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How stars so rich and famous can go broke
by Kathleen Pender
It would seem inconceivable if it didn't happen so often: highly paid celebrities and athletes going broke.
Despite having one of the most lucrative careers in show business, Michael Jackson reportedly died $400 million in debt. Ed McMahon narrowly avoided foreclosure on his home before he died last week.
Actor Stephen Baldwin, former baseball slugger Jose Canseco and former basketball star Latrell Sprewell all lost their homes to foreclosure recently, and boxer Evander Holyfield is heading that way.
Actors and singers who have reportedly filed for bankruptcy in the past 20 years include "Sopranos" shrink Lorraine Bracco, Randy Quaid, Burt Reynolds, Kim Basinger, Gary Coleman, MC Hammer, Wayne Newton, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Toni Braxton and La Toya Jackson (Michael's sister).
Pro athletes seem even more prone to financial loss.
Sports Illustrated estimates that 78 percent of former National Football League players, within two years of retirement, are bankrupt or "under financial stress because of joblessness or divorce." Within five years of retirement, an estimated 60 percent of former National Basketball Association players "are broke." And at least 10 major-league baseball players fell prey to alleged fraudster Robert Allen Stanford, the magazine says.
For each failure, there is usually a reason: a lawsuit, illness, injury, divorce, unexpected tax bill or bad investment. Those are the same things that throw ordinary folks into bankruptcy, but celebrities face challenges most of us don't.
One is that their careers are highly uncertain and often brief. In the business world, it's fairly easy for someone with a seven-figure income to guesstimate their future earnings, says Ken Naehu, a managing director of Bel Air Investment Advisors in Los Angeles.
"In the entertainment world, you can be very hot and then not. You can't spend like you will have a 20-year career at that type of earnings. Part of what an adviser is supposed to do is tell them what they don't want to hear: You have to invest and protect this money because it might be all you have."
Not all celebrities heed that advice.
"Some people are not willing to accept the bad news: You can't live at this lifestyle. They say, 'I'll make money some other way,' " says Ken Anderson, a director in Los Angeles with wealth management firm Aspiriant.
Sometimes they can.
"I know firsthand some celebrities in this town go on tour because they have to, not because they want to," Anderson says. "I've dealt with some athletes. When they ran out of money, they went to a baseball park and sold autographs for $10 or $20 a pop and that kept them out of the newspaper for being destitute."
Canseco recently appeared in a mixed martial arts match in Japan.
Fame isn't cheap
Along with their outsize incomes, celebrities also have enormous overhead: large homes, agents, managers, publicists, bodyguards, assistants and others who may or may not have their best interests at heart.
"In entertainment and sports, salaries are published. It's like winning the lottery. People come out of the woodwork trying to sell you things," says Ted Beck, president and chief executive of the National Endowment for Financial Education.
"Because you have achieved wealth based on talent, not business skills, you immediately become a target, especially if you are young. Trying to ferret out who is there to help you in a professional way is hard. You are inundated with people trying to share your success, not provide a service to you."
Beck, whose organization makes grants, has experienced this on a smaller scale himself. "I'm always amazed how suddenly popular I get at meetings. When people start saying, 'That was an intelligent comment,' I immediately check my wallet," he says.
Cutting costs tough
Like any business with fixed costs, celebrities often have trouble cutting their expenses quickly enough when their income nosedives.
"If you are making $10 million a year, keeping $7 million after taxes, and you are spending pretty close to that, it won't take long for you to be out of money if your income stops but your spending continues for six months," Naehu says.
Some celebrities and athletes get into bad investments because they think their success on the stage or field will translate to other areas of life.
"Having one sort of talent does not usually bestow all sorts of talents on a person," says Terrance Odean, a professor and behavioral finance specialist at UC Berkeley's Haas School of Business. "You often find athletes and entertainers making poor investments because the skills and knowledge they needed to become athletes and entertainers does not include business skills."
Not all celebrities act this way. Naehu says that most of the celebrities his firm works with are more nervous or tentative than noncelebrities, either "because of their past experience or experience (of others) they know."
He also knows a few wealthy celebrities who grew up poor and continue to live well below their means.
What, if anything, can the average person learn from celebrity failures?
"It's important to insulate your lifestyle," Anderson says. "Take care of your personal needs with conservative investments you know are going to be there. Use riskier assets for the extras of life."
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people that make their money through entertainment don't appreciate the value of a dollar
how can you when you don't have to work hard for your money? playing basketball or singing is not "working"
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Something people are often unaware of is that being an entertainer is quite expensive. Quite often an entertainer only gets to keep a small fraction of what they gross... if they're lucky. Between agents, mgrs, publicists, lawyers, and taxes.... they're lucky if they get to keep 20 - 30% of what they gross. And that's being generous. In the US, some personal mgrs can get as much as 50% of a performers gross. The agents get 10%, the publicists 10% the lawyers can take another 10 - 15% and the business mgrs another 10 - 15%... There's very little left over for the performer. From what's left, they have to cover household & living expenses... including security which most of the rest of the public doesn't have to contend with. Why do you think celebs are constantly getting things for free and never have to pay for anything... it's 'cause people in the know, know they can't afford to. :D
Wynona Ryder anyone?
