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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
Maybe your version of "perfect form" is different from theirs... smallest cheat moves make a considerable difference.
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method101 is a nerd
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method101 is a nerd
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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
no, its not
its called concentartion and mind muscle connection
something they engage in and you do not
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no, its not
its called concentartion and mind muscle connection
something they engage in and you do not
Mike Dusa has a point
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maybe they are more concerned with working the intended muscle and not their back and shoulders.
especially with bicep curls you see people working every muscle except the biceps
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maybe they are more concerned with working the intended muscle and not their back and shoulders.
especially with bicep curls you see people working every muscle except the biceps
the only part my body that moves is from the elbow down lol, can't get any better form with standing alternating dumbell curls.
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the only part my body that moves is from the elbow down lol, can't get any better form with standing alternating dumbell curls.
it also depends on when in their work out they are working that particular bodypart
perhaps he already a ton of barbell and other bicep machines and now wants to do concentration curls without you judging him?
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it also depends on when in their work out they are working that particular bodypart
perhaps he already a ton of barbell and other bicep machines and now wants to do concentration curls without you judging him?
i read his workout logs on levrone report, his arms are far bigger than you would expect from the numbers hes lifting.
Then we see guys like Layne Norton who are lifting massive poundages yet their body is smaller than you would expect, your telling me it's because hes not training properly/genetics?
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An experienced lifter can make 10lbs feel like 100lbs they have superior mind/muscle connection. , your muscles dont know "weights" only your ego does.
Your muscles grow by feeding them progressive resistence not loading up the bar and swinging like a nut job.
And You shouldnt be going to the gym to look what other guys are lifting , thats just gay..
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I get confused the exact opposite way. I all the time see kids curling the 50's with smallish arms. I'm standing next to them maybe doing 40's or 35's and my arms are a pretty lean 17 inches pumped. Not huge, but fairly big. I do about 5 sets for biceps. Never felt the need to do these marathon bicep sessions
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i read his workout logs on levrone report, his arms are far bigger than you would expect from the numbers hes lifting.
Then we see guys like Layne Norton who are lifting massive poundages yet their body is smaller than you would expect, your telling me it's because hes not training properly/genetics?
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no, what I am saying is a lot of guys do pre-exhaustion before their main work out. So if you say a big guy benching and now using heavy weights you could form the wrong opinion.
That may not be the case with Levrone but their could be other mitigating factors. Or maybe you are just a beast :-\
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It's not important how much you lift when you get to a certain poundage but rather how you lift that weight and how you can keep that focus in your mind and the muscle that promotes growth.
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An experienced lifter can make 10lbs feel like 100lbs they have superior mind/muscle connection. , your muscles dont know "weights" only your ego does.
Your muscles grow by feeding them progressive resistence not loading up the bar and swinging like a nut job.
And You shouldnt be going to the gym to look what other guys are lifting , thats just gay..
What he said^
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I get confused the exact opposite way. I all the time see kids curling the 50's with smallish arms. I'm standing next to them maybe doing 40's or 35's and my arms are a pretty lean 17 inches pumped. Not huge, but fairly big. I do about 5 sets for biceps. Never felt the need to do these marathon bicep sessions
I feel the same way. They are trying to do as much weight as possible, and not getting much from it.
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An experienced lifter can make 10lbs feel like 100lbs they have superior mind/muscle connection. , your muscles dont know "weights" only your ego does.
Your muscles grow by feeding them progressive resistence not loading up the bar and swinging like a nut job.
Very true. Beginners cheat to make a movement easier, but experienced lifters can get productive results from cheating as long as they do it "right".
And Method, your arms don't grow from curling 60 lb or 80 lb, although that does help a fair bit - they get more stimulus and growth from your holding /supporting the 400 or even 500+ lb that you deadlift or lift as part of other compound exercises, that engage your whole body and make your muscles work in unison, to move the weight as well as stabilize your body.
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I can make a 10kg dumbell feel like 20 while curling, so no need to swing away =)
I do go heavier then 10kg though lol.
