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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: peroni on July 14, 2009, 07:12:32 AM
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Just curious about your training. I read you had stated you preferred to use machines and/or dumbbells as opposed to free weights while targeting certain muscle groups such as pectorals, but what I'm curious to know was your approach to reps. Was it failure, 6-8, 12-15, varied? What was the thought process behind the design of what were doing? Obviously to build muscle mass, but did you feel you were catering to more fast twitch, etc. That kind of thing.
Thanks in advance for your time
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What the article actually stated, was that machines were a geat alternative to free weights and that BOTH should be incorperated into a routine. That free weights were fine, but shouldnt be used exclusively either...
As for reps, I always used 10-12...just felt for me, that they worked best and kept the weight light enough for a blood volume style training
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I'm assuming by blood volume training, you're referring to high enough reps (in your case 10-12) with light enough weights that would induce the most pump possible as opposed to seeing how strong you are at every turn type training.
When you got to rep 10 or 12, whichever, was that a failure point or a preplanned stopping point?
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I'm assuming by blood volume training, you're referring to high enough reps (in your case 10-12) with light enough weights that would induce the most pump possible as opposed to seeing how strong you are at every turn type training.
When you got to rep 10 or 12, whichever, was that a failure point or a preplanned stopping point?
I tried training to failure for a short time...cant say I liked it enough to continue.
whatever the reps were, the weight was coordinated to be heavy enough for the set amount....if 13-14 reps were attainable...then the weight was increased
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I tried training to failure for a short time...cant say I liked it enough to continue.
whatever the reps were, the weight was coordinated to be heavy enough for the set amount....if 13-14 reps were attainable...then the weight was increased
How much would you want to get into the cage with Lesnar?
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How much would you want to get into the cage with Lesnar?
;D ;D
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How much would you want to get into the cage with Lesnar?
Bob Chicerillo clearly stated in an August 2003 article of Flex magazine that he is not a fighter.
This is not a possibility.
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Bob Chicerillo clearly stated in an August 2003 article of Flex magazine that he is not a fighter.
This is not a possibility.
I didn't know Chic had groupys ;D
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I didn't know Chic had groupys ;D
ask the guys from the Mirage Hotel
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ask the guys from the Mirage Hotel
room 7 by the ice machine ;D
seriously, chick do you use supersets at all?
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I tried training to failure for a short time...cant say I liked it enough to continue.
whatever the reps were, the weight was coordinated to be heavy enough for the set amount....if 13-14 reps were attainable...then the weight was increased
So you didn't believe in taking a set to the point where another rep was possible. So when did you terminate a set? Was just purely by feel or just reaching a predetermined amount of reps?
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So you didn't believe in taking a set to the point where another rep was possible. So when did you terminate a set? Was just purely by feel or just reaching a predetermined amount of reps?
Pavel Tsouline believes that you should never ever go to failure in ANY set at any time. He believes (if I remember correctly) that it will train the body and mind to fail at that exercise, set, rep scheme- to fail every time.
I tend to follow his approach a majority of the time, but every now and again (maybe every 4th workout per part) I'll go to failure on whatever exercise I can. I like to leave a rep in the tank, for the most part, and once it gets hard and I'm not so sure I'll get the next rep, I terminate the set.
And no, I'm not Bob C! :P
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Then why did you type out a lengthy response to a question directed at him? We don't care what you do.
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What the article actually stated, was that machines were a geat alternative to free weights and that BOTH should be incorperated into a routine. That free weights were fine, but shouldnt be used exclusively either...
As for reps, I always used 10-12...just felt for me, that they worked best and kept the weight light enough for a blood volume style training
already answered it
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bob
hello
can u list for me a weeks worth of shock the muscle type workouts using machines and free weights??
plz!!!
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Chick, is your video series on the way to the masters (where you train at gold's , Venice) still available to watch online?! you give some great tips there, I've used a number of them successfully..thanks, vid's like that are 100 times better then anything ronnie or branch can put out that just shows them heaving and lifting. You actually went to the trouble of explaining the movements and angles. Very informative!
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Chick, is your video series on the way to the masters (where you train at gold's , Venice) still available to watch online?! you give some great tips there, I've used a number of them successfully..thanks, vid's like that are 100 times better then anything ronnie or branch can put out that just shows them heaving and lifting. You actually went to the trouble of explaining the movements and angles. Very informative!
