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Title: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 17, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
For the 1st time im doing cardio with my offseason training, just 20 min 2 times per week.  I just started my offseason diet last week.  Im 178lbs my goal this offseason is to only get up to 195lbs instead of the normal 215-220lbs fat ass i usually get to.   
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: tbombz on July 18, 2009, 12:08:54 AM
upper body looks sick



your nto afraid that cardio when offseason will make your already weak legs look even weaker in comparison as they may not grow as fast as the rest of your body due to cardio ?

kyomu for example has said he does cardio every day..running several kilometers... and his legs are hiis strong point, so cardio doesnt always have to have a negative effect on gains....but myself, i would still be cautious about doing it during the offseason...

Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: wavelength on July 18, 2009, 12:11:21 AM
I don't think the difference to eating less will be significant. It's a matter of convenience.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: 240 is Back on July 18, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
IMO the cardio will help his legs.

I just started light cardio, 15-20 mintues, 4 times per week.  I'm not losing any weight because I'm eating big.  And I'm reducing my leg training a bit.

And for the first time in my life, the outer quad pops out. And my calves have improved a lot.  Even something minor like 20 minutes slow uphill treadmill at 6.0 at 2 mph, is making a huge difference.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:26:30 AM
IMO the cardio will help his legs.

I just started light cardio, 15-20 mintues, 4 times per week.  I'm not losing any weight because I'm eating big.  And I'm reducing my leg training a bit.

And for the first time in my life, the outer quad pops out. And my calves have improved a lot.  Even something minor like 20 minutes slow uphill treadmill at 6.0 at 2 mph, is making a huge difference.

Exactly!, doing cardio year round will help condition my legs, keep them harder, and keep fat from building up to much on them.  And its only 20 min 2 times per week, thats what some guys do just to warm up before a workout!.  So its not major cardio,  i think the fact that i wont have to kill myself on the treadmill this time will actually allow me to hold onto more muscle on my quads.

i would like GH15's opinion on doing cardio in the offseason?.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 18, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
Brutal kitchen decor and dark colour scheme.....
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: tbombz on July 18, 2009, 12:30:57 AM
Exactly!, doing cardio year round will help condition my legs, keep them harder, and keep fat from building up to much on them.  And its only 20 min 2 times per week, thats what some guys do just to warm up before a workout!.  So its not major cardio,  i think the fact that i wont have to kill myself on the treadmill this time will actually allow me to hold onto more muscle on my quads.

i would like GH15's opinion on doing cardio in the offseason?.
your probably right. especially only two very short sessions like that. even still, personally id just avoid it all together..and if i was that worried about staying lean id throw in some gh and/or t3... but really as long as a clean diet is consistant and yoru using roids then you shouldnt put on much fat.. as far as gh15 goes i cant speak for him but he has said before, during contest prep, you shouldnt do alot of cardio. so id imagine based on that he probably wouldnt believe in offseason cardio.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:31:51 AM
Brutal kitchen decor and dark colour scheme.....

let me guess your a white appliances, and white cabinets kinda guy ::). Kinda kitchen your mom would love.  I like the dark rich colors that's whats in.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 18, 2009, 12:33:50 AM
let me guess your a white appliances, and white cabinets kinda guy ::). Kinda kitchen your mom would love.  I like the dark rich colors that's whats in.

Stainless steel appliances, light colours, granite bench tops, minimalist approach........beachsid e home so dark colours is a no no.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: gh15 on July 18, 2009, 12:35:55 AM
i dont think bodybuilders should do cardio offseason or on season unless trying to get down to very low body fat% as in 4-5% true 4-5%

2 sessions a week wont hurt you ,,what you need to do is bring up those legs by any means possible so you can place well in nationals and get professional card,,hopefully your legs wil respond well
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: wavelength on July 18, 2009, 12:36:58 AM
Stainless steel appliances, light colours, granite bench tops, minimalist approach........beachsid e home so dark colours is a no no.

minimalistic is always best, there are no no nos though
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:37:11 AM
Stainless steel appliances, light colours, granite bench tops, minimalist approach........beachsid e home so dark colours is a no no.

exactly the type of kitchen a mom would love light colors ::), not a straight man.  So i guess your letting us all know which side you roll on :-X
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 18, 2009, 12:39:07 AM
exactly the type of kitchen a mom would love light colors ::), not a straight man.  So i guess your letting us all know which side you roll on :-X

Yes because posing in a thong for a crowd of men is perfectly straight........but living in a beachside home with a light kitchen colour scheme is somehow gay.