I swear people started crying when the IRS announced they were going to start taxing the value of the bling given out in goody bags.
Some celebs have good long runs like Leno and the cast of Knots Landing, ...who earn solid paycheques over an extended run allowing them the ability to make good solid investments that pay off over time, but for many of the celebs du jour... without solid diversification, and ongoing residuals, ...they can be sunk faster than you think.
Sometimes you'll get a celeb with such box office power that they can renegotiate their contracts down to a mere few percentage points like Madonna did. What agent is not going to want to represent her even if they're only getting 5%. She can command huge fees wherever she goes and whenever she wants. For the rest, ...they're at the mercy of the leeches.
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people that make their money through entertainment don't appreciate the value of a dollar
how can you when you don't have to work hard for your money? playing basketball or singing is not "working"
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Maybe you should try being an entertainer to see whether or not you work hard.
Make no mistake, ...it is hard work, ...in many cases harder than most, ...it's just a different kind of hard work.
One that takes it's toll, not only physically, but mentally, emotionally, psychically, and spiritually. It can eat you alive.
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Maybe you should try being an entertainer to see whether or not you work hard.
Make no mistake, ...it is hard work, ...in many cases harder than most, ...it's just a different kind of hard work.
One that takes it's toll, not only physically, but mentally, emotionally, psychically, and spiritually. It can eat you alive.
oh please ::)
all of them are doing something they love, along with getting the attention and admiration they've always craved
it's not work when you love it, and you can never tell me that playing a kids game for a living or singing is work especially when people that actually work do these things in their spare time
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oh please ::)
all of them are doing something they love, along with getting the attention and admiration they've always craved
it's not work when you love it, and you can never tell me that playing a kids game for a living or singing is work especially when people that actually work do these things in their spare time
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Whether they love it or not is completely irrelevent and doesn't negate the fact that it is hard work.
I'm sure porn stars love what they do too, ...but despite that, you can't tell me that Asian porn star who had a marathon gang bang with over a 100 of her fans wasn't working hard.
Not all of them crave attention and admiration.
Many accept it as the sacrifice and price they have to pay, ...but trust me when I tell you, they don't all crave it.
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Whether they love it or not is completely irrelevent and doesn't negate the fact that it is hard work.
I'm sure porn stars love what they do too, ...but despite that, you can't tell me that Asian porn star who had a marathon gang bang with over a 100 of her fans wasn't working hard.
Not all of them crave attention and admiration.
Many accept it as the sacrifice and price they have to pay, ...but trust me when I tell you, they don't all crave it.
it is not as hard as working a real job, like i said they get paid to do what average joe's do as a hobbyand it's not work when you are passionate about something
any person that bitches about their life as a rich entertainer is the type that would blow their brains out working 9 - 5
no the asian porn star isn't working hard, she's lying there getting plowed by men, that is really your idea of work , seriously???
yes they all crave attention, when they say they don't they are lying because nobody wants to admit to being an attention whore
i'm sure it gets annoying with papparazzi snapping photos while they eat but other than that they love the attention, if anything that's the whole reason a lot get into show business, why do you think c list celebrities do reality shows? because that's the only way they can get attention and stay in the limelight
aspiring singers don't say "i want to be rich" they say "i want to be famous"
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it is not as hard as working a real job, like i said they get paid to do what average joe's do as a hobbyand it's not work when you are passionate about something
Dude, just because I'd paint my own house, build a deck in my back yard, or change my own oil for free, doesn't mean it's not work, ...and it sure as heck doesn't mean that anybody who does that doesn't deserve to get paid for it.
any person that bitches about their life as a rich entertainer is the type that would blow their brains out working 9 - 5
Quite possibly, ...but that doesn't mean it's not hard work.
There are also many 9-5 types that wouldn't be able to handle life as a celebrity entertainer either.
Many of them have been known to blow their brains out too. Kurt Cobain anyone?
no the asian porn star isn't working hard, she's lying there getting plowed by men, that is really your idea of work , seriously???
Dude if you think doing over 100 guys back to back isn't hard work, ...you're either crazy... or gay. Which is it?
yes they all crave attention, when they say they don't they are lying because nobody wants to admit to being an attention whore
How many celebs do you know? Seriously. Do you have any as friends? Have you ever spent time with them?
I'm not refering to meeting someone one night and hanging out for a few hours, ...but actually getting to know one, ...having a friendship with one, and being a part of their lives. Have you?
i'm sure it gets annoying with papparazzi snapping photos while they eat but other than that they love the attention, if anything that's the whole reason a lot get into show business, why do you think c list celebrities do reality shows? because that's the only way they can get attention and stay in the limelight
You appear to equate being an attention whore with being a celebrity. It's truly not the same thing.
Yes, there are attention whores who do reality TV as a means of getting attention and trying to stay relevant, ...however, there's a big difference between being a celebrity and being an attention whore.
Yes, I won't deny alot of celebrities are attention whores, ...but there are those who are not.
