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Strikeforce offering Fedor 500k to 700k per fight in a non-exclusive contract
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The California based Strikeforce promotion are said to be launching an audacious move to secure the services of WAMMA heavyweight champion, Fedor Emelianenko, a move that would scupper any hopes of seeing him square off with UFC heavyweight champion, Brock Lesnar.
The following is according to FiveKnuckles.com:
“Sources close to the fighter have informed us that Strikeforce were in talks with Affliction, M-1 Global and Golden Boy promotions on a long term deal with Emelianenko within the last couple of days. The promotion reportedly offered the former Pride champion between 500,000 and 700,000 per fight, a non-exclusive contract, guaranteed exposure on CBS shows and a cut of any PPV event he was a part of.”
“Emelianenko would certainly be able to get maximum mainstream U.S. exposure via CBS and Showtime which could lead possible big money endorsement deals and he'd also get to enjoy the freedoms associated with Strikeforce's non-exclusive contracts. This scenario is considered a strong possibility if Emelianenko is indeed a free agent according to inside sources.”
If true and Strikeforce manage to pull it off, this would show just how far Strikeforce have come over the past year with the backing of such partners as CBS and Showtime. It would be a massive blow to the UFC who were clearly in the driving seat after the collapse of Affliction and felt there was nowhere else tangible for Fedor to go. Oh how they were wrong.
By Michael Pepper.
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Typical Fedor. Just avoiding the top talent in the UFC and taking easy fights for the rest of his career.
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Top talent and UFC? LOL. That's a good joke. Almost as logical as hot ice water.
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Typical Fedor. Just avoiding the top talent in the UFC and taking easy fights for the rest of his career.
Lol. UFC heavyweight division fucking sucks. brock is a joke
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Lol. UFC heavyweight division fucking sucks. brock is a joke
Yeah, such a joke that Fedor is running from him at lightening speed......
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Yeah, such a joke that Fedor is running from him at lightening speed......
Fedor would fight Brock for free if his management and the UFC would let them do it.
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Fedor would fight Brock for free if his management and the UFC would let them do it.
Bull. You act as if Fedor has no say in the matter. He does, and he knows he does.
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Bull. You act as if Fedor has no say in the matter. He does, and he knows he does.
500 to 700k for a fight and still be able to fight next to strikeforce.
Why sign with the ufc and fight their cash cow for less with more restrictions?
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Bull. You act as if Fedor has no say in the matter. He does, and he knows he does.
haha, are you talking about Brock and Couture? because they are the only ones (from the TOP fighters) that Fedor didnt fough already...
so are you saying he is running from those two?
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Top talent and UFC? LOL. That's a good joke. Almost as logical as hot ice water.
So you are telling me that Strikeforce has more exciting fights for Fedor. ::)
If Fedor goes to Strikeforce he is 1oo% a pussy.
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So you are telling me that Strikeforce has more exciting fights for Fedor. ::)
If Fedor goes to Strikeforce he is 1oo% a pussy.
Fighters go where the money goes...you really think after all this Fedor has something left to prove to YOU ? looool, yea...he's gonna turn down $700,000 a fight against cans just so he can be the UFC cash cow and personally satisfy your fanboy fantasies of him taking on brock....oh brother!
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I've read the UFC is willing (and certainly able) to go up to 1,000,000/fight. Even if that info is wrong (I doubt it is, Dana wants him bad), if you ask the question "why fight for less, with more restrictions"........ here's why.......... if Fedor wants to be recognized as the best fighter in the world, you have to beat the best, not cupcakes, regardless of whether he or others feel he has anything to prove. The world wants to see Fedor vs. Brock. Right now, many feel Brock is unbeatable, more so than Fedor. Right now, Brock is standing there saying "come get some", while Fedor is trying best to dodge him and not risk his reputation - that's bush league (read: pussy). Fedor and his camp are wanting the UFC to concede to unreasonable demands that no other business would. They shouldn't have to use their dollars to promote other organizations via Fedor's name. If Fedor doesn't like the restrictive nature of the UFC contract (total BS, btw, as they have a right to protect their investments), then just agree to a 1-2 fight deal just to prove what needs to be proven - nobody is saying that it has to be a 5-10 fight deal or something. Fedor is just running from this and it does look good at all.
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Fighters go where the money goes...you really think after all this Fedor has something left to prove to YOU ? looool, yea...he's gonna turn down $700,000 a fight against cans just so he can be the UFC cash cow and personally satisfy your fanboy fantasies of him taking on brock....oh brother!
You call me a fanboy because I happen to like the biggest org in MMA history?
Fedor would make much more if he came to the UFC. PPV percentages alone would be more.
But you are right....Strikeforce would be a much easier payday. That seems to be Fedor's style.
All I want is for Fedor to prove his current #1 ranking.
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Lol at brock being unbeatable..
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Lol at brock being unbeatable..
I definitely think that Brock is beatable...Fedor very well could do it.
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I definitely think that Brock is beatable...Fedor very well could do it.
personally I think it will happen before brock fights Fedor.
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personally I think it will happen before brock fights Fedor.
Hopefully so! As much as I can't stand Brock, he has a lot of intriguing match-ups ahead
of himself. He is a freak.
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I see fedor fighting in dream...
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I see fedor fighting in dream...
