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Update on Forrest Griffin (who was absent from the post-fight press conference) from the UG:
"I heard his jaw was dislocated very early in the fight…then he took several more punches to the jaw. Apparently he can’t hear out of the ear on that side either. He left the octagon because he needed medical attention asap. At first they thought his jaw was broken, then said it was dislocated."
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Update on Forrest Griffin (who was absent from the post-fight press conference) from the UG:
"I heard his jaw was dislocated very early in the fight…then he took several more punches to the jaw. Apparently he can’t hear out of the ear on that side either. He left the octagon because he needed medical attention asap. At first they thought his jaw was broken, then said it was dislocated."
That's gotta suck.. poor guy, really shitty injury to sustain... I remember a guy I knew in high school got his jaw broken in a fight, he had to get it wired and eat through a straw for 3 months
afterwards it was never the same either it looked slightly shifted on one side of his face.
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His team has already confirmed that he doesn't have a dislocated jaw.
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His team has already confirmed that he doesn't have a dislocated jaw.
Meaning it's broken or it's neither?
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Why does Forrest act like a baby after a loss? Show some class like BJ Penn ;D
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Why does Forrest act like a baby after a loss? Show some class like BJ Penn ;D
And just how did he act like a baby? Dude thought he had a broken jaw!
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And just how did he act like a baby? Dude thought he had a broken jaw!
I don't fault Forrest for running out if he was injured.
Either way he just got knocked out. I am sure things were a little fuzzy for him anyways after that.
At least he kept his composure and didn't act up like Brock.
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Tim Sylvia almost had his arm ripped off and stuck around after the fight.
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Tim Sylvia almost had his arm ripped off and stuck around after the fight.
Different when you get knocked out though. Guys are always emotional after getting knocked out. Who knows
if he was even thinking correctly.
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Different when you get knocked out though. Guys are always emotional after getting knocked out. Who knows
if he was even thinking correctly.
exactly.
Having a dislocated jaw (or broken for that matter) is a bizarre injury. He wasn't being a baby at all. Just in a state of shock.
I'd hardly call Forrest a baby. He just fought one of the fiercest fighters alive.
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At least he kept his composure and didn't act up like Brock.
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And what does that video clip prove? Nothing but the pain of banging up your jaw.
These guys on here ragging on griffin are ridiculous!
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Is that after Jardine? I dont recall seeing that on Saturday.
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a bunch of us went sat night,physically and mentally he looked GREAT and ROWDY as hell!!!! wanted either to win,but was for forrest. it didnt seem like the usual forrest when he was cracked by silva. thought it was gonna wake him up,then when silva threw the last mailbox fist at him it was over. he tried kicking the ring door open and he was wrestling with people as soon as they opended the door to get away. ran his ass off all the way to the room. all i kept hearing was RUN FORREST RUN!!!
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That isn't even from the same fight dumbshit.
How did Forrest disrespect the UFC or any of it's sponsors?
Forrest can cry all he wants. He has proven he is a warrior. At least he didn't back down from Silva and run around the ring.
Silva is most likely one of the best p4p in the world.
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That isn't even from the same fight dumbshit.
How did Forrest disrespect the UFC or any of it's sponsors?
Forrest can cry all he wants. He has proven he is a warrior. At least he didn't back down from Silva and run around the ring.
Silva is most likely one of the best p4p in the world.
Forrest disrespected himself by running like that.
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Update: Inside Fights has a conflicting report claiming that Forrest Griffin did not sustain a dislocated jaw and hearing loss.
Reports circulated last night and this morning that Forrest Griffin’s decision to leave the Octagon and the arena were due to a possible broken/dislocated jaw and hearing loss. The reports, which were started on a popular MMA message board and circulated widely by the Telegraph, stated that Griffin left in order to seek immediate medical care.
Inside Fights has confirmed with sources close to Griffin’s camp that he did not leave the cage due to injury. While we don’t know why he abruptly left the cage (other than being upset and emotional after his loss), we can confirm that the injury reports are not true.
I’ll update again when I see further confirmation, hopefully with comment from Griffin.
Thanks to Billdo for the tip
Update 2: Good news. More confirmation coming in that Forrest didn’t suffer any injuries.
Reports surfaced on Sunday that Griffin had suffered a jaw injury and that was the reason for his hasty exit, but MMAWeekly.com was able to confirm with representatives from Zinkin Entertainment, Griffin’s management group, that he is physically fine following the Saturday night fight.
Griffin suffered no broken jaw and he is physically okay, said the Zinkin representative, but emotionally he is definitely not dealing well with the loss.
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Forrest disrespected himself by running like that.
Forrest took the knowingly risky fight and gave it his all. He got emotional after a knockout.
Yea...major disrespect. ::)
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Both the way Forrest lost and his reaction to losing was TERRIBLE. Bad job by Forrest all around.
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Forrest took the knowingly risky fight and gave it his all. He got emotional after a knockout.
Yea...major disrespect. ::)
don't you get tired of looking like an idiot around here by living in the past ?
you argue about other people's post counts, but this board and your addiction to it has you seriously by the balls !
have you stopped long enough to take your head out of your ass, and realize that you're the only one taking things way too seriously around here....
get a freakin life kid !@
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If you are injured in the ring, why in the world would you run away from a highly trained doctor? Sounds like someone fucking panicked when hit in a way that no one else seemed to hit him...
