything to say nor anyone would want to hear my opinion, it means I will not be copying and pasting what has been already written hitherto. If someone posts something really intelligent that would be cool. You didn't read carefully and didn't give a thought - your fault.


lmao at the piss drinker comment. what is your proof that there is no chaos? what do you know of chaos theory.

so you form a a dichotomy chaos vs governing and eliminate any possibility of a continuim of both, basically forming a false dichotomy that has no real presuppositions that can be relied on.

i would like to apologize if my post is off as im totally wacked on sleeping pills
goodnight
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: MMC78 on June 28, 2009, 08:10:37 PM

  In my city sniper shot the wrong man and the one he was going to kill stood back to back to the wrongly shot man. What was it? Chaos, quantum mecanics, accident, general selection or the FATE for the both failed or stupid killer and soon be dead man?> I guess that has been killed guy has had some plans on the evening and he thought he was governing something on his way. I can bring you a lot and +1 situation when the general selection theory fails.
 Going by the general selection theory may I will begin sitting at home and waitinng once I become as prominent as MJ and be moon walkin' in a couple of months as the general selection govern something?
 I answered you that you posted something new to the discussion and I revere your opinion. Still every one has avoided the simple question. One more time Mikhail Bulgakov was right - the chaos is in the heads.........

This is verbal diarrhea.  Did you type this in a sound state of mind?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 28, 2009, 09:15:36 PM


Toxicavenger or anyone else don't be a pussy or a coward and answer this

How man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow or generally he's unable to say what he's going to do this same evening?

ok i'll Answer this scientifically....the probability of me going to work tomorrow is very high
the probability of god actually not being shy and showing face tomorrow...nil!
wanna bet?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 28, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
also..even consciousness has a certain level of scientific uncertanity...


ABSTRACT
Features of consciousness difficult to understand in terms of conventional neuroscience have evoked application of quantum theory, which describes the fundamental behavior of matter and energy. In this paper we propose that aspects of quantum theory (e.g. quantum coherence) and of a newly proposed physical phenomenon of quantum wave function "self-collapse"(objective reduction: OR -Penrose, 1994) are essential for consciousness, and occur in cytoskeletal microtubules and other structures within each of the brain's neurons.



http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/orchOR.html

recommended reading "the emperors new mind" by roger penrose
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 29, 2009, 10:46:42 AM
ok i'll Answer this scientifically....the probability of me going to work tomorrow is very high
the probability of god actually not being shy and showing face tomorrow...nil!
wanna bet?

 There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see. If you suddenly die tomorrow or get locked for 31 years and no more posts on getbig no more work in macdonalds' and stuff should we think on here it's you governed yourself that way or u were governed by God/Satan/Quantum mechanics/Chaos/Evolution? The president Kennedy thought he was heading or driven somewhere, had had some speech to speak that evening or something as you do thinking the probability of you going to work tomorow is very high. but what of that? Does it change anything?

 We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us or better say however much you knock at nature's door, it will never answer you in comprehensible words whether it's 0.01 or 0.0000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 + plus 374945959595959594030303 03 + 37373733737 + of getbig pages format is not known. Ask yourself whether we are not the experiment of the nature and we all can be terminated as quick as you will not even realise anything. Remember you were governed from the moment you saw the light and had had no knoledge of the world as if the fly or amoeba. The god is being love. Be considerate of every human being, Barack Obama or Dmitry Medvedev is no authority and are no better and no worser the human being's as some bum's on the street. Each of us has come on this planet earth and the world we see without our permission or invitation and no one of us know when each of us die and what death. All our life is being governed from the begining to an end.

"All authority is violence over people, and that a time will come when there will be no authority of the Caesars, nor any other authority. Man will pass into the kingdom of truth and justice, where generally there will be no need for any authority." - Yeshua Ha-Nozri or better known as Jesus Christ.............

You get a boner with Oxford dimploma on the hands and you think you're an authority and can govern something. You're not right bud lol

 And finally you didn't answer the question my friend and I will read the link you provided,.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 29, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see. If you suddenly die tomorrow or get locked for 31 years and no more posts on getbig no more work in macdonalds' and stuff should we think on here it's you governed yourself that way or u were governed by God/Satan/Quantum mechanics/Chaos/Evolution? The president Kennedy thought he was heading or driven somewhere, had had some speech to speak that evening or something as you do thinking the probability of you going to work tomorow is very high. but what of that? Does it change anything?

