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Just curious to all the former juicers gone natural, how big and lean were you at your best, and what are your current stats?
What has changed in your routines besides the drugs?
Thank you for you time.
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no one?
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I'm 5'8' at about 200 didn't really change when coming off but i did so after dieting down to compete so i actually gained some weight.
I think you will hold most of it if you keep eating and training correctly, if you come off after 'bulking' then you are going to probably drop some fluid. I had hit 230 clean (fat) in the past and more juiced so my body was used to holding a lot of weight.
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Nothing. A few months after my first cycle I was even weaker and lighter than before. ;D
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Nothing. A few months after my first cycle I was even weaker and lighter than before. ;D
That is because you actually have to work out! :D
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My gains dissaper pretty quickly....but I keep most of my strength after a cycle. Though I have never cycled longer then 8-9 weeks...so Im probably not the best person to comment.
M!
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so Im probably not the best person to comment.
Then why are you commenting? :D
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Then why are you commenting? :D
Because someone asked for input and he's giving his even though he admits it's not the best example
Why don't you shut the fvck up and stop bringing this board down with your incessant negativity. He did nothing to you yet you feel the need to make a sarcastic comment. For a corporate lawyer you sure have a lot of free time on your hands.
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the pics below were taken at the biggest I have been at about 220 lbs and 10% bodyfat I think.
Ive never ran anything too heavy, usually about a gram in total, 500 mg test, and 500 mg something else. When I was 220 I used test and tren and could Bench 315 for 7-8 clean reps, Deadlift 545 for one with straps, and squat 315 for 5-6 reps ( I know its pathetic to bench more than you squat).
Now Im clean, been so for almost a year and weigh about 210 at 13-14% bodyfat. My lifts are as follows. bench 315 for 3 reps, deadlift 495 for one, and squat 315 for 1-2.
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Now Im clean, been so for almost a year and weigh about 210 at 13-14% bodyfat. My lifts are as follows. bench 315 for 3 reps, deadlift 495 for one, and squat 315 for 1-2.
You squat less than you bench?? Lol
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the pics below were taken at the biggest I have been at about 220 lbs and 10% bodyfat I think.
Ive never ran anything too heavy, usually about a gram in total, 500 mg test, and 500 mg something else. When I was 220 I used test and tren and could Bench 315 for 7-8 clean reps, Deadlift 545 for one with straps, and squat 315 for 5-6 reps ( I know its pathetic to bench more than you squat).
Now Im clean, been so for almost a year and weigh about 210 at 13-14% bodyfat. My lifts are as follows. bench 315 for 3 reps, deadlift 495 for one, and squat 315 for 1-2.
(http://xa2.xanga.com/bbff17e4c9330232178427/b183119011.jpg)
(http://jeremiahgraves.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/douchebag.jpg)
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All of it. The juice was only for fine tuning.
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1 step back when off to move 1 1/2 steps forward in terms of muscle memory...
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You squat less than you bench?? Lol
Yah I do, Ive always been that way, dunno why. My hack squat and leg press are relativley good but my free weight squat has always sucked sour frog ass.
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(http://xa2.xanga.com/bbff17e4c9330232178427/b183119011.jpg)
(http://jeremiahgraves.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/douchebag.jpg)
cept Im not afraid to get hit in the face like most other guidos.
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All of it. The juice was only for fine tuning.
I think Ronnie Coleman said the same thing. Just a "tuning".
;D
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All of it. The juice was only for fine tuning.
what were your stats at the peak of your cycle, and what are they now?
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they lose everything they gained from the time they start juicing.
hth
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Is there a reason for the low squat numbers? Old injury? If you can dead 500, you should think about maybe concentrating on your squat for a while.
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Like I said man, My let press and hack squat are relativley good. I get pains in my rotator cuff when I free weight squat so mabey thats why I suck at it.
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my natural weight is close to what my old best contest weight was, but of course my bodyfat is higher.
most guys i know are the same if they competed at 90 kilos ripped they are usually clean around the same size but dont look anything like they did in contest shape, obviously as there really is an androgenic look when on as opposed to off thats why so called naturals look so obvious to some people, when they are proclaiming their clean, we all know what clean looks like even guys who are clean with good genetics
im quoting guys who are around the same age as me guys who have done 15 to 20 years training both on and off, not gym rats who juice from the first day they hit the gym and dont stop, guys from my generation usually tried to build a good base before hitting the gas.
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How heavy and long were your cycles? Do you think that makes a difference with how much you keep?
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my natural weight is close to what my old best contest weight was, but of course my bodyfat is higher.
most guys i know are the same if they competed at 90 kilos ripped they are usually clean around the same size but dont look anything like they did in contest shape, obviously as there really is an androgenic look when on as opposed to off thats why so called naturals look so obvious to some people, when they are proclaiming their clean, we all know what clean looks like even guys who are clean with good genetics
im quoting guys who are around the same age as me guys who have done 15 to 20 years training both on and off, not gym rats who juice from the first day they hit the gym and dont stop, guys from my generation usually tried to build a good base before hitting the gas.
