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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BanksMcgee on July 11, 2009, 07:21:26 AM
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Non Bodybuilding related: Question for Muslim Getbiggers, as an AMERICAN living in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia( Muslim Country) as well as having traveled to Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar. I've noticed bad body odor on the regular. According to NON muslims i've spoken with this is do to the fact that muslims can't have alcohol on their skin, eliminating the use of MOST deodorants and other B.O products. I respect religious beliefs so i'm just wondering, for further knowledge, where it states this belief and what's the reasoning behind it? DISCUSS NOW!!!
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who ever told you that doesn't know anything.
we use perfumes and they do have alcohol, how about alcohol wipes?? alcohol is forbidden to drink only!
bad body odor in general? i don't think so.. we clean ourselves five times a day for each prayer, not to mention the use of SOUP and water to clean our asses after taking a dump.
case dismissed!
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I know a muslim, nice guy, clean, but due to lack of deoderant, later on in the day he can get a little stinky. I assumed it was against his beliefs.
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who ever told you that doesn't know anything.
we use perfumes and they do have alcohol, how about alcohol wipes?? alcohol is forbidden to drink only!
bad body odor in general? i don't think so.. we clean ourselves five times a day for each prayer, not to mention the use of SOUP and water to clean our asses after taking a dump.
case dismissed!
LMAO...what kind of "SOUP"?
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that concept is misunderstood ... a Muslim guy in Singapore asked me the same thing ... body odor is related to cleanliness ... as we say " Cleanliness is from faith" as faith in god ... which has the meaning of "cleanliness is next to godliness"
however Alcohol consumption is a sin in Islam ... as in Drinking alcohol ... using it on the body is not a sin at all ... infact Islam recommends using good smells during prayers and regardless of it containing alcohol or not ... as drinking alcohol only is considered a sin
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LMAO...what kind of "SOUP"?
you got me there ;D
SOAP!!
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I just get the dog to lick me when im dirty,its ok once its your own dog
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you got me there ;D
SOAP!!
LOL...sorry, just beeing my typical asshole self...
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LMAO...what kind of "SOUP"?
Would it be overly presumptive guess that these "SOUPS" would conveniently contain large phallic shaped foodstuffs such as cucumbers, zucchinis, carrots, sausages, etc?
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They don't smell to each other. It's only when they come into contact with a different culture - one that actually washes, cleans their teeth instead of hosting rotting husks in their mouth, and uses toilet paper instead of their hand - it becomes apparent..
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LOL...sorry, just beeing my typical asshole self...
No worries :)
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Mosques smell bad as well
a good carpet shampoo would do the trick
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Note to Muslims Christians and the rest of Supernatural Jewish Zombie or Sky God believers and/or worshippers:
There is no god. Stop wasting your time.
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No worries :)
Seriously my Ferrari driving friend,
You are TOO SMART to believe in Islam or any Sky-God Fairy. Why do you waste the time with it? Also, how is evolution dealt with in Saudi Arabia?
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BUT why is alcohol drinking a sin?? get over these ridiculous faiths people.
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not to mention the use of SOUP and water to clean our asses after taking a dump.
What's the soup of the day? ??? ;D
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hey board muslims why the fuck is it a sin to drink a beer??????????? think for yourself and dont let yourself lead by some stupid faith
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hey board muslims why the fuck is it a sin to drink a beer??????????? think for yourself and dont let yourself lead by some stupid faith
Its not a sin for them to steal, stab people and rape women in Holland and France :D
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hey board muslims why the fuck is it a sin to drink a beer??????????? think for yourself and dont let yourself lead by some stupid faith
well, genius, by definition a "sin" is whatever a "faith" says it is.
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in Afghanistan the people produce hash and opium, yet they refuse to make wine from grapes
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well, genius, by definition a "sin" is whatever a "faith" says it is.
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Seriously my Ferrari driving friend,
You are TOO SMART to believe in Islam or any Sky-God Fairy. Why do you waste the time with it? Also, how is evolution dealt with in Saudi Arabia?
i strongly believe in Islam. i've read about every other religion, read about atheism and people who believe in no god and reached the conclusion that I'm on the right path. you do completely not agree with me, but it all makes sense to me.
evolution is not dealt with at all, no one believes in it. god said that he created Adam and Eve and they are the first of the human race.
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so because its written it must be true "ksa vbitriceps"?
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i strongly believe in Islam. i've read about every other religion, read about atheism and people who believe in no god and reached the conclusion that I'm on the right path. you do completely not agree with me, but it all makes sense to me.
evolution is not dealt with at all, no one believes in it. god said that he created Adam and Eve and they are the first of the human race.
Haha, how do they teach biology and the evolution of complex biological systems in KSA universities when nobody believes evolution? ;D
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gotta love how these religious nuts never question the legitimacy of their "faith". its written in a book so its true. haha
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hey board muslims why the fuck is it a sin to drink a beer??????????? think for yourself and dont let yourself lead by some stupid faith
we do have alcohol free beer, tastes the same but does not get you drunk.
i fail to see the appeal in alcohol, tastes bad and temporarily makes you stupid.... not for me.
in Afghanistan the people produce hash and opium, yet they refuse to make wine from grapes
they will get beheaded the minute they step foot in a real Islamic country.
drug dealers----death
Its not a sin for them to steal, stab people and rape women in Holland and France :D
once again, only Muslims by the name.
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we do have alcohol free beer, tastes the same but does not get you drunk.
i fail to see the appeal in alcohol, tastes bad and temporarily makes you stupid.... not for me.
ok. but why someone is a bad person for drinking alcohol?
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gotta love how these religious nuts never question the legitimacy of their "faith". its written in a book so its true. haha
ummmmmm. . .that's why it is called "faith."
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Haha, how do they teach biology and the evolution of complex biological systems in KSA universities when nobody believes evolution? ;D
i was referring to the "ape to man" evolution. maybe i misunderstood.
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i was referring to the "ape to man" evolution. maybe i misunderstood.
If we did evolve from apes, than why are there still apes, and men, but nothing in between? ???
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i was referring to the "ape to man" evolution. maybe i misunderstood.
Debussey was talking about the whole "the earth is a few thousand years old" evolution that many christians also seems to favor.
This type of belief does not work with everything from the studies of how species develop to studies of how the earth has developed as a planet and things like C14 dating techniques.
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Debussey was talking about the whole "the earth is a few thousand years old" evolution that many christians also seems to favor.
This type of belief does not work with everything from the studies of how species develop to studies of how the earth has developed as a planet and things like C14 dating techniques.
send Coach a pm, he will be more than happy to splain it to ya!
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ok. but why someone is a bad person for drinking alcohol?
what do you mean?.. in Islam or to me?
i don't care if you drink or not. and you're not Muslim so no one can call you bad.
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send Coach a pm, he will be more than happy to splain it to ya!
Coach is a serious idiot. He = almost as dumb as Sevastase. Both men believes that their personal beliefs = more valid than science.
Coach even has the audacity to debate the technical details around C14 dating, which involves concepts he has absolutely no ability to comprehend.
Just like Sevastase, Coach fails "critical thinking 101" :D
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i strongly believe in Islam. i've read about every other religion, read about atheism and people who believe in no god and reached the conclusion that I'm on the right path. you do completely not agree with me, but it all makes sense to me.
evolution is not dealt with at all, no one believes in it. god said that he created Adam and Eve and they are the first of the human race.
Your people are morons. Sorry. Americans have their batshit Christian idiots, but your people take it to a whole new level. What is ironic, you both worship the same Fairy in the sky yet do not find any common ground as you fight over which dead zombie is or is not the fairies son.
I can`t believe how many fall for this nonsense.
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what do you mean?.. in Islam or to me?
i don't care if you drink or not. and you're not Muslim so no one can call you bad.
What are your thoughts about the sheiks in KSA funding wahabbi schools that acts as the origin of many terrorists? :D
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Debussey was talking about the whole "the earth is a few thousand years old" evolution that many christians also seems to favor.
This type of belief does not work with everything from the studies of how species develop to studies of how the earth has developed as a planet and things like C14 dating techniques.
we don't have anything that mentions how old the earth is, on the contrary i believe that the stories in the Quran speak of a prophet "Noah" that lived for a thousand years.
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we don't have anything that mentions how old the earth is, on the contrary i believe that the stories in the Quran speak of a prophet "Noah" that lived for a thousand years.
LOL, so I take it you think fossils are placed by liberal scientists hoping to trick you into believing that life has evolved over billions of years in order to test your faith and resist the devil?
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we don't have anything that mentions how old the earth is, on the contrary i believe that the stories in the Quran speak of a prophet "Noah" that lived for a thousand years.
Debussey's error, sorry about that.
Yet, this ape2man thing is at conflict of interest with the prevailing thoughts in science. That must present a problem for the scientists (and it do seem like KSA folks = interested in science, as seen by the purchase of several supercomputers for scientific purposes recently).
