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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tbombz on June 21, 2009, 11:06:16 AM
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just postd this down below and i know that board is slow on traffic and i know there are tons and tons of guys who only post on G&O who are into this stuff.... so ill share this post up here.....
at leats you got my question right! insulin makes blood glucose drop.
blood glucose drops because glucose is stuffed into muscle in the form of glycogen. insulin makes you fat, only when you are eating fat.
now... lets think about whats the difference between normal blood glucose, elevated blood glucose, and below normal blood glucose. normal blood glucose levels have a pretty balance effect of fat/glycogen metabolism in the body. elevated levels put most of the body towards glucose.glycogen. below normal levels puts most of the body towards fat metabolism.
when dieting, you want your body to use fat for fuel. you want it to use, more specifically body fat. how do you get this to happen? well, it cant happen unless blood glucose/insulin is normal or below normal... however it much better to have it below normal, as this is much more protein sparing, and much quicker fat loss. and thats the point of every diet..spare muscle while burning fat.
now... carbs and insulin are still needed when dieting. without them you will not end up as full of a body as you could have. the glycogen gives yoru body a source of glucose to use instead of amino acids when BG is low or normal(normal BG means no glucose is entering the body and body is using metabolic hormones to convert body stores iinto glucose at a perfect rate to keep BG at the perfect level). the insulin shoves amino acids into muscle, and also primes up your body for fat metabolism...by inhibiting cortisol, increasing thyroid hormones, increasing water content in muscle...etc.
but carbs , when eaten, raise blood sugar. which is not what we want when trying to drop fat! so how do we get carbs and still drop fat... well it seems the best way to do it is the carbs in to the muscle and out of the bloodstream as fast as posisble, this way you have the least amount of time with elevated BG and insulin as possible.... and consequently, when BG rises high, generally a period of hypoglycemia occurs shortly after....as a result of too much insulin for the load of carbs (because a greta amount of BG is rising quickly, body assumes a really big load of carbs is coming... )
however the body only release certain amount of slin and certain amount of counteracting hormones...and generally the spike inslin and the drop in BG are very small and unconsequential and BG stays elevated for quite some time
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when u gonna post some flexing photos?
isn't that why someone juice?
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Do we get a certificate of completion and credits from the University of Google if we take this class, "Tbombz"?
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Ok so now throw glucagon in there and continue to preach.
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Did GH15 tell you all that?
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tbombz, are you sure this is english?
it hurts to read that, even for a non native speaker.
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it's like a deep tissue massage, except it's in your ass
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tbombz what is your position on motorbikes? :P
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Do we get a certificate of completion and credits from the University of Google if we take this class, "Tbombz"?
;D
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it's like a deep tissue massage, except it's in your ass
:P
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How long have you had your Pro card???
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Yes,we can all learn alot from a cokehead lifeguard.
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help me w my cut diet!!!
how much good fat is too much in the diet w/ 100g of carbs per day??
-gene
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help me w my cut diet!!!
how much good fat is too much in the diet w/ 100g of carbs per day??
-gene
Don't do it Gene, tdongz is a fat slob and he's on teh juice, google is his lifeline, you don't want to take advice from a guy that uses cocaine to drop fat. :-\
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help me w my cut diet!!!
how much good fat is too much in the diet w/ 100g of carbs per day??
-gene
Don't do it Gene, tdongz is a fat slob and he's on teh juice, google is his lifeline, you don't want to take advice from a guy that uses cocaine to drop fat. :-\
And steals from his parents.
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today I went to sonic and got a large strawberry fruit slushee blend thing.
it was very good, but I suspect that much sugar wasn't all that good for me.
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And steals from his parents.
Careful Clavin, his dad rides with HA!!! :o
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Careful Clavin, his dad rides with HA!!! :o
Musy be a tough guy if his son still wasn't scared enough to steal from him.
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at leats you got my question right! insulin makes blood glucose drop.
blood glucose drops because glucose is stuffed into muscle in the form of glycogen. insulin makes you fat, only when you are eating fat. The extent of your workout will diminish fat gains and or put on muscle rendering this statement false unless you are sitting on your ass
now... lets think about whats the difference between normal blood glucose, elevated blood glucose, and below normal blood glucose. normal blood glucose levels have a pretty balance effect of fat/glycogen metabolism in the body. elevated levels put most of the body towards glucose.glycogen. below normal levels puts most of the body towards fat metabolism.