There are many celebrities who surprisingly enough are extraordinarily shy, and the attention is excrutiatingly painful.
aspiring singers don't say "i want to be rich" they say "i want to be famous"
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Aspiring singers who are attention whores say "I want to be famous". Most singers just want to sing.
There's no question about it that many performers are attention whores, ... a much larger percentage than is found in the average population, but the fact remains that most performers just want to do the work. The rest is a price the have to pay in order to do the work. The perks that come with fame, are a poor consolation for the sacrifice they have to make. If they can do the work and make the same money without the fame, ...many would jump at it. Most actors just want to act.
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Actors put in 14 hour days on set. Thats hard work.
Pro Athletes doing two a day practices plus hitting the gym and eating well...thats hard work.
Dealing with the public, agents, publicists, magazines, news crews...you guessed it. Hard work.
These people don't have as easy as you think.
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Actors put in 14 hour days on set. Thats hard work.
Pro Athletes doing two a day practices plus hitting the gym and eating well...thats hard work.
Dealing with the public, agents, publicists, magazines, news crews...you guessed it. Hard work.
These people don't have as easy as you think.
Exactly, ...and that's if you're lucky.
Try staying at peak energy for 14 hours a day. It seriously wipes you the fuck out!
That's only if you're fortunate enough to be a no name. If you're a headliner, ...you can add endless contractural promotions and interview junkets on top of that. Try being cooped up in a hotel room for 10 hours a day with 40 different journalists all asking you the same damned questions over & over and over again, ...while you have to smile through the whole thing and pretend like it's the first time you've ever even heard such a question, ...day in day out.
John Travolta is the only actor I know of that doesn't bleed on set figuratively speaking.
It's written into his contracts that he works straight 9-5 Monday through Fridays... no weekends or overtime.
Even then, he's still giving it 110% cause he's probably in every damned scene.
The cushiest acting gigs I know of are voice actors. No hair/ no makeup / no wardrobe... just studio sessions.
Still, even those are taxing as hell. Mel Blancs doctors said his vocal chords didn't look like a normal person's.
When he died, they discovered that instead of thin membranes, his were like tough thick sinewy muscles.
Even being a musician is hard work. Try going on tour sometime and see if that doesn't wipe you out.
I know guys that will train for months just to get in shape to be able to go out on tour. If you've never done it, ...or know someone who has, you may never appreciate just how taxing it is on the body, mind, and soul.
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Exactly, ...and that's if you're lucky.
Try staying at peak energy for 14 hours a day. It seriously wipes you the fuck out!
That's only if you're fortunate enough to be a no name. If you're a headliner, ...you can add endless contractural promotions and interview junkets on top of that. Try being cooped up in a hotel room for 10 hours a day with 40 different journalists all asking you the same damned questions over & over and over again, ...while you have to smile through the whole thing and pretend like it's the first time you've ever even heard such a question, ...day in day out.
John Travolta is the only actor I know of that doesn't bleed on set figuratively speaking.
It's written into his contracts that he works straight 9-5 Monday through Fridays... no weekends or overtime.
Even then, he's still giving it 110% cause he's probably in every damned scene.
The cushiest acting gigs I know of are voice actors. No hair/ no makeup / no wardrobe... just studio sessions.
Still, even those are taxing as hell. Mel Blancs doctors said his vocal chords didn't look like a normal person's.
When he died, they discovered that instead of thin membranes, his were like tough thick sinewy muscles.
Even being a musician is hard work. Try going on tour sometime and see if that doesn't wipe you out.
I know guys that will train for months just to get in shape to be able to go out on tour. If you've never done it, ...or know someone who has, you may never appreciate just how taxing it is on the body, mind, and soul.
Its good to know someone here agrees with me...thanks.
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Its good to know someone here agrees with me...thanks.
No Thank You! :) :-*
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Oh please. Entertainers and professional athletes play for a living and it's not even a full-time job. They "work" hard part of the time, but it's not the "real world." Hard work is teaching a group of kids in elementary or high school on a daily basis, managing a grocery store, building or repairing homes, janitorial work, working a farm, etc.
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Oh please. Entertainers and professional athletes play for a living and it's not even a full-time job. They "work" hard part of the time, but it's not the "real world." Hard work is teaching a group of kids in elementary or high school on a daily basis, managing a grocery store, building or repairing homes, janitorial work, working a farm, etc.
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Ya, tell this dancer she just "plays" for a living, and how "easy" her work is...
(http://podiatrym.com/pmphotos/Dancers%20foot%20(554%20x%20504).jpg)
...and while you're at it, tell this ballerina as well. She might be a bit busy bandaging her bleeding feet tho, but go ahead.
(http://jimsomerville.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ballerina_feet1.jpg)
ps: It only looks like play because they are so proficient at it. >:(
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Beach, ...hard work is keeping from beating you within an inch of your life! >:( That's hard work!
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Entertainers and sports people shouldn't get married.
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Beach, ...hard work is keeping from beating you within an inch of your life! >:( That's hard work!