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i strongly believe in Islam. i've read about every other religion, read about atheism and people who believe in no god and reached the conclusion that I'm on the right path. you do completely not agree with me, but it all makes sense to me.
evolution is not dealt with at all, no one believes in it. god said that he created Adam and Eve and they are the first of the human race.
Sorry my friend,
I do not respect any belief based on lies, superstitions, myth or faith. Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.
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LOL, so I take it you think fossils are placed by liberal scientists hoping to trick you into believing that life has evolved over billions of years in order to test your faith and resist the devil?
Adonis, your hatred for religious people runs very deep. Why?
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Adonis, your hatred for religious people runs very deep. Why?
Haven`t I explained this a million times over already?
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Haven`t I explained this a million times over already?
Would our civilization have reached the level it's at today without religion? ???
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Would our civilization have reached the level it's at today without religion? ???
Is there any indications that it would not?
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sorry guys, i've got a plane to catch.
SUNNY BEACH HERE I COME! :D
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Debussey's error, sorry about that.
Yet, this ape2man thing is at conflict of interest with the prevailing thoughts in science. That must present a problem for the scientists (and it do seem like KSA folks = interested in science, as seen by the purchase of several supercomputers for scientific purposes recently).
Surely the Muslims who seek Nuclear Weapons know that Uranium has a half-life of 4.47 billion years.
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sorry guys, i've got a plane to catch.
SUNNY BEACH HERE I COME! :D
The only reason why your plane flies or there even is a plane is because of Science. Remember that. You can pray to your sky god all day long and no amount of head bobbing will miracle your ass from point A to point B.
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Would our civilization have reached the level it's at today without religion? ???
Religion has done nothing but hinder our progress. You`d be hard pressed to find any notable religious scientist that has done anything.
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Surely the Muslims who seek Nuclear Weapons know that Uranium has a half-life of 4.47 billion years.
:D
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Is there any indications that it would not?
Religion helped to civilize savage people (that other wise would have remained savage) by fear? ???
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Surely the Muslims who seek Nuclear Weapons know that Uranium has a half-life of 4.47 billion years.
BINGO!
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Religion helped to civilize savage people (that other wise would have remained savage) by fear? ???
Can you prove this statement?
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god said that he created Adam and Eve and they are the first of the human race.
You retard... so you believe in & support incest... right?
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Religion helped to civilize savage people (that other wise would have remained savage) by fear? ???
Religion operates SOLELY on fear.
Technology and Social agreement of utilitarian goals are what civilize a society. Not religion.
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Religion helped to civilize savage people (that other wise would have remained savage) by fear? ???
Define Savage.
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Religion operates SOLELY on fear.
Technology and Social agreement of utilitarian goals are what civilize a society. Not religion.
Let me also add accumulation of adequate resources and agriculture as to what leads to civilization.
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Let me also add accumulation of adequate resources and agriculture as to what leads to civilization.
Bingo!
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Let me also add accumulation of adequate resources and agriculture as to what leads to civilization.
And let me add common language. With these and all of the above, you have yourselves a bonfide breeding ground for homo sapien non-nomadic civilization.
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Its interesting to note that those who oppose "faith" defend science. Religion and science are not at odds, in fact, God is a scientist. He created the heavens and Earth and di so through the arrangement and manipulation of the elements. True Adonis, I respect that you have all day to look up fun facts online but you're hypotheses require a "null" and religion is that null. Life is the observation that stems from the hypothesis that we are children of God. Death is the conclusion. HTH
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What happens when you die?
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What happens when you die?
What do you think? Please elaborate.
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religion was created to rule the masses,,,,, end of story, if you look at the 3 mian faiths, they all come from the same area and all have similar beleifs that were relevent at that ( medievil ) time..
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What happens when you die?
Why should "something" happen? You simply lose all the water and fluids in your body over time, then you turn to calcium phosphate and carbon.
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"What happens when we die?" One could say ..."depends on what you believe." But it doesn't depend on belief. Even what I believe, doesn't afford solace to millions of others, just millions like me. What happens when you die just happens regardless of belief, I believe in life before and after this earth life and I have faith that God will continue his scientific ways and hypothesize,test, observe, & conclude that I am worthy to live in peace and glory.
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Why should "something" happen? You simply lose all the water and fluids in your body over time, then you turn to carbon.
What happens your mind and senses though?
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Its interesting to note that those who oppose "faith" defend science. Religion and science are not at odds, in fact, God is a scientist. He created the heavens and Earth and di so through the arrangement and manipulation of the elements. True Adonis, I respect that you have all day to look up fun facts online but you're hypotheses require a "null" and religion is that null. Life is the observation that stems from the hypothesis that we are children of God. Death is the conclusion. HTH
does god exist?
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What happens your mind and senses though?
They cease. The same as before you were born.
Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am
not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?
-- Epicurus
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Epikur.jpg)
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Do you? I have faith that what I perceive as existence allows God to exist just as you exist. Abscence makes the heart grow harder. Unless you have faith. One can't transfer faith like other emotion, faith is a belief in a reward, just like science is. I love science and faith. (BTW-I'm typing on my G-1 as I'm away from home) I'm slow too BTW....um at typing I mean.
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Do you? I have faith that what I perceive as existence allows God to exist just as you exist. Abscence makes the heart grow harder. Unless you have faith. One can't transfer faith like other emotion, faith is a belief in a reward, just like science is. I love science and faith. (BTW-I'm typing on my G-1 as I'm away from home) I'm slow too BTW....um at typing I mean.
Please do not ever put faith and science in the same sentence ever again. They are unrelated, not dependent on each other, nor are they reciprocal in any way. They are far and unrelated as you can get. Science REQUIRES fact and evidence and repetition and duplication of results. Faith requires nothing.
Faith and religion teaches nothing but satisfaction in NOT trying to understand the world. Faith is useless and I cannot think of a single instance where it is relevant.
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youve got to understand,,,, a few 100 yrs ago you be burned at the stake for claiming the world was round... true story....
faith has moved on to suit modern beliefs and facts.. which just shows what a big farce it all is...
for the bible bashers,, do animals, plants and trees go to heaven too..
and to the muslims, what happens when they run out of virgins, will suicide bombings end?
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They cease. The same as before you were born.
Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am
not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?
-- Epicurus
"Death is not an event of life. Death is not lived through.
If by eternity is understood not endless temporal duration but timelessness, then he lives eternally who lives in the present.
Our life is endless in the way that our visual field is without limit."
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youve got to understand,,,, a few 100 yrs ago you be burned at the stake for claiming the world was round... true story....
faith has moved on to suit modern beliefs and facts.. which just shows what a big farce it all is...
for the bible bashers,, do animals, plants and trees go to heaven too..
and to the muslims, what happens when they run out of virgins, will suicide bombings end?
I would love to see all of the Religious people sequestered in a single area. We can call it Stupidland. They would assuredly destroy themselves entirely in under a decade as they fight over which zombie is the king and kill each other hoping to garner the attention of the "mind" of the eternal fairy in the sky.
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religious people are stupid and are easely to mobilise.
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I would love to see all of the Religious people sequestered in a single area. We can call it Stupidland. My good senses tell me they would destroy themselves entirely in under a decade as they fight over which zombie is the king and the "mind" of the eternal fairy in the sky.
Lets make another country for sub90IQ monkeys and criminal dipshits and refuse to supply them with food, free technology or anything. Let them self-organize, and trade with them as other countries.
They'd be fucked within a few years.
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I think all muslims should have alcohol on their skin.
If someone were to accidentally light a match....... :-X
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I would love to see all of the Religious people sequestered in a single area. We can call it Stupidland. My good senses tell me they would destroy themselves entirely in under a decade as they fight over which zombie is the king and the "mind" of the eternal fairy in the sky.
Most all wars are fought over religion when they all teach non-violence. WTF?
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They are cohabitants in this existence. Facts, evidence, repitition, duplication. Based on the faith that this process will reward the observer, fufill the repeater, enlarge the existence of the fact finder. It is a faith in the method to produce a result time and time again that allows scientists to hypothesize. What is a hypothesis? A tentative insight into the natural world. Sounds to me like it requires a whole lot of faith to make something so delicate as a "tentative" insight.
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Most all wars are fought over religion when they all teach non-violence. WTF?
;D
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
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but the quran teaches love and respct to others., islam is a peacefull faith, its just some abuse it.. ::)
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They are cohabitants in this existence. Facts, evidence, repitition, duplication. Based on the faith that this process will reward the observer, fufill the repeater, enlarge the existence of the fact finder. It is a faith in the method to produce a result time and time again that allows scientists to hypothesize. What is a hypothesis? A tentative insight into the natural world. Sounds to me like it requires a whole lot of faith to make something so delicate as a "tentative" insight.
Wrong.