Fedor will go to whomever offers the easiest paydays.
Dream fits the bill.
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Fedor will go to whomever offers the easiest paydays.
Dream fits the bill.
Hehehe, shades of Cro Cop ?
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Hehehe, shades of Cro Cop ?
??? ???
Crocop just signed a multifight contract with the UFC.
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Fedor will go to whomever offers the easiest paydays.
Dream fits the bill.
Wow, you sir are retarded. Fedor has been clear that he enjoys sambo. I'm pretty sure at this point Fedor wants to do his thing with sambo while fighting for an organization. Why cant the UFC let him do that?
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Bull. You act as if Fedor has no say in the matter. He does, and he knows he does.
Dude, STFU. This is sports. It's like this in every professional sport. Do you think Trevor Ariza wanted to leave the Los Angeles Lakers after winning a NBA championship? Fuck no. But the Rockets came calling with a much larger paycheck and guess what, he jumped ship in a heartbeat. Players in every sport follow the money. Fedor has proven everything he has needed to in MMA to cement his legacy. Just because some unproven moron pops up and gets the weight of the UFC hype machine thrown behind him doesn't mean shit.
Fuck, I mean the UFC hype machine actually convinced people that Frank Mir was anything but a God awful fighter. A year ago people wouldn't have ranked him in the top 10. Now Brock kills him and it's supposed to be impressive? HA.
You call me a fanboy because I happen to like the biggest org in MMA history?
Fedor would make much more if he came to the UFC. PPV percentages alone would be more.
But you are right....Strikeforce would be a much easier payday. That seems to be Fedor's style.
All I want is for Fedor to prove his current #1 ranking.
Could actually argue that K-1 is bigger than the UFC. The UFC is popular in America and England and that's about it. K-1 is worldwide, from the shitholes of Thailand to the favelas of Brazil. They've played Max ahead of Heroes, though.
Typical UFC dicksucker that doesn't know jack shit.
Fighters go where the money goes...you really think after all this Fedor has something left to prove to YOU ? looool, yea...he's gonna turn down $700,000 a fight against cans just so he can be the UFC cash cow and personally satisfy your fanboy fantasies of him taking on brock....oh brother!
Fedor cries himself to sleep every night over it. ::)
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Wow, you sir are retarded. Fedor has been clear that he enjoys sambo. I'm pretty sure at this point Fedor wants to do his thing with sambo while fighting for an organization. Why cant the UFC let him do that?
Because he might get hurt and they would be spending a ton of money to market him.
Then when his name gets bigger another org gets to reap the rewards...I don't think so.
Basic business sense my friend.
Does any other sport let their CONTRACTED athlete do anything like this?
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Because he might get hurt and they would be spending a ton of money to market him.
Then when his name gets bigger another org gets to reap the rewards...I don't think so.
Basic business sense my friend.
Does any other sport let their CONTRACTED athlete do anything like this?
Baseball, basketball, soccer, football and a host of other sports, dickhead. How fucking retarded are you?
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Typical Fedor. Just avoiding the top talent in the UFC and taking easy fights for the rest of his career.
HD, are you the drummer in this clip?
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Dana can say he wants fedor all he wants. Until he slims down his restrictions on his offer and/or offer fedor damn near a mill per fight...he won't get him.
This guy isn't from america (so throw the he needs to come to the ufc crap out the window) and he damn sure isn't broke when he trains in parks, basketball courts and the woods and sh*t..lol....so i'm sure it's fedors principles he basing everything on when in negotiation with ufc. If he is going to sacrifice himself then dana will have to pay some serious grip for him.
meanwhile joe blow entertainment can pay him 500 grrr ..no restrictions vs ME and it doesn't matter to him. I'd take that deal anyday of the week and could care less....I'm still Fedor and you need me Dana....not vice versa.
Fedor could throw his hat into K-1 and just go out on his shield to prove he is the best in the world...not UFC.
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Baseball, basketball, soccer, football and a host of other sports, dickhead. How fucking retarded are you?
Which one of these sports loans out their athletes? So in the NFL or NBA if I want to play for the canadian league one day while under contract that is ok? You must have misunderstood my original question.
Man...cool it wth the anger. It's just the internet.
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Which one of these sports loans out their athletes? So in the NFL or NBA if I want to play for the canadian league one day while under contract that is ok? You must have misunderstood my original question.
Man...cool it wth the anger. It's just the internet.
yep,Bo Jackson,Deon sanders both played football & baseball.they are two of the bigger names but theres plenty of other lesser known guys,in soccer along with guys in the NBA that play pick up games in there off season's some of which are sanctioned by there league some are not.
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yep,Bo Jackson,Deon sanders both played football & baseball.they are two of the bigger names but theres plenty of other lesser known guys,in soccer along with guys in the NBA that play pick up games in there off season's some of which are sanctioned by there league some are not.
Come on...these are totally different situations. I am talking midseason.
For instance, do you think Buffalo would let TO go play in Dallas for a week or two mid season and then come back?
Pick up games? Are you serious. Like pears and carrots. Way off.
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Which one of these sports loans out their athletes? So in the NFL or NBA if I want to play for the canadian league one day while under contract that is ok? You must have misunderstood my original question.
Man...cool it wth the anger. It's just the internet.
What's this loan out shit? He competes in the Sambo world championships. Because you're too much of a moron, I'll help you out.
