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Good job Bill.
N. Korean leader reportedly pardons U.S. journalists
(CNN) -- North Korean President Kim Jong Il has pardoned and ordered the release of two U.S. journalists, state-run news agency KCNA said Wednesday.
The announcement came after former U.S. President Bill Clinton met with top North Korean officials in Pyongyang to appeal for the release of Laura Ling and Euna Lee, who had been arrested while reporting from the border between North Korea and China.
"Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.
"The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."
The report said Clinton then conveyed a message from President Obama "expressing profound thanks for this and reflecting views on ways of improving the relations between the two countries."
It added, "The measure taken to release the American journalists is a manifestation of the DPRK's humanitarian and peace-loving policy.
"The DPRK visit of Clinton and his party will contribute to deepening the understanding between the DPRK and the U.S. and building the bilateral confidence."
DPRK is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the nation's official name.
The two American journalists had been held in the reclusive communist nation since their arrest in March.
Earlier in the day, White House Secretary Robert Gibbs said Clinton was on a "solely private mission to secure the release of two Americans."
Ling and Lee are reporters for California-based Current TV -- a media venture launched by Clinton's former vice president, Al Gore.
The two were sentenced in June to 12 years in prison on charges of entering the country illegally to conduct a smear campaign. Since the United States has no diplomatic relations with North Korea, efforts to resolve the issue had been handled through Sweden, which represents U.S. interests in North Korea.
The visit by the former president, whose wife, Hillary Clinton, is now the Obama administration's secretary of state, came about three weeks after the United States dropped a request that Ling and Lee be released on humanitarian grounds. Instead, the United States was seeking amnesty for the women, Hillary Clinton said. Watch what may lie behind the pick of Bill Clinton »
A plea for amnesty implies forgiveness for some offense, which could have given North Korea the chance to release the women without feeling that its legal system had been slighted, according to analyst Mike Chinoy, an Edgerton senior fellow on Asia at the Pacific Council on International Policy in Los Angeles.
Prior to the release, Chinoy said, "I suspect that it was made pretty clear in advance that Bill Clinton would be able to return with these two women, otherwise it would be a terrible loss of face for him."
Clinton's mission came as the United States and its allies in the region are seeking to push North Korea back into stalled nuclear disarmament talks. North Korea conducted a nuclear bomb test, its second, in May, and has conducted several missile tests since then. The United Nations responded to those tests by tightening and expanding sanctions on the nation.
North Korea and the United States were on opposite sides in the 1950-1953 Korean War and had no regular contacts before a 1994 crisis over North Korea's nuclear program. North Korea agreed at that time to halt the development of nuclear weapons, but abandoned that accord and withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003.
Clinton had considered visiting North Korea in 2000, near the end of his second term as president. His secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, went to Pyongyang in early 2000 to meet with Kim.
The 67-year-old North Korean leader was widely reported to have suffered a stroke a year ago and is believed to be grooming his youngest son, Kim Jon Un, as his successor.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/04/nkorea.clinton/index.html
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Bill Clinton is the fu*ken man!
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Clinton and the Dems..giving hope to douchebag dictators everywhere.
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Clinton and the Dems..giving hope to douchebag dictators everywhere.
I wonder if Bill is going to ask for a threesome on the plane ride home for services rendered?
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Kim does have some extra Jap hookers he could spare.
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I wonder if Bill is going to ask for a threesome on the plane ride home for services rendered?
probably Bill is a legend among men.
As for 'hope to dictators' hope of what exactly? Bush appeased him and he kept going. At least Bill did what no one else seemed to be able to - bring back those girls. Give credit where it is due HH6
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hey their free thats what matters and we didn't have to spend one trillion dollars iraq war ring a bell
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No...u guys must not understand nKorea...did they do this out of the kindness of their heart? I guess u guys think tis stuff happens in a vacuum. They got something, what will they do next time.
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hey their free thats what matters and we didn't have to spend one trillion dollars iraq war ring a bell
stimulus and health care ring a bell, dip shit...whos gimmick are you anyways?