If a hypothesis is contrary to the evidence of a concluded experiment, that hypothesis is discarded. There is no faith involved.
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Its interesting to note that those who oppose "faith" defend science. Religion and science are not at odds, in fact, God is a scientist. He created the heavens and Earth and di so through the arrangement and manipulation of the elements. True Adonis, I respect that you have all day to look up fun facts online but you're hypotheses require a "null" and religion is that null. Life is the observation that stems from the hypothesis that we are children of God. Death is the conclusion. HTH
Go to any Creationist "museum" or watch any Kent Hovind youtube clip and then come back and tell me that religion and science are not at odds with each other.
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Wrong.
If a hypothesis is contrary to the evidence of a concluded experiment, that hypothesis is discarded. There is no faith involved.
Furthermore YOU religious people believe a hypothesis with ZERO evidence or even when the evidence is OVERWHELMINGLY contradictory. THAT is the very essence and definition of faith, believing something without any evidence or believing in spite of the mountain of evidence.
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All religious types sequestered on an island. A people with adequate food and no natural dominating predator will shrink in size, not kill each other.
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All religious types sequestered on an island. A people with adequate food and no natural dominating predator will shrink in size, not kill each other.
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All religious types sequestered on an island. A people with adequate food and no natural dominating predator will shrink in size, not kill each other.
You mean you'd all be 5'6 within a generation or two?
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Australopithicus aferens, no natural predator. (Please remember that I'm on my G-1...very slow) If you wish me not to post, I understand but I can't reply that fast.) Faith in the outcome of a hypothesis. Did polychronopoulis really hypothesize that "I believe that going to a creationist museum and watching youtube clips of Kent Hovind will prove that science and religion are polar opposites?" Did you? Or were you happy that your search to find like minded individuals more eloquent and verbose than you existed to amplify your belief? That sounds like a faith based seardch.
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I thought muslims get to fuck 100 virgins when they die??
Yet sex before marriage is not allowed is it not?
Im confused
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I respect True Adonis' utter belief in the dominance of Science but can't figure out why anyone else's belief in religion is so distasteful and repugnant to him. It's as if religion in this day and age is harmful to your personal science. I could understand if you were a stem-cell advocate (although restrictions are lessening thank God...JK) but why at any mention of religion do you spew vitriol on the poster. My hypothesis/tentaive conjecture? You hate faith because you wanted at some point to love it....Dr.Phil moment.
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Australopithicus aferens, no natural predator. (Please remember that I'm on my G-1...very slow) If you wish me not to post, I understand but I can't reply that fast.) Faith in the outcome of a hypothesis. Did polychronopoulis really hypothesize that "I believe that going to a creationist museum and watching youtube clips of Kent Hovind will prove that science and religion are polar opposites?" Did you? Or were you happy that your search to find like minded individuals more eloquent and verbose than you existed to amplify your belief? That sounds like a faith based seardch.
In this guys mind he really thinks he is making sense.
It amazes me.
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I amaze you? Sweet.....Lastly, on th muslim and alcohol issue (careful, cause this will be amazing) I'm pretty sure they can't stand sun light and you can't feed em' after midnight. HTH
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I amaze you? Sweet.....Lastly, on th muslim and alcohol issue (careful, cause this will be amazing) I'm pretty sure they can't stand sun light and you can't feed em' after midnight. HTH
Way to love your fellow man, godboy.
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why are atheists so violent towards the believers (as in everyday people), yet the believers don't really give a shit about the atheists?
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why are atheists so violent towards the believers (as in everyday people), yet the believers don't really give a shit about the atheists?
Are you joking? Statistics show that atheists are the least violent of all groups ranked by "religious (or not) affiliation".
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why are atheists so violent towards the believers (as in everyday people), yet the believers don't really give a shit about the atheists?
It the same ole thing from relgious people forever, yet killing people is right? Most all wars is over religion.
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That was a Gremlins reference to the way the original thread was worded. That's all. At the moment I cracked myself up, not the best litmus test for the funny. Anyway, Godboy?
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why are atheists so violent towards the believers (as in everyday people), yet the believers don't really give a shit about the atheists?
Because they are always knocking on our doors with pamphlets. When's the last time a door to door athiest bothered you at dinner time?
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Its not a sin for them to steal, stab people and rape women in Holland and France :D
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Not a sin for them to blow up a group of children walking to school before heading out to gang rape and behead a 13 year old Christian girl either. :)
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That was a Gremlins reference
We got it.
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Because they are always knocking on our doors with pamphlets. When's the last time a door to door athiest bothered you at dinner time?
Spot on i have never had a athiest knock on my door for money
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I think the problem here is that "religion", or better "spirituality" is mistaken for "religious fundamentalism". Those are two different, almost opposing concepts.
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Spot on i have never had a athiest knock on my door for money
'Give me your address there.'
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Door to door atheist. That was funny.. "Hello were atheists and we were never here tonight and neither is God."
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;D
Not a sin for them to blow up a group of children walking to school before heading out to gang rape and behead a 13 year old Christian girl either. :)
When did they gang rape and behead a 13 year old christian girl? :o
/Napalm anyone?
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BTW, looking diesel there KSA.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t25/ait_z28/IMG_5041.jpg)
But I see a little belly button action there, isn't that kind of not allowed? ;D
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Wow. Do you collect... stuff?
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Are you joking? Statistics show that atheists are the least violent of all groups ranked by "religious (or not) affiliation".
haha exactly.
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why are atheists so violent towards the believers (as in everyday people), yet the believers don't really give a shit about the atheists?
You dont hear on the News 'A train was bombed by a suicide athiest bomber' now do you?
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haha exactly.
Mars time for another porno pic ;D
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I think the problem here is that "religion", or better "spirituality" is mistaken for "religious fundamentalism". Those are two different, almost opposing concepts.
Even the moderates or the "spiritual" but not religious crowd pave the way to being satisifed in NOT understanding the Universe as it is. It also paves the way for Scientific Fact and Evidence to take a back seat to superstition. Lastly, it permits the existence of fundamentalism as it is but a few steps back since the supernatural and mythological element is concurrent from the "spiritual" to the extremist.
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I think the problem here is that "religion", or better "spirituality" is mistaken for "religious fundamentalism". Those are two different, almost opposing concepts.
Also the "spiritual" allow respect for faith to permeate when it is simply a belief in something without evidence or contrary to all evidence.
The spiritual should also be treated as ignorant because they are too scared to simply say "I don`t know" or rather, "we are still working on that". Instead they attribute some sort of asinine mysticism in the hopes of seeking a pattern or a connection that they can understand even though it is based on nonsense or "feeling".
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Even the moderates or the "spiritual" but not religious crowd pave the way to being satisifed in NOT understanding the Universe as it is. It also paves the way for Scientific Fact and Evidence to take a back seat to superstition. Lastly, it permits the existence of fundamentalism as it is but a few steps back since the supernatural and mythological element is concurrent from the "spiritual" to the extremist.
I disagree. One has to understand the difference between scientific findings as they relate to the scientific aspects of the world and holistic statements made e.g. by philosophy and theology. I have absolutely no problem with evolution theory as it relates to the biologic aspect of mankind. However, this does not mean that these biologic aspects are all there is to humankind. Understanding the universe in all its aspects is not something natural science is able to deliver, simply by definition of natural science. I agree that there should be absolutely no reason to limit or compete with science in any way based on religious believes (see e.g. intelligent design / creationism), that is not the true purpose of spirituality at all.
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Even the moderates or the "spiritual" but not religious crowd pave the way to being satisifed in NOT understanding the Universe as it is. It also paves the way for Scientific Fact and Evidence to take a back seat to superstition. Lastly, it permits the existence of fundamentalism as it is but a few steps back since the supernatural and mythological element is concurrent from the "spiritual" to the extremist.
Nothing wrong with a little mythology 'Adonis.' Some of out greatest truths are expressed in allegory. That's how I prefer to see religion in general. Throw all figurative expression out the window and you're eliminating art in general.
No one ever makes trouble about allegorical truths. It's always some disagreement about interpretation of literal truth that leads to conflict, it seems.
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Isn't bodybuilding disallowed in islam because of the narcicism?
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Nothing wrong with a little mythology 'Adonis.' Some of out greatest truths are expressed in allegory. That's how I prefer to see religion in general. Throw all figurative expression out the window and you're eliminating art in general.
No one ever makes trouble about allegorical truths. It's always some disagreement about interpretation of literal truth that leads to conflict, it seems.
Of course. I love morality, allegory, literature and fiction. My love for poetry and novels as well as philosophy though is no way supernatural nor is it for anyone else.
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Isn't bodybuilding disallowed in islam because of the narcicism?
Have no idea, but Islam forbids faggotry.