The Olympics.
The World Cup.
The World Baseball Classic.
The Ryder Cup.
The Davis Cup.
These are all events where athletes leave their teams or whatever it is to compete for their countries or compete on other teams and where they can be severely injured and ruin their career. Yet they're still allowed to do it. The Sambo World Championships are on par with these events. Why does Dana think he can monopolize a fighter's rights when the MLB or NBA can't even do it? Think about the shitstorm there would be if the NBA said that none of its players could play for the USA in the Olympics. ::)
You can't justify shit and you're obviously too retarded to even form a logical argument. Seriously, just stop.
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What's this loan out shit? He competes in the Sambo world championships. Because you're too much of a moron, I'll help you out.
The Olympics.
The World Cup.
The World Baseball Classic.
The Ryder Cup.
The Davis Cup.
These are all events where athletes leave their teams or whatever it is to compete for their countries or compete on other teams and where they can be severely injured and ruin their career. Yet they're still allowed to do it. The Sambo World Championships are on par with these events. Why does Dana think he can monopolize a fighter's rights when the MLB or NBA can't even do it? Think about the shitstorm there would be if the NBA said that none of its players could play for the USA in the Olympics. ::)
You can't justify shit and you're obviously too retarded to even form a logical argument. Seriously, just stop.
Thanks for the irrelevant info...these are not competing orgs.
You going to answer my question about TO?
You do know that athletes are not paid for the Olympics right?
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Thanks for the irrelevant info...these are not competing orgs.
You going to answer my question about TO?
Are you fucking RETARDED? Competing organizations? The World Sambo Championships are not a competing organization. It's a tournament held every year to determine the best sambo fighter in the world. Fedor has a lot of pride in his sambo as it is a Russian art and the Russians really respect it. The guy has had Putin watch some of his sambo matches. So yes, Dana could go fuck himself with him not wanting to let Fedor fight in them.
You are doing a miserable job trying to spin this. The sambo championships are no different than the world cup or olympics. Guys come from all over the world to compete in them.
And no, I'm not going to answer your question about TO because it's fucking stupid and has nothing to do with the argument. And for what it's worth, the NFL lets TO play in the NBA summer league every year. So yes, competing sports organizations (which are about 100x the size of the UFC) let athletes cross over. Way to self-own yourself. Good job. :)
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Are you fucking RETARDED? Competing organizations? The World Sambo Championships are not a competing organization. It's a tournament held every year to determine the best sambo fighter in the world. Fedor has a lot of pride in his sambo as it is a Russian art and the Russians really respect it. The guy has had Putin watch some of his sambo matches. So yes, Dana could go fuck himself with him not wanting to let Fedor fight in them.
You are doing a miserable job trying to spin this. The sambo championships are no different than the world cup or olympics. Guys come from all over the world to compete in them.
Does Fedor get paid for SAMBO in any way?
No there is a self owning for you :o
And no, I'm not going to answer your question about TO because it's fucking stupid and has nothing to do with the argument. And for what it's worth, the NFL lets TO play in the NBA summer league every year. So yes, competing sports organizations (which are about 100x the size of the UFC) let athletes cross over. Way to self-own yourself. Good job. :)
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As far as I know, he doesn't get any money and what he's after most is the trophy and honor. And it really shouldn't matter. Guys get checks cut to them for winning in the Olympics. Usually along the lines of $25k+ for a gold medal. The NBA guys get checks from the US Olympic Committee. Guys will get money for winning the world cup. Seriously, if you're going to argue this, do some fucking research.
Professional soccer lets their guys play in all manners of country-based tournaments. Euro Cup, World Cup, Confederations Cup, etc. Every year it's something new. And these guys are making more and have more invested in them than every UFC fighter combined.
Your argument has been debunked and rendered moot. Please do some research before you try again. In-fact, don't bother.
Fucking morons who just picked up MMA thinking they have any concept of what they're talking about. Does Dana's semen really taste that good? Do you offer to let yourself out after he busts on your face?
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As far as I know, he doesn't get any money and what he's after most is the trophy and honor. And it really shouldn't matter. Guys get checks cut to them for winning in the Olympics. Usually along the lines of $25k+ for a gold medal. The NBA guys get checks from the US Olympic Committee. Guys will get money for winning the world cup. Seriously, if you're going to argue this, do some fucking research.
Professional soccer lets their guys play in all manners of country-based tournaments. Euro Cup, World Cup, Confederations Cup, etc. Every year it's something new. And these guys are making more and have more invested in them than every UFC fighter combined.
Your argument has been debunked and rendered moot. Please do some research before you try again. In-fact, don't bother.
That is prize money....I thought you could do better then that?
pears and carrots my idiot friend.
Fucking morons who just picked up MMA thinking they have any concept of what they're talking about. Does Dana's semen really taste that good? Do you offer to let yourself out after he busts on your face?
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WeightPSHR has been owned....
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A trophy is prize money? Dude, your argument was fucking annihilated. The NBA, MLB, NFL, ESL, NHL, WTA, PGA, all organizations that are MUCH bigger than the UFC (much, much bigger) allow their athletes to compete in events outside of their organizations. Events where they get money and where they can be injured and/or have their careers ruined. Why should the UFC be allowed to monopolize their fighter's lives when multi-BILLION dollar sports organizations like the NFL can't?
