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Dana White: If Fedor can come to terms with the UFC, he’ll fight for the title first
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In his first public comments since the cancelation of the August 1 Affliction Trilogy card, UFC President Dana White said he's trying to get Fedor Emelianenko into the Octagon. But he acknolwedged that getting the deal done for Fedor to fight UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar won't be easy.
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"My job is to put on the best fighters and to give you, the fans, the fights you want to see," White said on ESPN Radio 1100 in Las Vegas. "I've been trying to get Fedor in the UFC. I want it because you want it. Believe me, I'm trying to make it happen."
However, it's far from a sure thing that Fedor will sign with the UFC. A source with knowledge of Fedor's thinking told FanHouse Friday that Fedor would rather sign with Strikeforce than the UFC. Fedor values his independence, and Strikeforce would be willing to give him a deal with much more flexibility than the UFC would provide.
And White didn't sound overly enthusiastic about Fedor, either, saying that he doesn't agree with those who put Fedor atop the lists of the top pound-for-pound fighters in MMA -- or even in the Top 5.
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"It drives me crazy that people put him in the pound-for-pound," White said. "I don't see him as one of the best pound-for-pound. ... I wouldn't put him in the Top 5."
White also said that Fedor would get the next crack at heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar if he signs with the UFC.
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"He'll fight for the title first," White said. "What does he need, a tune-up fight or something? ... To argue where this guy sits in the heavyweight division, we can argue that all day."
And how would a Fedor vs. Lesnar fight go?
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"I don't know," White said. "Fedor has a ton of experience. The guy's been around forever. But you can't take anything away from Brock Lesnar. ... It's an interesting fight. It's a very good fight."
White also said, however, that Randy Couture could get the opportunity to fight Fedor -- at least if Couture could persuade Fedor to sign.
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"Fedor's got to come to a deal first," White said. "If Randy can go out there and cut that deal with Fedor, then Randy, get to work, buddy
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on principal I don't want Fedor to sign.
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on principal I don't want Fedor to sign.
i agree with ya, but at the same time i want to see a brock-fedor showdown :(
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I want to see Fedor in the UFC. I think from a financial standpoint it would make more sense for the UFC to give Randy to Fedor first just to get more UFC fans familair with him. The only problem with that is the UFC would have to hope and pray Brock beats Carwin, I think Shane will handle Cain.
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i agree with ya, but at the same time i want to see a brock-fedor showdown :(
rsrs, it seems you guys dont care too much about who is Fedor fighting...You only want him vs the 1st guy on UFC...so it doesnt matter its Couture, Minotauro or Brock...
So lets assume he goes there, and beat Brock....what is going to be left for him?
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rsrs, it seems you guys dont care too much about who is Fedor fighting...You only want him vs the 1st guy on UFC...so it doesnt matter its Couture, Minotauro or Brock...
So lets assume he goes there, and beat Brock....what is going to be left for him?
Well there's yer problem!!! ;)
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Well there's yer problem!!! ;)
Not a problem at all...he would just defend his belt. GSP and Silva are in the same boat.
They repeatedly prove their #1 status.
Undeniable...Fedor has been fighting less than top competition recently. Been over 4 years ::)
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005
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Not a problem at all...he would just defend his belt. GSP and Silva are in the same boat.
They repeatedly prove their #1 status.
Undeniable...Fedor has been fighting less than top competition recently. Been over 4 years ::)
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005
Only if you consider 4 EX UFC WORLD CHAMPIONS 'less then top competition'
but then again you're the one that said it, not me.
And if you come back with 'oh but they're ex-ufc champions' then what does that say about their shelf life?
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Only if you consider 4 EX UFC WORLD CHAMPIONS 'less then top competition'
but then again you're the one that said it, not me.
And if you come back with 'oh but they're ex-ufc champions' then what does that say about their shelf life?
They are 'EX-UFC' champs for a reason. No denying that.
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They are 'EX-UFC' champs for a reason. No denying that.
Yea but they combined also reigned in the UFC for a good 8-9 years, you can't deny that, and Fedor went through them like butter.
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Yea but they combined also reigned in the UFC for a good 8-9 years, you can't deny that, and Fedor went through them like butter.
Ray Mercer knocked Sylvia out quicker than Fedor. Arvloski just got knocked out by Rogers.
What's your point. They both are not the fighters they used to be.
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Ray Mercer knocked Sylvia out quicker than Fedor. Arvloski just got knocked out by Rogers.
What's your point. They both are not the fighters they used to be.
You notice in both cases they are MMA guys who got annihilated by former BOXERS, these idiots (arlovski, sylvia) are trying to take on former world class STRIKERS, of course they're gonna get killed, what did you exepect sylvia by arm bar ?!?!
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You notice in both cases they are MMA guys who got annihilated by former BOXERS, these idiots (arlovski, sylvia) are trying to take on former world class STRIKERS, of course they're gonna get killed, what did you exepect sylvia by arm bar ?!?!
Either way Fedor, has not fought top level fighters in years.
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Either way Fedor, has not fought top level fighters in years.
Sure he has, the problem is that top level guys in this sport change every couple of fights, so the top rankings are always moving around, a guy that is a top 5 guy may not even be ranked top 10 after two dissapointing losses.
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Sure he has, the problem is that top level guys in this sport change every couple of fights, so the top rankings are always moving around, a guy that is a top 5 guy may not even be ranked top 10 after two dissapointing losses.
Fedor's last few fights have been against lesser talent. That is a fact.
The most interesting fights for him are in the UFC.
The UFC builds up fights and markets them very well.
That is a given though...proof is in their success!!
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Fedor's last few fights have been against lesser talent. That is a fact.
The most interesting fights for him are in the UFC.
The UFC builds up fights and markets them very well.
That is a given though...proof is in their success!!
I find it interesting that no one mentions his sambo. He is fighting the best guys in the world in sambo on a regular basis.
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Fedor's last few fights have been against lesser talent. That is a fact.
The most interesting fights for him are in the UFC.
The UFC builds up fights and markets them very well.
That is a given though...proof is in their success!!
Lesser talent? See, this is where you contradict yourself you cocksucking fag. Arlovski and Sylvia were the toast of the UFC HW division for almost this entire decade. Fedor went through BOTH of them in less time than it took Brock to beat Mir. Yet you're saying the UFC HW division has the best competition. Which by that logic would mean Arlovski and Sylvia, who dominated the UFC HW division for most of this decade, are two of the best fighters alive. Two guys that Fedor destroyed. But then you say Fedor doesn't fight good competition. See where I'm going with this? You change your tune with every post, retard.
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Lesser talent? See, this is where you contradict yourself you cocksucking fag. Arlovski and Sylvia were the toast of the UFC HW division for almost this entire decade. Fedor went through BOTH of them in less time than it took Brock to beat Mir. Yet you're saying the UFC HW division has the best competition. Which by that logic would mean Arlovski and Sylvia, who dominated the UFC HW division for most of this decade, are two of the best fighters alive. Two guys that Fedor destroyed. But then you say Fedor doesn't fight good competition. See where I'm going with this? You change your tune with every post, retard.
Most of the people that AA and Sylvia beat are not in the UFC anymore. I will agree that when they were fighting in the UFC the HW division sucked. For god's sake Vera was a HW at one point. You do remember that Mir demolished Sylvia?
Currently the HW division in the UFC is stacked. Outside of the UFC, who should Fedor fight next to prove he is
#1. You do realize that you have to fight the best to stay number 1.
Fedor is smart by avoiding the UFC. I would do the same thing if I was him.
A padded record can definitely help his paycheck.
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Most of the people that AA and Sylvia beat are not in the UFC anymore. I will agree that when they were fighting in the UFC the HW division sucked. For god's sake Vera was a HW at one point. You do remember that Mir demolished Sylvia?
Currently the HW division in the UFC is stacked. Outside of the UFC, who should Fedor fight next to prove he is
#1. You do realize that you have to fight the best to stay number 1.