 We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us or better say however much you knock at nature's door, it will never answer you in comprehensible words whether it's 0.01 or 0.0000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 + plus 374945959595959594030303 03 + 37373733737 + of getbig pages format is not known. Ask yourself whether we are not the experiment of the nature and we all can be terminated as quick as you will not even realise anything. Remember you were governed from the moment you saw the light and had had no knoledge of the world as if the fly or amoeba. The god is being love. Be considerate of every human being, Barack Obama or Dmitry Medvedev is no authority and are no better and no worser the human being's as some bum's on the street. Each of us has come on this planet earth and the world we see without our permission or invitation and no one of us know when each of us die and what death. All our life is being governed from the begining to an end.

"All authority is violence over people, and that a time will come when there will be no authority of the Caesars, nor any other authority. Man will pass into the kingdom of truth and justice, where generally there will be no need for any authority." - Yeshua Ha-Nozri or better known as Jesus Christ.............

You get a boner with Oxford dimploma on the hands and you think you're an authority and can govern something. You're not right bud lol

 And finally you didn't answer the question my friend and I will read the link you provided,.


sigh..where do i start with this? First..why do religious people always use lots n lots of words to say absolutely nothing that cant be said in one line, henseforth the paradigm " i'm right...you wait and see i'm right"  :-\ Now..we DO know quite a bit about the nature of things. However i dont claim to be an authority over anything. That is highly improbable (even in quantum mechanics to know something absolutely is VERY IMPROBABLE..see i didn't say impossible.) Strictly speaking , in the string theory world we exist in multiple universes where every possibility is possible, although some possibilities are more probable than others. So as i write this responce is there a possibility of another toxic playing the banjo in the nude on mars. Yes the possibility exists but the probability of such an event occurring is very improbable.
So taking that a step further, can say that YES there is a possibility of a god existing? Well yes again, however do we know that we live in a universe (remember there r many universes) where there is a god?
well we dont know yet but its highly improbable cause we have yet to see evidence of a god. If i haven't succeeded in making my point now...i dont know how.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-1.html    <- brane theory article from space.com

Video --> the elegant universe...its a nova show that aired a while back on multiple universes and string theory  

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1220029554914167356&ei=sR5JSprnOJGYqwLsuOiSBg&q=elegant+universe&hl=en
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 30, 2009, 05:28:12 AM
sigh..where do i start with this? First..why do religious people always use lots n lots of words to say absolutely nothing that cant be said in one line, henseforth the paradigm " i'm right...you wait and see i'm right"  :-\ Now..we DO know quite a bit about the nature of things. However i dont claim to be an authority over anything. That is highly improbable (even in quantum mechanics to know something absolutely is VERY IMPROBABLE..see i didn't say impossible.) Strictly speaking , in the string theory world we exist in multiple universes where every possibility is possible, although some possibilities are more probable than others. So as i write this responce is there a possibility of another toxic playing the banjo in the nude on mars. Yes the possibility exists but the probability of such an event occurring is very improbable.
So taking that a step further, can say that YES there is a possibility of a god existing? Well yes again, however do we know that we live in a universe (remember there r many universes) where there is a god?
well we dont know yet but its highly improbable cause we have yet to see evidence of a god. If i haven't succeeded in making my point now...i dont know how.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-1.html    <- brane theory article from space.com

Video --> the elegant universe...its a nova show that aired a while back on multiple universes and string theory  

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1220029554914167356&ei=sR5JSprnOJGYqwLsuOiSBg&q=elegant+universe&hl=en


 Yo mama my overseas interlocutor. You have imagined yourself i.e. Toxic being playing the banjo in nude on mars while typing that responce. So what, I imagine myself being playing the russian roulette with you on Venus. Your imagination is a part of the nature so everything you could of imagined exists in the nature. As the science and your Excellency the faithful disciple of it explain - the possibility exists but the probability of such an event occurring is very improbable.

 Now about GOD. Finally you say - "we have yet to see evidence of a god."
 
 As been already said the myriad of times Each of us has come on this planet earth without our permission nor invitation and no one of us knows when each of us dies and what death, we are all unexpectedly mortal. All our life is being governed from the start to the finish. Now you're thinking you can govern some things on earth or your fate and you have yet to see evidence of a god and since you cannot see him you're thinking you can govern your fate. Excuse me but your fate and lot was already governed and decided.