Let's keep in mind that amount of money invested in a guy like Lebron James blows the amount of money invested in all UFC fighters out of the water. Yet he was allowed to play in the Olympics and receive a paycheck for it. ;)
Also, learn to quote. You've done that with almost every reply now.
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Hell I just seen Shaq tonight on WWE.We all no it's scripted but still injuries occur all the time in it.You don't see the NBA trying to tell Shaq He can't have a life outside the NBA.But When you sign a contract with Dana he wants to own your soul.
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A trophy is prize money? Dude, your argument was fucking annihilated. The NBA, MLB, NFL, ESL, NHL, WTA, PGA, all organizations that are MUCH bigger than the UFC (much, much bigger) allow their athletes to compete in events outside of their organizations. Events where they get money and where they can be injured and/or have their careers ruined. Why should the UFC be allowed to monopolize their fighter's lives when multi-BILLION dollar sports organizations like the NFL can't?
Let's keep in mind that amount of money invested in a guy like Lebron James blows the amount of money invested in all UFC fighters out of the water. Yet he was allowed to play in the Olympics and receive a paycheck for it. ;)
Also, learn to quote. You've done that with almost every reply now.
You make no sense whatsover...these are not even comparable situations. Nice try though.
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You make no sense whatsover...these are not even comparable situations. Nice try though.
No your argument has been dismantled by us.Now keep quiet while grown folks are talking.
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Hell I just seen Shaq tonight on WWE.We all no it's scripted but still injuries occur all the time in it.You don't see the NBA trying to tell Shaq He can't have a life outside the NBA.But When you sign a contract with Dana he wants to own your soul.
The NFL lets T.O. play in the NBA summer league every year. The guy could step on a foot and boom, torn ACL and $10 million down the drain. $10 million. Hell, he was just on that NBC game show running around and doing obstacle courses. They let guys play in pro-am golf tournaments. I could go on and on and on. The list of examples is endless.
You make no sense whatsover...these are not even comparable situations. Nice try though.
They're perfectly comparable. They're identical events, albeit in different sports. Try doing some research the next time you want to make some asinine claims. Unless, of course, you think the UFC is more powerful than organizations like the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL. Organizations that let their players play in events outside of their own, and even earn paychecks doing so.
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BF didn't you like UFC before?
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BF didn't you like UFC before?
I still like it. I just don't like the path MMA has been going down since PRIDE died. Two to three years ago we got awesome cards all the time. All the time. The PRIDE cards were always awesome and the UFC countered with great cards of their own. The summer was always awesome with the big UFC cards and the PRIDE grand prix. The UFC headliners were big name fighters in fights against guys that were capable. Now we get guys like Bisping, who are fucking cans and wouldn't even grace a PPV card two years ago, HEADLINING cards that are thrown at us every month. We've got Brock Lesnar laying on people and being considered a great fighter. And we're expected to shell out $50 for this? Come on. But it's become acceptable as there is nothing else to watch.
Without any competition, the UFC has turned into another run of the mill cash draining organization. They just throw together 10 fighters every month and call it a card. I understand that it's business, but it sucks for the people who have been following MMA for a while. These UFC dicksuckers like WeightPHSR don't want to see any competition. They'd rather jerk off to whatever TUF reject headlines the next card. ::)
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Dude, STFU. This is sports. It's like this in every professional sport.
Get the fuck outta here, you stank-rotten piece of ass cheese. You're full blown corky-ass retarded if you think Fedor doesn't have a say in the matter, or that he'll just follow the bigger $$$. For someone that claims to be a MMA fan, you seem like you started with UFC 99.
Do you think Trevor Ariza wanted to leave the Los Angeles Lakers after winning a NBA championship? Fuck no. But the Rockets came calling with a much larger paycheck and guess what, he jumped ship in a heartbeat. Players in every sport follow the money.
Only to an extent. It's not ALL about the money. If it were, Fedor would be in the UFC, as Dana is willing (and able) to outpay anyone.
Fedor has proven everything he has needed to in MMA to cement his legacy.
He's proving that he knows how to run whenever real competition pops up.
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I still like it. I just don't like the path MMA has been going down since PRIDE died. Two to three years ago we got awesome cards all the time. All the time. The PRIDE cards were always awesome and the UFC countered with great cards of their own. The summer was always awesome with the big UFC cards and the PRIDE grand prix. The UFC headliners were big name fighters in fights against guys that were capable. Now we get guys like Bisping, who are fucking cans and wouldn't even grace a PPV card two years ago, HEADLINING cards that are thrown at us every month. We've got Brock Lesnar laying on people and being considered a great fighter. And we're expected to shell out $50 for this? Come on. But it's become acceptable as there is nothing else to watch.
Without any competition, the UFC has turned into another run of the mill cash draining organization. They just throw together 10 fighters every month and call it a card. I understand that it's business, but it sucks for the people who have been following MMA for a while. These UFC dicksuckers like WeightPHSR don't want to see any competition. They'd rather jerk off to whatever TUF reject headlines the next card. ::)
WOW...If the UFC is 'run of the mill' which org right now is 'cream of the crop'?
Stupid comment. Damn. Do you even think about what you type.
Try not getting so angry...that might help.
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No your argument has been dismantled by us.Now keep quiet while grown folks are talking.