Fedor is smart by avoiding the UFC. I would do the same thing if I was him.
A padded record can definitely help his paycheck.
lmao ;D
you try to hard...
you UFC guy's dont understand that he / Fedor wont let Dana control him..
Read his interview's.. its not about money ...
its about doing what he wants to do...
and there are a lot of companies that will let Fedor do what he wants to do...
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lmao ;D
you try to hard...
you UFC guy's dont understand that he / Fedor wont let Dana control him..
Read his interview's.. its not about money ...
its about doing what he wants to do...
and there are a lot of companies that will let Fedor do what he wants to do...
The one thing you just don't get about this whole 'UFC is too restrictive' shit is that...
Fedor is just collecting easy wins. He is making excuses. Can't blame him. Might as well go out on a winnig streak.
His fighting career would be much more challenging if he went to the UFC. He knows this.
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lmao ;D
you try to hard...
you UFC guy's dont understand that he / Fedor wont let Dana control him..
Read his interview's.. its not about money ...
its about doing what he wants to do...
and there are a lot of companies that will let Fedor do what he wants to do...
He's your typical UFC dipshit. Picked up MMA about six months ago, youtubed a few Fedor fights and thinks he knows what he's talking about. Contradicts himself with every post and can't make a logical argument for anything. Uses the typical UFC defense that revolves around Brock Lesnar and the fact that his greatest victory is a second round victory over a fighter that isn't even considered a top 10 fighter. LOL.
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the fact that his greatest victory is a second round victory over a fighter that isn't even considered a top 10 fighter. LOL.
Mir is #4......
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-18558
Heavyweight
1. Fedor Emelianenko (30-1, 1 NC)
It almost seems like ages ago that Emelianenko was facing criticism over his level of competition. Affliction’s “Trilogy” on Aug. 1 will mark Emelianenko’s third straight bout against a former UFC champion, as he takes on Josh Barnett in their long-awaited heavyweight clash.
2. Josh Barnett (24-5)
The Ts are crossed and the Is are dotted. Barnett will finally take on Fedor Emelianenko on Aug. 1 at Affliction “Trilogy” in yet another marquee heavyweight showdown for MMA in the coming months.
3. Brock Lesnar (4-1)
In just five fights, Lesnar now owns the full UFC heavyweight crown and sports stoppages over the likes of Frank Mir and Randy Couture. However, despite his overwhelming performance against Mir at UFC 100, Lesnar's post-fight pro-wrestling theatrics seem to have overshadowed his victory.
4. Frank Mir (12-4)
Mir was in his best shape in years for his rematch with Brock Lesnar at UFC 100. It wasn't enough, though, for him to duplicate his first-round submission win from February 2008, as Lesnar brutally pounded Mir out in the second stanza.
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (31-5-1, 1 NC)
Whether it will wind up being the fight for which fans had long hoped remains to be seen, but two of the sport’s most enduring icons will square off at UFC 102 in August when Nogueira finally meets up with Randy Couture.
6. Randy Couture (16-9)
His bout with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is long overdue. Hopefully, when “The Natural” and “Minotauro” square off at UFC 102 in August, the clash of heavyweight legends will not prove past its expiration date.
7. Brett Rogers (10-0)
After his blistering 22-second knockout of Andrei Arlovski, Rogers was expected to be fast-tracked to a Strikeforce title shot against champion Alistair Overeem. Instead, the unbeaten prospect will continue honing his craft on Strikeforce's October offering against a yet-to-be-named opponent.
8. Andrei Arlovski (15-7)
Despite having knocked off the likes of Fabricio Werdum, Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson in the recent past, those accomplishments now seem like distant memories for Arlovski. “The Pitbull” has been brutally smashed in his last two outings against Fedor Emelianenko and Brett Rogers, and conversation now centers on the fragile chin that has betrayed him again.
9. Shane Carwin (11-0)
Carwin will be back in action at UFC 104 on Oct. 24. If all goes according to plan, he'll find opposition in fellow unbeaten heavyweight prospect Cain Velasquez in a bout rich with risk and reward for both fighters.
10. Alistair Overeem (29-11, 1 NC)
In the first defense of his Strikeforce heavyweight title, Alistair Overeem will get a chance for revenge on Aug. 15. He will stake his mantle against UFC and Pride veteran Fabricio Werdum, who submitted the high-flying Dutchman back in May 2006.
Even on "Sherdog" 5 of the top ten heavyweights are in the UFC.
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He's your typical UFC dipshit. Picked up MMA about six months ago, youtubed a few Fedor fights and thinks he knows what he's talking about. Contradicts himself with every post and can't make a logical argument for anything. Uses the typical UFC defense that revolves around Brock Lesnar and the fact that his greatest victory is a second round victory over a fighter that isn't even considered a top 10 fighter. LOL.
Brock beat both Randy and Mir...both top ten. Where do you get your facts?
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Mir just creeped back into the top 10 based on the fact that the UFC HW division has gone to complete shit. He hadn't sniffed it for a while before that. The UFC hype machine works wonders.
Really worked wonders. He surely looked like a top 10 fighter out there. Really did. ::)
He'll probably fall below Arlovski in the new rankings. That Arlovski guy who Fedor decimated. ;)
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He'll probably fall below Arlovski in the new rankings. That Arlovski guy who Fedor decimated. ;)
Those are the newest rankings.
Brett Rogers beat Arlovski quicker than Fedor, and Brett doesn't have a single "NC" behind his name, does that mean Brett>Fedor?
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Mir just creeped back into the top 10 based on the fact that the UFC HW division has gone to complete shit. He hadn't sniffed it for a while before that. The UFC hype machine works wonders.
Really worked wonders. He surely looked like a top 10 fighter out there. Really did. ::)
He'll probably fall below Arlovski in the new rankings. That Arlovski guy who Fedor decimated. ;)
WOW...so technically you were wrong. Brock has beat 2 top ten guys.
Nice try...
Seriously...do you even watch MMA these days.
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Alot of guys here are pumping up Fedor about not going to the UFC, saying he doesn't need the UFC, they need him.
I disagree.....the UFC will go on and be successful with or without Fedor, BUT, with the UFC being the most popular and most recognizable fight org out right now, if Fedor does not fight with UFC there will always be a big "what if" hanging over him.
What if he flopped in his debut?
What if he dominated for years to come?
What if he was destroyed by a guy outside the top ten?
What if he had a lackluster series of fights, wins/losses, how would that affect his aura of being unbeatable and his marketability?
I think Fedor needs to come to UFC and cement his legacy or it will always be tainted with "what ifs"
Discuss. :)
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His legacy was cemented. If he retired today he would go down as THE greatest MMA fighter to ever live. The only 'what if' will be Brock. Who for all we know will lose to the next up and comer he fights. It's really not a big deal.
Every time the guy fights a new "what if" pops up. First it was Sylvia. Then he goes out and beats the guy in 37 seconds. Then it was Arlovski. Fedor goes out beats him. Same thing every time.
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His legacy was cemented. If he retired today he would go down as THE greatest MMA fighter to ever live. The only 'what if' will be Brock. Who for all we know will lose to the next up and comer he fights. It's really not a big deal.
Every time the guy fights a new "what if" pops up. First it was Sylvia. Then he goes out and beats the guy in 37 seconds. Then it was Arlovski. Fedor goes out beats him. Same thing every time.
sylvia and arloski are a joke they werent worth a shit got beat bad and didnt perform how can you compare them as top knotch fighters? fedor is cool and tough but really all he has is the INFAMOUS behind his name fedor is like saying MUFASA in lion king but really where are the freaks that he has beaten? he wont join UFC because he wont win and its not like he wont get a giant bankrole......... all he has faught were has beens and wash ups
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fedor cleaned up the best pride had to offer afew years back, im sure he would dominate the ufc much the same way, the guy is awesome in striking and on the ground. then when fedor dominated the ufc,s best everyone would say the ufc had a bunch of bums, then everyone will say fedor needs to go to some other mma orginization and clean up there to be the best ::)
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WOW...so technically you were wrong. Brock has beat 2 top ten guys.