Thats actually a pretty good assessment. Im still pretty heavy but look more like a football player then a bodybuilder.
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I personally used only very moderate amounts of gear for reasonably short cycles - anabol never more than 20mg per day, test enanthate never more than 250mg every 8-9 days and cycle lengths of never less than 8 weeks and never longer than 12 weeks. Grew like a weed on gear but trained for many years drug free before I took the plunge. Found that anabol gave me huge gains but would generally lose about 30% of both strength and weight gains after cycling off it. However with enanthate, as long as I kept on training after the cycle probably lost about 10% of the strength gains. But that took about three months. However I am now training again after 4 years off training completely and am totally clean also. I weigh around 275 and now have a few issues with rotator cuff etc but am getting progressively stronger and more defined - started training beginning of this year. My biggest bodyweight was around 300 but again keep in mind I weighed 260 before I ever even considered taking gear. My starting bodyweight before bodybuilding (I was 20 at the time) was 185 pounds. My current bodyfat is around 25%. Never used anything else - kept the diet clean and simple, the training mostly free weights, maybe protein powder, sometimes very little creatine and my body just responds very well. Put on almost a hundred pounds naturally - I'm 6 4" and wide as a house hence some of the shoulder issues I now have.
Can't understand why some people seem to feel the need to take vast quantities of gear (if true) however I believe that there are a number of pros out there who honestly take a hell of a lot less than you think. My goal for this year after the four year lay off is to get to around 280 pounds and lose 10% bodyfat. I'll be reasonably happy at 15% - like to have some ab definition back as currently have uni ab- not a good look. Stats right now - thighs 26, bis 18, chest 62, calves (non existent at present as have not yet begun to train them), waist 42. Best stats I ever had - thighs almost 30, calves 19, waist 36, bis almost 20, chest 65ish.
Best weights in the gym - bench 350 for 10, squat 350 for 12-15, bent bb row - 350 for 10-12, bb curls 180 for 12, lying frenchies 200 for 12 etc etc.
Currently I cant bench - rotator cuff problem but am happy that I can rep out 12-15 on dumbells with 90 pounders (biggest dbs in my gym), squating 300 for 6 - could only squat the 90 pounds for about 6-8 reps when I started back after the lay off, bent bb rows 260 for 8-10, bb curls 120 for 12.
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How heavy and long were your cycles? Do you think that makes a difference with how much you keep?
i never really went to high and had plenty of time off in between, no doubt this helps and no doubt having a conservative approach to juicing hurt how far i went in the sport but i also had goals outside the sport and have no regrets. I never used more than a gram of test off season and pre contest for one show where i competed at 110kg i went as high as 2300mg per week last 4 weeks only im over 6 foot which was mainly anadrol stan and cypt, never could handle the prop soreness.
If i use HRT now at 250mg every 10 days i put on 6 kilos above a natural weight. Have no long term issues had all the scans done including cal score tests and various ECG, i think if you use responsibly with good breaks inbetween you will be fine unless there are underlying conditions.
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i never really went to high and had plenty of time off in between, no doubt this helps and no doubt having a conservative approach to juicing hurt how far i went in the sport but i also had goals outside the sport and have no regrets. I never used more than a gram of test off season and pre contest for one show where i competed at 110kg i went as high as 2300mg per week last 4 weeks only im over 6 foot which was mainly anadrol stan and cypt, never could handle the prop soreness.
If i use HRT now at 250mg every 10 days i put on 6 kilos above a natural weight. Have no long term issues had all the scans done including cal score tests and various ECG, i think if you use responsibly with good breaks inbetween you will be fine unless there are underlying conditions.
So how do you feel on HRT and do you cycle off it?
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i do cycle off but my bloodwork when on is the same as off, it helps me recovery wise i still love to train and can 5 days per week on hrt as opposed to 3 times per week without it. But it feels nothing like years ago, but i cleaned out for 4 years before coming back and trying HRT. I have done extensive bloodwork post bodybuilding and i can say, whilst i dont feel i abused in comparsion to most i honestly have had issues with my test levels being low even after using HCG and clomid, im not talking 4 weeks later, months later, i would love to hear more opinions from other guys and how their test levels recovered.
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Mine recovered fine (i cleaned out at 24). First year was a bitch.
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they lose everything they gained from the time they start juicing.
hth
not if they started juicing before they had reached their natural limit.
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not if they started juicing before they had reached their natural limit.
I agree with this. For example lets say my genetic limit is 215 lbs. That is if I put 100% effort into training, diet, recovery I can reach 215 lbs naturally after 10 years of training.
Steroids help you get there faster, and even bigger lets say to around 230-240 lbs. When off steroids even for years at a time, you should still be able to hover around 215-220 as it is your natural limit.
THe reason we see such a dramatic transformation amoungst bodybuilders when they retire is because they likley exceeded there natural limit by 70-80 lbs.
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300lbs with abs
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I agree with this. For example lets say my genetic limit is 215 lbs. That is if I put 100% effort into training, diet, recovery I can reach 215 lbs naturally after 10 years of training.