Yet all these arabs drool over each others ripped asses at the BB stage :D
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I disagree. One has to understand the difference between scientific findings as they relate to the scientific aspects of the world and holistic statements made e.g. by philosophy and theology. I have absolutely no problem with evolution theory as it relates to the biologic aspect of mankind. However, this does not mean that these biologic aspects are all there is to humankind. Understanding the universe in all its aspects is not something natural science is able to deliver, simply by definition of natural science. I agree that there should be absolutely no reason to limit or compete with science in any way based on religious believes (see e.g. intelligent design / creationism), that is not the true purpose of spirituality at all.
There is NOTHING supernatural or mystical to the concept of ideas or the interpretation thereof. I challenge you to provide an example.
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I disagree. One has to understand the difference between scientific findings as they relate to the scientific aspects of the world and holistic statements made e.g. by philosophy and theology. I have absolutely no problem with evolution theory as it relates to the biologic aspect of mankind. However, this does not mean that these biologic aspects are all there is to humankind. Understanding the universe in all its aspects is not something natural science is able to deliver, simply by definition of natural science. I agree that there should be absolutely no reason to limit or compete with science in any way based on religious believes (see e.g. intelligent design / creationism), that is not the true purpose of spirituality at all.
Also as a side note: evolution is not only applicable to humans nor has it ever been considered solely in an anthropocentric sense. Evolution applies to all life down to the DNA level.
I think you are also confusing artistry with in some way being mystical or supernatural.
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There is NOTHING supernatural or mystical to the concept of ideas or the interpretation thereof. I challenge you to provide an example.
I would formulate differently to avoid further complication and argueing over the terms "supernatural" and "mystical" (I probably have a different definition than you). So let's just postulate the following statement: "There is nothing to the world other than what (natural) science can say about it. I challenge you to provide an example showing the opposite."
With such a statement, you already provided the example yourself. That statement is clearly a statement not derived using the methods of natural science. You must have used a body of thought different to natural science to come to such a conclusion. Simply because, a true natural scientist is not allowed to deal with anything outside the scope, methods, and restrictions implied by natural science. Therfeore he cannot say anything about what is outside this scope, foremost whether or not there actually is anything outside it at all. To be able to make the statement that there is nothing beyond the aspects of reality he is able to deal with, he already must have stepped outside the realm of science.
So by making such a statement, you in fact have become a philospher.
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I would formulate differently to avoid further complication and argueing over the terms "supernatural" and "mystical" (I probably have a different definition than you). So let's just postulate the following statement: "There is nothing to the world other than what (natural) science can say about it. I challenge you to provide an example showing the opposite."
With such a statement, you already provided the example yourself. That statement is clearly a statement not derived using the methods of natural science. You must have used a body of thought different to natural science to come to such a conclusion. Simply because, a true natural scientist is not allowed to deal with anything outside the scope, methods, and restrictions implied by natural science. Therfeore he cannot say anything about what is outside this scope, foremost whether or not there actually is anything outside it at all. To be able to make the statement that there is nothing beyond the aspects of reality he is able to deal with, he already must have stepped outside the realm of science.
So by making such a statement, you in fact have become a philospher.
I don`t understand your point at all. There is no such thing as a limitation on Science itself. Our ability to interpret and analyze may be limited, but that in no way invites the supernatural or spiritual. I also didn`t write what you quoted. Again, name something "outside the scope".
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I don`t understand your point at all. There is no such thing as a limitation on Science. I also didn`t write what you quoted. Again, name something "outside the scope".
Of course there are limitation to science. A natural scientist is limited to the methods of science.
The easiest example of concepts that are essential to science, meaning they are not defined within science but taken for granted, are the concepts of space and time. There is no natural scientific explanation of what space and time is. The scientific aspect of space e.g. is that in certain scientific models of it, it has 3 measurable dimensions. That however does not explain what space is, it merely takes a few observable aspects of it and uses them in certain models. The fact that science always operates on models of reality alone implies a reduction of reality of course.
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Our ability to interpret and analyze may be limited, but that in no way invites the supernatural or spiritual.
I agree to the extend that the supernatural or spiritual can never be invited to a scientific-positivistic world view. That goes without saying.
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Of course there are limitation to science. A natural scientist is limited to the methods of science.
The easiest example of concepts that are essential to science, meaning they are not defined within science but taken for granted, are the concepts of space and time. There is no natural scientific explanation of what space and time is. The scientific aspect of space e.g. is that in certain scientific models of it, it has 3 measurable dimensions. That however does not explain what space is, it merely takes a few observable aspects of it and uses them in certain models. The fact that science always operates on models of reality alone implies a reduction of reality of course.
These are merely hypothesis that are being tested and yet to be tested with the technology and equations we have. Nothing mystic, supernatural or spiritual or out of the realms of Science. Hawking has gone to 11 dimensions. He didn`t just claim it. He backed with theoretical physics and equations. Just as Dark Matter and the Multiverse theory are being posited. They are not merely based on whims. Carl Sagan wonderfully explains the 4th dimension here:
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i think muslims should bomb building and christians should burn women with red hair
oldschool bitch!
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These are merely hypothesis that are yet to be tested with the technology and equations we have. Nothing mystic, supernatural or spiritual or out of the realms of Science. Hawking has gone to 11 dimensions. He didn`t just claim it. He backed with theoretical physics and equations. Just as Dark Matter and the Multiverse theory are being posited. They are not merely based on whims. Carl Sagan wonderfully explains the 4th dimension here:
That's why I said "certain models". I know of other models with more dimensions. That's not the point. Hawkins himself made the following statements (I can also provide the exact quotes, these are just analogous quotes as I remember them):
A scientifc theory is (nothing more than) a mathematical model.
We cannot say what time (or space) actually is.
For a scientist, the question of existence has no meaning.
As scientists, we cannot determine what is real.
I never said that scientific theories are whims. They are what they are: scientific theories describing certain aspects of reality within certain scientific models of reality.
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Mathematics and physics = for fags and computerclub members.
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That's why I said "certain models". I know of other models with more dimensions. That's not the point. Hawkins himself made the following statements (I can also provide the exact quotes, these are just analogous quotes as I remember them):
A scientifc theory is (nothing more than) a mathematical model.
We cannot say what time (or space) actually is.
For a scientist, the question of existence has no meaning.
As scientists, we cannot determine what is real.
I never said that scientific theories are whims. They are what they are: scientific theories describing certain aspects of reality within certain scientific models of reality.
I am still wondering where you insert the "spiritual" or "supernatural" in all of this.
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I am still wondering where you insert the "spiritual" or "supernatural" in all of this.
That's a valid question of course. The problem is that first we have to come to common ground on the body of thought that must be used to discuss such topics. As long as we are pure natural scientists, such questions must not even arise. For a scientist, there should never be a distinction between the "natural" and the "supernatural". He is only concerned about what he can observe and how it translates into scientific theories. Whether the observations he makes are classified "natural" or "supernatural" is completely irrelevant to him.
So what scientific positivists (like e.g. Dawkins) really mean when they talk about the "supernatural" is in fact just scientific superstition, as e.g. the whole concept of "inteligent design". The "supernatural" in such theories is of course to be dismissed by any serious scientist. Scientific positivists tend to make the mistake of thinking the difference between "natural" and "supernatural" is in fact the difference between "within the scientifc realm" and "without the scientific realm". In this case however, as mentioned before, they can say absolutely nothing about the latter.
The point is that natural science explains neither the "natural" nor the "supernatural" in it's entirety. This distinction (if it is made at all) can only be made in the philosophic realm in the first place.
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That's a valid question of course. The problem is that first we have to come to common ground on the body of thought that must be used to discuss such topics. As long as we are pure natural scientists, such questions must not even arise. For a scientist, there should never be a distinction between the "natural" and the "supernatural". He is only concerned about what he can observe and how it translates into scientific theories. Whether the observations he makes are classified "natural" or "supernatural" is completely irrelevant to him.
So what scientific positivists (like e.g. Dawkins) really mean when they talk about the "supernatural" is in fact just scientific superstition, as e.g. the whole concept of "inteligent design". The "supernatural" in such theories is of course to be dismissed by any serious scientist. Scientific positivists tend to make the mistake of thinking the difference between "natural" and "supernatural" is in fact the difference between "within the scientifc realm" and "without the scientific realm". In this case however, as mentioned before, they can say absolutely nothing about the latter.
The point is that natural science explains neither the "natural" nor the "supernatural" in it's entirety. This distinction (if it is made at all) can only be made in the philosophic realm in the first place.
What do you mean "they can say absolutely nothing about the latter"? That doesn`t make much sense without any examples.
You still have yet to clarify something "out of the scientific realm". Again, just because we cannot test something or lack the technology to do so as of yet does not mean you ascribe it as "supernatural" or "out of the realm" or "mystical". It is completely within reason to say, "we are still working on defining that, understanding that or developing a method that explains X". It is also reasonable to say, "we don`t know yet". But it is utterly nonsensical to posit it as "unknowable" or "spiritual".