Nice try...
Seriously...do you even watch MMA these days.
I think he may have just started.
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His legacy was cemented. If he retired today he would go down as THE greatest MMA fighter to ever live. The only 'what if' will be Brock. Who for all we know will lose to the next up and comer he fights. It's really not a big deal.
Every time the guy fights a new "what if" pops up. First it was Sylvia. Then he goes out and beats the guy in 37 seconds. Then it was Arlovski. Fedor goes out beats him. Same thing every time.
You really need to get your lips off of Fedor's cock.
Maybe if he balls up, comes to the UFC, and actually does something meaningful, THEN you can carry on with the worship. But until then, he's just a "dodger".
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I see Dana and Vladimar putting on a TUF series showcaseing Red Devil members, and team Brock. USA versus USSR.
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His legacy was cemented. If he retired today he would go down as THE greatest MMA fighter to ever live. The only 'what if' will be Brock. Who for all we know will lose to the next up and comer he fights. It's really not a big deal.
Every time the guy fights a new "what if" pops up. First it was Sylvia. Then he goes out and beats the guy in 37 seconds. Then it was Arlovski. Fedor goes out beats him. Same thing every time.
He is not retiring today...so therefore he needs to DEFEND his legacy.
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fedor cleaned up the best pride had to offer afew years back, im sure he would dominate the ufc much the same way, the guy is awesome in striking and on the ground. then when fedor dominated the ufc,s best everyone would say the ufc had a bunch of bums, then everyone will say fedor needs to go to some other mma orginization and clean up there to be the best ::)
lol.. bump for the truth..
great repsonse.. ;)
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fedor cleaned up the best pride had to offer afew years back, im sure he would dominate the ufc much the same way, the guy is awesome in striking and on the ground. then when fedor dominated the ufc,s best everyone would say the ufc had a bunch of bums, then everyone will say fedor needs to go to some other mma orginization and clean up there to be the best ::)
If Fedor cleaned up in the UFC-the biggest show in mma,there would be no question on his legacy.
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there are always going to be what if scenarios. What you have here is some feel the ufc is the holy gail now because it's at it's highest peak ($$$$ and from a marketing pov) and fedor needs to prove himself there if he's the so called "man" of the heavies....some who feel he doesn't need to go there to prove a thing...some who feel it's more about Dana White getting fedor under UFC contract/logo/Brand period point blank(to get more $$$$$ and market him).
All in all..money talks....Dana will need to put up prob a mill per fight deal and both will need to 50/50 on alot of other things or I can see fedor fighting for any other place for half a million deals that have no restrictions on him with no problem and be just fine with that.
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Aleksander Emelianenk: ''Vadim Finkelste is keeping Fedor from signing with the UFC"
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Inside Fights | Aleksander Emelianenko comments on UFC contract system
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Aleksander Emelianenko states what should be completely obvious to most followers of the sport:
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“You can deal with UFC, I know that they have flexible contract system. All these talks about “strict” contract terms with signing with UFC, come ONLY from Vadim Finkelstein, who wants to push his owns business projects through Fedor’s fights”
So Fedor’s own brother is pointing out that Vadim Finkelstein is the guy keeping Fedor out of the UFC. Vadim wants to promote M-1 and is attempting to use both Fedor and the UFC to further his own business interests.
I’m pretty sure it’s not going to work, though.
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In regards to strict terms of UFC contract, we asked Aleksander Emelianenko to comment:
"You can deal with UFC, I know that they have flexible contract system. All these talks about "strict" contract terms with signing with UFC, come ONLY from Vadim Finkelstein, who wants to push his owns business projects through Fedor's fights"
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Wonder what all the anti-UFC Fedor fanboys are going to say now.
Pretty blatant....Fedor is making excuses.
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This was already posted!
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Fedor to make first post-trilogy statements during wednesday press conference
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FIGHTHYPE \\ FEDOR TO MAKE FIRST POST-TRILOGY STATEMENTS DURING WEDNESDAY PRESS CONFERENCE
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Ever since Affliction announced late last week that its "Trilogy" event scheduled for Aug. 1 had been canceled, the combat sports world collectively has waited for an official response from former PRIDE
heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko. On Wednesday at 1 p.m. PT inside the DoubleTree Hotel in Anaheim, Calif., Emelianenko will address the media for the first time since last week's sudden cancellation. During the press conference, Emelianenko will discuss the ramifications of the cancellation, comment on his future in the fight game, and respond
to questions from members of the media. "Since the cancellation, there has been a great deal of speculation regarding Fedor and M-1," said Vadim
Finkelchtein, whose M-1 Global fight company not only produces international MMA events but also manages Fedor. "On Wednesday, the media and fans will be able to hear what's going on with Fedor from the man himself." Emelianenko, considered by most pundits to be the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world, had been scheduled to fight top contender Josh Barnett. A win over Barnett would have marked the sixth former UFC heavyweight champion that Emelianenko has defeated in his career. Unfortunately, Emelianenko was denied his opportunity after the
California State Athletic Commission announced last Wednesday that Barnett would not be granted a license in time for the fight.
Emelianenko, 30-1, is perceived by many within the industry to be a free agent and it is believed he is being courted by every major MMA promotion in the world. Already considered a superstar in many other countries, he has seen his popularity rise in the U.S. since defeating Tim Sylvia, a former UFC heavyweight champion, in just 36 seconds in July of 2008. Emelianenko followed up the dominant Sylvia victory with a first round knockout over Andrei Arlovski - another former UFC heavyweight champion - this past
January.
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This was already posted!
Have you noticed that the majority of your posts get zero responses and generate little or no discussion? Just a suggestion. Instead of posting every article you see on MMA Weekly, Bloody Elbow, MMA junkie, etc., perhaps you should post the article along with an opinion, which may generate more interest. Again, just a suggestion...not trying to start shiat.
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Still think he has solidified his legacy without the UFC. If he finds a way to get there, fine I have no problem with it. I still prefer that he doesn't sign with them. Let them come to him. Hes the Champ.
The problem I have is people saying he isn't the greatest. F that!
My main beefs with the UFC are the unified rules, their presentation of the sport and not very important .. the octagon I prefer a ring. :D
I like Aleks, seems cool
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Still think he has solidified his legacy without the UFC. If he finds a way to get there, fine I have no problem with it. I still prefer that he doesn't sign with them. Let them come to him. Hes the Champ.
The problem I have is people saying he isn't the greatest. F that!
My main beefs with the UFC are the unified rules, their presentation of the sport and not very important .. the octagon I prefer a ring. :D
I like Aleks, seems cool
He might be the greatest, but he has not shown it recently. I think he is a legend already, but if he wants to stay ranked number one he has to fight in the big show.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/07/fedor-emelianenko-ufc-finalizing-deal.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/07/fedor-emelianenko-ufc-finalizing-deal.html)
although the source is nameless....
it's the L.A times so it's something to think about..
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UPDATE - M-1 Global says Fedor, UFC not close to a deal
M-1 Global says Fedor, UFC not close to a deal - SI.com - Mixed Martial Arts
Denying a published report Tuesday by the Los Angeles Times, M-1 Global officials told SI.com that Fedor Emelianenko and the Ultimate Fighting Championship are not close to finalizing a deal that would bring mixed martial arts' top heavyweight in the Octagon.
"I can give you a guarantee it's not accurate," said Apy Echteld of M-1 Global, a St. Petersburg, Russia-based promotion and management company of which Emelianenko is an equity stakeholder.
According to the Times' report -- which referenced an unnamed source unaffiliated with the UFC and "with information about the negotiations" -- UFC president Dana White was set to announce the signing of Emelianenko on Friday. The source also said negotiations between the top MMA promoter and the Russian champion's camp were "very civil," and that both groups were discussing details on the pending public announcement.
Echteld declined to comment on negotiations between M-1 Global and the UFC, which are rumored to be taking place Tuesday in Los Angeles. He pointed to a press conference Wednesday in Anaheim, Calif., for "important" news on Emelianenko's fate.
