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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ursus on August 05, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
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Some say yes some say no.
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More like a high ratio if testosterone being converted to DHT.
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end of thread
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What does thatmeanjonnynoname in laymans terms please.
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What does thatmeanjonnynoname in laymans terms please.
ummmm
that bas rutten is the shit
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oops i meant NotMrAverage lol
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Baldness is determined by genetics, not test levels. If a guy's genes do not predispose him to baldness, you can pump 3g of test per week into him and he won't lose his hair.
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Where did the link about T levels and hair loss come from?
Why does T make some people lose hair?
I am seriously going epically bald epically fast - I dontcare much but obviously if i had choice i would elect to keep my hair.
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What about body hair? Is it purely genetic as well?
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Testosterone is converted to another hormone called DHT which gives zits, baldening head, etc. How much testosterone turning into DHT have alot to do with genetics. So a person with rather low test levels might having alot of it turn into DHT while another person with high test levels might be the opposite. One could make the argument however that higher test levels = higher DHT levels overall, but that does´nt have to be the case.
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I have no spots, no zits.
I am starting to get much hairy shoulders and back and hands.
Hair is receeding faster now i am mkaing better gains in gym. Better diet and better gains.
recent pic
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I have no spots, no zits.
I am starting to get much hairy shoulders and back and hands.
Hair is receeding faster now i am mkaing better gains in gym. Better diet and better gains.
recent pic
No ear hair - no worries
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Baldness is determined by genetics, not test levels. If a guy's genes do not predispose him to baldness, you can pump 3g of test per week into him and he won't lose his hair.
Exactly. End of thread.
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Hair is receeding faster now i am mkaing better gains in gym. Better diet and better gains.
same here. got a lot thinner once i started training 5 days a week religiously. :(
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Exactly. End of thread.
Still doesn't answer my body hair question above
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then again there is always a exception to the rule
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Still doesn't answer my body hair question above
Body hair is the same as well. There are factors, both internal and external that can trigger growth or fall of hair, like hormonal imbalances or chemotherapy, but if they are addressed / rectified, you revert back to the default state your genetics dictate - ranging from guys who go bald by around 22 to people who still have a full head of hair well into their 80s or 90s.
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URSUS EATING MEAT CAUSES YOUR HAIRLINE TO RECEDE YA BIG BONER
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eating meat causes your body working harder to digest it than anyother food
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JF,
can you post your daily diet? I'm tiring of meat, but without it I think i'll be a little hungry all day.
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URSUS EATING MEAT CAUSES YOUR HAIRLINE TO RECEDE YA BIG BONER
So every guy who eats meat has a receding hairline or is bald? I don't think so.
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JF,
can you post your daily diet? I'm tiring of meat, but without it I think i'll be a little hungry all day.
coffee
some skim milk in the morning too or anytime to help move the bowels, i dont like the whole
few servings of flax seed
bean burrito with cheese in big tortilla=very filling 1-3 a day
some sort of crackers, chips or popcorn= for energy
watermelon, cantelope black grapesand any kind of fruit when i want it
icecream cones "drumsticks" also kinda help to move the bowels and repair the body
peanutbutter sandwich if im craving it
and plenty of water throughout the day
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don't forget Turpentine
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So every guy who eats meat has a receding hairline or is bald? I don't think so.
not petite men who do eat meat=body always taking a break and not firing up there metabolism constantly like bigger guys. bigger guys with huge rancid metabolisms tend to be more bald
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this is just conjecture........but i have been around the gear scene for a long time........it always appeared to me, the best responders to anabolics, were the ones who went bald early from it..............i dont know how their physiology might work, or if they have a more efficient converstion, and that is where the DHT cones from, but yeah, ronnie, nasser, flex wheeler, palumbo, shawn ray...........alot fo the guys who go bald early from juice seem to be hyperresponders
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Simply put...
You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).
Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).
These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.
After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.
There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.
If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.
What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.
The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).
One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).
Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.
...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.
So don't get ripped off... do your own research.
Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.
The Luke
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More like a sign of inferior genetics...