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i cant understand a thing about what these guys say here.
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Back to the original issue:
I am sure the one in the middle smells good!
(http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2006/April/Images/h1.jpg)
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i cant understand a thing about what these guys say here.
Debussey can't either. It's all gibberish for nerds >:(
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What do you mean "they can say absolutely nothing about the latter"? That doesn`t make much sense without any examples.
You still have yet to clarify something "out of the scientific realm". Again, just because we cannot test something or lack the technology to do so as of yet does not mean you ascribe it as "supernatural" or "out of the realm" or "mystical". It is completely within reason to say, "we are still working on defining that, understanding that or developing a method that explains X". It is also reasonable to say, "we don`t know yet". But it is utterly nonsensical to posit it as "unknowable" or "spiritual".
I already provided an example: space and time, which e.g. Hawkins agrees with. There are of course many philosophic attempts to explain what space and time are, e.g. by Kant, who came to the conclusion that they are the pure forms of human perception. In any case, these philosophic explanations do not in any way compete with scientific theories concerning only certain scientific aspects of space and time as formulated in the used scientific models.
The point is not what new scientific theories might reveal in the future. It's a matter of principle. Whatever new scientific theories will arise, they are always confined to the same concepts and restrictions, or as Hawkins would put it: a scientist is not concerned with what is real, that is not a scientific topic.
Scientifically observable phenomena which cannot yet be formulated into scientific theories are just that of course. There is absolutely nothing mystical or spiritual about them, I fully agree with that.
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Debussey can't either. It's all gibberish for nerds >:(
I'm pretty sure you read "Universe in a Nutshell", the quotes are from this book. :)
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I'm pretty sure you read "Universe in a Nutshell", the quotes are from this book. :)
Debussey understands NOTHING >:(
It can barely read, and has only read 2 books its entire life.
>:(
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Debussey understands NOTHING >:(
It can barely read, and has only read 2 books its entire life.
>:(
name them
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I already provided an example: space and time, which e.g. Hawkins agrees with. There are of course many philosophic attempts to explain what space and time are, e.g. by Kant, who came to the conclusion that they are the pure forms of human perception. In any case, these philosophic explanations do not in any way compete with scientific theories concerning only certain scientific aspects of space and time as formulated in the used scientific models.
The point is not what new scientific theories might reveal in the future. It's a matter of principle. Whatever new scientific theories will arise, they are always confined to the same concepts and restrictions, or as Hawkins would put it: a scientist is not concerned with what is real, that is not a scientific topic.
Scientifically observable phenomena which cannot yet be formulated into scientific theories are just that of course. There is absolutely nothing mystical or spiritual about them, I fully agree with that.
So what is it that we were disagreeing about? :D
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name them
They were 2 Donald Duck pocket books >:(
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I'm pretty sure you read "Universe in a Nutshell", the quotes are from this book. :)
I re-read that a few months ago as I got the new updated edition. What irks me is how so many people misquote him and try to use him in some sort of "spiritual" way or pertaining to "god".
They try the same nonsense with Einstein and I am not going to have it! >:(
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I leave for a few hours and you sons of bitches leave me with 6 pages of catching up to do. Aside from TrueAdonis and Wavelength it has been stated that muslims can have alcohol on their skin. Then why the bad body odor? is it a cultural thing? or is it one of those things that they are not made aware of by outside cultures? Just like white people didn't know they couldn't dance untill someone had the balls to tell them.
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i think muslims should bomb building and christians should burn women with red hair
oldschool bitch!
I think you are heavily intoxicated!
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So what is it that we were disagreeing about? :D
Well, about the possibility of anything spiritual in general and particularly what body of thought would be needed to make statements on the subject.
If we have agreed upon the fact that such topics can only be discussed in the philosophic realm, one could of course argue (philosophically) for or against e.g. the existence of God, etc. I just made an argument against the notion that science would provide any evidence for or against the spiritual, which clearly it cannot.
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I re-read that a few months ago as I got the new updated edition. What irks me is how so many people misquote him and try to use him in some sort of "spiritual" way or pertaining to "god".
They try the same nonsense with Einstein and I am not going to have it! >:(
He is a scientific positivist, no doubt about that. He contradicts himself many times in the book (basically whenever he becomes a pseudo-philospher without noticing), but the quotes I presented are legit.
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Your people are morons. Sorry. Americans have their batshit Christian idiots, but your people take it to a whole new level. What is ironic, you both worship the same Fairy in the sky yet do not find any common ground as you fight over which dead zombie is or is not the fairies son.
I can`t believe how many fall for this nonsense.
Surely the Muslims who seek Nuclear Weapons know that Uranium has a half-life of 4.47 billion years.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Agreed. Half-life and carbon-14 are anti-evolutionist greatest "enemies" ;D
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im catching up with your mom almost, shes scrawling to reach the phone haha.
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im catching up with your mom almost, shes scrawling to reach the phone haha.
mars need porno pics to lighten things up here
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im catching up with your mom almost, shes scrawling to reach the phone haha.
Good one, i'm dying from laughter.....you really got me this time.
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Well, about the possibility of anything spiritual in general and particularly what body of thought would be needed to make statements on the subject.
If we have agreed upon the fact that such topics can only be discussed in the philosophic realm, one could of course argue (philosophically) for or against e.g. the existence of God, etc. I just made an argument against the notion that science would provide any evidence for or against the spiritual, which clearly it cannot.
You didn`t make any argument of the sort at all. Read Special and general Relativity by Einstein if you want to learn more about Space Time. Science always debunks the "spiritual". There is NOTHING "spiritual" about Space Time and have no clue why you posit otherwise. There are MANY scientists devoted solely to explaining away YOUR spiritualism.
You need to define the "spiritual". You have yet to do so.
You cannot make the leap in logic as you do, to make any argument for the Supernatural or spiritual or the existence for a god. It makes zero sense whatsoever.
You are "backdooring" because we may lack the technology at this time to accurately test certain hypothesis.
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I think you are heavily intoxicated!
easy there bud
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You didn`t make any argument of the sort at all. Read Special and general Relativity by Einstein if you want to learn more about Space Time. Science always debunks the "spiritual". There is NOTHING "spiritual" about Space Time and have no clue why you posit otherwise. There are MANY scientists devoted solely to explaining away YOUR spiritualism.
You need to define the "spiritual". You have yet to do so.
You cannot make the leap in logic as you do, to make any argument for the Supernatural or spiritual or the existence for a god. It makes zero sense whatsoever.
You are "backdooring" because we may lack the technology at this time to accurately test certain hypothesis.
As I said, it's a matter of principle, the theory of relativity deals only with certain scientific aspects of space and time just as newtonian physics before and quantum mechanics afterwards. Scientists may be devoted to "explain away" spirituality, in this case they are mislead in thinking they still act within the realm of science though. I did not make a leap of logic at all, my argument was solely based on simple logic. Your last statement was already adressed.
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Well, about the possibility of anything spiritual in general and particularly what body of thought would be needed to make statements on the subject.
If we have agreed upon the fact that such topics can only be discussed in the philosophic realm, one could of course argue (philosophically) for or against e.g. the existence of God, etc. I just made an argument against the notion that science would provide any evidence for or against the spiritual, which clearly it cannot.
I don`t understand why you would think that a philosophic topic eludes Science and free from rationality. This makes no sense at all. You want there to be something that can`t be explained so you can claim it transcends Science by default. That is an impossible leap in logic to automatically attribute something we are still learning about as being above our means to do so.
If you told George Washington that wars will be fought in the skies with weapons capable of killing hundred of thousands and millions of people at the drop of a hat, he would give you the blankest of stares and probably accuse you of eating Lead-laden rations.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
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As I said, it's a matter of principle, the theory of relativity deals only with certain scientific aspects of space and time just as newtonian physics before and quantum mechanics afterwards. Scientists may be devoted to "explain away" spirituality, in this case they are mislead in thinking they still act within the realm of science though. I did not make a leap of logic at all, my argument was solely based on simple logic. Your last statement was already adressed.
So you are claiming that "spirituality" is immune to reason, rationality and is incapable of being proven false? Again, define spirituality as you believe it to be. I don`t understand why you think it is off limits or unable to be proven false just because you think it. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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I don`t understand why you would think that a philosophic topic eludes Science and free from rationality. This makes no sense at all. You want there to be something that can`t be explained so you can claim it transcends Science by default. That is an impossible leap in logic to automatically attribute something we are still learning about as being above our means to do so.
I'm sorry but that was not my argument at all.
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So you are claiming that "spirituality" is immune to reason, rationality and is incapable of being proven false? Again, define spirituality as you believe it to be. I don`t understand why you think it is off limits or unable to be proven false just because you think it. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Of course not, philosophy is solely based on reason and rationality.
And of course it is capable of being proven false - philosophically, that is.