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go to hell !
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LMAO :D
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Have you noticed that the majority of your posts get zero responses and generate little or no discussion? Just a suggestion. Instead of posting every article you see on MMA Weekly, Bloody Elbow, MMA junkie, etc., perhaps you should post the article along with an opinion, which may generate more interest. Again, just a suggestion...not trying to start shiat.
Hater.
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either way, I'm gonna seriously start losing interest in the guy if he dos'nt sign with the UFC...
he got a pass trying to make another american org work....
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You can kind of get that vibe from some of the things vadim has said in interview's, that he wants the UFC to cohost the Fedor fights with M-1 Global (his own company) and that he is trying to negotiate for the other Red Devil fighters through Fedor's fight/contract with the UFC (meaning he's trying to get 10 other guys into the UFC on Fedor's coattails, just because the UFC wants Fedor so they should automatically find homes and fights for 10 other no name fighters... which is total bullshit, Fedor should drop vadim and get a new manager, this guy does business under the guise of friendship but you can see he's in it just for himself and riding Fedor all the way to the bank.
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is there a video of Vadim I'd just like to hear him talk.
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I've had enough of this bullshit, this fucking piece of shit is (vadim finkelstein) is fucking it up for everybody, Fedor needs to dump his ass and get a new manager, this shit is getting ridiculous, Fedor won't fight unless UFC copromotes with M-1 !?!? WTF, is anyone else as tired of this shit. He's manipulating Fedor and screwing Fedor being in the UFC for everybody... Fedor's own brother even said that all these crazy contract demands were made up by finkelstein so he could ride the UFC's coattails and get hiw own promotion (M-1) big in the states... At this point I'm starting not to care anymore, if Fedor is this stupid (to be listening to this bastard) then fuck him too. At this point the only person keeping Fedor out of the UFC is vadim finkelstein, his fucked up manager.
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is there a video of Vadim I'd just like to hear him talk.
the piece of shit doesn't even speak english, he needs a fucking translator for all his interviews, there are plenty on youtube.
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I agree that it is his manager that is causing the problems, but ultimately Fedor
has the final say so.
M1 is insane to think the UFC would co-promote. Fuck Fedor.
His is making a mockery of himself. Shame really.
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I agree that it is his manager that is causing the problems, but ultimately Fedor
has the final say so.
M1 is insane to think the UFC would co-promote. Fuck Fedor.
His is making a mockery of himself. Shame really.
It's funny, I used to think Dana and the UFC were the fucked up ones passing up a great opportunity, but now we all see who the real problem was all along - vadim.
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I agree that it is his manager that is causing the problems, but ultimately Fedor
has the final say so.
M1 is insane to think the UFC would co-promote. Fuck Fedor.
His is making a mockery of himself. Shame really.
QFT.
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I agree that it is his manager that is causing the problems, but ultimately Fedor
has the final say so.
M1 is insane to think the UFC would co-promote. Fuck Fedor.
His is making a mockery of himself. Shame really.
Isn't fedor a partial owned of the m-1 thing? Meaning he would have a direct financial benefit from the possible co-promotion?
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Classic!
UFC getting schooled in business 101 by M-1
PWNED
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all this drama over a soft flappy guy who is quiet and timid looking >:( ;D
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/29/968573/report-what-the-ufc-offered-fedor
The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 million a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
That is mainstream sport salary.... man.......Fedor should have a say, does he really want to fight bums for less money all the way till he retires?? ???
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Hate to type this but Fedor is a puppet.
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HOLY SHIT!!!! :o :o :o
As I typed in the other thread, Fedor is confirmed to be a warm cash cow orifice to "Finki's" Pinky.
If this is true!!!
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M-1 wants the easy way out......
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Classic!
UFC getting schooled in business 101 by M-1
PWNED
Yea...M1 is really schooling the UFC ::) They are using the UFC to try and get exposure. Who needs who?
The UFC will be fine without Fedor...Can't say the same about M1 WITH Fedor.
Affliction and Bodog had Fedor and look what happened to them?
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- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's $5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
FEDOR IS A FUCKING PUSSY!!!! After reading this, I've lost all respect for him.
**If this was posted already my apologies.
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Classic!
UFC getting schooled in business 101 by M-1
PWNED
The only ones getting pwned are the fans and Fedor. The UFC doesn't need Fedor and M-1 doesn't give a shit about Fedor. Did you see what Zuffa offered?
- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Fucking unreal.
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M-1 wants the easy way out......
Fedor needs to use his head. Fedor has tried to fight in two other orgs that still could
not survive using his name. Why is M-1 going to be any different?
At least with the UFC he has security.
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By now it’s no secret that former Pride FC Heavyweight Champion and Affliction headliner Fedor Emelianenko is being vigorously pursued by most of the world’s mixed martial arts promotions following the untimely demise of his previous employer, Affliction MMA.
Topping the list of potential suitors is Dana White, president of The Ultimate Fighting Championship, who no doubt sees the biggest pay-per-view (PPV) of all time in his company’s future should he somehow finagle a heavyweight superfight between the Russian Rancor and Zuffa’s pale powerhouse, Brock Lesnar.
Our friends at BloodyElbow posted a report from radio host Carmichael Dave stating that the UFC allegedly offered Emelianenko the most lucrative contract in the history of the sport, practically bending to every demand from his management team — except one:
The UFC offered Fedor a six-fight, 30 million dollar contract (based on Zuffa’s projections of future PPV revenue).
The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot.
The UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the championship PPV on top of Fedor’s purse anticipating Lesnar vs. Fedor as the biggest PPV in MMA history.
Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 sponsored items as he wanted.
The UFC would grant Fedor the ability to compete in combat Sambo tournaments.
So what’s the hold up? Vadim “Co-promotion” Finkelchtein, it seems.
“The Last Emperor” operates under the power of the M-1 Global President and Co-Owner for all his business dealings. It’s co-promote or bust for Vaddy. And despite the bags of money that White and Co. have been leaving at the Russian’s doorstep, Fedor appears unmotivated to secure a deal.
From his July 29 press conference:
“The offer which was made by the UFC is not interesting for us. I completely trust Vadim and I completely trust our team in M-1 Global.”
Most of the mixed martial arts community has been screaming for some sort of forced intervention. What’s ironic is that most negotiations fall through because the star being courted is demanding an obscene amount of money.
In this case the negotiations are falling through because he’s rejecting an obscene amount of money. Welcome to bizarro world, where Finkelchtein is the anti-Boras.
Lest anyone think the MMA fan base has reacted inappropriately by storming the M-1 castle with torches and pitchforks, Fedor’s younger brother Aleksander Emelianenko has also called into question the true motives of Finkelchtein and whether or not he’s serving Fedor or himself.
From his native Sports.ru:
“You can deal with UFC, I know that they have flexible contract system. All these talks about “strict” contract terms with signing with UFC, come ONLY from Vadim Finkelstein, who wants to push his owns business projects through Fedor’s fights.”
Fedor Emelianenko rejects statement from brother Aleks about true motives of Vadim Finkelchtein
The M-1 camp quickly labeled him as a black sheep, lost in his brother’s shadow and unable to focus on his own career. But how much of that is bitter pie and how much of it is actual truth, like most things, doesn’t faze Fedor.
Also from his July 29 presser:
“Well I think that Aleksander unfortunately has no idea about the contracts. He didn’t have a chance to read the contracts and I did. I have a good relationship with Aleksander and not long ago we trained together, but sometimes I cannot understand [his] actions.”
If it’s of any consolation to Aleks, sometimes the mixed martial arts community cannot understand Fedor’s actions either.
Maybe we’ll see him inside the Octagon one day, maybe we won’t. Until then, it’s back to the speculation board as we try and figure out who the best heavyweight fighter in the world might be.
(http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emelianenko-boys.jpg)
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Finklestein has a "choke hold" on Fedor.