 :)
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Nordic Superman on June 30, 2009, 06:20:59 AM
As been already said the myriad of times Each of us has come on this planet earth without our permission nor invitation and no one of us knows when each of us dies and what death, we are all unexpectedly mortal. All our life is being governed from the start to the finish. Now you're thinking you can govern some things on earth or your fate and you have yet to see evidence of a god and since you cannot see him you're thinking you can govern your fate. Excuse me but your fate and lot was already governed and decided.

 :)

Drivel master, mortality is to be expected from a system like natural selection. For if there was no turn over of organisms there would be no change.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 30, 2009, 07:31:54 AM
Drivel master, mortality is to be expected from a system like natural selection. For if there was no turn over of organisms there would be no change.

EXACTLY.....entropy(disorder) in a given system always increases...its the second law of thermodynamics my mang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

so death is to be expected...its the law of physics..ya never see a broken glass raise off the floor and reassemble itself now do ya

if it did..i'd believe in god  :D
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 30, 2009, 08:54:47 AM
Drivel master, mortality is to be expected from a system like natural selection. For if there was no turn over of organisms there would be no change.

So what does it prove Nordic Spermaman? There were/are small kids, for example, who died very young and knew nothing of turn over of organisms, nor natural selection, nor that actually the death is should be expected, they would love to but they are suddenly dead.

 You two scientist wannabe's who cannot grasp the simplest things  :-X death does not concern you, because as long as you exist, death is not here. And when it does come, you no longer exist. It's always unexpected.

 Hey Toxic I could ship you that thing people smoke in there. When you smoked it and look at the broken glass it is always raising off the floor and reassembling itself. YA YA?

Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 30, 2009, 09:08:43 AM
So what does it prove Nordic Spermaman? There were/are small kids, for example, who died very young and knew nothing of turn over of organisms, nor natural selection, nor that actually the death is should be expected, they would love to but they are suddenly dead.
 You two scientist wannabe's who cannot grasp the simplest things  :-X death does not concern you, because as long as you exist, death is not here. And when it does come, you no longer exist. It's always unexpected.
 Hey Toxic I could ship you that thing people smoke in there. When you smoked it and look at the broken glass it is always raising off the floor and reassembling itself. YA YA?
i am not a scientist but i try to look at stuff objectively...if i didn't i'd be a muslim coming from a muslim family..
and lookinng at stuff objectively..i just cannot believe in an all powerfull magical being that never shows itself..

i might as well believe in He-man!
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on June 30, 2009, 10:07:21 AM
i am not a scientist but i try to look at stuff objectively...if i didn't i'd be a muslim coming from a muslim family..
and lookinng at stuff objectively..i just cannot believe in an all powerfull magical being that never shows itself..

i might as well believe in He-man!


I have a very close friend, he's a muslim. We know each other for 8+ years I think and we've been to different situations and I will not say a single bad word about him. I ain't muslim if it matters anything but I think I guess what you've implied.

 Even though that you are buldging your eyes out trying to look at stuff objectively certain alarming thoughts should begin to torment you.
 Why he should be even showing himself, you might as well do want the aliens would have showed theirselves but what of that? You might as well would have wanted some $$$ billion on your bank account and don't go on your work tommorow rather than to see someone they call GOD. Be objective my friend.

Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 30, 2009, 11:21:18 AM
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I have a very close friend, he's a muslim. We know each other for 8+ years I think and we've been to different situations and I will not say a single bad word about him. I ain't muslim if it matters anything but I think I guess what you've implied.
nope...you think wrong of my implications...i back my muslim parents on here every chance i get...ask nord..ask stella..i think Islam is a sound religion...so is christianity..


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Even though that you are buldging your eyes out trying to look at stuff objectively certain alarming thoughts should begin to torment you.

they dont
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Why he should be even showing himself, you might as well do want the aliens would have showed theirselves but what of that? You might as well would have wanted some $$$ billion on your bank account and don't go on your work tommorow rather than to see someone they call GOD. Be objective my friend.
if he showed himself..crime would drop drastically...and there would be no athiests...simple

btw you said HIMSELF...hense ..so did i...but cant god be a woman?


Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Nordic Superman on July 01, 2009, 01:10:19 AM
So what does it prove Nordic Spermaman? There were/are small kids, for example, who died very young and knew nothing of turn over of organisms, nor natural selection, nor that actually the death is should be expected, they would love to but they are suddenly dead.

So what you're saying is you're not intelligent enough to understand Darwinian natural selection; you try to bypass this by speaking like some fool with ideas of grandeur.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 01, 2009, 11:24:28 AM



if he showed himself..crime would drop drastically...and there would be no athiests...simple

Kindly consider the question: what would your good do if evil did not exist, and what would the earth look like if shadows disappeared from it?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 01, 2009, 11:32:34 AM
So what you're saying is you're not intelligent enough to understand Darwinian natural selection; you try to bypass this by speaking like some fool with ideas of grandeur.


"I love fools' experiments. I am always making them." - Charles Darwin
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 02, 2009, 11:22:18 AM
 and again

 since there is no god, but a natural selection governs human life, those doctors who killed MJ now gonna say, since we do not govern a shit it's not our fault but the natural selection, no crime no time my man.
 :-X
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 02, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
Kindly consider the question: what would your good do if evil did not exist, and what would the earth look like if shadows disappeared from it?


it'd be heaven!  8)
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: big L dawg on July 02, 2009, 07:54:05 PM
it'd be heaven!  8)

don't encourage him this thread is 2 pages to long.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 02, 2009, 08:00:48 PM
don't encourage him this thread is 2 pages to long.


lol..k i'll stop
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 03, 2009, 04:06:52 AM
it'd be heaven!  8)
Since everyone heard more or less of heaven may I ask you why there is so much evil? That girl who remained alive in airplane crash unlike those 100 + people who got suddenly dead is that good or evil for her? Since you started speaking like religious people, what do you know of heaven and hell, enlighten us... :-X
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Nordic Superman on July 03, 2009, 05:42:30 AM
"I love fools' experiments. I am always making them." - Charles Darwin

Wow, another display of ignorance and stupidity.

Since everyone heard more or less of heaven may I ask you why there is so much evil? That girl who remained alive in airplane crash unlike those 100 + people who got suddenly dead is that good or evil for her? Since you started speaking like religious people, what do you know of heaven and hell, enlighten us... :-X

Evil is a human invention. A tiger killing a monkey isn't evil; it's survival. But hope is lost with people lacking intelligence like your good self.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 03, 2009, 07:38:59 AM
Since everyone heard more or less of heaven may I ask you why there is so much evil?

1) i ws being facetious
2) there is no god..hense so much evil
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Nordic Superman on July 03, 2009, 12:07:14 PM
1) i ws being facetious
2) there is no god..hense so much evil

The only evil on this planet is from the hands of humans.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Alex23 on July 03, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
cliff notes governs getbig.  try it again

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 03, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
The only evil on this planet is from the hands of humans.

agree...and even that can be explained away by "an increase in entopry" :D

its is the natural order of things to go from a state of order to a state of disorder
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 04, 2009, 08:58:37 AM
Evil is a human invention. A tiger killing a monkey isn't evil; it's survival. But hope is lost with people lacking intelligence like your good self.

 Good as well I may observe, but what of that? An aisteroid killing everything on the planet is it survival, good or bad?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 04, 2009, 08:59:44 AM
2) there is no god..hense so much evil

 He doesn't need to be showing himself off. If there is no God, then, the question still remains, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?'
Either something new or copy and paste
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 04, 2009, 09:17:09 AM

 
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He doesn't need to be showing himself off.

well now you r speaking for god??lol...and if thats true he miiight wanna make an apperance...lotsa suffering going on around the world for god to sleep in like a high skool drunk


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If there is no God, then, the question still remains, who governs human life


why do you think human life is governed? its not
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: andreisdaman on July 04, 2009, 03:54:11 PM
Bump
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 05, 2009, 05:44:52 AM
 
lotsa suffering going on around the world for god to sleep in like a high skool drunk