Nothing is off limits.
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I'm sorry but that was not my argument at all.
In one concise sentence, what is your argument? It has gotten so ambiguous and convoluted with our banter that whatever your point is has been lost in Space and in Time.
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DEbussey don't understand any of it either.
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In one concise sentence, what is your argument? It has gotten so ambiguous and convoluted with our banter that whatever your point is has been lost in Space and in Time.
Maybe then we should end it here because I could only repeat what I have already argued before.
When I first came to GB, I participated in a thread about the topic, which was much more elaborate:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198162.0
In any case, I enjoyed the discussion.
I know that you are very outspoken on the topic, no problem to disagree I hope. :)
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Maybe then we should end it here because I could only repeat what I have already argued before.
When I first came to GB, I participated in a thread about the topic, which was much more elaborate:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=198162.0
In any case, I enjoyed the discussion.
I know that you are very outspoken on the topic, no problem to disagree I hope. :)
Of course not! People always take my sometimes direct manner of posting as somehow as an immediate attack. I am glad that you did not my friend. I will check out that thread and see if it offers any insight.
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Do you understand anything of what these goofs = talking about? >:(
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Do you understand anything of what these goofs = talking about? >:(
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Do you understand anything of what these goofs = talking about? >:(
these are brainiacs lost on a bodybuilding board.
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these are brainiacs lost on a bodybuilding board.
Mars how about some hot ladies pic to lighten them up?
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Mars how about some hot ladies pic to lighten them up?
ron warned me not to post porn anymore dude.
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who ever told you that doesn't know anything.
we use perfumes and they do have alcohol, how about alcohol wipes?? alcohol is forbidden to drink only!
bad body odor in general? i don't think so.. we clean ourselves five times a day for each prayer, not to mention the use of SOUP and water to clean our asses after taking a dump.
case dismissed!
LOL. I have a Muslim bud, and every time he has a drink he just shrugs and says he's a 'bad Muslim.' We love him, of course. Good dude. Got us 3 HRs today. :)
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i'm drinking a fine moskovskaya vodka redbull right now
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i'm drinking a fine moskovskaya vodka redbull right now
Ever tried this one?
(http://www.pressfiles.net/absolut/raspberri/ABSOLUT_FAMILY.jpg)
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No, cuz it can absorb through your skin and intoxicate you. Same with pork. Must avoid contact at all costs!
On a serious note, I have never heard of this and can safely say that I (and oher muslims I know) have always used deodarents and colognes. I have heard other equally stupid stuff, however.
It could be that your friend is just not used to wearing deoderant. In general, middle-class or educated muslims have pretty good hygeine. This is due to the constant washing required for ritual prayers, and the general stance on cleanliness in the muslim religion, which includes regular removal of armpit and pubic hair.
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alcohol in deodorants are allowed to use.
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I slam
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No, cuz it can absorb through your skin and intoxicate you. Same with pork. Must avoid contact at all costs!
what a crock of shit.
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This is due to the constant washing required for ritual prayers, and the general stance on cleanliness in the muslim religion, which includes regular removal of armpit and pubic hair.
Good ol' pubic hair........spend all those years wanting/trying to grow it to spend a lot of time shaving and trimming it up now. Irony at it's best.
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I thought muslims get to fuck 100 virgins when they die??
Sounds like a fucking chore to me.
Can't they throw in a few well-seasoned sluts ?
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Non Bodybuilding related: Question for Muslim Getbiggers, as an AMERICAN living in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia( Muslim Country) as well as having traveled to Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar. I've noticed bad body odor on the regular. According to NON muslims i've spoken with this is do to the fact that muslims can't have alcohol on their skin, eliminating the use of MOST deodorants and other B.O products. I respect religious beliefs so i'm just wondering, for further knowledge, where it states this belief and what's the reasoning behind it? DISCUSS NOW!!!
you mention mostly 3rd world countries...poor people that dont have food cant afford deodorant :-\
go to greece and the buses there the same as they smell like in india... with christian people on the bus
<only more feta..less curry to the stench>
and as far as i know..only ingestion of alkie is forbidden
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bad body odor in general? i don't think so.. we clean ourselves five times a day for each prayer, not to mention the use of SOUP and water to clean our asses after taking a dump.
i once cleaned my ass with paked potatoe soup....
it burned a bit :(
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Mosques smell bad as well
a good carpet shampoo would do the trick
most mosques in America r full of cab drivers...african and pakistani...
and yes..most cab drivers DO smell
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BUT why is alcohol drinking a sin?? get over these ridiculous faiths people.
anything that "causes one of behave differently and makes ya less propable to use better judgement is a sin"
although...Hash is BIG in muslim countries ;D...since it wasn't around in mohammeds time i guess ..soo the koran specifically does not forbid it..
although technically then as far as alkie goes..only "khamar" (wine) is forbidden :-\
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Its not a sin for them to steal, stab people and rape women in Holland and France :D
actually it is a sin ....
however ya put a brown or a black dood living in a sexually opressive society...being virgins till they hit 35 and put a buncha goodlooking blondie girls in front of em...
and some of em just up n loose it :-\
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Which is a worse sin, eating pork or drinking alcohol?
The muslims I know will drink but won't eat pork.
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i strongly believe in Islam. i've read about every other religion, read about atheism and people who believe in no god and reached the conclusion that I'm on the right path. you do completely not agree with me, but it all makes sense to me.
evolution is not dealt with at all, no one believes in it. god said that he created Adam and Eve and they are the first of the human race.
Islam got a few scientific things right..
the big bang is actually mentioned in the koran...so is..life coming from water (the ocean)..and the moon is referred to as a satellite (ie earth not considered the center of the universe)..amongst other things i forget...
HOWEVER...fact remains..no one has ever seen god :-\
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haha, washing your ass with soup....
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Debussey was talking about the whole "the earth is a few thousand years old" evolution that many christians also seems to favor.
This type of belief does not work with everything from the studies of how species develop to studies of how the earth has developed as a planet and things like C14 dating techniques.
i just googled this site...
dont friggin hold me to it >:(
http://scienceislam.com/
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Have no idea, but Islam forbids faggotry.
Yet all these arabs drool over each others ripped asses at the BB stage :D
DB....humanity has "been helped" ..not by god though
Toxic firmly believs..evidence everywhere
for example
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6389157.stm
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Which is a worse sin, eating pork or drinking alcohol?
The muslims I know will drink but won't eat pork.
my brother considers himself a muslim..
he eats pork
n drinks..A LOT
his excuse..."christian people dont go to friggin church everyday" :-\
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my brother considers himself a muslim..
he eats pork
n drinks..A LOT
his excuse..."christian people dont go to friggin church everyday" :-\
at the end it doesnt matter shit how we lived like.
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at the end it doesnt matter shit how we lived like.
well in the moral context...
religious people r good cause they fear god...and want a reward..ie heaven
athiests...well we r just good! we dont expect any rewards! ;D
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well in the moral context...
religious people r good cause they fear god...and want a reward..ie heaven
athiests...well we r just good! we dont expect any rewards! ;D
how sour will their taste be when they realise theres no heaven :'(
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is this guy on getbig?
(http://images41.fotki.com/v1243/photos/1/1222605/5425932/Muhammed_zombiesvi-vi.jpg)
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at the end it doesnt matter shit how we lived like.
yes but still you wouldn't just kill someone else for no reason
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is this guy on getbig?
(http://images41.fotki.com/v1243/photos/1/1222605/5425932/Muhammed_zombiesvi-vi.jpg)
How about these monkeys bast?
Let a pig in your country and he'll shit on your front porch.
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How about these monkeys bast?
Let a pig in your country and he'll shit on your front porch.
just LOOK at those people...
why would u wanna let THAT into your country?
living in pakistan...we didn't let THAT into our neighborhoods :-\ and u welcomed it into your country..thats just idiotic..
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maybe if I worked at Walmart I could meet more Muslim women
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maybe if I worked at Walmart I could meet more Muslim women
LOL ;D
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what a crock of shit.
Try it first ::)
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I just ate a large chicken shawarma plate
never enough garlic sauce
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Jezebelle and I just cooked a Filet Mignon with Truffled Mushroom Ragoût, Sopa Paraguaya, Yukon Gold Mashed Potatoes
Recipes are Below:
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Filet-Mignon-with-Truffled-Mushroom-Ragout-106211
http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/sopa-paraguaya-recipe
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who ever told you that doesn't know anything.
we use perfumes and they do have alcohol, how about alcohol wipes?? alcohol is forbidden to drink only!
bad body odor in general? i don't think so.. we clean ourselves five times a day for each prayer, not to mention the use of SOUP and water to clean our asses after taking a dump.
case dismissed!
Cannot say any better :)
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Try it first ::)
and then what
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and then what
oh brother... sorry you have to go throught this Mars. Hope it doesn't affect your creativity.