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this is just conjecture........but i have been around the gear scene for a long time........it always appeared to me, the best responders to anabolics, were the ones who went bald early from it..............i dont know how their physiology might work, or if they have a more efficient converstion, and that is where the DHT cones from, but yeah, ronnie, nasser, flex wheeler, palumbo, shawn ray...........alot fo the guys who go bald early from juice seem to be hyperresponders
You havent being around the gear scene long enough to realize that Ronnie is not bald ?
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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You havent being around the gear scene long enough to realize that Ronnie is not bald ?
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
yeah, you got me there, its been a long day
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Simply put...
You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).
Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).
These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.
After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.
There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.
If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.
What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.
The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).
One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).
Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.
...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.
So don't get ripped off... do your own research.
Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.
The Luke
well explained . it's the 5-alpha reductase enzyme that causes the conversion.
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team bald genetics approved thread
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Simply put...
You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).
Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).
These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.
After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.
There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.
If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.
What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.
The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).
One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).
Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.
...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.
So don't get ripped off... do your own research.
Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.
The Luke
Simplt put, you are a bald bastard otherwise you wouldnt know all this.... But props for the scientific insight, interesting
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Simplt put, you are a bald bastard otherwise you wouldnt know all this.... But props for the scientific insight, interesting
...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.
But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.
The Luke
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...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.
But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.
The Luke
Smart man, I have an idiot friend that's 1/2 way bald (like dr. Phil but not quite there yet) and I told him to get propecia a good 8-10 years ago when he still had a full head of hair and had just started to lose it... stupid moron didn't listen to me and now he's half way bald and miserable.
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I'm getting paranoid to the point where I ask the stylist if she thinks I'm thin every time. I think its about to happen. My pops is pretty much bald. Is that product for preventative measures or reparative?(repairative)
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not petite men who do eat meat=body always taking a break and not firing up there metabolism constantly like bigger guys. bigger guys with huge rancid metabolisms tend to be more bald
First it was 'foreign island negroes' now its 'huge rancid metabolisms' .
Your generosity to the Getbig stable of catchphrases is overwhelming.
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Combover -> Tupé -> Hairtransplant -> Broke -> Mirage Hotel
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team bald genetics approved thread
Team Bald Genetics 8)
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...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.
But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.
The Luke
I had a doctor that supervised my cycles, and he had me get a pill splitter and split 5mg tabs into two 2.5 tabs. the same content as Propecia, but covered by insurance because they were prostate pills. Also a prescription lasted twice as long...
A plus is that you will prevent the onset of BPH...
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I have extremely thick hair, but I think it's starting to thin/recede on my temples like this guy...
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More like a high ratio if testosterone being converted to DHT.
which suggests there is more test in the body to begin with.
One thing i noticed is that the people who were going bald at 18 in my school already had almost full facial hair lol.
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which suggests there is more test in the body to begin with.
One thing i noticed is that the people who were going bald at 18 in my school already had almost full facial hair lol.
Don't worry you will get pubes soon.
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Some say yes some say no.
Not necessarily. There can be countless reasons for hairloss, Testosterone is just one of em.
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Where did the link about T levels and hair loss come from?
Why does T make some people lose hair?
I am seriously going epically bald epically fast - I dontcare much but obviously if i had choice i would elect to keep my hair.
Lower your dose dummy
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Falcon with a diet like that it's no wonder you developed gyno.
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I have extremely thick hair, but I think it's starting to thin/recede on my temples like this guy...
(http://images.quickblogcast.com/6194-6047/EasternPromises.jpg)
Balding at the apex of the temples has nothing to do with male pattern balding, it's a different effect and doesn't seem to have any relation to full balding.
It has more to do with the loss of a sort of stunted hair that rings the forehead, somewhat analagous to lanula hair.
Don't worry about this, it's not MPB till you start to thin on top and at the crown of your head.
The Luke
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Baldness is determined by genetics, not test levels. If a guy's genes do not predispose him to baldness, you can pump 3g of test per week into him and he won't lose his hair.
8) Have it just like when I was a teen.
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Balding at the apex of the temples has nothing to do with male pattern balding, it's a different effect and doesn't seem to have any relation to full balding.
It has more to do with the loss of a sort of stunted hair that rings the forehead, somewhat analagous to lanula hair.
Don't worry about this, it's not MPB till you start to thin on top and at the crown of your head.
The Luke
Good news for me, thank you very much!