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Unreal....a hostage ramsom as stated by Charles Krauthhammer. More bullshit....maybe Bill will hop over to Iran and fix that problem.
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Clinton and the Dems..giving hope to douchebag dictators everywhere.
at least Bush didn't let the Nkoreans get away with poor behavior
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I wonder how many barrells of oil it's going to cost us.
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stimulus and health care ring a bell, dip shit...whos gimmick are you anyways?
stimulus was needed for 8 years of failure and was started by your man.dip shit
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stimulus was needed for 8 years of failure and was started by your man.dip shit
Whos gimmick is this?
Rob? Is this yours?
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stimulus was needed for 8 years of failure and was started by your man.dip shit
It was Bush's fault, its evil big oil's fault, its evil big housing's fault, its evil big phara's fault.......waaaaaaa . Back it up Blacken...where did Bush fail. I can list a few...but u libs want it all to be Bush's fault because ur savior is a fucking worthless disgrace to the office and u can't stand to watch him sink. I can tell how bad a week Barry has by the number of the times he blames everybody but himself....sorry douchebag "we're paying for it, u eat it".
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Whos gimmick is this?
Rob? Is this yours?
ah no, and to this subject...
I have no qualms about dissing bush under my own name, when need be. The fact that obama has changed absolutely nothing regarding the war in iraq means bush was probably just following order too. so to me he's more of a puppet fallguy cheerleader than evil mastermind bent on global domination.
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LETS GET SOMETHING RIGHT, DICKY WAS IN CHARGE. AND IF YOU THINK HE DIDN'T MAKE A PROFIT ON THE WAR YOUR A FOOL
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stimulus was needed for 8 years of failure and was started by your man.dip shit
the stimulus was your buddy bro the tarp was all of theirs...
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Ok u said it..own it. Prove to me where he made a profit. Alot of people made profits...including many in the Dem leadership. How about Chairman of the Senate Rules Committee, Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. Blacken ur Kung Fu is WEAK!!!! Keep trying man.
Sen. Feinstein Steers $25 Billion to Agency Linked to Her Husband. So tell me Liberals, what was the problem you had with Dick Cheney's previous employment with Haliburton?
In the November 2006 election, the voters demanded congressional ethics reform. And so, the newly appointed chairman of the Senate Rules Committee, Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., is now duly in charge of regulating the ethical behavior of her colleagues. But for many years, Feinstein has been beset by her own ethical conflict of interest, say congressional ethics experts.
As chairperson and ranking member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (MILCON) from 2001 through the end of 2005, Feinstein supervised the appropriation of billions of dollars a year for specific military construction projects. Two defense contractors whose interests were largely controlled by her husband, financier Richard C. Blum, benefited from decisions made by Feinstein as leader of this powerful subcommittee.
Washington Post:
The headquarters of Murtech, in a low-slung, bland building in a Glen Burnie business park, has its blinds drawn tight and few signs of life. On several days of visits, a handful of cars sit in the parking lot, and no trucks arrive at the 10 loading bays at the back of the building.
Yet last year, Murtech received $4 million in Pentagon work, all of it without competition, for a variety of warehousing and engineering services. With its long corridor of sparsely occupied offices and an unmanned reception area, Murtech's most striking feature is its owner -- Robert C. Murtha Jr., 49. He's the nephew of Rep. John P. Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has significant sway over the Defense Department's spending as chairman of the House Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee.
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Weak.......it must be great to pop off endless lib douchbag talking points without proof.
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stimulus and health care ring a bell, dip shit...whos gimmick are you anyways?
Probably Samson123.
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Probably Samson123.
hmmm good idea havent seen him around in a while either...
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He and "jocktheglide" had a kung-fu fight over who got to put his refridgerator box house where and SAMSON lost. He broke his "shift" key and was forced to quit posting. I couldn't find two bums fighting so u get this.
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Bill Clinton - get shit done.
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He and "jocktheglide" had a kung-fu fight over who got to put his refridgerator box house where and SAMSON lost. He broke his "shift" key and was forced to quit posting. I couldn't find two bums fighting so u get this.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!! ;D
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Cheney has pursued a political and corporate career to make himself very rich and powerful. He is the personification of a war profiteer who slid through the revolving door connecting the public and private sectors of the defense establishment on two occasions in a career that has served his relentless quest for power and profits.