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dont worry Alex, i will keep an eye on him.
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you do tend to sweat a lot when you're about to fly a plane into a building.
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just LOOK at those people...
why would u wanna let THAT into your country?
living in pakistan...we didn't let THAT into our neighborhoods :-\ and u welcomed it into your country..thats just idiotic..
Our Government=Pussies
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289641.0;attach=329459;image)
then what are these pieces of shit doing in europe?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=289641.0;attach=329459;image)
then what are these pieces of shit doing in europe?
Our governments in Europe are afraid to tell them they smell and should be thrown in the river
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we muslims are gonna rule the world
EL HAMDURULLAH VALLAH ABI ICH HABE HUNGER
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i really despise these types who scander about everything that concerns the modern west but in the mean time they cant live without burgerking their cellphone and social benefits.
round them up into camps and burn them in ovens.
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i really despise these types who scander about everything that concerns the modern west but in the mean time they cant live without burgerking their cellphone and social benefits.
round them up into camps and burn them in ovens.
In the end, they will pay for their actions.
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In the end, they will pay for their actions.
the thing is they rarely have "actions" just rhetoric that is Mar's point
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In the end, they will pay for their actions.
They wont though
Last year here muslims wanted all holy statues of Jesus taken down in public places cos it 'offends' them
This is a catholic country,if ppl wanna come and live here they should obey our customs,our laws,but they dont
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They wont though
Last year here muslims wanted all holy statues of Jesus taken down in public places cos it 'offends' them
This is a catholic country,if ppl wanna come and live here they should obey our customs,our laws,but they dont
seriously? what a bunch of fascists aint they?
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seriously? what a bunch of fascists aint they?
They have no respect for countries customs
I mean when I go to Japan I will bow to ppl and touch up school girls on the sbway,u have to adhere to host countries ideals
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the thing is they rarely have "actions" just rhetoric that is Mar's point
They have their "rhetoric" and they refuse to integrate into society and be productive members, instead opting for the welfare route (while having sky-high crime rates). That = what Debussey means by their "actions". In time, with the future changes that will take place in mind, it will backfire on them like crazy.
They wont though
Last year here muslims wanted all holy statues of Jesus taken down in public places cos it 'offends' them
This is a catholic country,if ppl wanna come and live here they should obey our customs,our laws,but they dont
You failed to comprehend Debussey's statement. The time perspective you use = too short.
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yes thats how we are. they should emmediately put these worms into boats and be sent back to a shithole they can live the way they want so badly.
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i hate you guys >:(
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They have their "rhetoric" and they refuse to integrate into society and be productive members, instead opting for the welfare route (while having sky-high crime rates). That = what Debussey means by their "actions". In time, with the future changes that will take place in mind, it will backfire on them like crazy.
You failed to comprehend Debussey's statement. The time perspective you use = too short.
Like it or not,its the fastest growing religion now and it will get stronger and our countries as walkovers will do fuck all about it
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Like it or not,its the fastest growing religion now and it will get stronger and our countries as walkovers will do fuck all about it
Your statement is pretty bold, and you'll have a brutal problem backing it up.
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happening all around the world
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Your statement is pretty bold, and you'll have a brutal problem backing it up.
Ireland is the dumping ground for the scum and dregs of 3rd world countries
Our government are happy with this it seems
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Ireland is the dumping ground for the scum and dregs of 3rd world countries
Our government are happy with this it seems
In all fairness, you are free to believe what you want to believe, and the demographical developments in Ireland = not fortunate.
The only problem Debussey has with this "muslims will take over the world in 2 years and there is nothing we can do about it" fantasy is that it removes the publics attention from way more important issues that brings with them a real real danger.
The Islam-fear itself is useful, because it keeps people on their toes and helps bring change faster.
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People here never learn until its too late
It happened with african refugees,until we were completely flooded with them did ppl say wait a minute this isnt right
Regarding Muslims,I personally do not approve of anyone who comes to your country and refuses to adopt any of your customs or beliefs
But there are too many do-gooders here who have fuck all else to do except stand up for ppl like them
Its disgraceful but unfortunately we dont live in a world anymore where we can use force etc to defend our country
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People here never learn until its too late
It happened with african refugees,until we were completely flooded with them did ppl say wait a minute this isnt right
Regarding Muslims,I personally do not approve of anyone who comes to your country and refuses to adopt any of your customs or beliefs
But there are too many do-gooders here who have fuck all else to do except stand up for ppl like them
Its disgraceful but unfortunately we dont live in a world anymore where we can use force etc to defend our country
me too...
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me too...
what do you want you christian greek fucker ;D
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what do you want you christian greek fucker ;D
nothing from you, turkish warrior.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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turkish arsch mutilater.
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turkish arsch mutilater.
Mars got any Turkish lady pics?
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and then what
Dip your hand in some beer for 15-20 minutes. For further instructions refer back to my first post in this thread.. there might be a clue.
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Mars got any Turkish lady pics?
(http://www.resimupload.org/data/media/604/tuba-buyukustun-resim-2.jpg)
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(http://www.resimupload.org/data/media/604/tuba-buyukustun-resim-2.jpg)
Her first name = teh funny.
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(http://www.resimupload.org/data/media/604/tuba-buyukustun-resim-2.jpg)
Close your mouth bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Would our civilization have reached the level it's at today without religion? ???
When trying to find your way in the dark, you can rely on a blind man who knows the dark best but when the morning comes and you have the light of day, you stop following the blind man since you can see clearly for yourself and at that point the blind man is no longer of use. The same with civilization. If and when religion was useful to get people from point a to point b, using that crutch wasn't so bad but now that we know better the best possible course of action is getting rid of that crutch.
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Adonis, why do you hate those that that are dogmatically religious when you are guilty of the same mentality, (albeit in an inverse manner)?
Atheism is your religion, and science is your God. You revel in its limited understanding, failing to take into account that they very fact that we exist is absurd.
Existence =
A. Something was created from nothing
B. Something has always existed.
Both are indemonstrable concepts.
Both concepts are completely Absurd. Yet it is self-evident that one or the other, (or both), is valid.
If you were truly taking an "intellectual" position on this matter you would at least identify yourself as Agnostic, yet you seem determined to disregard any possibility of an existence that is beyond your understanding. This is just as illogical as denying evidence that the world is more then a few thousand years old.
Also an interesting side note... the more one studies physics, (especially Quantum Mechanics, String Theory, etc), one sees how many crazy implications are present in our limited understanding of the universe. In fact the more we learn, and comprehend, the more ridiculous the picture becomes. I would even go as far as to say that Physics is the area where Metaphysics and Science, (stated in philosophical terms), converge.
But you are a dogmatic clown, that enjoys getting reactions out of people, more then actually trying to discover the validity in something, so I don't expect you to try and find a rational position on anything.
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Close your mouth bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BACK OFF GIMMICK >:(
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Adonis, why do you hate those that that are dogmatically religious when you are guilty of the same mentality, (albeit in an inverse manner)?
Atheism is your religion, and science is your God. You revel in its limited understanding, failing to take into account that they very fact that we exist is absurd.
Existence =
A. Something was created from nothing
B. Something has always existed.
Both are indemonstrable concepts.
Both concepts are completely Absurd. Yet it is self-evident that one or the other, (or both), is valid.
If you were truly taking an "intellectual" position on this matter you would at least identify yourself as Agnostic, yet you seem determined to disregard any possibility of an existence that is beyond your understanding. This is just as illogical as denying evidence that the world is more then a few thousand years old.
Also an interesting side note... the more one studies physics, (especially Quantum Mechanics, String Theory, etc), one sees how many crazy implications are present in our limited understanding of the universe. In fact the more we learn, and comprehend, the more ridiculous the picture becomes. I would even go as far as to say that Physics is the area where Metaphysics and Science, (stated in philosophical terms), converge.
But you are a dogmatic clown, that enjoys getting reactions out of people, more then actually trying to discover the validity in something, so I don't expect you to try and find a rational position on anything.
There is a such thing as being so open-minded that our brains fall out. ;)
Now, do you give any credence that there is a green mushroom from another galaxy now orbiting the moon and that a fairy flew its spores to earth depositing RNA?
If you don`t, why not?
As I have already said post after post, (I take it you have not read any of them), it is completely fine to say, "We don`t know yet" or "We are working on that at the moment" or "we are incapable of that perception at the moment". The problem is, defaulting to mysticism, the supernatural, or the spiritual because the answer is not readily apparent given the technology or knowledge base at the moment.
YOU seem to have a problem with saying, "I don`t know" or "we are still learning" or "we are incapable of that perception at the moment". Instead, you`d rather assign or ascribe some mystical, "beyond our understanding" spiritual nonsense.
You are being entirely illogical when you default to mysticism in lieu of an available answer.