Please...stop taking the internet so seriously.
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Most of my friends don't know what is "MMA", i have to mention the letters "UFC". :)
Imagine i tell them that the greatest fighter in the world fights in "Strikeforce", they will think that it is some WWE weekly smackdown show....
Sad but true. As for now...
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Most of my friends don't know what is "MMA", i have to mention the letters "UFC". :)
Imagine i tell them that the greatest fighter in the world fights in "Strikeforce", they will think that it is some WWE weekly smackdown show....
Sad but true. As for now...
This is true...but MMA is bigger than ever. That is what is important. It is here to stay mainstream.
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Please...stop taking the internet so seriously.
think that one up on your own did ya.Oh no wait you just regurgitate what others already post....not the point though.Fact is you got blown out the water after claiming other sports don't allow there guys to compete elswere.
other than that I agree with you.I love the UFC & MMA & would love to see the best matchups possible.
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think that one up on your own did ya.Oh no wait you just regurgitate what others already post....not the point though.Fact is you got blown out the water after claiming other sports don't allow there guys to compete elswere.
other than that I agree with you.I love the UFC & MMA & would love to see the best matchups possible.
Call it whatever you want...neither of you net-tools understood and ignored my specific questions to try and twist things. Pointless.
If you want to call it an owning have at it. I could give a shit less. Kind of funny how both of you
had to team up. LOL ::)
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not teaming up at all.Just pointing out the obvious as far as other sports organizations letting there people do other things.But Pointless is right because you don't listen to reason nor acknowledge facts that we specifically provided for you.
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not teaming up at all.Just pointing out the obvious as far as other sports organizations letting there people do other things.But Pointless is right because you don't listen to reason nor acknowledge facts that we specifically provided for you.
Quote from: big L dawg on July 27, 2009, 10:01:38 PM
No your argument has been dismantled by us.Now keep quiet while grown folks are talking.
Not teaming up huh ::)
Do you think Buffalo would loan TO back to Dallas for a game or two mid season?
Do you think the Yankees would let A-Rod go play for the A's for a few games mid-season?
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Typical Fedor. Just avoiding the top talent in the UFC and taking easy fights for the rest of his career.
Two things:
1. The UFC does not have even half of the best heavyweights out there.
2. Fedor is a professional. This is how he earns his living. Between fighting the best fighters for less money or inferior fighters for more money, any professional fighter will pick the latter option. He is not a thug who goes into bars and picks fights with the biggest/strongest and scariest dudes to test himself: he is a professional athlete who wants to fight for the greatest amount of financial reward possible. Sure, Fedor wants to fight the best to justify his status as the number one ranked fighter in the World. And he has fought the best when fighting the best meant getting the biggest paychecks. But between fighting the best for 100k a fight or lesser fighters for 500k a fight, the choice is clear for a professional. He is 33 and only has a few years left. He needs to milk as much as possible financially.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Who are the top 10 Heavyweights in the world? Here are the most recent rankings. Seems like most are in the UFC :-\
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Brock Lesnar - UFC
3. Frank Mir - UFC
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - UFC
5. Cain Velasquez - UFC
6. Junior Dos Santos - UFC
7. Brett Rogers
8. Shane Carwin - UFC
9. Fabricio Werdum -
10. Alistair Overeem
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Brock shouldn't be that high, more or less in thae top 10.
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Brock shouldn't be that high, more or less in thae top 10.
I agree...no fighter with five fights should be ranked that high....regardless if his org feed him some weak old guys & as a result he became champ....theres at least 6-7 guys on that list I could see beating brock....as far as ufc vs other orgs heavyweights that list has it 6 to 4...which is as even as it could get without actually being even...& 4 of the UFC guys listed have a very limited time of actually competing in MMA let alone the UFC...
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Brock shouldn't be that high, more or less in thae top 10.
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Like it or not, Brock is the current UFC champ and he has dominated everyone he fought. Personally I can't stand the guy and hope to him KOd sometime this year. But, I'm pretty sure he would demolish everyone in that list including king of the cans Fedor...
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Like it or not, Brock is the current UFC champ and he has dominated everyone he fought. Personally I can't stand the guy and hope to him KOd sometime this year. But, I'm pretty sure he would demolish everyone in that list including king of the cans Fedor...
haha you gotta be kiding me.....wow....just....wo w....
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Typical Fedor. Just avoiding the top talent in the UFC and taking easy fights for the rest of his career.
::)
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Like it or not, Brock is the current UFC champ and he has dominated everyone he fought. Personally I can't stand the guy and hope to him KOd sometime this year. But, I'm pretty sure he would demolish everyone in that list including king of the cans Fedor...
Agree with all this.
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Like it or not, Brock is the current UFC champ and he has dominated everyone he fought. Personally I can't stand the guy and hope to him KOd sometime this year. But, I'm pretty sure he would demolish everyone in that list including king of the cans Fedor...