when dieting, you want your body to use fat for fuel. you want it to use, more specifically body fat. how do you get this to happen? well, it cant happen unless blood glucose/insulin is normal or below normal... however it much better to have it below normal, as this is much more protein sparing, and much quicker fat loss. and thats the point of every diet..spare muscle while burning fat. you spare if not gain muscle more so through any bit of training you do to some degree nullifying this concept also
now... carbs and insulin are still needed when dieting. without them you will not end up as full of a body as you could have. the glycogen gives yoru body a source of glucose to use instead of amino acids when BG is low or normal(normal BG means no glucose is entering the body and body is using metabolic hormones to convert body stores iinto glucose at a perfect rate to keep BG at the perfect level). the insulin shoves amino acids into muscle, and also primes up your body for fat metabolism...by inhibiting cortisol, increasing thyroid hormones, increasing water content in muscle...etc.
but carbs , when eaten, raise blood sugar. which is not what we want when trying to drop fat! so how do we get carbs and still drop fat... well it seems the best way to do it is the carbs in to the muscle and out of the bloodstream as fast as posisble, this way you have the least amount of time with elevated BG and insulin as possible.... and consequently, when BG rises high, generally a period of hypoglycemia occurs shortly after....as a result of too much insulin for the load of carbs (because a greta amount of BG is rising quickly, body assumes a really big load of carbs is coming... ) Yes the best way to apply this thought is to work out after the food you eat
however the body only release certain amount of slin and certain amount of counteracting hormones...and generally the spike inslin and the drop in BG are very small and unconsequential and BG stays elevated for quite some time
thank falcon be a friend for god sakes
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Musy be a tough guy if his son still wasn't scared enough to steal from him.
Maybe his dad doesn't hit queers ???
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Maybe his dad doesn't hit queers ???
Then his mother shoulda craked him.
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Then his mother shoulda craked him.
She was busy being an HA groupie.
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WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALK ALL GAY AND DEGRADING WHEN SOMEONE POSTS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INDIRECTLY USEFULL IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MASTERY OF BODYBUILDING, GET A FUCKIN CLUE AS TO WHY YOU ALL LOOK LIKE SHIT
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WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALK ALL GAY AND DEGRADING WHEN SOMEONE POSTS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INDIRECTLY USEFULL IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MASTERY OF BODYBUILDING, GET A FUCKIN CLUE AS TO WHY YOU ALL LOOK LIKE SHIT
Have you seen a pic of tdongz? Maybe because he looks like shit and the reason is because of the stuff he posts.
We're trying to help, Johnny Failcrackhead, accept it and move along.
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WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALK ALL GAY AND DEGRADING WHEN SOMEONE POSTS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INDIRECTLY USEFULL IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MASTERY OF BODYBUILDING, GET A FUCKIN CLUE AS TO WHY YOU ALL LOOK LIKE SHIT
Johnny, why havn't you posted a photo of your penis for a while?
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Johnny, why havn't you posted a photo of your penis for a while?
Outed.
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Outed.
Struggle.
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tbombz what is your position on motorbikes? :P
*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*
/elvis had no talent
//jimi hendrix was all drugs
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Struggle.
You struggle.
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Chaos struggles.
QFT.
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I like wearing womens clothes.
:o
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:o
Well, he carries it well. A few beers in, I might hit it. ;D
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Train,Eat,Rest,Repeat !!
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Well, he carries it well. A few beers in, I might hit it. ;D
:-X
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Sorry, bro. Didn't mean to be a cock-blocker. He's all yours. ;D
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Sorry, bro. Didn't mean to be a cock-blocker. He's all yours. ;D
That would be all well and good......... except for the fact that I have standards.
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oh well, no one wants to discuss.
that was directed to someone saying insulin would make you fat and its retarded to advise insulin use while cutting.
trying to help people understand the method behind the madness, when gh15 talks about insulin used for fat loss. its quite common knowledge it can be used to get into ketosis at a accelerated rate... but not as well known about its use along with carbs while dieting.
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oh well, no one wants to discuss.
that was directed to someone saying insulin would make you fat and its retarded to advise insulin use while cutting.
trying to help people understand the method behind the madness, when gh15 talks about insulin used for fat loss. its quite common knowledge it can be used to get into ketosis at a accelerated rate... but not as well known about its use along with carbs while dieting.