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There is a such thing as being so open-minded that our brains fall out. ;)
Now, do you give any credence that there is a green mushroom from another galaxy now orbiting the moon and that a fairy flew its spores to earth depositing RNA?
If you don`t, why not?
As I have already said post after post, (I take it you have not read any of them), it is completely fine to say, "We don`t know yet" or "We are working on that at the moment" or "we are incapable of that perception at the moment". The problem is, defaulting to mysticism, the supernatural, or the spiritual because the answer is not readily apparent given the technology or knowledge base at the moment.
YOU seem to have a problem with saying, "I don`t know" or "we are still learning" or "we are incapable of that perception at the moment". Instead, you`d rather assign or ascribe some mystical, "beyond our understanding" spiritual nonsense.
You are being entirely illogical when you default to mysticism in lieu of an available answer.
Adonis, have you seen Bruno yet?
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There is a such thing as being so open-minded that our brains fall out. ;)
Now, do you give any credence that there is a green mushroom from another galaxy now orbiting the moon and that a fairy flew its spores to earth depositing RNA?
If you don`t, why not?
As I have already said post after post, (I take it you have not read any of them), it is completely fine to say, "We don`t know yet" or "We are working on that at the moment" or "we are incapable of that perception at the moment". The problem is, defaulting to mysticism, the supernatural, or the spiritual because the answer is not readily apparent given the technology or knowledge base at the moment.
YOU seem to have a problem with saying, "I don`t know" or "we are still learning" or "we are incapable of that perception at the moment". Instead, you`d rather assign or ascribe some mystical, "beyond our understanding" spiritual nonsense.
You are being entirely illogical when you default to mysticism in lieu of an available answer.
I do not have the time at the moment to write out a lengthy reply to this, (perhaps I will have some more time later), so in the mean time I will keep this rather brief.
What I am trying to point out to you is that the belief in intelligent design, is not as absurd as you would like to make it out to be. Even Einstein believed in the concept of "GOD" ...although not in the Judeo-Christian sense of the word.
Is it really so hard to concede that there MAY be a possibility in intelligent design. Those that believe in "GOD" like to put the concept in a box, and oversimplify it, but this is because it is far beyond our limited comprehension to do give this concept justice.
Also...and like I said I do not have the time to expound on this point in the manner that it deserves.... but regardless if all things can be explained in a Scientific manner, or there is a delineation between the physical and the spiritual, is a moot argument. The bottom line is that FAITH is the paramount concept at play here.
Just as the Christian has faith in what he cannot see, so you also have faith in Science's ability to explain all phenomena, or last you do in theory. Like Kierkegaard pointed out....it doesn't matter what philosophical system you adhere to, or even in the realm of explaining everything in purely scientific terms, one always reaches the point where they reach a cliff, and their intellectual understanding is limited, and they must take that "Leap of Faith" in order to continue.
I, (much like Carl Jung did in his day), would admonish you, to not completely disregard, "spiritual," or esoteric concepts/ideas, as you are only selling yourself short. That is if you REALLY care about what the truth is....again I think you are just as Dogmatic as your average fundamentalist Christian...only you champion a different cause.
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I do not have the time at the moment to write out a lengthy reply to this, (perhaps I will have some more time later), so in the mean time I will keep this rather brief.
What I am trying to point out to you is that the belief in intelligent design, is not as absurd as you would like to make it out to be. Even Einstein believed in the concept of "GOD" ...although not in the Judeo-Christian sense of the word.
Is it really so hard to concede that there MAY be a possibility in intelligent design. Those that believe in "GOD" like to put the concept in a box, and oversimplify it, but this is because it is far beyond our limited comprehension to do give this concept justice.
Also...and like I said I do not have the time to expound on this point in the manner that it deserves.... but regardless if all things can be explained in a Scientific manner, or there is a delineation between the physical and the spiritual, is a moot argument. The bottom line is that FAITH is the paramount concept at play here.
Just as the Christian has faith in what he cannot see, so you also have faith in Science's ability to explain all phenomena, or last you do in theory. Like Kierkegaard pointed out....it doesn't matter what philosophical system you adhere to, or even in the realm of explaining everything in purely scientific terms, one always reaches the point where they reach a cliff, and their intellectual understanding is limited, and they must take that "Leap of Faith" in order to continue.
I, (much like Carl Jung did in his day), would admonish you, to not completely disregard, "spiritual," or esoteric concepts/ideas, as you are only selling yourself short. That is if you REALLY care about what the truth is....again I think you are just as Dogmatic as your average fundamentalist Christian...only you champion a different cause.
Please don`t reduce Einstein to this nonsense. It is disingenuous to use the word "god" insofar as the vastness of the Universe and the Cosmos is concerned. Some will take it he literally thinks or gives any kind of credence to a designer which he fervently and adamantly DID NOT. I expect never to see you do this again.
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I do not have the time at the moment to write out a lengthy reply to this, (perhaps I will have some more time later), so in the mean time I will keep this rather brief.
What I am trying to point out to you is that the belief in intelligent design, is not as absurd as you would like to make it out to be. Even Einstein believed in the concept of "GOD" ...although not in the Judeo-Christian sense of the word.
Is it really so hard to concede that there MAY be a possibility in intelligent design. Those that believe in "GOD" like to put the concept in a box, and oversimplify it, but this is because it is far beyond our limited comprehension to do give this concept justice.
Also...and like I said I do not have the time to expound on this point in the manner that it deserves.... but regardless if all things can be explained in a Scientific manner, or there is a delineation between the physical and the spiritual, is a moot argument. The bottom line is that FAITH is the paramount concept at play here.
Just as the Christian has faith in what he cannot see, so you also have faith in Science's ability to explain all phenomena, or last you do in theory. Like Kierkegaard pointed out....it doesn't matter what philosophical system you adhere to, or even in the realm of explaining everything in purely scientific terms, one always reaches the point where they reach a cliff, and their intellectual understanding is limited, and they must take that "Leap of Faith" in order to continue.
I, (much like Carl Jung did in his day), would admonish you, to not completely disregard, "spiritual," or esoteric concepts/ideas, as you are only selling yourself short. That is if you REALLY care about what the truth is....again I think you are just as Dogmatic as your average fundamentalist Christian...only you champion a different cause.
Science is NOT faith based. It is evidence and fact based.
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I do not have the time at the moment to write out a lengthy reply to this, (perhaps I will have some more time later), so in the mean time I will keep this rather brief.
What I am trying to point out to you is that the belief in intelligent design, is not as absurd as you would like to make it out to be. Even Einstein believed in the concept of "GOD" ...although not in the Judeo-Christian sense of the word.
Is it really so hard to concede that there MAY be a possibility in intelligent design. Those that believe in "GOD" like to put the concept in a box, and oversimplify it, but this is because it is far beyond our limited comprehension to do give this concept justice.
Also...and like I said I do not have the time to expound on this point in the manner that it deserves.... but regardless if all things can be explained in a Scientific manner, or there is a delineation between the physical and the spiritual, is a moot argument. The bottom line is that FAITH is the paramount concept at play here.
Just as the Christian has faith in what he cannot see, so you also have faith in Science's ability to explain all phenomena, or last you do in theory. Like Kierkegaard pointed out....it doesn't matter what philosophical system you adhere to, or even in the realm of explaining everything in purely scientific terms, one always reaches the point where they reach a cliff, and their intellectual understanding is limited, and they must take that "Leap of Faith" in order to continue.
I, (much like Carl Jung did in his day), would admonish you, to not completely disregard, "spiritual," or esoteric concepts/ideas, as you are only selling yourself short. That is if you REALLY care about what the truth is....again I think you are just as Dogmatic as your average fundamentalist Christian...only you champion a different cause.
There is no such thing as "spiritual". Give me an example of what you mean by "spiritual".
If you don`t know something, you do not know something. You don`t need a "leap of faith" to say you don`t know something.
Side note:
Intelligent design is for complete morons and is NOT a science or has anything to do with it. It explains nothing and is completely useless and worth nothing. I challenge you to prove its worth in any shape or fashion.
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There is no such thing as "spiritual". Give me an example of what you mean by "spiritual".
If you don`t know something, you do not know something. You don`t need a "leap of faith" to say you don`t know something.
Side note:
Intelligent design is for complete morons and is NOT a science or has anything to do with it. It explains nothing and is completely useless and worth nothing. I challenge you to prove its worth in any shape or fashion.
so you are saying Coach is a complete moron?
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so you are saying Coach is a complete moron?
Well, that is obvious. The dude knows his profession, but besides that he is just a few steps above MattT.
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This kind of stuff saddens me.
It's a concentrated form of the mass hysteria which is organised religion.
All of these people go home and think to themselves "I was faking it, why can't I feel what the others feel ?.....I'll not mention that to anyone".
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What are Chic's thoughts on this? hmmmmmmm
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Such a peace loving people...lol
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Don't waste your time on religion. It's all a fairytale.