WHY is it pepople Have to think every bodybuilding should risk injury and throwing around Massive weights?
Arnold probably still have the best chest even compared to the pro's today, and only benched 130kg? so all these "loser" benching 500 pounds and still having a semi crappy chest, kinda proves its just a bunch of BS trying to go so HEAVY :)
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method is truely not one of getbig's finest posters
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the only part my body that moves is from the elbow down lol, can't get any better form with standing alternating dumbell curls.
But can you feel your biceps going crazy recruiting muscle fibres?
Also Arnold was famously quite strong, supposedly getting up to 8 reps on 405lb at one point for bench.
The videos you've seen are probably from Levrone and Schwarzennegar's repsective "comeback" training, where they had a lot of muscle memory to call upon, and still had a lot of their bulk from when they were huge and trained a lot heavier.
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You don't have 15 and half inches arms moron.
Stop fooling yourself, don't waste your time by posting these shits and go to the gym
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You don't have 15 and half inches arms moron.
Stop fooling yourself, don't waste your time by posting these shits and go to the gym
that is brutal...
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I will try and make a mind muscle connection from now on, so far iv just been focusing on getting the weight up with good form. Squeaze at the top more etc.
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PeteCZ, post a picture or shut the fuck up. p.s why the fuck would i lie about my arms being 15 and a half inches? lol
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Very true. Beginners cheat to make a movement easier, but experienced lifters can get productive results from cheating as long as they do it "right".
And Method, your arms don't grow from curling 60 lb or 80 lb, although that does help a fair bit - they get more stimulus and growth from your holding /supporting the 400 or even 500+ lb that you deadlift or lift as part of other compound exercises, that engage your whole body and make your muscles work in unison, to move the weight as well as stabilize your body.
Very true , take Kiwi as an example here , if he would of concentraited on doing curls for his biceps and pushowns for his tris without worrying about adding scale weight via diet and getting his compounds through the roof then he would not posses the thick physique with 18 inch plus arms that he does today.
Curling does not give you big arms , getting stronger on the compounds with good form whilst adding over all bodyweight is what will turn those peashooters into cannons.You want to add an inch to your guns expect on average a 15 pound bodyweight increase..dont even bother about what Kevin is doing , he is in another leauge to you and I method
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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
I'd be interested to see your version of 'perfect form'. It's extremely easy to lift BIG weights in dumbell curls, as it's easy to recruit other muscles into the movement, not to mention swinging.
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the majority is always wrong
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the majority is always wrong
How big is your one arm mike?
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An experienced lifter can make 10lbs feel like 100lbs they have superior mind/muscle connection. , your muscles dont know "weights" only your ego does.
Only true to a fairly small extent. If this were literally true then no pro would ever curl more than 10lbs or bench 135lbs etc. Why risk injury? Even Levrone was very weight conscious in these new videos despite his fantastic mind-muscle connection, conscious of the absolute load and number of reps he was capable of. I actually remember a supposed Levrone quote in some mag, "I tried going lighter for a while but nothing happened until I grabbed some WEIGHT!" :D I'm sure Levrone could have had one hell of a taxing workout never going higher than 315 on the bench by contracting and squeezing and feeling the muscle working, but for some reason he felt the need to risk injury by blasting out sets with 500lbs.
Most pros will say they are a fan of the mind-muscle connection and how you shouldn't use excessive weights, but when you see them train a large percentage of them use TOO MUCH weight! They can't do the movement without tons of momentum and "cheating". Recent example, Branch Warren. Says since his injuries he now uses peak contraction etc. But look at the vids on MD. Dangerous as hell. A tear can happen any moment.
What I'm saying is that most don't seem to really believe it.
Your muscles grow by feeding them progressive resistence not loading up the bar and swinging like a nut job.
Very true. Phil Hernon has a training philosophy I believe in. He says you should do the movement properly but forget all about "feeling" the muscle. Increase load progressively and the muscle will come.
All the "feeling" in the world won't do much unless the load is increased.
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WHY is it pepople Have to think every bodybuilding should risk injury and throwing around Massive weights?