Yeah, because he lost to a nobody like Mir to a freakin foot lock and then defeated a geriatric 46 years old Randy Couture who was 40 lbs lighter than him. This justifies his status as the greatest ever. And Fedor would crush Lesnar. What do you think would have happened if Brock were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch to the jaw? Do you think Brock would stay up and somehow win that fight?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Who are the top 10 Heavyweights in the world? Here are the most recent rankings. Seems like most are in the UFC :-\
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Brock Lesnar - UFC
3. Frank Mir - UFC
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - UFC
5. Cain Velasquez - UFC
6. Junior Dos Santos - UFC
7. Brett Rogers
8. Shane Carwin - UFC
9. Fabricio Werdum -
10. Alistair Overeem
And of course the American organizations that make these lists are not biased in favor of the UFC. They just rank Fedor on top because there is no way around his greatness.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Barnett is number 2
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Barnett is number 2
agreed....he is at least top five and another heavyweight that could beat brock....
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Like it or not, Brock is the current UFC champ and he has dominated everyone he fought. Personally I can't stand the guy and hope to him KOd sometime this year. But, I'm pretty sure he would demolish everyone in that list including king of the cans Fedor...
I like how you cover your ass by saying you hope Brock gets KO'd....yet you go on to say no one on that list could do it....way to straddle the fence....
fedor king of cans ha ha wow.....
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Barnett is number 2
Good point! Where is Barnett on that list? I think there is @ least 2 more missing from that list that can take Juinor, Cain & Carwin's place but can't think of them.
Oh, BTW. Cock couldn't fully dominate Heath, he beat him yes, but not in an impressive fashion to be recored as a "notch" in his top 10 ranking.
Seen Heath way worse than this.
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And BTW, as far as ducking top comp goes-- Look at that list
Barnett isn't on it, which is bs-- But out of the 6 UFC fighters, one is Nogeurra who Fedor destroyed twice in his prime and another one is Lesnar who is out because of health problems and has a whopping 5 professional fights.
From Fedor's standpoint, that would make the top crop of HW's fighters in Strikeforce by 6-4, or at the very least make the two organizations dead even.
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That is a list for the top Heavyweights for 2009, not the greatest Heavyweights of all time...big difference.
Like it or not, the list is current. Who Fedor beat 3, 4 or 5 years ago is not relevant to who the best is TODAY. And Fedor has turned into a tomato can wrecking machine...good for him, it's making him money. That's why he's not in the UFC. He knows his ass would be handed to him and the money train would derail.
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That's why he's not in the UFC. He knows his ass would be handed to him and the money train would derail.
Sure, he should join the UFC to have Dana White run his life and make less money than he is making now. He also is part owner of M-1 Global and the UFC refuses to copromote Fedor's fights with them. Would you, from a businessman's perpective, agree to such a deal? He can make 10 X more money outside the UFC than fighting for them. Why would he join? Stop parroting what Dana White says, dude. He is mad cause he can't make money off Fedor. Fedor needs to go where the money is. He not getting any younger.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That is a list for the top Heavyweights for 2009, not the greatest Heavyweights of all time...big difference.
Like it or not, the list is current. Who Fedor beat 3, 4 or 5 years ago is not relevant to who the best is TODAY. And Fedor has turned into a tomato can wrecking machine...good for him, it's making him money. That's why he's not in the UFC. He knows his ass would be handed to him and the money train would derail.
You need to grow up a little more... you are dellusional...
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Ha ha! So much Fedor cock sucking going on here...lol. The fact is Fedor would make a lot more money in the UFC than with organizations that keep going out of business. M1 is a joke. Fedor is the only marquee fighter and the M1 name is used by Finkelchtein to leverage "co-promotion" dollars out of other organizations. The UFC has NO UPSIDE to co-promoting with a no-name organization. Why would they invest millions of dollars to help build a competitor's brand? M1 would have a colossal brand building opportunity if they could headline an event with the UFC.
You turds need to get off the Fedor circle jerk train long enough to realize that Fedor is a complete retard who is being manipulated by a bunch of shrewd Russian business guys. Not only are they costing him a shitload of money, but they are ruining his legacy by continuing to feed him cans.
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Fedor has beaten how many UFC champions now? Still #1 and will continue to be #1. Mindspin, who moonlights as Dana White's personal ball waxer, has a problem with him because he's at the forefront of the UFC's growing competition.
He's a little too obsessed with the UFC for someone that claims to have no vested interest in them. ::)
Let's be honest. With Brock "The Most Overrated Fighter on the Planet" Lesnar shelved for who knows how long, the UFC HW division is now a bigger joke than EVER. There isn't one fighter, let alone multiple, that sticks out and makes you take notice. Fedor will fight better competition outside the UFC AND avoid having Dana White sink his claws into every waking moment of the guy's life.
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Again, I have nothing to do with the UFC. I personally have never met Dana, but he looks like a total dick. If you go through my threads, you'll note that I've had nothing nice to say about him, and hoped that he was on his way out when Lorenzo stepped in.
I really look at this objectively. And, the fact is that for the last few years, Fedor has not done shit. Beating cans and washed up UFC fighters is nothing to brag about.
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And yet the UFC HW division has no one to fight him. Brock Lesnar never stood a chance before he faked his illness. No one else in the UFC is in Fedor's league.
The person with the best chance of beating Fedor is Overeem and last time I checked, he's not a UFC fighter. Fedor will fight better competition outside the UFC.
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Fedor has not done shit. Beating cans and washed up UFC fighters is nothing to brag about.
