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Title: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 26, 2009, 12:48:22 PM
it seems everyone's on Kai's nuts these days talking about how great his back is

for whatever reason, I think people forget just how ridiculous Phil looks when he turns around

needless to say, this Olympia will be incredible

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Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: sean on July 26, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
well... they're both awesome.  They're also both midgets.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 26, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
kai hands downs
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 26, 2009, 01:21:20 PM
phil wins ....
better shape rounder muscles...
kai looks like the pasted him together in comparision
i like kai he seems like a cool guy by phil vs kai..
phill wins
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 26, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
phil wins ....
better shape rounder muscles...
kai looks like the pasted him together in comparision
i like kai he seems like a cool guy by phil vs kai..
phill wins


I don't think the photos are completely fair because of different angles, distances, and show lighting

that being said, I think Phil has him beat - at least in back shots
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 26, 2009, 01:30:44 PM
I don't think the photos are completely fair because of different angles, distances, and show lighting

that being said, I think Phil has him beat - at least in back shots
It will never happen 8)
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: FreedomFighter on July 26, 2009, 01:30:54 PM
phil beats kai... keeping in mind that " back " is kai best body part!
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 26, 2009, 01:31:21 PM
kai's main strengeths are from the back
... if he cant hold heath there
he sure isnt gonna hold him from the front
kai is big.. but he just doesnt fit together right
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 26, 2009, 01:34:05 PM
There will be a case of grapefruits on stage which will pick up Kai's performance and he will take Phil ;D
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 26, 2009, 01:37:51 PM
keep in mind that the photos of Phil are from the 2008 Ironman

it's fair to say he's gotten even better since then
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: bigkid on July 26, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
Phil's photos are from the ironman, where the lighting is perfect.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Nasty Nate on July 26, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
You're comparing pics from the best lighting in bb(Ironman venue) to the worst lighting in bb(Arnold Classic venue)
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: affeman on July 26, 2009, 02:33:26 PM
keep in mind that the photos of Phil are from the 2008 Ironman

it's fair to say he's gotten even better since then

Don't think so. Think the Ironman 08 was his best showing so far + the lightning at the Ironman is by faaaaaaaar the best from all shows + the Arnolds the worst. Kai would probably look ridicolous on the Ironman stage.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 26, 2009, 02:35:35 PM
2008 ASC - Kai and Phil on the right
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: affeman on July 26, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
2008 ASC - Kai and Phil on the right


Phil is ahead. But Kai has made insane gains from 08 to 09. We'll see at the O. ;)
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Wiggs on July 26, 2009, 02:56:04 PM
Kai L. Greene
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: allpumpedup on July 26, 2009, 03:05:33 PM
Better arms, thicker traps.  Phil wins easy in those shots.  If you guys dont think so, you probalby dont know where your traps are.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: TRIX on July 26, 2009, 03:20:30 PM
kai has a shithouse lat spread
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: affeman on July 26, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
And this guy will make both of em his bitch this year 8)
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: bigdumbbell on July 26, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
Kai L Greene
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 26, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
I, uh, couldn't find Phil doing this pose
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Palpatine Q on July 26, 2009, 04:29:10 PM
kai's main strengeths are from the back
... if he cant hold heath there
he sure isnt gonna hold him from the front
kai is big.. but he just doesnt fit together right

Agreed.

he is a collection of very good bodyparts that don't flow at all.

Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Bodybuilding Related on July 26, 2009, 04:33:46 PM
Photoshops, all of them.   ;D
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 26, 2009, 04:43:46 PM
You're comparing pics from the best lighting in bb(Ironman venue) to the worst lighting in bb(Arnold Classic venue)
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: bigdumbbell on July 26, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
Agreed.

he is a collection of very good bodyparts that don't flow at all.


oh brother
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Grenade on July 26, 2009, 05:48:43 PM
kai's problem is he got this very short torso, + huge hips and glutes which really messes up his lines...
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: bigdumbbell on July 26, 2009, 06:05:49 PM
kai's problem is he got this very short torso, + huge hips and glutes which really messes up his lines...

and he never does well in shows, right?
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: 240 is Back on July 26, 2009, 06:17:32 PM
Phil is gonna have some insane improvements this year.

he's progressing faster than anyone else.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: benchmstr on July 26, 2009, 06:28:07 PM
I don't think the photos are completely fair because of different angles, distances, and show lighting

that being said, I think Phil has him beat - at least in back shots
that aint no shit, someone pull up the same pics of dave henry from that show(phil heath) he looks awesome.

bench
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Immortal_Technique on July 27, 2009, 03:22:04 AM
it seems everyone's on Kai's nuts these days talking about how great his back is

for whatever reason, I think people forget just how ridiculous Phil looks when he turns around

needless to say, this Olympia will be incredible

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Why don't you use pics of Kai from this year's Arnold? He gets the hype because of his improvements since last year. Checkhis back at the Australian Pro show this year, wide and low lats, and hard as nails. Phil is great too so should be a good show in october!
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: LatsMcGee on July 27, 2009, 03:26:57 AM
Whichever one manages to hike their trunks the highest up their ass will probably win.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: alnassak on July 27, 2009, 04:18:11 AM
Phil

Kills

Kai

EVERWHERE.
 