You sure are violent. :-\
And oh a poor little dancer's feet hurt. Boo freakin hoo. ::)
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Just because it isn't manual labor doesn't mean its not hard work.
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Just because it isn't manual labor doesn't mean its not hard work.
Never said that. Note I mentioned "teaching a group of kids in elementary or high school on a daily basis" and "managing a grocery store," neither of which are manual labor. Point was the rank and file who work 5 or 6 (or more) days a week doing real work--as opposed to "acting" or playing a game--are the ones who do hard work.
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Dude, just because I'd paint my own house, build a deck in my back yard, or change my own oil for free, doesn't mean it's not work, ...and it sure as heck doesn't mean that anybody who does that doesn't deserve to get paid for it.
singing and playing basketball is not work, nobody ever lists "building a deck" as a hobby or something they do for fun, it's work
Quite possibly, ...but that doesn't mean it's not hard work.
There are also many 9-5 types that wouldn't be able to handle life as a celebrity entertainer either.
Many of them have been known to blow their brains out too. Kurt Cobain anyone?
all 9 -5 people would trade their job for a life as an entertainer, ever notice how people worship celebrities?
Dude if you think doing over 100 guys back to back isn't hard work, ...you're either crazy... or gay. Which is it?
now i see why everybody says what a moron you are ::)
comparing sex to an actual job ::) ::) ::)
How many celebs do you know? Seriously. Do you have any as friends? Have you ever spent time with them?
I'm not refering to meeting someone one night and hanging out for a few hours, ...but actually getting to know one, ...having a friendship with one, and being a part of their lives. Have you?
none but i have worked in movies
ever wonder why these celebrities choose their celebrity job over a real job, have you ever wondered that ::)
You appear to equate being an attention whore with being a celebrity. It's truly not the same thing.
Yes, there are attention whores who do reality TV as a means of getting attention and trying to stay relevant, ...however, there's a big difference between being a celebrity and being an attention whore.
Yes, I won't deny alot of celebrities are attention whores, ...but there are those who are not.
There are many celebrities who surprisingly enough are extraordinarily shy, and the attention is excrutiatingly painful.
since when does being shy mean you don't crave attention?
if these people were given the choice of a real job and being an entertainer for the same salary, what do you think they would choose?
Aspiring singers who are attention whores say "I want to be famous". Most singers just want to sing.
yes they just want to sing and they love the attention and admiration, nobody gets on stage without loving attention and hearing applause
There's no question about it that many performers are attention whores, ... a much larger percentage than is found in the average population, but the fact remains that most performers just want to do the work. The rest is a price the have to pay in order to do the work. The perks that come with fame, are a poor consolation for the sacrifice they have to make. If they can do the work and make the same money without the fame, ...many would jump at it. Most actors just want to act.
they want to act because it beats the hell out of working a real job in every way, like i said it's not work when you love doing it and would do it in your spare time
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Actors put in 14 hour days on set. Thats hard work.
Pro Athletes doing two a day practices plus hitting the gym and eating well...thats hard work.
Dealing with the public, agents, publicists, magazines, news crews...you guessed it. Hard work.
These people don't have as easy as you think.
14 hours a day on a movie set is far better than a real job, knowing the money you are getting paid and the status it gives you
practicing a game is not hard work, have you ever worked a real job ::)
dealing with agents and others can be annoying, that is not work especially when they love attention
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Ya, tell this dancer she just "plays" for a living, and how "easy" her work is...
(http://podiatrym.com/pmphotos/Dancers%20foot%20(554%20x%20504).jpg)
...and while you're at it, tell this ballerina as well. She might be a bit busy bandaging her bleeding feet tho, but go ahead.
(http://jimsomerville.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ballerina_feet1.jpg)
ps: It only looks like play because they are so proficient at it. >:(
hahaha my feet look like that from jogging, willingly did it for free :D
you're just another person that puts them on a pedestal, i'm willing to bet these people are all living their lifelong dream
if she didn't love it she could work a regular job like the rest of us, somehow she keeps dancing ::)
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Grass always seem so much greener on the other side. Entertainers work very hard. So do ditch diggers. Very few people in the world get by on talent alone because isn't usually enough unless you develop it through hard work.
Earl does have some good points as well as Jag in this instance.
I would just add this to put everything on common ground: "If you love what you do, you will never work another day in your life." whether thats building a deck or scoring a touch down.
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I would just add this to put everything on common ground: "If you love what you do, you will never work another day in your life." whether thats building a deck or scoring a touch down.