I agree with you about the whole M1 thing...But just from a fedor-brock as fighters point of view your being very naive.....the statement above applies to Brock way more than fedor....you stated that Brock a fighter with five fights that has only been competing in MMA for 2&1/2 years (against has beens & never was fighters)would demolish everyone on that top ten list above....yet you call a fighter that has compiled a 31-1 record & has been competing for over a decade the king of cans!?!Dude I'm sorry but that is some ignorant shit right there.....
Just a point as well....I'm not a Fedor fan or Brock fan so I have no bias.....I was rooting for rogers against fedor & Mir against Brock.....
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Ha ha! So much Fedor cock sucking going on here...lol. The fact is Fedor would make a lot more money in the UFC than with organizations that keep going out of business. M1 is a joke. Fedor is the only marquee fighter and the M1 name is used by Finkelchtein to leverage "co-promotion" dollars out of other organizations. The UFC has NO UPSIDE to co-promoting with a no-name organization. Why would they invest millions of dollars to help build a competitor's brand? M1 would have a colossal brand building opportunity if they could headline an event with the UFC.
You turds need to get off the Fedor circle jerk train long enough to realize that Fedor is a complete retard who is being manipulated by a bunch of shrewd Russian business guys. Not only are they costing him a shitload of money, but they are ruining his legacy by continuing to feed him cans.
Meltdown...
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Ha ha! So much Fedor cock sucking going on here...lol. The fact is Fedor would make a lot more money in the UFC than with organizations that keep going out of business. M1 is a joke. Fedor is the only marquee fighter and the M1 name is used by Finkelchtein to leverage "co-promotion" dollars out of other organizations. The UFC has NO UPSIDE to co-promoting with a no-name organization. Why would they invest millions of dollars to help build a competitor's brand? M1 would have a colossal brand building opportunity if they could headline an event with the UFC.
You turds need to get off the Fedor circle jerk train long enough to realize that Fedor is a complete retard who is being manipulated by a bunch of shrewd Russian business guys. Not only are they costing him a shitload of money, but they are ruining his legacy by continuing to feed him cans.
Meltdown. First of all, being a moderator doesen't give you the right to insult members calling them turds. I don't do it in the board where I mod, and I don't expect this from any mod.
And Fedor would make more money in the UFC? Bullshit. He is part owner of M-1 Global. In Strikeforce, he gets parts of the sales tickets revenues as well as pay-per-view revenues. Would he get that in the UFC? No. I hope you're not believing that Dana White was going to give Fedor 30 mil for a few fights like he claimed, because that's a lie. Fedor has said that he's open to fighting in the UFC if Dana accepts to copromote the fight with M-1 global.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The whole Fedor is an owner of M1 in a joke. He has a minority stake in a company that he generates virtually all of the revenue for. And, it's not that much revenue. How many shows a year is M1 putting on? How many PPV dollars are they generating? How many tickets are they selling. What sponsors do they have? Unless they co-promote with another organization, they ain't doing shiat. And, in spite of the fact that what little they are making is all due to Fedor's draw, Fedor still only gets a minority share! LOL!! Think about how retarded that is. Fedor is doing all the work and Finkelchtein is making virtually ALL the money.
Had he done a UFC deal, he would have gotten a big contract, huge bonus potential and a % of PPV. And because the UFC isn't going anywhere, he would have longevity in his income stream.
Either he knows this and chose to pass it up because he knows he'll get beat, or he doesn't because he is being swindled by Finkelchtein.
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The whole Fedor is an owner of M1 in a joke. He has a minority stake in a company that he generates virtually all of the revenue for. And, it's not that much revenue. How many shows a year is M1 putting on? How many PPV dollars are they generating? How many tickets are they selling. What sponsors do they have? Unless they co-promote with another organization, they ain't doing shiat. And, in spite of the fact that what little they are making is all due to Fedor's draw, Fedor still only gets a minority share! LOL!! Think about how retarded that is. Fedor is doing all the work and Finkelchtein is making virtually ALL the money.
Had he done a UFC deal, he would have gotten a big contract, huge bonus potential and a % of PPV. And because the UFC isn't going anywhere, he would have longevity in his income stream.
Either he knows this and chose to pass it up because he knows he'll get beat, or he doesn't because he is being swindled by Finkelchtein.
You probably believe that Dana White was gona give him 30 mil for a few fights deal and also a % of PPV income. He wouldn't. The UFC owns their fighters. Dana White tells them what to do, who they'll be fighting and there is the champion's clause, which states that, if a fighter keeps winning, the UFC gets to renew the contract wiothout the fighter's volition being involved. UFC fighters are slaves of Dana White and Fertitas.
As a co-owner of M-1 Global, Fedor gets a % of both PPV and tickets sales revenues as well as over 300 K per fight without including the sales ticket and PPV revenues. That's a good deal. One hell of a deal. Fedor also gets to fight in his sambo tournaments and, as the M-1 Global brand name increases in value, Fedor gets richer since 20% of 10X is more than 20% of X. You obviously seem unable to grasp this simple concept. As for Finkelstein owning most of M-1, he started it and put all the money behind it. Fedor didn't put a single dime ther and got 20% of it simply because he's their most valuable fighter. It's fair.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Have you ever seen what a UFC contract looks like? I have. Do you know how many UFC fighters get a piece of the PPV? I do. Do you know how much money top UFC fighters are making off their sponsors because of the exposure they get on PPV events? I do.