Maybe because that's what they see the big guys doing, including the majority of pros. ;)
Arnold probably still have the best chest even compared to the pro's today, and only benched 130kg? so all these "loser" benching 500 pounds and still having a semi crappy chest, kinda proves its just a bunch of BS trying to go so HEAVY :)
That's bullshit. Arnold did tons of very heavy training, cheating like crazy on everything.
Tom Platz had the best legs ever. But does this look safe to anyone?
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Very true. Phil Hernon has a training philosophy I believe in. He says you should do the movement properly but forget all about "feeling" the muscle. Increase load progressively and the muscle will come.
All the "feeling" in the world won't do much unless the load is increased.
I just broke a plateau training this way.
I wondered why my bench sucked, and it was because I was trying to "feel" my chest too much.
now I don't give a shit I just load the bar and the next morning the soreness in my chest is greater than ever before
that's the only way I will be training for now on, God bless my joints 8)
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Very true. Phil Hernon has a training philosophy I believe in. He says you should do the movement properly but forget all about "feeling" the muscle. Increase load progressively and the muscle will come.
All the "feeling" in the world won't do much unless the load is increased.
well a Shitload of people say the Exact opposite, and I agree with the Exact opposite, but thats just me :)
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An experienced lifter can make 10lbs feel like 100lbs they have superior mind/muscle connection. ,
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well a Shitload of people say the Exact opposite, and I agree with the Exact opposite, but thats just me :)
They say it, but do they really believe it? I myself believe in the mind-muscle connection to an extent but what I see is that most are very conscious of how much they can lift, despite saying otherwise. And if the pros who supposedly don't believe in load being particularly important really practiced what they preach they wouldn't have to even go to the gym. With all the drugs in their system they could completely fatigue and pump their body at home with push-ups, lateral raises with milk cartons, sissy squats with their body as weight etc.
No, they all go up the rack. They warm up and go up the rack, even if they could get a "good workout" with the 10 pounders.
How often do you see someone train like this even? This type of training would limit load as there's little momentum and no cheating. And this is someone who also believes in load progression.
Swede, can you give an example of a good bb who says load doesn't matter?
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I will try and make a mind muscle connection from now on, so far iv just been focusing on getting the weight up with good form. Squeaze at the top more etc.
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PeteCZ, post a picture or shut the fuck up. p.s why the fuck would i lie about my arms being 15 and a half inches? lol
I saw your arm pics in the other thread you started.....how tall are you??
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I saw your arm pics in the other thread you started.....how tall are you??
6ft.2
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Milos believes in pink dumbells.
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Milos believes in pink dumbells.
Yeah, that's what he says, load isn't important at all. But how much did he have on the hack squat when he tore the quads?
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6ft.2
Well.... at that height (assuming to be true), 15.5 inch arms sounds reasonable...
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Milos believes in pink dumbells.
He's got the arms to back it up 8)
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Yeah, that's what he says, load isn't important at all. But how much did he have on the hack squat when he tore the quads?
"On Jan. 12, 2002, I had a devastating knee injury," recounts Milos. "I was doing a 950-pound hack squat, and my patellar tendon on my right knee literally exploded."
Why in the hell was he doing hacks with that kind of weight when a fraction of that would've been just as good with a little "feeling"?
That's one hell of a hack squat weight though. And Milos' quads were his best body part. Hmm...
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i've seen guys with 50'' chests benching 225 and failing at 10 reps..grunting like a madman at the last 2-3 reps
all drugs?
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method is truely not one of getbig's finest posters
hi method
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I agree with most here...you could be catching a guy doing high reps for more pump after pre exhausting with heavy weight 45 min before you even got there. Mind - Muscle connection has its merits as well.
One thing I didn't notice anyone mention is diet. I don't care how much you lift, how long you lift or how often you got to the gym to lift...if you are not downing clean foods & tons of protein you will NEVER grow. So instead of asking yourself about if others grow because of the poundage they swing, view it as they must know how to properly recover (rest, diet) no matter the weight.