As Defense Secretary, Mr. Cheney commissioned a study for the U.S. Department of Defense by Brown and Root Services , a wholly owned subsidiary of Halliburton. The study recommended that private firms like Halliburton should take over logistical support programs for U.S. military operations around the world. Just two years after he was Secretary of Defense, Cheney stepped through the revolving door linking the Department of Defense with defense contractors and became CEO of Halliburton. Halliburton was the principal beneficiary of Cheney’s privatization efforts for our military’s logistical support and Cheney was paid $44 million for five year's work with them before he slipped back through the revolving door of war profiteering to become Vice-President of the United States. When asked about the money he received from Halliburton, Cheney said. "I tell you that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it."
The Bush administration has dished out lucrative reconstruction contracts in Iraq to favored U.S. based corporations including Halliburton and denied contracts to many Iraqi and foreign based companies. To the conquerors go the spoils was the message on December 11, 2003 when Bush said, “The taxpayers understand why it makes sense for countries that risk lives to participate in the contracts in Iraq, It's very simple. Our people risk their lives, friendly coalition folks risk their lives, and therefore the contracting is going to reflect that.”
Bush’s statement is a stunning admission of how much corrupt corporations control our foreign policy. Under Cheney’s leadership Halliburton out did Enron in using offshore subsidiaries as tax shelters to hide profits to bilk U.S. taxpayers. Halliburton also utilized off-shore subsidiaries to contract for services and sell banned equipment to rogue states like Iran, Iraq and Libya. This would be illegal if done directly by Halliburton.
At last count Halliburton had 58 offshore subsidiaries in Caribbean tax havens. With Cheney at the helm Halliburton’s tax payments to the U.S. went from $302 million in 1998 to zero in 1999, when they also received a refund of $85 million from the Internal Revenue Service.
During Cheney’s tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000, Halliburton Products and Services set up shop in Iran. The Halliburton subsidiary does approximately $40 million a year worth of oil field service work for the Iranian government. 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl visited the subsidiary in the Cayman Islands and found that it had no office and no employees. The mailing address was a local bank with which the subsidiary is registered. Stahl was met there by the bank’s manager who informed her that all mail to the subsidiary is forwarded to Halliburton headquarters in Houston. Halliburton had created the subsidiary to allow itself to do illegal business with a rogue state and to skip out on its taxes in the process.
With Iran’s president vowing to destroy Israel and being accused by the Bush administration of harboring and aiding al-Qaeda operatives, Cheney’s company is doing business with Iran through a subsidiary and dodging its tax obligations to the U.S.
Halliburton has been more closely associated with the invasion of Iraq than any other corporation. Before the Iraq War began, it was 19th on the U.S. Army's list of top contractors and zoomed to number 1 in 2003. In 2003 Halliburton made $4.2 billion from the U.S. government. Cheney stated he had , "severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest."
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) recently asserted that Cheney's stock options which were worth $241,498 a year ago, are now valued at more than $8 million-- for an increase of 3,281% . Cheney has pledged to give the proceeds to charity. Cheney continues to received a deferred salary from the company. He was paid $205,298 in 2001; $162,392 in 2002; $178,437 in 2003; and $194,852 in 2004.
The Congressional Research Service has concluded that holding stock options while in elective office does constitute a “financial interest” whether or not the holder of the options donates the proceeds to charities, and deferred compensation is also a financial interest.
Calling on Cheney to sever his financial ties to Halliburton, Lautenberg points out that the company has already raked in more than $10 billion for work in Iraq, and was handed some of the first Katrina contracts. The company has been criticized by auditors for its handling of no-bid contacts in Iraq, and there have been numerous allegations of over charging for services. Auditors found the firm marked up meal prices for troops and inflated gas prices in a deal with a Kuwaiti supplier. The company also built the American prison at Guantanamo Bay. Lautenberg said, "It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it.”