that's my point all along, any person that sings or plays basketball for a living more than likely has had a passion for it their entire lives
if you are passionate about what you do for a living, you are not "working" you're getting paid to do what you would do in your free time
basketball players growing up sometimes would practice until they made 500 shots, you could call that working hard and you could also say he was having much more fun than he would studying to pass the bar exam
no one can ever convince me that playing a sport or singing is work, yeah they may have to do it for long hours but none of them would choose a real job with the same pay over their entertainment job
a lot of celebrities are mentally ill, these people will complain about a broken nail and make people like jag think it's hard work ::)
don't forget singers, actors, and athletes have much longer vacations than any person that is actually working
i'm still laughing about the feet pics ;D
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that's my point all along, any person that sings or plays basketball for a living more than likely has had a passion for it their entire lives
if you are passionate about what you do for a living, you are not "working" you're getting paid to do what you would do in your free time
Earl, I think you're completely missing the point. Despite someone doing the work they love, or following their passion, ...it is still hard work. Regardless of how much pleasure or creative satisfaction is derived from it. It is simply a "different kind" of hard work, often requiring a different set of muscles. It is nonetheless just as taxing, if not more so, on the mind, body, spirit, and soul as other forms of work. You're defining "work" as something to be detested, or as engaging in something you dislike. I'm defining "work" as something requiring tremendous effort & discipline.
basketball players growing up sometimes would practice until they made 500 shots, you could call that working hard and you could also say he was having much more fun than he would studying to pass the bar exam
no one can ever convince me that playing a sport or singing is work, yeah they may have to do it for long hours but none of them would choose a real job with the same pay over their entertainment job
Whether or not they would choose a different job with the same pay is completely irrelevant. It still is hard work. I think you diminish it's value, the work, the efforst, and the science and knowledge that goes into it because those who do it make it look so easy. Everyone thinks they can sing... they open their mouths, ...sounds come out, ...and they think it's singing. If you were to tell those same people to hit a high "C" however, they wouldn't be able to. They could make sounds, but they'd have no idea what notes those sounds correspond to. That takes talent, skill, ability, knowledge, and extremely hard work.
a lot of celebrities are mentally ill, these people will complain about a broken nail and make people like jag think it's hard work ::)
Yes, alot of celebrities ARE mentally ill. Often because the rigours of their professions, coupled with the sacrifices they must make in order to do what they do, takes one hell of a toll on the individual's mind, body and soul.
I referring at this point to actors, not celebrities, but actors... "real actors". Heath Ledger immediately comes to mind. There's acting, and then there's "real acting". Real actors transport themselves to places that most never visit, and it is taxing as hell. If you've never been an actor, you have no idea what I mean. And having been hired to perform in a play, or appear in a movie, TV show, commercial etc, does not make one an actor.
don't forget singers, actors, and athletes have much longer vacations than any person that is actually working
They have longer vacations because they can financially afford to, and they need to. I think anyone who dug ditches for a living would gladly jet off to the south of France for a month if they could afford to and still keep their jobs.
i'm still laughing about the feet pics ;D
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I'm glad you found those amusing. I'm sure the dancers whose feet bleed after every performance do not.
Out of curiosity, do you know any prima ballerinas? I do, ...and it's sad to see some of them in their 40's with bones like those in their 60's.
Anyway, all that aside, this thread isn't about whether celebrities, entertainers, sports figures or performers work hard, ...it's about once rich stars who are now bankrupt. The fact is the skills they develop that enable them to get paid what they do, are not the same skills required for sound fiscal management. Nor are their incomes as steady as the 9-5'er.
Look at the Olsen twins. Do you honestly think they are rich because they have great business minds?
I don't. I think they're nice girls (at least they were when I met them), but I believe their financial success is due to both Coogans law, and the fact that they had good business managers managing their money from the time they were toddlers.
Alot of celebrities are robbed blind by their business managers. If Cameron Diaz didn't have the ability to pull $20 million for Charlies Angels, ...she'd be broke too. She too is just one of many who were ripped off to the tune of 7 figures by thieves in blue suits. It happens in Hollywood more often than you think.
Hollywood is a cruel, shallow, plastic money trench
where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs.
~~ Hunter S Thompson
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singing and playing basketball is not work, nobody ever lists "building a deck" as a hobby or something they do for fun, it's work
See that's where you would be wrong. I love carpentry, ...and it is one of my hobbies.
all 9 -5 people would trade their job for a life as an entertainer, ever notice how people worship celebrities?
No they would not. Many would, ...but not everyone is cut out to be an entertainer.
Not everyone wants to be worshipped either. There's a big difference between being an entertainer, or being a performer, or being an actor, from being a celebrity. You automatically equate these, but they are not the same things.
now i see why everybody says what a moron you are ::)
comparing sex to an actual job ::) ::) ::)
Have sex with that, and then come and tell me it's not work. ;D
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none but i have worked in movies
really? And in what capacity?
ever wonder why these celebrities choose their celebrity job over a real job, have you ever wondered that ::)
I have no need to wonder.
since when does being shy mean you don't crave attention?
Since the inception of it's definition as one shrinking from familiarity or contact with others
if these people were given the choice of a real job and being an entertainer for the same salary, what do you think they would choose?
Some would choose a different profession, others would continue to do what they do.
yes they just want to sing and they love the attention and admiration, nobody gets on stage without loving attention and hearing applause
You'd be surprised.
they want to act because it beats the hell out of working a real job in every way, like i said it's not work when you love doing it and would do it in your spare time
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For many acting beats the hell out of working in another profession.
For many others, if they had the ability to enjoy the same perks they enjoy from their careers as actors,
without the negative baggage they must endure, ...they jump at it in a heartbeat.