 2 min read Giving it a thought (If you have brain) there is an answear

The man's  sufferings were so great that at times he  began  talking to
himself.
     'Oh, fool  that I am ...' he muttered, swaying on the stone in the pain
of his heart and clawing  his swarthy chest with his nails. 'Fool, senseless
woman, coward! I'm not a man, I'm carrion!'
     He  would fall silent,  hang  his head, then,  after drinking some warm
water from a wooden flask, he would revive again and clutch now at the knife
hidden on his chest under the tallith,  now at the  piece of parchment lying
before him on the stone next to a stylus and a pot of ink.
     On this parchment some notes had already been scribbled:
     The minutes run on, and I,  Matthew Levi, am here on Bald Mountain, and
still no death!'
     Further:
     The sun is sinking, but no death.'
     Now Matthew Levi wrote hopelessly with the sharp stylus:
     'God! Why are you angry with him? Send him death.'
     Having written this, he sobbed tearlessly and again  wounded  his chest
with his nails.
     The reason for Levi's despair lay  in the terrible misfortune  that had
befallen Yeshua and him and, besides that, in the grave error that he, Levi,
in his  own opinion, had committed.  Two days earlier,  Yeshua and  Levi had
been in Bethphage near Yershalaim, where they had visited a certain gardener
who liked Yeshua's preaching very much. The two visitors had spent the whole
morning  working in  the garden,  helping their  host, and planned to go  to
Yershalaim towards evening when it cooled off. But Yeshua began to hurry for
some reason, said he had urgent business in  the city, and left alone around
noontime. Here  lay Matthew Levi's first error. Why, why had he let  him  go
alone!
     Nor was Matthew Levi to go to Yershalaim that evening. He was struck by
some unexpected and  terrible ailment. He began to shake, his whole body was
filled with  fire, his teeth chattered,  and he kept asking to drink all the
time.
     He  could  not go  anywhere.  He collapsed  on  a horse  blanket in the
gardener's shed and lay there till dawn on Friday, when the illness released
Levi as unexpectedly as it had fallen upon him. Though he was still weak and
his legs  trembled,  he  took  leave  of  his  host and,  oppressed  by some
foreboding  of  disaster, went  to  Yershalaim.  There he  learned that  his
foreboding  had not deceived him  - the  disaster occurred. Levi was  in the
crowd and heard the procurator announce the sentence.
     When the  condemned men were led off to the mountain, Matthew  Levi ran
alongside the file in the crowd of the curious, trying to let Yeshua know in
some inconspicuous way that at least  he, Levi, was there with him,  that he
had  not abandoned him  on  his last  journey, and  that he was praying that
death would overtake Yeshua as soon as possible. But Yeshua, who was looking
into  the distance towards where  he  was being taken, of course did not see
Levi.
     And  then, when the procession  had  gone  about a  half-mile along the
road,  a  simple and  ingenious thought  dawned  on  Matthew,  who was being
jostled by the crowd just next to the file, and in his excitement he at once
showered himself with curses for  not having thought of it earlier. The file
of  soldiers  was not  solid,  there were  spaces between them. Given  great
dexterity  and a precise calculation, one could  bend down, slip between two
legionaries, make it  to the cart and jump  into it.  Then Yeshua  would  be
saved from suffering.
     One instant  would be enough  to stab Yeshua in the back with a  knife,
crying to  him:  'Yeshua!  I save you  and go  with  you! I,  Matthew,  your
faithful and only disciple!'
     And if God granted him one more free instant,  he would also have  time
to stab himself and avoid death on a post. This last, however, was of little
interest  to Levi, the  former tax collector. He was  indifferent to how  he
died. He wanted one thing, that Yeshua,  who had never  in his life done the
least evil to anyone, should escape torture.
     The plan was a very  good one, but the fact of the matter was that Levi
had no knife with him. Nor did he have a single piece of money.
     Furious  with himself,  Levi got out of the crowd and  ran  back to the
city.  A  single  feverish  thought was leaping in his burning head: how  to
procure a  knife  there in  the city,  in any way possible, and have time to
overtake the procession.
     He  ran up  to the city gate,  manoeuvring amid the throng of  caravans
being sucked  into the city, and saw to his  left the open door  of a little
shop  where bread  was sold. Breathing hard after running down  the scorched
road, Levi got control of  himself, entered the shop  very sedately, greeted
the woman behind the counter, asked her to take the top loaf from the shelf,
which for some  reason he liked better than the  others, and when she turned
around, silently  and quickly  took from the counter that than  which  there
could  be nothing better  - a long, razor-sharp bread knife  -  and  at once
dashed out of the shop.
     A few moments later he  was again on the Jaffa road. But the procession
was no longer in sight. He  ran. At times  he had to  drop down right in the
dust and lie motionless to recover his breath. And so he would lie there, to
the astonishment of people riding on mules or walking on foot to Yershalaim.
     He would lie listening to  his heart pounding not only in his chest but
in his head and ears. Having recovered his breath a little, he would jump up
and continue running,  but  ever slower and  slower. When he finally  caught
sight of the long procession raising dust in the distance, it was already at
the foot of the hill.
     'Oh, God! ...' Levi moaned, realizing that he was going to be too late.
And he was too late.
     When the fourth  hour of the  execution  had gone  by, Levi's  torments
reached  their  highest degree and he fell into a  rage. Getting up from the
stone, he flung to the ground the stolen knife -  stolen in vain, as he  now
thought - crushed the flask with his foot, depriving himself of water, threw
off his kefia, seized his thin hair, and began cursing himself.
     He cursed himself,  calling  out meaningless  words,  growled and spat,
abused his father and mother for bringing a fool into the world.
     Seeing  that  curses  and  abuse  had no  effect  and  nothing  in  the
sun-scorched place was changed by them, he  clenched  his  dry fists, raised
them,  squinting, to the  sky, to  the sun  that  was  sliding  ever  lower,
lengthening the shadows  and  going  to  fall  into the  Mediterranean,  and
demanded  an immediate miracle from God. He demanded  that God  at once send
Yeshua death.
     Opening his eyes, he became convinced that  everything  on the hill was
unchanged, except that the blazing spots on the centurion's  chest  had gone
out. The sun was  sending  its rays into the backs of the executed men,  who
were facing Yershalaim. Then Levi shouted:
     'I curse you. God!'
     In a  rasping voice he shouted that he was convinced of God's injustice
and did not intend to believe in him any longer.
     You  are  deaf!'  growled Levi. `If  you were not deaf,  you would have
heard me and killed him straight away!'
     Shutting his eyes, Levi waited for  the fire that  would  fall from the
sky and strike him instead. This did  not happen, and  Levi, without opening
his eyes,  went on shouting offensive and  sarcastic things at  the sky.  He
shouted about his total disappointment,  about  the existence of other  gods
and religions. Yes, another god  would not  have allowed it, he  would never
have allowed a man like Yeshua to be burnt by the sun on a post.
     'I  was mistaken!' Levi cried in a completely hoarse voice. 'You are  a
god  of evil! Or are your eyes  completely clouded by smoke from the  temple
censers,  and  have  your ears ceased to  hear anything but  the  trumpeting
noises of the priests? You are not  an almighty god! You  are a black god! I
curse you, god of robbers, their soul and their protector!'
     Here  something blew  into  the face of the former  tax collector,  and
something rustled under his feet. It blew once more,  and  then, opening his
eyes,  Levi saw that, either under  the influence of his curses, or owing to
other reasons, everything in the world was changed......
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 05, 2009, 05:45:43 AM
 why do you think human life is governed? its not