I believe you can still view them at BB.com
Thanks for the props
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bob
hello
can u list for me a weeks worth of shock the muscle type workouts using machines and free weights??
plz!!!
u missed my question so i bumped it for u
thanx
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u missed my question so i bumped it for u
thanx
I saw it
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Pavel Tsouline believes that you should never ever go to failure in ANY set at any time. He believes (if I remember correctly) that it will train the body and mind to fail at that exercise, set, rep scheme- to fail every time.
I tend to follow his approach a majority of the time, but every now and again (maybe every 4th workout per part) I'll go to failure on whatever exercise I can. I like to leave a rep in the tank, for the most part, and once it gets hard and I'm not so sure I'll get the next rep, I terminate the set.
And no, I'm not Bob C! :P
I'm not sure if I believe that. What rep you fail at gives you a reference point for you next workout. Say you can do 8 reps at 275 on the bench, failing on the 9th. Then the next time you bench you can now set a goal to surpass your previous performance, in this case, trying to do more than 8 reps. This also provides some feed back as to how your training is going because say in the next workout you only get 7 reps and same with the next workout, i.e., you're not progressing or actually getting weaker, then you know something is wrong -- over training, diet not in check, not getting enough sleep, etc.
Arthur Jones use to say that always working within your functional ability, i.e., performing something that you can already do, will do little or nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. You must, as Jones' put it, attempt the momentary impossible. Say you can do 8 pull ups never attempting a 9th rep, it doesn't send a signal to your body that it has to adapt.
Arthur Jones is not to be taken lightly.
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I'm not sure if I believe that. What rep you fail at gives you a reference point for you next workout. Say you can do 8 reps at 275 on the bench, failing on the 9th. Then the next time you bench you can now set a goal to surpass your previous performance, in this case, trying to do more than 8 reps. This also provides some feed back as to how your training is going because say in the next workout you only get 7 reps and same with the next workout, i.e., you're not progressing or actually getting weaker, then you know something is wrong -- over training, diet not in check, not getting enough sleep, etc.
Arthur Jones use to say that always working within your functional ability, i.e., performing something that you can already do, will do little or nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. You must, as Jones' put it, attempt the momentary impossible. Say you can do 8 pull ups never attempting a 9th rep, it doesn't send a signal to your body that it has to adapt.
Arthur Jones is not to be taken lightly.
Arthur Jones had no practical knowledge...just theories.
There are literally hundreds of pro's over the years who have disproven the above...including myself
You want advice on how to become a millionaire? Talk to someone with a million dollars...
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Arthur Jones had no practical knowledge...just theories.
There are literally hundreds of pro's over the years who have disproven the above...including myself
You want advice on how to become a millionaire? Talk to someone with a million dollars...
Dare you question the great Arthur Jones! You realize of course that he has killed for less than that. Be thankful that he is no longer amongst the living though he could be responsible for channeling the always despicable Hank Wood to torment you.
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Ready to step on stage right here.
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I saw it
no u didnt u missed it
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I'm not sure if I believe that. What rep you fail at gives you a reference point for you next workout. Say you can do 8 reps at 275 on the bench, failing on the 9th. Then the next time you bench you can now set a goal to surpass your previous performance, in this case, trying to do more than 8 reps. This also provides some feed back as to how your training is going because say in the next workout you only get 7 reps and same with the next workout, i.e., you're not progressing or actually getting weaker, then you know something is wrong -- over training, diet not in check, not getting enough sleep, etc.
Arthur Jones use to say that always working within your functional ability, i.e., performing something that you can already do, will do little or nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. You must, as Jones' put it, attempt the momentary impossible. Say you can do 8 pull ups never attempting a 9th rep, it doesn't send a signal to your body that it has to adapt.
Arthur Jones is not to be taken lightly.
I would very much agree with this in relation to strength training. That is how you get stronger. May not bring the most hypertrophy though. Thing is you need to be able to move a decent amount of weight regardless, if you wanna get truly big. Bob is using pro BBs as an example, you can bet comming up through the ranks, building the foundation they have, they trained their asses off and pushed to failure often.
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u missed my question so i bumped it for u
thanx
I saw it
;D
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Then why did you type out a lengthy response to a question directed at him? We don't care what you do.