Fedor was offered a deal that gave him a huge salary, huge win bonus potential, PPV % and the ability to continue doing his precious Sambo. What the UFC did not bend on, was co-promotion with M1, and why should they? M1 gains everything and the UFC gains nothing from co-promoting an event with them.
In a few years, Fedor will be totally irrelevant. He will be gone and the UFC will go on. They really don't need him. If it were me, I would do a UFC deal, make the money and cement my legacy.
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Have you ever seen what a UFC contract looks like? I have. Do you know how many UFC fighters get a piece of the PPV? I do. Do you know how much money top UFC fighters are making off their sponsors because of the exposure they get on PPV events? I do.
Fedor was offered a deal that gave him a huge salary, huge win bonus potential, PPV % and the ability to continue doing his precious Sambo. What the UFC did not bend on, was co-promotion with M1, and why should they? M1 gains everything and the UFC gains nothing from co-promoting an event with them.
In a few years, Fedor will be totally irrelevant. He will be gone and the UFC will go on. They really don't need him. If it were me, I would do a UFC deal, make the money and cement my legacy.
Do you really believe that they were going to give Fedor 3 mil per fight? Lmao, they don't make that for an event when you add PPV plus ticket sales revenue, and you think they are giving that to a single fighter for a single fight? Dream on, baby.
And cement his legacy? By doing what? Fighting a former WWE bafoon with a total of 5 fights who's claim to fame was defeating a middle aged Randy Couture who he outweights by 40 lbs and a nobody called Frank Mir. It is Lesnar who needs to fight Fedor to prove that he's the best and not the other way around. Do you know who Couture thinks would win in a fight between Fedor and Lesnar? Not Lesnar. He defeated Nogueira, one of the stars of the UFC, twice in his prime. Carwin is a joke who only has size on his side, and Fedor just crushed a guy his size who is a much better striker.
Fedor's legacy is already cemented. He is a three times winner of the heavyweight belt at PRIDE, regarded as a bigger promotion than the UFC in every way that counts - which is why Dana White bought it in the first place: to end so that the UFC wouldn't have competition. There will always be people like you who thinks Fedor is a scam, just like there are a very small number of people who believe that Bobby Fischer wasn't that great either. There will always be that 0.0001% of people who disagree. Who gives a shit to what they think?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Do you really believe that they were going to give Fedor 3 mil per fight? Lmao, they don't make that for an event when you add PPV plus ticket sales revenue, and you think they are giving that to a single fighter for a single fight? Dream on, baby.
And cement his legacy? By doing what? Fighting a former WWE bafoon with a total of 5 fights who's claim to fame was defeating a middle aged Randy Couture who he outweights by 40 lbs and a nobody called Frank Mir. It is Lesnar who needs to fight Fedor to prove that he's the best and not the other way around. Do you know who Couture thinks would win in a fight between Fedor and Lesnar? Not Lesnar. He defeated Nogueira, one of the stars of the UFC, twice in his prime. Carwin is a joke who only has size on his side, and Fedor just crushed a guy his size who is a much better striker.
Fedor's legacy is already cemented. He is a three times winner of the heavyweight belt at PRIDE, regarded as a bigger promotion than the UFC in every way that counts - which is why Dana White bought it in the first place: to end so that the UFC wouldn't have competition. There will always be people like you who thinks Fedor is a scam, just like there are a very small number of people who believe that Bobby Fischer wasn't that great either. There will always be that 0.0001% of people who disagree. Who gives a shit to what they think?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If PRIDE was so much bigger how did Dana buy it?
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If PRIDE was so much bigger how did Dana buy it?
Bigger in terms of popularity and caliber of fighters does not mean, necessarily, that it was bigger in terms of revenues.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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If PRIDE was so much bigger how did Dana buy it?
The story of the Yakuza ties crippled them. They lost their TV deals and other means of making money, thus making it easy for the Fertitas, not Dana, to swoop in and buy it out.
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The truth is that a lot of the Pride fights were fixed. It was one big circus and it is now dead and gone...ha ha!
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More UFC fights have been fixed than Pride...ha ha!
Shogun says hello.
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Pride is dead and the UFC thrives. Choke on that biatch...ha ha!
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your still at it my Colombian friend...
Torturing the Fedor Fanatics...
I'm one of them ;D
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your still at it my Colombian friend...
Torturing the Fedor Fanatics...
I'm one of them ;D
He doesn't really torture anyone. All he does is come off as an immature 40 year old. Everyone know he has a vested interest in the UFC and that he also moonlights as Dana White's personal knob polisher.
His obsession with Fedor is just downright creepy for a 40 year old man.
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lol...my obsession with Fedor? Please ::) You know half of his fights were fixed right? Come on. Tell me you at least know that ....
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lol...my obsession with Fedor? Please ::) You know half of his fights were fixed right? Come on. Tell me you at least know that ....
lol...
how the workouts going at the UFC gym??
any pics....
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Pretty good actaully. I'm getting banged up though. Right now I have two jammed fingers, a black eye and jacked up right knee. The jiu jitsu classes are pretty grueling. There are some tough dudes in there.
Here is my instructors last fight in Strikeforce from just a few weeks ago. He won by UD:
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wow...
its awesome that you have instructor that is actually is a pro-fighter..
not some weekend warrior...