 Before you would think whether the human life is goverened or not, think about yourself in particular. As it's been already said, you've come on this planet Earth involuntarily and without invitation or your permisson, you weren't goverened who your parents are. Up say to 5 years old you were completely goverened by your parents who protected you from the dangerous situations and haven't let you die of hunger or end up in the box on the street... Up say 15 y.o. you couldn't have explained coherently whether you govern at all on your way or not as again your parents, if prudent, took care of your ass. Suddenly you think you can govern something and try to build a plan for the better fate, success, secured future, career. You were alpha male a bit and ended up locked for 3 years. You thought once you freed you will take it serious. But you tragically and suddenly die, shit happens as you say it in the US. You deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for your own tomorrow and generally you're unable to say what you're going to do this same evening? You say the probability of you going to work tomorrow is very high the probability of god actually not being shy and showing face tomorrow...nil! I may as well say the probability of me to spit on the floor now is very high and god showing his face - nil. It doesn't mean anything in the general scheme of things at all, nor for me, nor for ya. You were goverened from the moment you saw the light, you were as if the fly, did understand nothing and knew nothing of science, nor anything. Poker face and good guy Barack Obama smashed that fly while being interviewed and the fly suddenly dead. It can happen with your good self any moment, in the night for example and the last words you here - can it be... I hope you aren't one of those who sleeps for half and hour, then jumps up and keeps walking and walking about to see whether the evil people have not set fire to something, have not stolen something or were intending to kill ya? The man is suddenly mortal as the fly, there is the trick. We heard of Darwinian natural selection, theory of chaos, flew on the moon but what of that?????????? No one can vouch he will wake up tomorrow, no one. Even your idolised hero Enstein couldn't have vouched for his own tomorrow. What could he do had the car overrode his brain while he was a toddler? Had it not been Enstein it would have been some other clown, there is no logic but idle chance...You get a boner speaking like the knowitall scientist, do as you like but leave the rest to heaven.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: big L dawg on July 05, 2009, 07:24:08 AM
oh please make it stop....there is no god I pray every night for this thread to go away.oh god please oh great mighty powerful all knowing supreme being please make it stop.....somehow I don't think this will work
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2009, 07:48:46 AM
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No one can vouch he will wake up tomorrow, no one. Even your idolised hero Enstein couldn't have vouched for his own tomorrow