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Very true. Beginners cheat to make a movement easier, but experienced lifters can get productive results from cheating as long as they do it "right".
And Method, your arms don't grow from curling 60 lb or 80 lb, although that does help a fair bit - they get more stimulus and growth from your holding /supporting the 400 or even 500+ lb that you deadlift or lift as part of other compound exercises, that engage your whole body and make your muscles work in unison, to move the weight as well as stabilize your body.
deadlifts wont make your bis and tris grow to any measurable degree.
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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
LOL!! 60s.....a mere warm-up.
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deadlifts wont make your bis and tris grow to any measurable degree.
Not deadlifts alone and not directly. But along with other compound exercises, they make you stronger and bigger overall. Take a guy who's never done deadlifts and heavy rows (along with bench, dips etc), make him work on lifting big weights with good form and his arms will improve noticeably. My point is, bicep or tricep work alone won't be as productive as incorporating heavy compounds into the routine.
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Swede, can you give an example of a good bb who says load doesn't matter?
Where did I claim that?
I was talking about Feeling it.
Alot of pros, cant name any right now though lol had said, If you cant Feel it working, it aint working..
I can Swing up heavy dumbells, when I cant really feel it working my biceps.. :)
muscle mind connection baby =) is what I believe in.
Im not saying you should Always train light though.
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Not deadlifts alone and not directly. But along with other compound exercises, they make you stronger and bigger overall. Take a guy who's never done deadlifts and heavy rows (along with bench, dips etc), make him work on lifting big weights with good form and his arms will improve noticeably. My point is, bicep or tricep work alone won't be as productive as incorporating heavy compounds into the routine.
Spot on
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My point is, bicep or tricep work alone won't be as productive as incorporating heavy compounds into the routine.
agreed but
heavy compounds alone wouldnt be as productive as heavy compounds + direct arm work
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Spot on
Haha what do you know about compounds or lifting heavy, "big" guy? ::)
agreed but
heavy compounds alone wouldnt be as productive as heavy compounds + direct arm work
Absolutely. No arguments there. But I see a lot of guys (mainly beginners) who just do a lot of cable work and machine work for back (like lat pulldowns, cable rows and hyperextensions) for example, and I'm just saying they'd put on a lot more size faster if they incorporated more compounds into their workout.
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Haha what do you know about compounds or lifting heavy, "big" guy? ::)
AHAHAAH!!! There are things, tough stuff? :D
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Absolutely. No arguments there. But I see a lot of guys (mainly beginners) who just do a lot of cable work and machine work for back (like lat pulldowns, cable rows and hyperextensions) for example, and I'm just saying they'd put on a lot more size faster if they incorporated more compounds into their workout.
it depends on how experienced the lifter is, but for the most part i agree.
a beginner or a lifte without good training extincts and form and mind muscle connection.... theyd pretty much HAVE to do hevay compounds to stimulate all the fibers and grow..
but a lifter who knows hwo to work out properly, could kick ass on iso machine work... like seated machine rows, lat pulldowns, straight arm push downs, standing low pulley rows, etc.
personally i like to start with a few feel sets with light weight and high reps on an isolation movement, then do heavy compounds with as much weight as i can use in good form with reps around 4-6...then after i do that i move into isolation mpovements and machine ans work in the 6-12 rep range..... i like this way besti
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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA we all seen your pic, perfect form HAHAHAHAHAHA
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99% of get biggers would put big money that you definatly dont curl 60lbs, even with cheating form................
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I was talking about Feeling it.
Alot of pros, cant name any right now though lol had said, If you cant Feel it working, it aint working..
Sure, that's the case to a degree, especially with multi-joint movements that don't just isolate one muscle group and where the way you perform the lift shifts the load between different groups. But take a movement like leg-extensions where you really can't cheat (if you stay on the pad). One guy never increases load and another does, and does it the exact same way, same tempo, same speed. That's where load is the factor that decides how productive it will be. It's silly for a pro to say "I can make a 10lb dumbell feel like 50lbs and will be just as good for growth". No, 50lbs will be better if you are able to do it "correctly". Execution being the same, load is the factor that decides how much you'll grow.