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fedor by now must have made some money.so why not beat the shit out of ufc fighters if loses he gets a shit load
of money can retire if he wins hes number one .fedor being a pussy or m1 have really got him by the balls.
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The only ones getting pwned are the fans and Fedor. The UFC doesn't need Fedor and M-1 doesn't give a shit about Fedor. Did you see what Zuffa offered?
- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Fucking unreal.
That's fucking mental...and vadim has the nerve to say that it was an 'ok' offer ?!!? is he on fucking crack !?!?!?
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http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/07/30/fedor-emelianenko-turns-down-three-fight-ufc-contract/ (http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/07/30/fedor-emelianenko-turns-down-three-fight-ufc-contract/)
Fedor Emelianenko said on Wednesday that he does not intend to sign a contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship unless the UFC agrees to promote fights jointly with Emelianenko's promoter, M-1 Global. Since then, several Web sites have reported that Emelianenko had turned down a six-fight contract with the UFC worth $30 million.
FanHouse has learned from a source close to the negotiations, who wished to remain anonymous, that the UFC offered Emelianenko a three-fight contract with a guarantee of less than $2 million per fight.
The source did confirm that Emelianenko was offered an immediate title shot against current UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.
As Jonathan Snowden, the author of 'Total MMA: Inside Ultimate Fighting,' who also spoke to someone with knowledge of the negotiations, pointed out, it is possible that Emelianenko could make up to or even more than $30 million during his UFC run, but that amount wasn't guaranteed up front.
"The number is based on Zuffa's projections of what Fedor's take of the PPV money would be, and the numbers they are projecting are based on selling a ton of PPV's. The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It's true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."
If the pay-per-views in which Emelianenko main events do as well as, say, UFC 100, which reportedly generated approximately 1.5 million PPV buys, he could conceivably make that much, if not more once the PPV escalators kick in.
Vadim Finkelstein, Emelianenko's manager and M-1 Global's CEO, replied "no" when Sherdog asked if a deal could be struck with the UFC without M-1 co-promoting the event.
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this makes more sense. I can see why they (M-1) want to split on promo, but I can also see why dana won't budge.
Dana/UFC: you can make 30 million if you win out
Fedor/M-1: damn that..even if I win out you guys will make a killing....plus I'm not guaranteed beyond the 3 fight deal, probably ufc exclusive, no outside tournaments, no promo's..etc.
Fedor + UFC = not happening .....like I said...dana would have to pay him, they'd both have to 50/50 on alot of stuff and I can see fedor going somewhere else for less $$$ per fight yet have no restrictions very easily.
I'm good either way...no sleep is lost.
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http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/07/30/fedor-emelianenko-turns-down-three-fight-ufc-contract/ (http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/07/30/fedor-emelianenko-turns-down-three-fight-ufc-contract/)
Fedor Emelianenko said on Wednesday that he does not intend to sign a contract with the Ultimate Fighting Championship unless the UFC agrees to promote fights jointly with Emelianenko's promoter, M-1 Global. Since then, several Web sites have reported that Emelianenko had turned down a six-fight contract with the UFC worth $30 million.
FanHouse has learned from a source close to the negotiations, who wished to remain anonymous, that the UFC offered Emelianenko a three-fight contract with a guarantee of less than $2 million per fight.
The source did confirm that Emelianenko was offered an immediate title shot against current UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.
As Jonathan Snowden, the author of 'Total MMA: Inside Ultimate Fighting,' who also spoke to someone with knowledge of the negotiations, pointed out, it is possible that Emelianenko could make up to or even more than $30 million during his UFC run, but that amount wasn't guaranteed up front.
"The number is based on Zuffa's projections of what Fedor's take of the PPV money would be, and the numbers they are projecting are based on selling a ton of PPV's. The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It's true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."
If the pay-per-views in which Emelianenko main events do as well as, say, UFC 100, which reportedly generated approximately 1.5 million PPV buys, he could conceivably make that much, if not more once the PPV escalators kick in.
Vadim Finkelstein, Emelianenko's manager and M-1 Global's CEO, replied "no" when Sherdog asked if a deal could be struck with the UFC without M-1 co-promoting the event.
You noticed this has been posted 2 other times already. It helps to scan the page on topics before you make a new one.
Just thought I would give you a little heads-up.
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You noticed this has been posted 2 other times already. It helps to scan the page on topics before you make a new one.
Just thought I would give you a little heads-up.
where was this posted UFC offered Emelianenko a three-fight contract with a guarantee of less than $2 million per fight.
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this makes more sense. I can see why they (M-1) want to split on promo, but I can also see why dana won't budge.
Dana/UFC: you can make 30 million if you win out
Fedor/M-1: damn that..even if I win out you guys will make a killing....plus I'm not guaranteed beyond the 3 fight deal, probably ufc exclusive, no outside tournaments, no promo's..etc.
Fedor + UFC = not happening .....like I said...dana would have to pay him, they'd both have to 50/50 on alot of stuff and I can see fedor going somewhere else for less $$$ per fight yet have no restrictions very easily.
I'm good either way...no sleep is lost.
Same here.
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where was this posted UFC offered Emelianenko a three-fight contract with a guarantee of less than $2 million per fight.
Fedor's similar pay has to have a new topic when there are several discussing his pay already ::)
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The only ones getting pwned are the fans and Fedor. The UFC doesn't need Fedor and M-1 doesn't give a shit about Fedor. Did you see what Zuffa offered?
- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Fucking unreal.
And you present yourself as a succesfull businessman on the boards ?
Don't simply assume that the 'conditions' M-1 sets or the 'offer' the UFC presents give us any real insight in the negotiations nor the final deal.
What's happening now is simply politics as part of the negotiation proces. By giving out selective parts of information to the press both parties want to put pressure on each other and influence the public opinion which generates tons of media attention as you may or may not have noticed on sites/boards all over the world.
But let's get real here. What is 5 mil a fight worth these days ? 200000 euros or something. Dollar ain't worth shit, Fedor likes to get paid in real money these days!
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And you present yourself as a succesfull businessman on the boards ?
Don't simply assume that the 'conditions' M-1 sets or the 'offer' the UFC presents give us any real insight in the negotiations nor the final deal.
What's happening now is simply politics as part of the negotiation proces. By giving out selective parts of information to the press both parties want to put pressure on each other and influence the public opinion which generates tons of media attention as you may or may not have noticed on sites/boards all over the world.
But let's get real here. What is 5 mil a fight worth these days ? 200000 euros or something. Dollar ain't worth shit, Fedor likes to get paid in real money these days!
$30 million plus PPV money. That's the best offer he is ever going to get. You're smart enough to figure that out aren't you?
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$30 million plus PPV money. That's the best offer he is ever going to get. You're smart enough to figure that out aren't you?
UFC = local, as in village, wannabe gangsters
M-1 = Ivy league organised crime
Figure it out tough guy
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UFC = local, as in village, wannabe gangsters
M-1 = Ivy league organised crime
Figure it out tough guy
::)
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If this is true, not only is Fedor the biggest pussy in MMA, but he's also the most stupid fuck in the history of MMA.
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FEDOR IS A FUCKING PUSSY!!!! After reading this, I've lost all respect for him.
Even the most die-hard Fedor apologists must now admit he's dodging the UFC, and is being a complete pussy not standing up to Vlady. Total fucking idiot.
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After all the lies the UFC spread finally a voice of reason
M-1: Fedor Not Offered $30 Million
M-1 Global is denying a report that Fedor Emelianenko turned down a six-fight $30-million deal this week to join the UFC’s heavyweight ranks.
CBS Radio host Carmichael Dave reported Wednesday that Emelianenko had turned down an agreement that would have paid him $5 million per fight. However, Joost Raimond, CEO for M-1 Global, called the report “completely ludicrous” and said negotiations never even reached the point where the number of fights contracted for Emelianenko was decided.
“I can say that the guaranteed -- and the word ‘guaranteed’ is of great importance here -- the guaranteed offer made by the UFC is less than what Fedor made before,” Raimond said. “The five-million (per fight) is way, way, way out of range. Half of that is even way out of range of what they offered.”