Have a nice day. :)
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I saw it
dick move, chick >:(
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why should Chick or anyone design a program for this guy for nothing? Not a dick move. It's a move that ensures he won't waste time.
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why should Chick or anyone design a program for this guy for nothing? Not a dick move. It's a move that ensures he won't waste time.
Took the words right out of my mouth. NW83 seems like a good guy but a bit naive. When I read his post to Bob I was like WTF? Then he insists that Bob answer. Also, he chimes in when someone insults Bob.
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dick move, chick >:(
agreed
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why should Chick or anyone design a program for this guy for nothing? Not a dick move. It's a move that ensures he won't waste time.
Hi chick's gimmick. Still a dick move. >:(
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Took the words right out of my mouth. NW83 seems like a good guy but a bit naive. When I read his post to Bob I was like WTF? Then he insists that Bob answer. Also, he chimes in when someone insults Bob.
Gene/NaturalWonder would slap the cum out of your mouth...wait, you swallow. Never mind.
Things were are there thing is were are "pellius"?
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Gene/NaturalWonder would slap the cum out of your mouth...wait, you swallow. Never mind.
Things were are there thing is were are "pellius"?
Ah, my fat, gay, coward dutifully following me around -- as he's suppose to. And more gay imagery. I have to admit that this is quite tame compared to your more graphic and vile filth.
Keep trying. Keep trying to shake the demons of homoerotic imagery. You seem to be coming along. And you're taking it slow. Remember what I said, cock-lover, baby steps. Baby steps.
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Ah, my fat, gay, coward dutifully following me around -- as he's suppose to. And more gay imagery. I have to admit that this is quite tame compared to your more graphic and vile filth.
Keep trying. Keep trying to shake the demons of homoerotic imagery. You seem to be coming along. And you're taking it slow. Remember what I said, cock-lover, baby steps. Baby steps.
SHUT UP U ANT
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Ah, my fat, gay, coward dutifully following me around -- as he's suppose to. And more gay imagery. I have to admit that this is quite tame compared to your more graphic and vile filth.
Keep trying. Keep trying to shake the demons of homoerotic imagery. You seem to be coming along. And you're taking it slow. Remember what I said, cock-lover, baby steps. Baby steps.
gimmick pussy ::) ::)
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I believe you can still view them at BB.com
Thanks for the props
The War for the worlds series is classic Bob and good stuff no question.
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Machines don't train Chick, Chick trains machines ;)
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SHUT UP U ANT
There is indeed a grim, brutal, remorseless quality to your insults that I must confess is really starting to take it's toll on me. On the other thread you called me a "stupid head", then a "freaky head." You admonished me to "just go away." Now here, in an open forum and without mercy, you refer to me as an "ANT." All in caps no less. I fear, with grave trepidation, that you have lock and loaded a "Giant Poopy Head" ready to fire my way if I don't mend my ways.
I tell you what, my fierce and malevolent friend, if you are willing to call it a truce and back off I will buy you a years supply of that special pimple soap that you started a thread about and that you suspect your guest/roommate is using in the shower without your permission. And, God as my witness, if I'm ever in your area I promise to take you to the circus and you can have all the cotton candy you can eat. My treat.
I'm already locked in a mortal struggle with Pandaemonium and chaos and if I also have to deal with you I fear it will break me. Please, find it in your heart to show me some mercy.
Oh, and about the special pimple soap Noxema? Proactin? Let me know.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. NW83 seems like a good guy but a bit naive. When I read his post to Bob I was like WTF? Then he insists that Bob answer. Also, he chimes in when someone insults Bob.
Agree, winced when I saw his post. Like Bob is supposed to write out some encyclopedia of BB for this guy here.
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There is indeed a grim, brutal, remorseless quality to your insults that I must confess is really starting to take it's toll on me. On the other thread you called me a "stupid head", then a "freaky head." You admonished me to "just go away." Now here, in an open forum and without mercy, you refer to me as an "ANT." All in caps no less. I fear, with grave trepidation, that you have lock and loaded a "Giant Poopy Head" ready to fire my way if I don't mend my ways.
I tell you what, my fierce and malevolent friend, if you are willing to call it a truce and back off I will buy you a years supply of that special pimple soap that you started a thread about and that you suspect your guest/roommate is using in the shower without your permission. And, God as my witness, if I'm ever in your area I promise to take you to the circus and you can have all the cotton candy you can eat. My treat.