I'm only 21... I was scared... :P
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...I was going bald: thinning on top and receeding a tiny fraction.
But now I have a relativel full head of hair, been using Proscar for years... no side effects, no problems: would recommend it.
The Luke
Proscar lowers both DHT and Test levels = Full head of hair w/ a limp dick.
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Proscar lowers both DHT and Test levels = Full head of hair w/ a limp dick.
Maybe The Luke doesn't mind cause he's a catcher, so he doesn't consider it a side effect?
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Simply put...
You inherit a gene from your mother which codes for an enzyme which coverts testosterone (T) into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Some versions of his gene code for a slightly altered version of the enzyme, in turn producing an isoformic DHT which behaves like the other (normal) version of DHT at every receptor: same mildly anabolic action; same stimulation of sweat and oil glands in the skin; same "hardening" of skeletal muscle tissue; same secondary sexual characeristics (broadened shoulders, body hair, beard, Adam's apple, deep voice etc etc)... EXCEPT when it comes to its interaction with the hair follicles on the top of the head (forehead to crown).
Isoformic DHT causes an induced auto-immune reaction in these head hairs... the hairs spend less time in their anagen phase (growing), less time in their catagen phase (converting to an unsupported club air), and increasingly more time in their telogen phase (a refractory rest period before renewed hair growth).
These shortened anagen and catagen phases produce shorter, thinner, blonder and wispier hairs (short anagen phase) which don't grow for very long and then don't properly root in the scalp (weak catagen phase), and then the hair follicle "sleeps" for an increasingly extended period.
After a few successive cycles under auto-immune rejection conditions the hairs only grow fuzz for short periods then are effectively permanently dormant.
There are other factors and processes involved (stress, toxicity, alopecia etc) but this is the predominant cause of male pattern balding.
If your mothers brothers are bald, or your maternal grandmothers brothers are bald, you'll probably go bald too... it doesn't matter if yor dad is bald or if your uncles on your dads side are bald.
What you can do, (short of a hair transplant) is take a drug named finasteride (prescription needed in Europe but over-the-counter in the US), which blocks the enzyme creating DHT.
The tiny testosterone boost is offset by aromatase enzymes taking up the slack (the extra test converts to estrogen).
One or two milligrams of finasteride (brand name Propecia) per day will drop DHT levels significantly without any real side-effects. Five milligram tablets (sold as the benign-prostate-hyperplasia drug Proscar) is enough to all but eliminate DHT completely... which in turn slows the bading process to a crawl (but it might make you slightly less horny).
Here in Ireland a 28-day pack of 1mg Propecia tablets (28 mg finasteride total) runs approx 75 euro... whereas a 28-day pac of 5mg Proscar tablets (140 mg finasteride total) runs only 48 euro.
...and the prostate drug (if you can get a prescription) is often covered by health insurance unlike the expensive "cosmetic" hair retention packaging of the same drug. Literally eight times the price.
So don't get ripped off... do your own research.
Also, keep finasteride tablets and the powder from the tablets (if you are cutting 5 mg tablets) well away from any woman of child-bearing years... a tiny amount of finasteride could effectively de-masculinate a male foetus... DHT is pivotal in sexual differentiation.
The Luke
PROSCAR
The most widely used of these is finasteride, sold under the brand name of Proscar. It has been shown to be moderately successful in reducing prostate size in some men and in addressing some of the urinary symptoms associated with BPH. However, it can take as long as six months before it shows results, and the drug has negative side-effects including a direct link to a substantial increase in prostate cancer risk. In fact, men who take this drug have their prostate cancer risk increased 300% according to a 1999 clinical study conducted by the prestigious Norris Cancer Institute of the University of Southern California (USC). Read this study here and ask your doctor if he knows about it. USC Study Links Proscar to Prostate Cancer Among other side effects, it has the potential to decrease libido, cause premature ejaculation and impotence
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for me its about the test, when i was 18-19 i lived a full bodybuilder life had very high test levels natty, and i can remember jus rubbing my head over the table and hair would litterally fall right off, and i mean a good amount, now that i dont train as hard and not living a complete bb lifestyle = less test i no longer shed like a dog. thats me and thats y i will never do roids id b bald in 3 cycle.