Raimond was not present at the meeting that took place between UFC and M-1 management in Los Angeles earlier this week, but he said he was debriefed shortly afterward. M-1 and UFC officials, including president Dana White, reconvened the next day via teleconference call, where M-1 presented a counteroffer that included co-promotion. No written contact was ever presented.
M-1 President Vadim Finkelstein and Emelianenko were en route to Russia Thursday and could not be reached for comment. UFC officials told Sherdog.com that White is also traveling and their earliest comment would come Friday during a media conference call.
Raimond confirmed that M-1 Global had been presented with the possibility to receive a cut of pay-per-view profits in addition to Emelianenko’s guaranteed pay, but he said no other profit-sharing incentives were presented.
“And there were a number of provisions attached to that offer that made it very much less interesting,” Raimond said.
Many of those provisions involved the branding of M-1 within the UFC organization, according to Raimond.
“We made it clear that Fedor, now and forever is part, even part owner, of M-1 and those two cannot be separated,” Raimond said. “If the rest of M-1 is excluded from any kind of deal, it makes the deal difficult.”
Raimond said a title shot against heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar –- in Emelianenko’s first fight or otherwise -- was not specified during the talks. (UFC President Dana White has publicly stated the Russian would challenge for the title in his first bout with the promotion, though.) Raimond also confirmed that the UFC conceded to allow Emelianenko to continue to compete in sambo, of which he is a national champion and spokesman, and noted during the meeting that the fighter was free to wear M-1 clothing.
“That’s like telling someone they’re allowed to eat,” said Raimond, suggesting it wasn’t a significant concession.
Raimond noted that the M-1 team was disheartened to learn that “unsubstantiated rumors” had been disseminated, and that Internet readers were willing to believe them at face value.
“Sometimes the fans don’t realize that there is a business to run and all these statements, ‘These M-1 idiots, why don’t they just give Fedor to the UFC because they’ve offered him the best money?’ This is a completely unsubstantiated rumor that the UFC has offered the best money for Fedor ever. This is just not the case.”
Raimond emphasized that negotiations with the UFC had been fruitful, even though the fundamental disagreement over co-promotion between the two organizations remains.
“We had a very professional, productive and respectful meeting with the UFC,” Raimond said. “I think both parties walked away (knowing) even though a deal wasn’t made, that a very decent meeting was had.”
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source?
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Once again Minspin spreading fud
M-1: Fedor Not Offered $30 Million
M-1 Global is denying a report that Fedor Emelianenko turned down a six-fight $30-million deal this week to join the UFC’s heavyweight ranks.
CBS Radio host Carmichael Dave reported Wednesday that Emelianenko had turned down an agreement that would have paid him $5 million per fight. However, Joost Raimond, CEO for M-1 Global, called the report “completely ludicrous” and said negotiations never even reached the point where the number of fights contracted for Emelianenko was decided.
“I can say that the guaranteed -- and the word ‘guaranteed’ is of great importance here -- the guaranteed offer made by the UFC is less than what Fedor made before,” Raimond said. “The five-million (per fight) is way, way, way out of range. Half of that is even way out of range of what they offered.”
Raimond was not present at the meeting that took place between UFC and M-1 management in Los Angeles earlier this week, but he said he was debriefed shortly afterward. M-1 and UFC officials, including president Dana White, reconvened the next day via teleconference call, where M-1 presented a counteroffer that included co-promotion. No written contact was ever presented.
M-1 President Vadim Finkelstein and Emelianenko were en route to Russia Thursday and could not be reached for comment. UFC officials told Sherdog.com that White is also traveling and their earliest comment would come Friday during a media conference call.
Raimond confirmed that M-1 Global had been presented with the possibility to receive a cut of pay-per-view profits in addition to Emelianenko’s guaranteed pay, but he said no other profit-sharing incentives were presented.
“And there were a number of provisions attached to that offer that made it very much less interesting,” Raimond said.
Many of those provisions involved the branding of M-1 within the UFC organization, according to Raimond.
“We made it clear that Fedor, now and forever is part, even part owner, of M-1 and those two cannot be separated,” Raimond said. “If the rest of M-1 is excluded from any kind of deal, it makes the deal difficult.”
Raimond said a title shot against heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar –- in Emelianenko’s first fight or otherwise -- was not specified during the talks. (UFC President Dana White has publicly stated the Russian would challenge for the title in his first bout with the promotion, though.) Raimond also confirmed that the UFC conceded to allow Emelianenko to continue to compete in sambo, of which he is a national champion and spokesman, and noted during the meeting that the fighter was free to wear M-1 clothing.
“That’s like telling someone they’re allowed to eat,” said Raimond, suggesting it wasn’t a significant concession.
Raimond noted that the M-1 team was disheartened to learn that “unsubstantiated rumors” had been disseminated, and that Internet readers were willing to believe them at face value.
“Sometimes the fans don’t realize that there is a business to run and all these statements, ‘These M-1 idiots, why don’t they just give Fedor to the UFC because they’ve offered him the best money?’ This is a completely unsubstantiated rumor that the UFC has offered the best money for Fedor ever. This is just not the case.”
Raimond emphasized that negotiations with the UFC had been fruitful, even though the fundamental disagreement over co-promotion between the two organizations remains.
“We had a very professional, productive and respectful meeting with the UFC,” Raimond said. “I think both parties walked away (knowing) even though a deal wasn’t made, that a very decent meeting was had.”
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Fedor expecting 50/50 is beyond unreasonable.
What other "sport" guarantees their athletes 50% of revenue? You don't see the dallas cowboys combined team salary equalling 50% of overall revenue, nor do the Colorado Avalance, the LA Lakers, or the Chicago Cubs.
This Fedor/M1 shit is a joke. Fucking cowardly pussies running from Big Brock is all it is at this point.
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Fedor expecting 50/50 is beyond unreasonable.
What other "sport" guarantees their athletes 50% of revenue? You don't see the dallas cowboys combined team salary equalling 50% of overall revenue, nor do the Colorado Avalance, the LA Lakers, or the Chicago Cubs.
This Fedor/M1 shit is a joke. Fucking cowardly pussies running from Big Brock is all it is at this point.
50/50 meaning fedor may need to back down some on his wanting to partake in tournaments or dana may have to say hey you can do this type of event...etc.etc.
that's what i'm talking about. as far as promotions 50/50 I can see M-1 wanting to be able to at least have some say in their fighter. Not 50 /50 revenue from a uFC event but they still can market their guy...UFC could be saying hell no he's ours 100%...we don't know...this is all speculation..including my opinion....means nothing basically just talk.
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Im kind of enjoying this.
sure it sucks as a mma fan that fedor won't be able to fight ufc fighters.
For mma this is a good thing, UFC can't always get it's way.
I'm enjoying the fact someone/some organization is able to stand up to the UFC.
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mindspin are you on ufc payroll? you suck so their dick all day
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Im kind of enjoying this.
sure it sucks as a mma fan that fedor won't be able to fight ufc fighters.
For mma this is a good thing, UFC can't always get it's way.
I'm enjoying the fact someone/some organization is able to stand up to the UFC.
I am glad they are standing up to the UFC ::)
Affliction tried and look who's side they are on now :o
The UFC offered them a future...they turned it down and will end up like Affliction and Bodog.
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I think the one thing that's gonna result from these negotiation attempts, is that if fedor dos'nt sign, there's probably gonna be a hell of a lot less interest in his fights from here on out....
he gets a certain amount of respect for standing his ground, but that kind of respect dos'nt translate into what he can do against the best out there,and fighting in any other org at this point is like A Rod or manny ramirez going back down to AAA....
looks like fedor may have the term "what if" attached to his name instead of leaving the legacy we all thought he would ..,.
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then why doesn't the UFC or its champions say we'll take on anybody anywhere? This is about UFC trying to dominate MMA with their rules. I don't like that.