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Armstrong on July 27, 2009, 06:11:13 AM
it seems everyone's on Kai's nuts these days talking about how great his back is

for whatever reason, I think people forget just how ridiculous Phil looks when he turns around

needless to say, this Olympia will be incredible

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In terms of crispness and quality, Phil wins.  But Kai is a freak with a lot of quality also.  These 2 are both insane when you really look at them.  Edge to Phil.  I think  :-\
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Immortal_Technique on July 27, 2009, 06:38:23 AM
Pointless comparing old pics of Kai. Those pics are from last year.

Can't post pics from work, but someone should post some from this year's AC for a real comparison!
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: shootfighter1 on July 27, 2009, 07:41:05 AM
Phil is dominant over kai in all of those pictures but all that matters is when they are compared on stage this year. 
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Royalty on July 27, 2009, 03:07:12 PM
Markus Ruhl said that Phil Heath currently has the best back in bodybuilding.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: dustin on July 27, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
I think Phil's back looks better but not just from those pics. Kai's got better pictures from the rear.

I just prefer Phil's look a little more. He has a better shape.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Mr. Magoo on July 27, 2009, 03:21:33 PM
I think Phil's back looks better but not just from those pics. Kai's got better pictures from the rear.

I just prefer Phil's look a little more. He has a better shape.

outed  ;D
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: 3Dkiller on July 27, 2009, 05:00:21 PM
Phil wins
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 27, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
Pointless comparing old pics of Kai. Those pics are from last year.

Can't post pics from work, but someone should post some from this year's AC for a real comparison!

the pictures of Kai are from the 2009 Arnold - doesn't get more recent than that

I posted 2008 ASC as well because it's the most recent contest both stood beside one another
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 27, 2009, 05:23:19 PM
for affeman
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: MindSpin on July 27, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
I think Kai should walk on stage with a grapefruit impaled on his cock.  All of the schmoes would go NUTZ!!!
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 27, 2009, 05:47:50 PM
shit - Dex said Kai weighs 333 lbs right now
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: webcake on July 27, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
shit - Dex said Kai weighs 333 lbs right now

What's the point in getting that heavy though? I mean Wolf is a fair bit taller than Kai and he "only" got up to like 320lbs.....
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 27, 2009, 06:08:52 PM
close call
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: webcake on July 27, 2009, 06:10:57 PM
I would say Kai has the better back. Very low lats.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 27, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
Kai has grown a lot since 2008, but these are the only shots with them standing next to one another

Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 27, 2009, 06:27:52 PM
What's the point in getting that heavy though? I mean Wolf is a fair bit taller than Kai and he "only" got up to like 320lbs.....

heavy as all hell too for this close to the show
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: webcake on July 27, 2009, 06:29:19 PM
heavy as all hell too for this close to the show

True.......the O is a lot closer than i was thinking.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on July 28, 2009, 01:04:59 PM
...
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: affeman on July 28, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
for affeman

Kai kills Phil on thickness in that shot (Wolf anyway), look at those fuckin hamstrings :o.

In the Front Lat Spread they both look pathetic.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: regmac on July 28, 2009, 02:49:19 PM
it seems everyone's on Kai's nuts these days talking about how great his back is

for whatever reason, I think people forget just how ridiculous Phil looks when he turns around

needless to say, this Olympia will be incredible

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One is Serena  the other is Venus!!!!
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Palpatine Q on July 28, 2009, 03:24:01 PM
Kai has cornered the market on the most size with insane conditioning since Ronnie left,

but I think Phil is just put together better and isn't far behind him with the mass/cuts combo
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: LurkyLurker on July 28, 2009, 05:42:17 PM
Phil can get drier than Kai too, which brings out a whole different level of detail. Kai's back is thicker and wider, but Phil's has more going on. Just about even on the whole.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: tbombz on July 28, 2009, 07:18:33 PM
i could see phil and kai becoming something like new age shawn ray-kevin levrone thing
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 05, 2009, 04:32:31 PM
Phil kills the back shots

Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: dogbowl on August 05, 2009, 08:13:54 PM
I would say Kai has the better back. Very low lats.

very low lats + a very high ass

strange physique
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: divcom on August 05, 2009, 09:30:21 PM
very low lats + a very high ass schmoes always have to focus on behinds of these guys

strange physique

here it is: short trunk.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: affeman on August 06, 2009, 02:44:21 AM
Dexters arms even look bigger than Phils' in the BDB.