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14 hours a day on a movie set is far better than a real job, knowing the money you are getting paid and the status it gives you
practicing a game is not hard work, have you ever worked a real job ::)
dealing with agents and others can be annoying, that is not work especially when they love attention
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Still hard work and its not as easy as you think.
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when i was younger i worked as an extra for a few movies
for most of them we would start at 6 a.m. and finish around 10 p.m.
i stood on my feet for almost the entire time for pennies, it wasn't about the money i just felt it was cool to be a part of movies
the experience was far more enjoyable than being in an office from 9 - 5 and the actors from my pov had it easier than the extras
they memorize a few lines for a scene, then they sit down and have some person bring them whatever they want while the extras stand the entire time with no 'slaves' catering to their needs
anybody with an average iq could memorize these lines, you just need the look the director wants for the particular part and the ablity to sound somewhat believable
i spoke to a few of the actors, even though extras normally aren't allowed to talk to them and i asked them about the work they put into it, they all said it can be tough but there is no way they could ever work a typical job again, the stresses of a real job are far greater, not to mention the lack of glory or admiration from others
all careers require some work, but if you have the talent to be an entertainer your career will be far easier than an average joe's, even if the average joe is the owner or boss of their work
any rich entertainer that complains about their "work" would complain about anything, the type of person that would whine about taxes when they won the powerball ::)
i'd say professional golfers have it the easiest, even the biggest stars in the world want to be tiger woods
now you'll tell me how hard tiger woods "works", as if working on your golf game all day is "work" :P
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when i was younger i worked as an extra for a few movies
for most of them we would start at 6 a.m. and finish around 10 p.m.
i stood on my feet for almost the entire time for pennies, it wasn't about the money i just felt it was cool to be a part of movies
An extra? ::) That explains much. Not to disparage extras because I have done it before, but being an extra is no where near being an actor. Especially being a non union extra where more than likely you were hired in a cattle call. They pull people off the streets for cattle calls. it's no more than being moving furniture. Until you get into more union work, on closed sets where you may be either the only extra or perhaps 1 of 2 or 3 and are required to interact with the stars. Even then it's not acting. Shoot, even under 5's and most of the principal parts out there don't require any acting or any craft whatsoever.
the experience was far more enjoyable than being in an office from 9 - 5 and the actors from my pov had it easier than the extras
The only reason you found it more enjoyable to work for pennies for 14 hrs is because you were a groupie who thought it was cool to be in a movie. ;D
There is a reason the principal actors have it easier. there's also a reason why they're provided with air conditioned trailers and quite often catered to hand & foot. If you think it's because they're worshipped... think again. Film personnel do not worship actors... far from it. Frequently there is a great disdain for actors among crews... especially those crew members who rarely get near the sets, and especially when those actors, even no names are being paid upwards of thousands of dollars per day, while they are existing on $10/hr.
they memorize a few lines for a scene, then they sit down and have some person bring them whatever they want while the extras stand the entire time with no 'slaves' catering to their needs
Yep... you were on a non union cattle call. {lol} Most actors won't do that kind of work unless they're on the verge of eviction... and then sometimes not even then.
anybody with an average iq could memorize these lines, you just need the look the director wants for the particular part and the ablity to sound somewhat believable
Those aren't actors... those are type cast performers. Andy Warhol was right... everyone gets their 15 mins.
Over the past 10 years we've seen a real shift in the industry where we've gotten away from the development of actors to a culture of reality show attention whores. Trust me when I tell you, ...there is a big difference between the two.
i spoke to a few of the actors, even though extras normally aren't allowed to talk to them and i asked them about the work they put into it, they all said it can be tough but there is no way they could ever work a typical job again, the stresses of a real job are far greater, not to mention the lack of glory or admiration from others
You speak of actors who say there is no way they would ever work a typical job again, ...you make no mention of the actors who have quit the business and said there is no way they would ever go back. There are plenty of those too... and for good reason. Just because an actor prefers his chosen profession over something else doesn't mean it's not hard. I don't think anyone here would say living life as a homeless person isn't hard, ...but you know what, ...believe it or not, there are some homeless people who would never have it any other way. The idea of living in a house in one spot is anathema to them, and they LOVE what they perceive as the ultimate freedom.
I've done more than "spoke to a few actors"... I've been one. I worked in the film industry for many years.
I've done it all so-tospeak, from both sides of the camera (with the exception of producing) I've been an agent, a casting director, an AD, stand-in, body double, lip syncher, table reader, as well as an actor. Trust me when I tell you most "actors" today, do not act. A good many of my roles I wouldn't even consider "acting". Some were, some weren't. That doesn't however negate the fact that acting is real work. In many ways harder than most. It's simply a matter of how far the actor wants to take it, or is capable of taking it. Most actors find a level they are comfortable with, and have no desire to take it to the next level, ...while others are compelled to take it as far as they can. By that, ...I'm not refering to "fame", I'm refering to taking their craft to the next level. One can end up in very dangerous territory... aptly illustrated by Heath Ledger. Being an actor can beat the hell out of you body, mind, and soul, to an extent where you think you just did a few rounds with Tyson. The beating is just not as condensed, but spread out over the course of the project, ...but it's still there.
all careers require some work, but if you have the talent to be an entertainer your career will be far easier than an average joe's, even if the average joe is the owner or boss of their work
Then why do so many celebrities pray their kids don't ever want to get into the business?