Yes, well done matt.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:39:56 AM
i dont think bodybuilders should do cardio offseason or on season unless trying to get down to very low body fat% as in 4-5% true 4-5%

2 sessions a week wont hurt you ,,what you need to do is bring up those legs by any means possible so you can place well in nationals and get professional card,,hopefully your legs wil respond well

yeh im just doing very minimal cardio, i have such a shitty slow metabolism that i gain way to much fat in the offseason and balloon up to 220lbs+.   So I'm doing abit of cardio to make up for my slow metabolism.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 18, 2009, 12:40:25 AM
minimalistic is always best, there are no no nos though

It's a good look for the most part, though practicality is always an issue with it. Looks good in magazines, yet never as good when a kitchen/bathroom is being used everyday and actually has stuff in it.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: wavelength on July 18, 2009, 12:41:28 AM
It's a good look for the most part, though practicality is always an issue with it. Looks good in magazines, yet never as good when a kitchen/bathroom is being used everyday and actually has stuff in it.

must be practical too of course
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:47:28 AM
Yes because posing in a thong for a crowd of men is perfectly straight........but living in a beachside home with a light kitchen colour scheme is somehow gay.

Yes, well done matt.

lol here you go again with this whole posing in a thong in front of crowd makes all bodybuilders gay? WTF?  So I'm assuming it would make you gay for looking at bodybuilders on this message board that you see in posing trunks  ::).  You are very insecure bro.  And i guess it makes female bodybuilder and figure competitors lesbians as they compete in front of other women on stage :P   Enjoy living in your gay beach house with light girly kitchen colors ;)  I will call you girly man from now on.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: io856 on July 18, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
man... your arms are like stupidly huge with such a tiny tiny waist... wow

I do like being tall tho  :D
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 18, 2009, 12:55:13 AM
lol here you go again with this whole posing in a thong in front of crowd makes all bodybuilders gay? WTF?  So I'm assuming it would make you gay for looking at bodybuilders on this message board that you see in posing trunks  ::).  You are very insecure bro.  And i guess it makes female bodybuilder and figure competitors lesbians as they compete in front of other women on stage :P   Enjoy living in your gay beach house with light girly kitchen colors ;)  I will call you girly man from now on.

ok frodo.........enjoy your apartment and faux-granite tiles.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: io856 on July 18, 2009, 12:57:38 AM
always best to critique a bodybuilder on his physique rather than his kitchen  ::)
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:58:13 AM
ok frodo.........enjoy your apartment and faux-granite tiles.

girly man the tiles are not granite just the counter tops are.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 18, 2009, 12:59:41 AM
always best to critique a bodybuilder on his physique rather than his kitchen  ::)

Matt looks good and i have never criticised his physique. I just give him shit because he is fucking stupid.

Dubai, India approved.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 01:02:37 AM
i dont think bodybuilders should do cardio offseason or on season unless trying to get down to very low body fat% as in 4-5% true 4-5%

2 sessions a week wont hurt you ,,what you need to do is bring up those legs by any means possible so you can place well in nationals and get professional card,,hopefully your legs wil respond well


you say not to do cardio in the offseason "unless" we're trying to get down to low bf% 4-5%?  Isn't that what all bbers want to get down to bf wise?.  So then in fact you're actually saying in order to come in truly lean 4-5% bf offseason cardio should be done?
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: TheAnimal on July 18, 2009, 01:12:37 AM

you say not to do cardio in the offseason "unless" we're trying to get down to low bf% 4-5%?  Isn't that what all bbers want to get down to bf wise?.  So then in fact you're actually saying in order to come in truly lean 4-5% bf offseason cardio should be done?
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Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Tapeworm on July 18, 2009, 01:15:36 AM
Some good interior decorating tips in this thread.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: tendonitis on July 18, 2009, 06:01:12 AM
MattT making fun of another guy by calling him gay is the funniest thing I've ever read on Getbig.  Pot, meet kettle.

Oh, and I get my cardio by riding my bike around Dubai.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: WillGrant on July 18, 2009, 06:14:04 AM
 Matt , be honest bro.You could do no cardio but still be lean depending on your drug/thermo intake.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 18, 2009, 06:53:05 AM
Matt , be honest bro.You could do no cardio but still be lean depending on your drug/thermo intake.

And genetics ;D
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: 4RED on July 18, 2009, 06:58:13 AM
matt: great build, amazing arms
what do you do to stay lean without cardio?
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: hendog on July 18, 2009, 07:53:57 AM
Matt , be honest bro.You could do no cardio but still be lean depending on your drug/thermo intake.


I agree with Will, there are a ton of guys that do minimal cardio and take thermos and minipulate thier carb intake to stay leaner during thier off season but as you know off season is more for building mass and I wouldn't sacrifice good size gains just to stay in near-contest shape year around otherwise you risk looking the same year to year and not really progress. I am of the opinion that cardio is a must if you use AAS just to keep cholesterol and blood pressure in check. I don't know if you train natural or use "gear" but it sounds like the 2 days a week approach isn't too bad of a start provided you know what your base caloric intake needs are to still make gains. You have an outstanding physique bro, best of luck.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: dave19 on July 18, 2009, 08:03:10 AM
I don't know if you train natural or use "gear"

 ::)
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Luv2Hurt on July 18, 2009, 08:13:44 AM

you say not to do cardio in the offseason "unless" we're trying to get down to low bf% 4-5%?  Isn't that what all bbers want to get down to bf wise?.  So then in fact you're actually saying in order to come in truly lean 4-5% bf offseason cardio should be done?