THAT is your proof of god...

ok can i vouch for something 100%...

wanna make a $1000 bet?

God wont show himself for the next month...

how about that.i'm predicting 30 days in advance!  ;)
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 05, 2009, 10:30:59 AM
THAT is your proof of god...

ok can i vouch for something 100%...

wanna make a $1000 bet?

God wont show himself for the next month...

how about that.i'm predicting 30 days in advance!  ;)

Supreme intelligence my halfwit interlocutor. There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see. You're the 3'rd.
 I know you're ready to argue till the day of judgment. To argue, be thinking you can govern something -- how interestin it is...

Ok can i vouch for something 100%...

Wanna make a $1000 bet?

You will not see my girlfriend I fock for the next month. 30 days in advance.

Tell me frankly you live in the USA? You gonna lose in the long run, and it shows already.

Wind of change??? ;)
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: big L dawg on July 05, 2009, 10:52:03 AM
Supreme intelligence my halfwit interlocutor. There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see. You're the 3'rd.
 I know you're ready to argue till the day of judgment. To argue, be thinking you can govern something -- how interestin it is...

Ok can i vouch for something 100%...

Wanna make a $1000 bet?

You will not see my girlfriend I fock for the next month. 30 days in advance.

Tell me frankly you live in the USA? You gonna lose in the long run, and it shows already.

Wind of change??? ;)


you have sex out of wed lock?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 10:57:25 AM
This thread is not THG approved. :-\
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2009, 12:21:37 PM


You will not see my girlfriend I fock for the next month. 30 days in advance.




give me your addy and i will come see...see i provide an immediate solution..

now gimme an immediate solution on how to see god
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
you have sex out of wed lock?

lol!

owned! (http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/Rex_Grossman_Own3d_OWNED.jpg)
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
I want a steak with spicy fries (chips) and mustard/ketchup.
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2009, 12:32:50 PM
I want a steak with spicy fries (chips) and mustard/ketchup.


yummmm tastes godly to me! ;D
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 12:36:42 PM

yummmm tastes godly to me! ;D

Restarted my diet this week...will have to wait a long time for that... :-\
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
Restarted my diet this week...will have to wait a long time for that... :-\

diet usually means no soda for me!
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: andreisdaman on July 05, 2009, 04:05:21 PM
diet usually means no soda for me!



same here...we're doomed!
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Deicide on July 05, 2009, 04:06:13 PM


same here...we're doomed!

Diet soda?
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: Alex23 on July 05, 2009, 04:20:24 PM
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2009, 04:36:42 PM


same here...we're doomed!

died soda tastes like poop...i usually switch to gatorade and the ocassional crystal light...

or sometimes a coke can slammed right after training  ;D
Title: Re: IF there is no God who governs human life?
Post by: theonlyone on July 05, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
give me your addy and i will come see...see i provide an immediate solution..

now gimme an immediate solution on how to see god

A trifling matter, it seems, but even this you cannot accomplish, even though the solution was there. I give ya my addy, u come, see me and no girl I mentioned. She's just flown to NZ. Celly either switched off or out of coverage area, number - Russia - 89277719539. Cannot be any easier for ya. May be we better go to night club or bathhouse with the other bitches? And no I'm not one of those who would have made one of those unnecessary, stupid marriages such as are made by thousands among us from being bored and having nothing to do.

 
 Now let's be fair
 
 Gimme ur addy, I come to ya, see ya and u deal with Russians. In 3 days there will a video on youtube, you just don't know hw much you can say and confess.