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Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on August 06, 2009, 03:37:40 AM
Dexters arms even look bigger than Phils' in the BDB.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=291539.0;attach=332886;image)

especially his right

Phils arms arent that big in a BDB




Phil beats Kai, he is dryer
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: delta9mda on August 06, 2009, 07:10:27 AM
Whichever one manages to hike their trunks the highest up their ass will probably win.
Ronnie is not doing the O.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: toty21 on August 06, 2009, 07:31:18 AM
Kai nor Phil will ever achieve this level of muscularity. Although Coleman is not at his best here this pic shows just how unfreakingbelieveable this guy was.

Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: shootfighter1 on August 06, 2009, 07:49:27 AM
No, Ronnie's structure was better plus he was a bigger individual to start with compared to both of them.

Kai is one of the best BBers in the world, his weakness is a short torso and the abdomen which makes him look too boxy IMO.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: local hero on August 06, 2009, 08:03:58 AM
Kai nor Phil will ever achieve this level of muscularity. Although Coleman is not at his best here this pic shows just how unfreakingbelieveable this guy was.



shocking bastardisation of the English language !


Phil heath does remind me a little of levrone, very classy physique with good shape and nice round muscle belly's.... Kai on the other hand is just a big ugly fucker, with a horrible and odd looking shape
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: adipo8 on August 06, 2009, 08:31:24 AM
especially his right

Phils arms arent that big in a BDB




Phil beats Kai, he is dryer

Funny thing is Phil Had Dex but Phil was Dominated by X ... should be a Great Show this Year!
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Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: affeman on August 06, 2009, 08:37:34 AM
especially his right

Phils arms arent that big in a BDB




Phil beats Kai, he is dryer

Neither in the FDB. They are only insane in the Levrone pose and in the most muscular (like Kevins arms himself; they looked like nothing in the double biceps as well).
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 21, 2009, 06:19:40 PM
another shot of Kai
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on August 21, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
Neither in the FDB. They are only insane in the Levrone pose and in the most muscular (like Kevins arms himself; they looked like nothing in the double biceps as well).

Well, Kevin's arms are equal to Dexter's in a BDB/FDB shot.....where as Phils are being dwarfed, great definition though
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 21, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
a fresh angle
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: TRIX on August 21, 2009, 08:05:01 PM
Well, Kevin's arms are equal to Dexter's in a BDB/FDB shot.....where as Phils are being dwarfed, great definition though
phil has no chest, his most muscular is an epic illusion.. 20.5 inch arms
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Special Ed on August 21, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
Completely different bodytypes. Like comparing apples to oranges grapefruits.

Phil Heath = Mr. O 2009-2015. It has been written.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Blockhead on August 21, 2009, 09:09:01 PM
Completely different bodytypes. Like comparing apples to oranges grapefruits.

Phil Heath = Mr. O 2009-2015. It has been written.
" Stud...Stud..STUD...Stud ... give me a call, stud..."




 - Block!
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: flexingtonsteele on August 21, 2009, 09:35:49 PM
Completely different bodytypes. Like comparing apples to oranges grapefruits.

Phil Heath = Mr. O 2009-2015. It has been written.

Im bowing down in front of my computer giving praise to one of the greatest posters in the history of the internet period.

U in cali yet bro?
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 22, 2009, 05:35:26 AM
Phil has the edge in the rear lat spread
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: divcom on August 22, 2009, 05:42:14 AM
if kai has made crazy gains since the ASC and past phil slightly...dex will repeat if jay cant come in tight.

if phil is ready...then he starts his run as mrO.  still think that's 2010.  give him another yr.  ami reps are readying this BS.

kai, vic, wolf or freeman will never place ahead of phil at the O until AMI gives him his 5-6 yr run as mrO.

if i was chairman of ami...everyone in the bbing division would get a pick slip if phil doesnt before mrO after dex and jay are gone or no more a factor.
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: kyomu on August 22, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
I, uh, couldn't find Phil doing this pose
;D
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 22, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: MethodGNA on August 22, 2009, 09:06:46 AM
one body part that kai indisputably claims the best of all time in...................wid est, greasiest, biggest,bell-pepper shaped nose.........you could hold out a long winter in those caverns he has for nostrils..
Title: Re: KAI vs PHIL - No Back-ing Down
Post by: LatsMcGee on August 24, 2009, 03:22:27 AM
one body part that kai indisputably claims the best of all time in...................wid est, greasiest, biggest,bell-pepper shaped nose.........you could hold out a long winter in those caverns he has for nostrils..

He is the Patrick Ewing of the IFBB.