IM THE ONLY ONE WHO CARED ENOUGH TO REPLY YOU ASSHOLE AND YOU IGNORE MEH >:(
PERHAPS YOU ARE SCARED OF REASONING WITH THE FALCON 4 FEAR YOU WILL FILL STUPID IN YOUR NUTRITION AND BODYBUILDING LOGIC LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE A TENDER HEART SO PERHAPS WE CAN FIND TRUTH IN OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS :D
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oh well, no one wants to discuss.
that was directed to someone saying insulin would make you fat and its retarded to advise insulin use while cutting.
trying to help people understand the method behind the madness, when gh15 talks about insulin used for fat loss. its quite common knowledge it can be used to get into ketosis at a accelerated rate... but not as well known about its use along with carbs while dieting.
all of that information is exactly correct. all though you don't look like you know what you're talking about, you're right on the money with your info usually.
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That would be all well and good......... except for the fact that I have standards.
LOL. What's that mean? 3 dates before giving it up? ;D
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LOL. What's that mean? 3 dates before giving it up? ;D
Means you show some green and he sucks you clean.
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oh well, no one wants to discuss.
that was directed to someone saying insulin would make you fat and its retarded to advise insulin use while cutting.
trying to help people understand the method behind the madness, when gh15 talks about insulin used for fat loss. its quite common knowledge it can be used to get into ketosis at a accelerated rate... but not as well known about its use along with carbs while dieting.
don't you think it's a little dangerous and stupid for you to post insulin use:
1. because misuse can kill you
2. you've never done it yourself
3. people know where you live, so they can hunt you down due to "wrongful" advice?
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oh well, no one wants to discuss.
that was directed to someone saying insulin would make you fat and its retarded to advise insulin use while cutting.
trying to help people understand the method behind the madness, when gh15 talks about insulin used for fat loss. its quite common knowledge it can be used to get into ketosis at a accelerated rate... but not as well known about its use along with carbs while dieting.
I agree with what you say, but you gotta remember, some people will go to extremes when it comes to weight loss. If a little works well, a lot will work better, and that can be bad when you play with insulin. I would advise them to clean up the diet, and if they wanted to manipulate insulin, play with some GDA's( R-ALA, Vanadyl,cinnamon,etc.) before telling anyone to play with exogenous insulin. Just to much room for error.
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WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALK ALL GAY AND DEGRADING WHEN SOMEONE POSTS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INDIRECTLY USEFULL IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MASTERY OF BODYBUILDING, GET A FUCKIN CLUE AS TO WHY YOU ALL LOOK LIKE SHIT
"Posin'. Posin' fo da hoes."
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Train,Eat,Inject,Rest,Repeat !!
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today I went to sonic and got a large strawberry fruit slushee blend thing.
it was very good, but I suspect that much sugar wasn't all that good for me.
Great, they just built one near me...I believe that makes two in Michigan now.
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TLF - true. but that wasnt what i was addressing. the forum is not nutrition, its drugs...and the OP was asking about drug useage and wanted that type of info.
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Taylor, you are incorrect.
Fat oxidation has very little to do with absolute calorie intake.
Since fat is regulated by insulin, and insulin's preeminent effect is to inhibit fat oxidation, then by default, anyone interested in fat loss has to embrace some degree of carbohydrate restriction.
Insulin controls fat, carbohydrates control insulin.
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Do we get a certificate of completion and credits from the University of Google if we take this class, "Tbombz"?
ahahahaha.
holy fuck kiwiol, you're on fire the past few weeks!
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I thought this session was about
anal sex deep tissue massage... what gives? Just kidding dizzle your a big dude who has come a long way, what's your current split and estimated protein intake a day? I know you dont count calories but what would you estimate your protein intake at?
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Taylor, you are incorrect.
Fat oxidation has very little to do with absolute calorie intake.
Since fat is regulated by insulin, and insulin's preeminent effect is to inhibit fat oxidation, then by default, anyone interested in fat loss has to embrace some degree of carbohydrate restriction.
Insulin controls fat, carbohydrates control insulin.
I'm not aware of any studies showing effect of dietary carbohydrate restriction (vs. dietary fat restriction) on fat loss as long as rate of weight loss is the same and protein is kept high enough. I'm also not aware of any studies showing effect of insulin release patterns on body composition given the same conditions.
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Taylor, you are incorrect.
Fat oxidation has very little to do with absolute calorie intake.
Since fat is regulated by insulin, and insulin's preeminent effect is to inhibit fat oxidation, then by default, anyone interested in fat loss has to embrace some degree of carbohydrate restriction.
Insulin controls fat, carbohydrates control insulin.
re read what i wrote, and where i put it into context.
you see to have misunderstood the post.
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didn't Taylor say he was going to post some recent pics
would be nice to see how all of his "teachings" are working for himself