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then why doesn't the UFC or its champions say we'll take on anybody anywhere? This is about UFC trying to dominate MMA with their rules. I don't like that.
Bulllshit. The UFC has been MORE than fair. This is a pussy running from Big Brock.
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you've got to be absolutely mindless to assume fedor's a pussy....
then why doesn't the UFC or its champions say we'll take on anybody anywhere? This is about UFC trying to dominate MMA with their rules. I don't like that.
Ufc's just an "in house" organization, and frankly that's good because look at what boxing is...
4 different orgs with 4 different "world titles"...
people want to recognize only one champion and regardless of what you think fedor would do to carwin or lesnar or anyone else....
for the most part, the title recognition is with the UFC..
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Fedor expecting 50/50 is beyond unreasonable.
No it ain't. Fedor is king of the mountain, and UFC lovers just can't take that fact.
What other "sport" guarantees their athletes 50% of revenue? You don't see the dallas cowboys combined team salary equalling 50% of overall revenue, nor do the Colorado Avalance, the LA Lakers, or the Chicago Cubs.
Fedor is more dominant in his sport than any of the above teams.
This Fedor/M1 shit is a joke. Fucking cowardly pussies running from Big Brock is all it is at this point.
You must be on Dana's payroll. Tell him he ain't getting Fedor. I wouldn't trust White any further than I could throw Brock.
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I'm good either way...no sleep is lost.
X2
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Once again Minspin spreading fud
M-1: Fedor Not Offered $30 Million
M-1 Global is denying a report that Fedor Emelianenko turned down a six-fight $30-million deal this week to join the UFC’s heavyweight ranks.
CBS Radio host Carmichael Dave reported Wednesday that Emelianenko had turned down an agreement that would have paid him $5 million per fight. However, Joost Raimond, CEO for M-1 Global, called the report “completely ludicrous” and said negotiations never even reached the point where the number of fights contracted for Emelianenko was decided.
“I can say that the guaranteed -- and the word ‘guaranteed’ is of great importance here -- the guaranteed offer made by the UFC is less than what Fedor made before,” Raimond said. “The five-million (per fight) is way, way, way out of range. Half of that is even way out of range of what they offered.”
Raimond was not present at the meeting that took place between UFC and M-1 management in Los Angeles earlier this week, but he said he was debriefed shortly afterward. M-1 and UFC officials, including president Dana White, reconvened the next day via teleconference call, where M-1 presented a counteroffer that included co-promotion. No written contact was ever presented.
M-1 President Vadim Finkelstein and Emelianenko were en route to Russia Thursday and could not be reached for comment. UFC officials told Sherdog.com that White is also traveling and their earliest comment would come Friday during a media conference call.
Raimond confirmed that M-1 Global had been presented with the possibility to receive a cut of pay-per-view profits in addition to Emelianenko’s guaranteed pay, but he said no other profit-sharing incentives were presented.
“And there were a number of provisions attached to that offer that made it very much less interesting,” Raimond said.
Many of those provisions involved the branding of M-1 within the UFC organization, according to Raimond.
“We made it clear that Fedor, now and forever is part, even part owner, of M-1 and those two cannot be separated,” Raimond said. “If the rest of M-1 is excluded from any kind of deal, it makes the deal difficult.”
Raimond said a title shot against heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar –- in Emelianenko’s first fight or otherwise -- was not specified during the talks. (UFC President Dana White has publicly stated the Russian would challenge for the title in his first bout with the promotion, though.) Raimond also confirmed that the UFC conceded to allow Emelianenko to continue to compete in sambo, of which he is a national champion and spokesman, and noted during the meeting that the fighter was free to wear M-1 clothing.
“That’s like telling someone they’re allowed to eat,” said Raimond, suggesting it wasn’t a significant concession.
Raimond noted that the M-1 team was disheartened to learn that “unsubstantiated rumors” had been disseminated, and that Internet readers were willing to believe them at face value.
“Sometimes the fans don’t realize that there is a business to run and all these statements, ‘These M-1 idiots, why don’t they just give Fedor to the UFC because they’ve offered him the best money?’ This is a completely unsubstantiated rumor that the UFC has offered the best money for Fedor ever. This is just not the case.”
Raimond emphasized that negotiations with the UFC had been fruitful, even though the fundamental disagreement over co-promotion between the two organizations remains.
“We had a very professional, productive and respectful meeting with the UFC,” Raimond said. “I think both parties walked away (knowing) even though a deal wasn’t made, that a very decent meeting was had.”
Soounds like M-1 and Fedor want everything thier way or no way.....fuck'em, nobody is going to miss them.
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Soounds like M-1 and Fedor want everything thier way or no way.....fuck'em, nobody is going to miss them.
its starting to sure look that way to me to, i hate to say this but im hoping fedor aint alittle nervous about big brock and wants to see if someone like cain or carwin could beat the vanilla gorilla or atleast expose some major holes in his game if brock has any major holes in his game. fedor knows that brock is prolly gonna be his toughest test to date, fedors really not used to a cage and we all know brocks putting fedor on his back with his wrestling skills and powerful takedowns and theres a good chance fedor ends up against the cage with that giant ape on top of hiom trying to pound his head into ground beef, thats a no brainer. coleman took fedor down fairly easy not to long ago and colemans old now, brocks much better at takedowns then coleman is at this point in thier careers. 12 years ago was a different story and coleman was prolly the best takedown guy in mma for sure, him and kerr where fairly close. i really dont know what to think about that fight with brock vs fedor, ill tell you one thing, if fedor does win fedors face will look like his face was stuffed in a blender. i dont think theres a chance in hell that fedors gonna come out of that fight unscaved, this could be the fight of the year if not the fight of the decade when it goes down. its gonna happen cause the fans will make it happen by pure pressure, mma fans are the best and also, if were gonna pay those big bucks for tix and ppv its only fair we get to see the best fighters in the world doing battle, im sure everyone wants to see that
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The UFC should just play big bank take little bank and buy M1 out, I bet Fedor himself would take less than what M1 wants him to take but he's been with these guys since the beginning. He wants to be loyal it seems to me and it's costing him in the long run. Dana, buy out M1 like you did the WFA, this is the best solution to me.
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Wise words from the man himself (http://i27.tinypic.com/24y1fzn.gif)
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“Sometimes the fans don’t realize that there is a business to run and all these statements, ‘These M-1 idiots, why don’t they just give Fedor to the UFC because they’ve offered him the best money?’ This is a completely unsubstantiated rumor that the UFC has offered the best money for Fedor ever. This is just not the case.”
Nah ....I've never seen any posts like that on the internet anywhere.....I don't believe him. ;D ;)
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mindspin are you on ufc payroll? you suck so their dick all day
I don't care if it's the UFC or any other organization. I want one dominant organization that has all the best fighters, uniform rules and weigh classes. The alternative is what's happened to boxing. A bunch of title holders and countless weight classes.
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Interesting. He says he has a 3 fight deal with M-1, not that he has ownership. That contradicts what M-1 has said...
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I could have swore I read somewhere that the barnett fight was gonna be the last one he had on his contract....
the amount of misinformation on all of this is pretty silly
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Looks like it's done, I think Dana's officially been pushed to the limit and back again.
“He got offered a f---ing assload of money,” White said. “A ton of money, everything he wanted. He can go fight in sambo every f---ing Thursday night if he wants to. He can do everything he wanted to. We showed them nothing but respect.”
For once I agree with Dana, co-promotion would be ludicrous, vadim is officially a fucknut and piece of shit.
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yep I agree...If it's true he was offered that amount of $ with the opportunity to do sambo & still refused fuck um.
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That's awesome...lol.
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I think he knows he could get beat=PUSSY
Either way...his legacy is gone.
What a disgrace to his fans.
How could anyone root for him again?
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yea I gotta say if the reports are accurate with the amount of $ they offered plus able to do his gay sambo.He's a pussy thats afreaid to take a loss.