I'm already locked in a mortal struggle with Pandaemonium and chaos and if I also have to deal with you I fear it will break me. Please, find it in your heart to show me some mercy.
Oh, and about the special pimple soap Noxema? Proactin? Let me know.
Brutal ;D
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why does a decent thread always manage to get ruined by one or two douchebags?
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why does a decent thread always manage to get ruined by one or two douchebags?
Because one or two douchbags each have one or two gimmick accounts, which result in yet another ruined thread. Ever notice it's the SAME douchbags who seem to chime in?
Pretty pathetic when you have to make up imaginary friends to back yourself up, especially when youre anonymous to begin with...
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There is indeed a grim, brutal, remorseless quality to your insults that I must confess is really starting to take it's toll on me. On the other thread you called me a "stupid head", then a "freaky head." You admonished me to "just go away." Now here, in an open forum and without mercy, you refer to me as an "ANT." All in caps no less. I fear, with grave trepidation, that you have lock and loaded a "Giant Poopy Head" ready to fire my way if I don't mend my ways.
Lmfao! funniest shit in ages
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Because one or two douchbags each have one or two gimmick accounts, which result in yet another ruined thread. Ever notice it's the SAME douchbags who seem to chime in?
Pretty pathetic when you have to make up imaginary friends to back yourself up, especially when youre anonymous to begin with...
Get some of your friends from The Mirage to post here, youll have a fanbase behind you thats unbeatable!
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Roberto Chick is a man with muscles.
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Get some of your friends from The Mirage to post here, youll have a fanbase behind you thats unbeatable!
Speaking of douchbags...
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Arthur Jones had no practical knowledge...just theories.
There are literally hundreds of pro's over the years who have disproven the above...including myself
You want advice on how to become a millionaire? Talk to someone with a million dollars...
Here's the answer to the question on sets/rep rages and poundages--THERE IS NO SINGLE ANSWER THAT FITS EVERY PERSON. Every person responds differently to resistance training. That is why there are so many different theories on training with each theory having its own examples of successes. You have to find what your body responds to. For Chic, its the 10-12 rep blood volume type training. For Dorian, it was the opposite.
Now back to your regular programming of calling Chic a closet homosexer...
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There is indeed a grim, brutal, remorseless quality to your insults that I must confess is really starting to take it's toll on me. On the other thread you called me a "stupid head", then a "freaky head." You admonished me to "just go away." Now here, in an open forum and without mercy, you refer to me as an "ANT." All in caps no less. I fear, with grave trepidation, that you have lock and loaded a "Giant Poopy Head" ready to fire my way if I don't mend my ways.
I tell you what, my fierce and malevolent friend, if you are willing to call it a truce and back off I will buy you a years supply of that special pimple soap that you started a thread about and that you suspect your guest/roommate is using in the shower without your permission. And, God as my witness, if I'm ever in your area I promise to take you to the circus and you can have all the cotton candy you can eat. My treat.
I'm already locked in a mortal struggle with Pandaemonium and chaos and if I also have to deal with you I fear it will break me. Please, find it in your heart to show me some mercy.
Oh, and about the special pimple soap Noxema? Proactin? Let me know.
lol ;D
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Hey, Bob, whatever happens to the "War to the Worlds" series?
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There is indeed a grim, brutal, remorseless quality to your insults that I must confess is really starting to take it's toll on me. On the other thread you called me a "stupid head", then a "freaky head." You admonished me to "just go away." Now here, in an open forum and without mercy, you refer to me as an "ANT." All in caps no less. I fear, with grave trepidation, that you have lock and loaded a "Giant Poopy Head" ready to fire my way if I don't mend my ways.
I tell you what, my fierce and malevolent friend, if you are willing to call it a truce and back off I will buy you a years supply of that special pimple soap that you started a thread about and that you suspect your guest/roommate is using in the shower without your permission. And, God as my witness, if I'm ever in your area I promise to take you to the circus and you can have all the cotton candy you can eat. My treat.
I'm already locked in a mortal struggle with Pandaemonium and chaos and if I also have to deal with you I fear it will break me. Please, find it in your heart to show me some mercy.
Oh, and about the special pimple soap Noxema? Proactin? Let me know.
lol