Your comments are pure conjecture and speculation from the other side of the fence.
Being an entertainer is one of the hardest careers around.
any rich entertainer that complains about their "work" would complain about anything, the type of person that would whine about taxes when they won the powerball ::)
Any rich entertainer who complains about their work, ...has at least some basis or foundation from which to make such a complaint. They are at least doing what they are complaining about. you on the other hand are making nothing but assumptions about something of which you know nothing.
i'd say professional golfers have it the easiest, even the biggest stars in the world want to be tiger woods
now you'll tell me how hard tiger woods "works", as if working on your golf game all day is "work" :P
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I'm not a golfer, ...I'm not so presumptuous as to assume a few puts here and there, in any way qualifies me as a professional golfer, ...or a golfer of any type. I don't know what Tiger Woods or any other golfer does. I wouldn't presume to comment. I do however know about the actors creative process and unlike you, that's something on which I'm fully qualified to comment.
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well said Jag...
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An extra? ::) That explains much. Not to disparage extras because I have done it before, but being an extra is no where near being an actor. Especially being a non union extra where more than likely you were hired in a cattle call. They pull people off the streets for cattle calls. it's no more than being moving furniture. Until you get into more union work, on closed sets where you may be either the only extra or perhaps 1 of 2 or 3 and are required to interact with the stars. Even then it's not acting. Shoot, even under 5's and most of the principal parts out there don't require any acting or any craft whatsoever.
i saw how things were ran, looked far better than a real job and all actors will tell you the same
e only reason you found it more enjoyable to work for pennies for 14 hrs is because you were a groupie who thought it was cool to be in a movie. ;D
yeah that's how everybody feels, nobody chooses real work when they have a chance to be in a movie
most actors start at the bottom, not making 10 million per movie
There is a reason the principal actors have it easier. there's also a reason why they're provided with air conditioned trailers and quite often catered to hand & foot. If you think it's because they're worshipped... think again. Film personnel do not worship actors... far from it. Frequently there is a great disdain for actors among crews... especially those crew members who rarely get near the sets, and especially when those actors, even no names are being paid upwards of thousands of dollars per day, while they are existing on $10/hr.
so they don't get 'worshipped' by film personnel
damn if i wasn't 'worshipped' by them i would work a real job instead ::)
Yep... you were on a non union cattle call. {lol} Most actors won't do that kind of work unless they're on the verge of eviction... and then sometimes not even then.
these actors weren't on the verge of anything
You speak of actors who say there is no way they would ever work a typical job again, ...you make no mention of the actors who have quit the business and said there is no way they would ever go back. There are plenty of those too... and for good reason. Just because an actor prefers his chosen profession over something else doesn't mean it's not hard. I don't think anyone here would say living life as a homeless person isn't hard, ...but you know what, ...believe it or not, there are some homeless people who would never have it any other way. The idea of living in a house in one spot is anathema to them, and they LOVE what they perceive as the ultimate freedom.
they quit he business because they knew their acting dreams would never become a reality, if they were offered a role by steven spielberg or martin scorsese i think they would've reconsidered ;)
what percentage of people do you think would be happy being homeless? serious question, you seem to be the type that sees one exception to a rule and then thinks that it is something quite common
happy being homeless LOL
ne more than "spoke to a few actors"... I've been one. I worked in the film industry for many years.
I've done it all so-tospeak, from both sides of the camera (with the exception of producing) I've been an agent, a casting director, an AD, stand-in, body double, lip syncher, table reader, as well as an actor. Trust me when I tell you most "actors" today, do not act. A good many of my roles I wouldn't even consider "acting". Some were, some weren't. That doesn't however negate the fact that acting is real work. In many ways harder than most. It's simply a matter of how far the actor wants to take it, or is capable of taking it. Most actors find a level they are comfortable with, and have no desire to take it to the next level, ...while others are compelled to take it as far as they can. By that, ...I'm not refering to "fame", I'm refering to taking their craft to the next level. One can end up in very dangerous territory... aptly illustrated by Heath Ledger. Being an actor can beat the hell out of you body, mind, and soul, to an extent where you think you just did a few rounds with Tyson. The beating is just not as condensed, but spread out over the course of the project, ...but it's still there.
i believe it because like i said these people are mentally ill, working a real job would drive them to insanity far faster than acting
ledger was a drug addict, people need to stop blaming the overrated joker role for his death, a drug addict plain and simple
hen why do so many celebrities pray their kids don't ever want to get into the business?
what parent doesn't want their kids life to be easier than theirs? maybe they sucked dick for roles?
Your comments are pure conjecture and speculation from the other side of the fence.