Steroids help you get there faster, and even bigger lets say to around 230-240 lbs. When off steroids even for years at a time, you should still be able to hover around 215-220 as it is your natural limit.
THe reason we see such a dramatic transformation amoungst bodybuilders when they retire is because they likley exceeded there natural limit by 70-80 lbs.
I kind of disagree. The reason the pro's drop a lot is other factors as well like not training or eating the same.
Steroids also take you to another level. Once you've built the muscle on them the muscle won't just disappear if you do what you have to to hold it.
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I kind of disagree. The reason the pro's drop a lot is other factors as well like not training or eating the same.
Steroids also take you to another level. Once you've built the muscle on them the muscle won't just disappear if you do what you have to to hold it.
wrong
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wrong
We dont know how much Arnold is training and eating at the time that pic was taken.
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We dont know how much Arnold is training and eating at the time that pic was taken.
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My natty level is a joke (naturally, not juice induced). I blow up like levrone (well...) on a dose of 250/wk, then slide back to tinytittedness over the next six months. Honestly can't say if I'm any farther ahead than if I just plugged along drug free.
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Oh sorry your right i mean Arnie looks like he was training and eating the same as when he was juiced there ::)
Never juiced have you
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they lose everything they gained from the time they start juicing.
hth
If thats the case why juice,if one trains and eats right you can keep some gains and a good shape.people who juice and train like a puss lose all....
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300lbs with abs
x2
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How do "skinny" Kevins legs look now?
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People actually come off ???
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youve got to build a natural base 1st,,, unless you are totaly fucked when u come off...
i went from 16 to 19yr old, training balls to the wall as a natty, used to eat until i felt ill...went from 14st to 19st this way, before i went to the darkside and started competing
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People actually come off ???
It's not easy to go back to being mortal.
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( I know its pathetic to bench more than you squat).
Yeah but you bench just as much, if not more, than most 400 - 500 squatters.
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yah I supposed your right man.
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Just curious to all the former juicers gone natural, how big and lean were you at your best, and what are your current stats?
What has changed in your routines besides the drugs?
Thank you for you time.
Apple, orange, cranberry you fuckin name I've had it!
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all you niggas talking about how 'skinny' people are.. lol pretty sure 100-110kg is not a small/skinny person at 6 foot
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all you niggas talking about how 'skinny' people are.. lol pretty sure 100-110kg is not a small/skinny person at 6 foot
This is getbig. Anything under 600,563 lbs at 6 foot is considered borderline anorexic. ;D
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This is getbig. Anything under 600,563 lbs at 6 foot is considered borderline anorexic. ;D
i should just give up now then yeah?
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i should just give up now then yeah?
Not telling you what to do, but I gave up when I was 3 ;D
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I wonder what Chick has to say. Chick how much of your gains did you keep when you came off?
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the pics below were taken at the biggest I have been at about 220 lbs and 10% bodyfat I think.
Ive never ran anything too heavy, usually about a gram in total, 500 mg test, and 500 mg something else. When I was 220 I used test and tren and could Bench 315 for 7-8 clean reps, Deadlift 545 for one with straps, and squat 315 for 5-6 reps ( I know its pathetic to bench more than you squat).
Now Im clean, been so for almost a year and weigh about 210 at 13-14% bodyfat. My lifts are as follows. bench 315 for 3 reps, deadlift 495 for one, and squat 315 for 1-2.
Your dog is wondering: wtf!?
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Your dog is wondering: wtf!?
She didnt approve of juicing but didnt judge me for it.
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I had already powerlifted and worked out naturally for 7 years before I ever juiced. I was 178 @ 7% bodyfat. I am 5'6" tall (short)
My first cycle was 500 mg of Sustanon weekly and 1 AD-50 (on workout days). I did that cycle for about 4 months. I gained 15 lbs of muscle and my bodyfat stayed the same.
When I came off, I eventually lost about 8 lbs. So the math says that I made about 7lbs. of solid gains that I still have today. My bodyfat right now is around 12% and I am at 200lbs. clean.
I think if you start with a hard-earned solid base, it is possible to keep something from a decent cycle. This is why some lifetime naturals can't stand competing against guys who juiced years ago.
One other variabe to consider: When you juice, you have a "Natural" tendency to work out harder. I have never let myself forget what that work felt like, so I still work out hard (as if I were juicing) today.
When you watch the highly debatable Skip la Cours workout videos, you can see that sumbitch knows how to work out hard. Whether he is juicing or not aint my call. Sure, he looks juicy-juiced, but the point is (for all you non-juicers)-- do you have any idea what it feels like to work out completely "JACKED?"
Something to consider. NO, you won't recover as fast, no, you can't work out as hard or heavy, BUTTTTTT!!!!!! you may pickup on a few intensity tricks that will help your natural-for-life mentalities. Some of you natural guys just aint hittin it hard enuff mang! Didnt Ice Cube say somethin like "don't stop guy hit it!" Goin do it, goin do it, goin do it to it.
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I wonder what Chick has to say. Chick how much of your gains did you keep when you came off?
I'm sure he'll tell you first thing after he comes off..