Cheney’s war profiteering requires redress and justice
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Good job Bill.
N. Korean leader reportedly pardons U.S. journalists
(CNN) -- North Korean President Kim Jong Il has pardoned and ordered the release of two U.S. journalists, state-run news agency KCNA said Wednesday.
The announcement came after former U.S. President Bill Clinton met with top North Korean officials in Pyongyang to appeal for the release of Laura Ling and Euna Lee, who had been arrested while reporting from the border between North Korea and China.
"Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.
The report said Clinton then conveyed a message from President Obama "expressing profound thanks for this and reflecting views on ways of improving the relations between the two countries."
This is what you call "Diplomacy". But meatheads like HH6 woudn't understand that.
Unless bombs drop, grenades go off, tanks roll, and someone is seriously fucking someone or something up,
...it's just weak liberal douche baggery in their eyes, ...even if it accomplishes the same goals without destruction and loss of life or property.
Earlier in the day, White House Secretary Robert Gibbs said Clinton was on a "solely private mission to secure the release of two Americans."
Now even a liberal like me can't even swallow that crap. Let's face it, ...when Bill was elected, America got two for the price of one. Now that Hilary is Secretary of State, ...the same deal applies, ...except now they have plausible deniability without establishing any "official" precedents or responsibility, or need to save face, if negotiations go south.
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Well done Clinton.
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Well done Clinton.
does he read getbig?
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true colors... how did I know some people would have nothing good to say about this. Take a look at the people in this thread that had nothing good to say about this. These are the people you can't trust with anything they say. They're so bias, so filled with anger, they've made up their minds on things that haven't even happend yet. They'll give no credit where due. I'm not a big Clinton fan whatsoever but I can't find anything in this to immediately mock. WTF? Talk about a character flaw... Some of you would fit right in over at the Hannity forums. They were mocking Clinton within minutes of the news.
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I love how the democrat haters can't say a damn thing good about people when good shit gets done.
Weren't people upset because they swore that these Democrats wouldn't get anything done and those poor reporters would be fucked?
Yet here they are... Free and clear.
Fucking democrats. ::)
So since taking office, Obamas staff or an extension of it have.
1. Shown force by smacking down some Somali Pirates.
2. Had 2 Journalists freed in North Korea
3. Diverted troops to where the real war should be fought, Afghanistan.
Yeah, he sure seems like a pussy who doesn't get anything done.
Morons.
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they're critical of everything and everyone left of center. It's not about what's right or wrong/good or bad for them, it's about seeing a dem or liberal fail and that's all it's about. So I really don't know why anyone should take anything they say serious?
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It just doesn't make any sense...
Ok, fine... You think Obama spends too much money... I get that.
You think his Healthcare plan or Cap & Trade will cause your costs to rise... Ok... I can even get that.
But to sit here and tell me that the Pirates were handled poorly, or that NK didn't release the prisoners due to what a "liberal democrat" said or didn't say, is ridiculous.
That's just being a right wing lunatic... Not at all an independent thinker.
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It just doesn't make any sense...
Ok, fine... You think Obama spends too much money... I get that.
You think his Healthcare plan or Cap & Trade will cause your costs to rise... Ok... I can even get that.
But to sit here and tell me that the Pirates were handled poorly, or that NK didn't release the prisoners due to what a "liberal democrat" said or didn't say, is ridiculous.
That's just being a right wing lunatic... Not at all an independent thinker.
The pirates were handled properly.
However, I want to know what North korea got in return that we are not being told about. Kim Jong is not stupid and he definately got something that is not being advertised.
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The pirates were handled properly.
However, I want to know what North korea got in return that we are not being told about. Kim Jong is not stupid and he definately got something that is not being advertised.
Maybe Clinton was just able to use his charm (remember, he won two elections) and play to the ego of Kim Jong Il.
I wouldn't rule that out.
I've heard a female reporter admit that she got turned on by just being in the same room as Clinton and hearing him speak.
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The pirates were handled properly.
However, I want to know what North korea got in return that we are not being told about. Kim Jong is not stupid and he definately got something that is not being advertised.