But, the really funny thing is, like I said, that most pros who say the weight doesn't matter use entirely too much weight a lot of times.
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I laugh when Getbiggers scoff at someone's claim of curling 60lb dbs. "Ok, sure you curled 60s."
Shows me how weak and fragile most of you are.
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he's got 15 inch arms for fucks sake......... ive had 19's, would have struggled with 60's with good form
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he's got 15 inch arms for fucks sake......... ive had 19's, would have struggled with 60's with good form
The guy in the pic definitely does not curl 60s without a lot of cheating and momentum.
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Show me a 1000 people that use perfect form training arms and I'll show you 10 million that don't.
Perfect form can't always be utilized...not if you want to break a barrier and keep moving forward.
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ok... show me someone with 15" arms who curls 60's with half decent form then,,,,,,,, think i'll be waiting along time
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The term "perfect form" is completely and totally relative. I use form that most here would completely criticize yet somehow my arms grow. Hmmmmmmmm.
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method you place is at bbing.com forums, not here. GTFO.
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form is relative to structure and what i right form for one may not be right form for another.... if your using the correct form you will feel the weight in the target muscle without having to focus on it... if you have to put tons of thought into getting your target muscle doing the majority of the work, then your form needs to be adjested..... (with some exceptions being things like rear delts)
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The term "perfect form" is completely and totally relative. I use form that most here would completely criticize yet somehow my arms grow. Hmmmmmmmm.
ok... what im saying is, if in fact he can even pick up the 60lb db, he could maybe only limbo dance the fucker up once or twice if that....
i know form is relative, it should at least resemble a curl tho...
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Not deadlifts alone and not directly. But along with other compound exercises, they make you stronger and bigger overall. Take a guy who's never done deadlifts and heavy rows (along with bench, dips etc), make him work on lifting big weights with good form and his arms will improve noticeably. My point is, bicep or tricep work alone won't be as productive as incorporating heavy compounds into the routine.
great post
the amount of twinks i see training their arms for two hours at a time cracks me up
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I laugh when Getbiggers scoff at someone's claim of curling 60lb dbs. "Ok, sure you curled 60s."
Shows me how weak and fragile most of you are.
exactly.
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I can curl 60lbs dumbells for 8 reps with Perfect form but you have all seen how small my arms are (15 and half inches), then you look at Levrone's newest videos where hes only curling 50s and they are killing him, yet his biceps are much bigger than mine. Also Arnold lifted fairly light weights, never saw him bench more than 120kg and never saw him curl more than 60kg barbell.
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It's all drugs/genetics... :-\
When you do a high volume of work, you are forced to drop the weight. Schwarzenegger was a competitive powerlifter in his early days and put up impresive numbers.
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maybe the fact that they are bigger and lifting less should indicate to you that getting big is not simply done by lifting heavy weights. Like Chick says, "it's not how much you lift, it's how much you look like you can lift." Plus not lifting as heavy will extend your ability to workout injury free.
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most bodybuilders are wweaklings,,very few of us are truly strong,, the strong bodybuilders you see arounnd that look good and still lift very heavy weight will be around 215lb 7-8% at 5'9 5'10 or so ,,after that its all puff and buff with most bodybuilders since they all blow up ,,very few of us actually grow and get truly strong like ron did and like i did and number of others
mj15 approved
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When you see a big guy lifting relatively light weights you see a guy that has checked his ego at the door.you see a guy that has a total grasp on the mind muscle connection.
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Today for biceps I was curling a 50lb barbell and 20lb for hammer curls.
I was training incredibly fast. Fuck heavy weights on biceps theygrow fine on back day
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ok... what im saying is, if in fact he can even pick up the 60lb db, he could maybe only limbo dance the fucker up once or twice if that....
i know form is relative, it should at least resemble a curl tho...
I remember a beginning trainer asked me what i thought of his form on bb curls (after he said how huge and great i was) and I told him.....
FUCK FORM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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