Yes GH is a man of many inconsistencies.  Offseason cardio is fine, 3-4 30 min low intensity will do you fine.  Control most of your body composition with diet I do agree.  During a prep I will do just 30 Min's a day also maybe 5-6 times a week.  I always wonder why some people I talk to end up doing 2 hours of cardio a day, seems nuts to me.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: garebear on July 18, 2009, 08:18:04 AM
Mr, you must drink a lot of protein shakes.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 18, 2009, 08:55:04 AM
Exactly!, doing cardio year round will help condition my legs, keep them harder,


The "condition" of your legs is NOT the problem  ::)

No offense Matt, you've got an awesome physique...but when I hear your work ethic through your posts, I can't help but think, "damn, what a waste of good genetics"  :-\  (in terms of bodybuilding, that is  ;D )
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Moen on July 18, 2009, 09:41:03 AM
You're the new sergio oliva if you dare push it and respond well
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 18, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
matt: great build, amazing arms
what do you do to stay lean without cardio?


i can't stay lean without cardio?  This is the 1st time iv stayed this lean in the offseason. You guys have seen my offseason pics in the past, i get really fat. 
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Get Rowdy on July 18, 2009, 10:53:52 PM
i dont think bodybuilders should do cardio offseason or on season unless trying to get down to very low body fat% as in 4-5% true 4-5%

2 sessions a week wont hurt you ,,what you need to do is bring up those legs by any means possible so you can place well in nationals and get professional card,,hopefully your legs wil respond well


you say not to do cardio in the offseason "unless" we're trying to get down to low bf% 4-5%?  Isn't that what all bbers want to get down to bf wise?.  So then in fact you're actually saying in order to come in truly lean 4-5% bf offseason cardio should be done?

gh said he doesn't believe in doing cardio at all ("offseason or on season") unless trying to get down to 4-5 % bf.  Meaning he only recommends it during contest prep.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: stormshadow on July 19, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
For the 1st time im doing cardio with my offseason training, just 20 min 2 times per week.  I just started my offseason diet last week.  Im 178lbs my goal this offseason is to only get up to 195lbs instead of the normal 215-220lbs fat ass i usually get to.   

Brutal Costco kitchen table
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: 4RED on July 19, 2009, 01:57:12 AM
have you any reccomendations for good fat burners? (matt)
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: wavelength on July 19, 2009, 01:59:17 AM
If you want to stay at lower bodyfat while bulking, the caloric surplus must be reduced. If that is done by doing cardio or eating less is irrelevant IMO.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: WillGrant on July 19, 2009, 02:01:04 AM
have you any reccomendations for good fat burners? (matt)
t3,clen and gh ..Matt uses all of these compounds
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: 4RED on July 19, 2009, 02:05:14 AM
are thermos really neccessary?
caloric deficiency-cardio-low carbs-high protein-heavy training+eca -will this suffice?
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on July 19, 2009, 02:05:22 AM
For the 1st time im doing cardio with my offseason training, just 20 min 2 times per week.  I just started my offseason diet last week.  Im 178lbs my goal this offseason is to only get up to 195lbs instead of the normal 215-220lbs fat ass i usually get to.   

but 20 min. cardio is so short!!..
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: Meso_z on July 19, 2009, 02:06:25 AM
cardio for offseason?

yes i do, i fuck a lot.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: wavelength on July 19, 2009, 02:08:24 AM
are thermos really neccessary?
caloric deficiency-cardio-low carbs-high protein-heavy training+eca -will this suffice?

caloric deficit (resp. smaller surplus), high protein, and heavy training is all you need
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: dave19 on July 19, 2009, 02:30:31 AM
are thermos really neccessary?
caloric deficiency-cardio-low carbs-high protein-heavy training+eca -will this suffice?


You can get as lean as humanly possible without the use of ANY fatburner (including t3 , clen , ephedrine and even gh in there)

Just makes it easier , quicker and let you hold on to more of your muscle.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: MattT on July 19, 2009, 03:39:50 AM
have you any reccomendations for good fat burners? (matt)

right now im taking ripped freak www.rippedfreak.com
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: nzmusclemonster on July 19, 2009, 03:43:31 AM
Very dull and lifeless apartment.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: webcake on July 19, 2009, 03:46:28 AM
Very dull and lifeless apartment.

Agreed.

The dark colours makes it appear to be a very depressing and uninviting kitchen.
Title: Re: Offseason Cardio
Post by: WillGrant on July 19, 2009, 04:15:32 AM
right now im taking ripped freak www.rippedfreak.com
How much gh?