Being an entertainer is one of the hardest careers around.
actually it's one of the easiest, hence the reason everybody wants to be them
get paid big money to be worshipped and 'work' half the year, real tough work ::)
Any rich entertainer who complains about their work, ...has at least some basis or foundation from which to make such a complaint. They are at least doing what they are complaining about. you on the other hand are making nothing but assumptions about something of which you know nothing.
do you think tiger woods or any major athlete ever worked a real job? ever think that having an easier life makes a person more likely to complain about trivial things?
a golfer, ...I'm not so presumptuous as to assume a few puts here and there, in any way qualifies me as a professional golfer, ...or a golfer of any type. I don't know what Tiger Woods or any other golfer does. I wouldn't presume to comment. I do however know about the actors creative process and unlike you, that's something on which I'm fully qualified to comment.
many actors say they got into acting because they didn't want to work 9 to 5
that says it all
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i believe it because like i said these people are mentally ill, working a real job would drive them to insanity far faster than acting
how very little you know.
ledger was a drug addict, people need to stop blaming the overrated joker role for his death, a drug addict plain and simple
I'm not refering to his death from prescription meds, ...or any alleged addiction to them.
I'm refering to his work resulting in a state that required the prescription meds to begin with.
However, as an extra who thinks he knows it all, you could never really comprehend the magnitude of it.
many actors say they got into acting because they didn't want to work 9 to 5
that says it all
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No, ...what it says is that those actors who got into it because they didn't want to work 9-5, got into it because they didn't want to work 9-5. I know, ...I was one of them. I didn't want to work a 9-5 either. Acting looked like a cake walk to me. As I progressed, I realized a whole new world, that also included a tremendous amount of hard work. I left the biz after in the early 90's relieved and thinking I would never go back. I changed my mind mid way through the 90's and found a level I was comfortable with. Just because people enter into something in a state of ignorance doesn't say it all. It simply illustrates the level of delusion and misperception prevalent in a population so very ignorant about the business. Something you've illustrated quite markedly.
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you didn't become the star you wanted to be, that's why you felt frustrated and quit
you all have the same story, none of you quit because the actual acting is too hard, you quit because you aren't getting decent roles that pay the bills, you see the writing on the wall
if steven spielberg comes calling, everybody would quit their 9 - 5 job immediately
nobody choose actual work over acting unless their job pays much more
acting isn't work :)
end of story
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Those were the ugliest feet I've ever seen in my life. I must now go and vomit.
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Beach, ...hard work is keeping from beating you within an inch of your life! >:( That's hard work!
More hate speech from this violent, homicidal nut. ::)
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This thread needs more love.
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you didn't become the star you wanted to be, that's why you felt frustrated and quit
No, I quit the business the first time, because it was just too taxing on my mind, body and soul.
I didn't like the person it was turning me into.
I quit the business the 2nd time, not because I didn't become a "star". I never sought to be one.
I quit the business the 2nd time because it started getting to the point where I started to get recognized,
...and I didn't enjoy it one bit. When people you've known for years start turning into groupies in front of your eyes, or when store clerks start freaking out when you walk in, or worse, complete strangers start recognizing you, it throws you. I am not ashamed to admit, I was both frightened & creeped out by the experience. It was time for me to leave. Most of the work was fun, ...but the aftermath, not so much so, plus a ton of BS that one cannot even begin to fathom. It was time to move on.
you all have the same story, none of you quit because the actual acting is too hard, you quit because you aren't getting decent roles that pay the bills, you see the writing on the wall
I more than supported myself in the biz... without a "day job".
I was level 6. The highest level a single performers could be.
if steven spielberg comes calling, everybody would quit their 9 - 5 job immediately
nobody choose actual work over acting unless their job pays much more
acting isn't work :)
end of story
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Many people do. I'll admit I didn't though. Network Mktg pays alot better with less work, ...but then again, I've been doing it for years.
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Dane Cook's half brother accused of stealing $11M
AP Mon Jul 06, 2009, 1:57 pm EDT
WOBURN, Mass. - Dane Cook's half brother has been indicted on additional charges that he stole more than $11 million from the comedian, prosecutors said Monday.
Darryl McCauley, 43, of Wilmington, allegedly wrote company checks to himself and transferred funds into his personal bank accounts while being paid $12,500 a month to serve as business manager for Cook's company, Great Dane Enterprises.
A Middlesex grand jury indicted him late last week on 20 new counts of larceny over $250 for allegedly stealing from Cook between March 2004 and December 2008. He had pleaded not guilty in March to larceny and other charges in the case.
McCauley worked as Cook's business manager from the early 1990s to December 2008.
McCauley's attorney, Robert Goldstein, declined to comment Monday on the new allegations, saying he had not yet seen the indictments. Goldstein said in March that McCauley denied taking any money without his brother's consent.
McCauley's wife, Erika, also has pleaded not guilty to charges that she helped her husband steal millions from Cook. They are both being held on $1 million bail each.
His arraignment has not yet been scheduled. Erika McCauley is due in court for a pretrial hearing July 24.
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See what I mean, ...it happens all the time. You try to be as careful as you can, ...even limiting yourself to those you've known all your life, ...and shit still happens. That sucks!... and from family too. :'(