Why don't you just continue to make up some shit. Like the idiots over at the hannity forums did seconds after the news. No waiting to find out the facts, just make unfounded accusations because it involved Clinton. You know you could have said something like: As long as we didn't give up anything, good job by Clinton in this instance. But no, you would rather just assume the worst and stick to your guns on it. NICE... and exactly why I will not take anything you say serious. You're just another Rush/Hannity/Coulter type. You acted like you weren't, but that's exactly who you've shown yourself to be.
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Why don't you just continue to make up some shit. Like the idiots over at the hannity forums did seconds after the news. No waiting to find out the facts, just make unfounded accusations because it involved Clinton. You know you could have said something like: As long as we didn't give up anything, good job by Clinton in this instance. But no, you would rather just assume the worst and stick to your guns on it. NICE... and exactly why I will not take anything you say serious. You're just another Rush/Hannity/Coulter type. You acted like you weren't, but that's exactly who you've shown yourself to be.
Why? Because I know what NK has done for the past 15 years?
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Maybe Clinton was just able to use his charm (remember, he won two elections) and play to the ego of Kim Jong Il.
I wouldn't rule that out.
I've heard a female reporter admit that she got turned on by just being in the same room as Clinton and hearing him speak.
He could have just bullshitted them like politicians do. and Clinton is one of the best. Maybe telling them that the American People see absolutely no chance at reasonable bargaining with NK. But if they freed these girls, it could open up some trust for the people here and thereby benefiting them greatly in any possible future negotiations. He could have painted it in a way as to make them think they were worth a lot free. That doesn't make it true, nobody here trusts NK and we're not about to start after them going back on everything ever negotiated. But that's exactly what a hostage negotiator would do, they wouldn't be afraid to lie or paint any picture in order to free hostages. Just blows my mind that these guys on the right are so filled with hate for the Clintons that they would state without a doubt that something was bartered for their release...
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He could have just bullshitted them like politicians do. and Clinton is one of the best. Maybe telling them that the American People see absolutely no chance at reasonable bargaining with NK. But if they freed these girls, it could open up some trust for the people here and thereby benefiting them greatly in any possible future negotiations. He could have painted it in a way as to make them think they were worth a lot free. That doesn't make it true, nobody here trusts NK and we're not about to start after them going back on everything ever negotiated. But that's exactly what a hostage negotiator would do, they wouldn't be afraid to lie or paint any picture in order to free hostages. Just blows my mind that these guys on the right are so filled with hate for the Clintons that they would state without a doubt that something was bartered for their release...
This has been in the works for weeks and you seriously dont believe that a deal wasnt alreasdy in the works do you? Come on. Do you really think Clinton would have went over there not already knowing he was coming back with these girls.
And do you seriously believe that this was no coordinated with the WH?
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This has been in the works for weeks and you seriously dont believe that a deal wasnt alreasdy in the works do you? Come on. Do you really think Clinton would have went over there not already knowing he was coming back with these girls.
And do you seriously believe that this was no coordinated with the WH?
So you are a conspiracy theorist now. Love how the ranks of CTr's grows and grows exponentially when a dem is the subject and or when a dem is in office but play the highground skeptic when dems are out of power... Well go on, don't leave it half assed. Fill in the blanks, you've taken the step of just magically knowing the hidden truth here. Lay out the conspiracy. They are over on the hannity forums, you would fit in great there.
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So you are a conspiracy theorist now. Love how the ranks of CTr's grows and grows exponentially when a dem is the subject and or when a dem is in office but play the highground skeptic when dems are out of power... Well go on, don't leave it half assed. Fill in the blanks, you've taken the step of just magically knowing the hidden truth here. Lay out the conspiracy. They are over on the hannity forums, you would fit in great there.
Hugo - I just read that the WH and clinton coordinated this thing for weeks.
This was no fly by night operation.
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Hugo - I just read that the WH and clinton coordinated this thing for weeks.