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Give me a break. You guys are pawns of the UFC marketing department. Brock has only had 4 or 5 fights and he is the UFC champ? Thats a disgrace to MMA. Who has he beaten? A washed up 45yr old couture, frank mir who never was, and heath herring who was a nobody. Brock has a terrible standup as seen in the 2nd mir fight. All he does is get people on the ground and lay on them. Fedor is 100x the fighter Brock will ever be
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Fedor is 100x the fighter Brock will ever be
He just pussy footed away from an opportunity to prove that.
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Give me a break. You guys are pawns of the UFC marketing department. Brock has only had 4 or 5 fights and he is the UFC champ? Thats a disgrace to MMA. Who has he beaten? A washed up 45yr old couture, frank mir who never was, and heath herring who was a nobody. Brock has a terrible standup as seen in the 2nd mir fight. All he does is get people on the ground and lay on them. Fedor is 100x the fighter Brock will ever be
Well....the UFC just did everything they could to test Brock. It's not the UFC's fault that
Fedor is truly a PUSSY and will not step up to the UFC.
Who do you think Brock should fight next? It's very obvious that the UFC is not
afraid of testing Brock. Can't say the same about M1 can you.
Fedor is done in the MMA world. FACT!
He even dissed his fans.
SHAME.
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after all this, I'll never pay to see fedor fight...
I refuse to put any money in the pockets of M-1 or any promotion that has anything to do with M-1...
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after all this, I'll never pay to see fedor fight...
I refuse to put any money in the pockets of M-1 or any promotion that has anything to do with M-1...
same here....I was on the other side of this argument when the UFC wanted to own Fedors sole.but since they relented and gave him a great deal with the ability to have a life outside of the UFC as well,and he turned it down...fuck um.he's a pussy with idiot's for managers...
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fedors looking real bad these days to the mma community, its his own fault though cause his bluff has been called. the ( dana aint gonna let me do sambo speech) aint cuttin it no more now that the truths out
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you guys honestly think fedor is scared of brock? looks like the ufc marketing team is pretty good
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you guys honestly think fedor is scared of brock? looks like the ufc marketing team is pretty good
thats exactly what the ufc marketing teams strategy is imo, make fedor look like a chicken and pretty much make him come over to fight brock and save face, the ufc are doing a great job of making fedor look like hes ducking brock even if he isnt, who knows fedors motives?
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same here....I was on the other side of this argument when the UFC wanted to own Fedors sole.but since they relented and gave him a great deal with the ability to have a life outside of the UFC as well,and he turned it down...fuck um.he's a pussy with idiot's for managers...
Me three, I think he's either fucking crazy or being played like a fiddle by that piece of human shit finkelstein, fuck them, let them go fight to a sold out audience of 30 in buttfuck, russia somewhere. In my eyes Fedor's an idiot and a waste of time.. and I used to be one of his biggest nuthuggers.
I still can't even get over the nerve of finkelstein regarding co-promotion...put down the crack pipe, m-1 is nothing, and as much as I hate to say it.. the UFC did start cage fighting, they came up with the octagon idea.. most people that talk about MMA don't even call it MMA, they call it UFC or ultimate fighting.
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you guys honestly think fedor is scared of brock? looks like the ufc marketing team is pretty good
There might be a reason he won't sign, but i can assure you it's not because he's afraid of brock.
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same here....I was on the other side of this argument when the UFC wanted to own Fedors sole.but since they relented and gave him a great deal with the ability to have a life outside of the UFC as well,and he turned it down...fuck um.he's a pussy with idiot's for managers...
Bravo.
I applaud you guys who are finally coming around and seeing this sham for what it is, and being man enough to change your opinions and publicly state as much, instead of running like Fedor. As a big fan of the sport of MMA, I'm very disappointed that we're being deprived of what could be some incredible fights, and never knowing whether or not Fedor really deserves his reputation/legacy. I'm no fan of Dana White (even though some of my recent posts may look like it)... but they've bent over backwards to accommodate Fedor, and are doing their best to serve the fans of MMA and deliver a great product. Fedor is just a pussy, and is obviously not very intelligent, letting his management screw him like they are doing.
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same here....I was on the other side of this argument when the UFC wanted to own Fedors sole.but since they relented and gave him a great deal with the ability to have a life outside of the UFC as well,and he turned it down...fuck um.he's a pussy with idiot's for managers...
Glad to see you are coming around...I like fedor. He is just giving me no other option than calling him a pussy.
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Give me a break. You guys are pawns of the UFC marketing department. Brock has only had 4 or 5 fights and he is the UFC champ? Thats a disgrace to MMA. Who has he beaten? A washed up 45yr old couture, frank mir who never was, and heath herring who was a nobody. Brock has a terrible standup as seen in the 2nd mir fight. All he does is get people on the ground and lay on them. Fedor is 100x the fighter Brock will ever be
Who is afraid of who here? Brock is standing in wait for that pussy Fedor?
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I think the only thing holding fedor back is his loyalty to finklestien....
plain and simple...
it dos'nt make the situation anymore acceptable..
but I seriously doubt it's about fedor being a coward !
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I think the only thing holding fedor back is his loyalty to finklestien....
plain and simple...
it dos'nt make the situation anymore acceptable..
but I seriously doubt it's about fedor being a coward !
Agreed....But Fedor is the one looking like a chump.
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Agreed....But Fedor is the one looking like a chump.
agreed...
I'm disappointed on one hand,and on the other I still see him as the #1 ranked heavy in MMA until someone beats him or until his game starts to noticeably slip...
I'll reserve my judgment on where I rank him to what he does in the ring (or cage) instead of his financial choices....
still won't pay my money to see him though !
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He is afraid of Brock, plain and simple. Look at all the other Pride vets who have come over and fought and are enjoying great careers. Fedor knows he can not beat Big Brock so he will fight cans for the rest of his career. What a great ambassador for the sport ::)
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relax danielson...
it's just the internet !
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give me a break you ufc guy assclowns. fedors little brother aleks would beat brocks ass into a pulp.
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give me a break you ufc guy assclowns. fedors little brother aleks would beat brocks ass into a pulp.
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Bravo.
I applaud you guys who are finally coming around and seeing this sham for what it is, and being man enough to change your opinions and publicly state as much, instead of running like Fedor. As a big fan of the sport of MMA, I'm very disappointed that we're being deprived of what could be some incredible fights, and never knowing whether or not Fedor really deserves his reputation/legacy. I'm no fan of Dana White (even though some of my recent posts may look like it)... but they've bent over backwards to accommodate Fedor, and are doing their best to serve the fans of MMA and deliver a great product. Fedor is just a pussy, and is obviously not very intelligent, letting his management screw him like they are doing.
Glad to see you are coming around...I like fedor. He is just giving me no other option than calling him a pussy.
yep just callin it like I see it.What has been offered to Fedor is more than fair.In the past I wouldn't have said that.But now?dude is just lookin bad.I do think it's possible that he's surrounded himself with idiot's that don't have his best interest in mind.
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Maybe Fedor wants to see how Carwin / Velasquez plays out first, then waits to see the winner of Brock vs. winner of Carwin / Velasquez and then fight the winner. If he won that fight, he'd be pretty much undisputed. Might be a strategic move... but yeah, I was hoping to see him fight current UFC champ already. Obviously, he has nothing to prove against the former ones - he's beat so many people are losing count by now.
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I don't care if it's the UFC or any other organization. I want one dominant organization that has all the best fighters, uniform rules and weigh classes. The alternative is what's happened to boxing. A bunch of title holders and countless weight classes.
Quit posting made up shit by you.
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LOL!! Fantastic :D
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-fedorufc073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Excellent article. Fuck Fedor.
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Its funny to hear all of you UFC nut huggers ;D ;D
Who cares if he signs with the UFC...
Fedor will continue to make money and put on good fights..
Next stop for Fedor is Strikeforce... :-*
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LOL!! Fantastic :D
lmao!!!! ;D
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;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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All of these Fedor giffs & spoofs are hilarious....lol!