This was no fly by night operation.
no no no, you're saying something was bardered for the release of the girls. You know this not because you read it anywhere, just because you assume the worst because it's Gore, Clinton and Obama involved. I know this has been going on for weeks, no shit. Gore was talking to them too. So you have a CT going on. When I put out my CTs, I get shit. You have some free pass or what? So let's hear it. What did we give up since you KNOW that to be the case. What's your theory. Who is covering it up? Lay it all out, don't half ass it man. Especially since you're SO SURE...
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no no no, you're saying something was bardered for the release of the girls. You know this not because you read it anywhere, just because you assume the worst because it's Gore, Clinton and Obama involved. I know this has been going on for weeks, no shit. Gore was talking to them too. So you have a CT going on. When I put out my CTs, I get shit. You have some free pass or what? So let's hear it. What did we give up since you KNOW that to be the case. What's your theory. Who is covering it up? Lay it all out, don't half ass it man. Especially since you're SO SURE...
I read that it was to open up possible two way talks.
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333386 has let emotion get in the way now and then lately.
that 'secret service agent fired' headline using a liveleak source was an example of this.
33, i've been guilty of this myself. You jump to conclusions because you want something to be true. you wanted obama to be exposed as a racist for firing this dude, so you ran with an ubsubstantiated rumor. it happens. You just gotta realize youre doing it, step back, and either find a real story to back it, or just shrug it off.
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333386 has let emotion get in the way now and then lately.
that 'secret service agent fired' headline using a liveleak source was an example of this.
33, i've been guilty of this myself. You jump to conclusions because you want something to be true. you wanted obama to be exposed as a racist for firing this dude, so you ran with an ubsubstantiated rumor. it happens. You just gotta realize youre doing it, step back, and either find a real story to back it, or just shrug it off.
On this issue what did I say wrong?
1. I said this was in the works for a long time, which it was.
2. NK definately is getting something - which is mostly liklely the possibility of two way talks.
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I read that it was to open up possible two way talks.
::) Oh the horror........ "promise of possible talks" doesn't mean jack fucking shit and it's not a giveaway of anything. Now a public promise of talks could be argued on your part, but that's obviously not part of the equation. Come on, you had something else in mind. You're talking like something serious was bartered. And what's your source for the promise of talks? Personally, I think a silent promise of possible talks is worth freeing those women. Sad that you don't. And another thing you're all forgetting. If NK got something out of this, anything at all, what would be happening immediately? NK would be parading the info like some kind of special victory. That's a fact, they're all over doing shit like that. So as it stands now, you have nothing and you're just making crap up. You want to shoot out a CT, but don't want to take the same shit for doing it.
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I love how the democrat haters can't say a damn thing good about people when good shit gets done.
Weren't people upset because they swore that these Democrats wouldn't get anything done and those poor reporters would be fucked?
Yet here they are... Free and clear.
Fucking democrats. ::)
So since taking office, Obamas staff or an extension of it have.
1. Shown force by smacking down some Somali Pirates.
2. Had 2 Journalists freed in North Korea
3. Diverted troops to where the real war should be fought, Afghanistan.
Yeah, he sure seems like a pussy who doesn't get anything done.
Morons.
Don't forget, they also:
- Had another reporter, a self-confessed spy convicted of espionage & sentenced to 12 yrs, freed from Iran.
- Attacked the financial meltdown, and got the economy moving in the right direction again.
And pretty soon, they'll be able to add healthcare reform as another feather in their cap. :)
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That's just being a right wing lunatic... Not at all an independent thinker.
Silly man... that's because...
Being a right wing lunatic = Not at all an independent thinker.
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Maybe Clinton was just able to use his charm (remember, he won two elections) and play to the ego of Kim Jong Il.
I wouldn't rule that out.
I've heard a female reporter admit that she got turned on by just being in the same room as Clinton and hearing him speak.
{blush} This is most likely very true. :-[
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Jaguar and HH6, can't you two see that you love each other?
Now, quit tearing these boards apart with your fighting and just kiss already.
We have to get back to discussing bodybuilding.
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Silly man... that's because...
Being a right wing lunatic = Not at all an independent thinker.
Hey Jag - thoughts on this video????