Bottom line is you don't run away from highly trained doctors...This is the beginning of the end for forest...
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...This is the beginning of the end for forest...
It's probably already over.
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Both the way Forrest lost and his reaction to losing was TERRIBLE. Bad job by Forrest all around.
...or just a good job by the spider.
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don't you get tired of looking like an idiot around here by living in the past ?
you argue about other people's post counts, but this board and your addiction to it has you seriously by the balls !
have you stopped long enough to take your head out of your ass, and realize that you're the only one taking things way too seriously around here....
get a freakin life kid !@
LOL...Nice way to defend your 3200+ posts :o
I can assure you one thing...this is purely entertainment for me.
Thanks for adding to the show :o
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It's probably already over.
Where can he go? He is a man with a heavyweight frame, with middle weight or lowering punching power, fighting in the light weight division. There is no way he can go down in weight, his frame is much to large, and he would be killed in the heavyweights if he chose to move up. He will be relegated to a gate keeper position in the light weight division right next to Jardine.
I want to be clear; I am not a hater nor I am saying Griffin is a horrible fighter or belittling his accomplishments. Recently, with the fall of arlovski, sylvia and now griffin, it makes you realize how short the shelf life is for an MMA fighter which makes Silva, Fedor and probably Machida, barring injury, all the more unusual.
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Where can he go? He is a man with a heavyweight frame, with middle weight or lowering punching power, fighting in the light weight division. There is not way he can go down in weight, his frame is much to large, and he would be killed in the heavyweights if he chose to move up. He will be relegated to a gate keeper position in the light weight division right next to Jardine.
I want to be clear; I am not a hater nor I am saying Griffin is a horrible fighter or belittling his accomplishments. Recently, with the fall of arlovski, sylvia and now griffin, it makes you realize how short the shelf life is for an MMA fighter which makes Silva, Fedor and probably Machida, barring injury, all the more unusual.
Brilliant assessment! I agree 100% he's screwed... he has the punching power of a 185'er and the frame of a small heavyweight :S
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Brilliant assessment! I agree 100% he's screwed... he has the punching power of a 185'er and the frame of a small heavyweight :S
I agree as well, but everyone acts like Forrest sucks. He has had nothing but top contenders for his young career. Forrest got demolished just like most
fighters when they go against Silva. Forrest may have had some bad losses, but that is what happens when you are going against the best sometimes.
Look at his UFC record. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
Loss Anderson Silva KO (Punch) UFC 101 - Declaration 8/8/2009 1 3:23
Loss Rashad Evans TKO (Punches) UFC 92 - The Ultimate 2008 12/27/2008 3 2:46
Win Quinton Jackson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 86 - Jackson vs. Griffin 7/5/2008 5 5:00
Win Mauricio Rua Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 76 - Knockout 9/22/2007 3 4:45
Win Hector Ramirez Decision (Unanimous) UFC 72 - Victory 6/16/2007 3 5:00
Loss Keith Jardine TKO (Punches) UFC 66 - Liddell vs Ortiz II 12/30/2006 1 4:41
Win Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) UFC 62 - Liddell vs Sobral 8/26/2006 3 5:00
Loss Tito Ortiz Decision (Split) UFC 59 - Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00
Win Elvis Sinosic TKO (Punches) UFC 55 - Fury 10/7/2005 1 3:22
Win Bill Mahood Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 53 - Heavy Hitters 6/4/2005 1 2:18
Win Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) UFC - Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005
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I agree as well, but everyone acts like Forrest sucks. He has had nothing but top contenders for his young career. Forrest got demolished just like most
fighters when they go against Silva. Forrest may have had some bad losses, but that is what happens when you are going against the best sometimes.
Look at his UFC record. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
Loss Anderson Silva KO (Punch) UFC 101 - Declaration 8/8/2009 1 3:23
Loss Rashad Evans TKO (Punches) UFC 92 - The Ultimate 2008 12/27/2008 3 2:46
Win Quinton Jackson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 86 - Jackson vs. Griffin 7/5/2008 5 5:00
Win Mauricio Rua Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 76 - Knockout 9/22/2007 3 4:45
Win Hector Ramirez Decision (Unanimous) UFC 72 - Victory 6/16/2007 3 5:00
Loss Keith Jardine TKO (Punches) UFC 66 - Liddell vs Ortiz II 12/30/2006 1 4:41
Win Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) UFC 62 - Liddell vs Sobral 8/26/2006 3 5:00
Loss Tito Ortiz Decision (Split) UFC 59 - Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00
Win Elvis Sinosic TKO (Punches) UFC 55 - Fury 10/7/2005 1 3:22
Win Bill Mahood Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 53 - Heavy Hitters 6/4/2005 1 2:18
Win Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) UFC - Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005
Agreed. Forrest has fought and beaten some of the best out there! All this talk about him being done is horse shit!
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He got straight up embarrased. Rich Franklin got killed way worse than he did. You didnt see his ass running out of the ring crying like a girl. These guys make me sick. You all bitch about Brock. Well guess what, Brock is a real alpha male FIGHTER with charisma and entertainment value. He's what makes a sport like mma exciting.
You have so many pussies like forrest griffin in the sport that think they have mastered the art because they do half assed kickboxing and boxing drills day in and day out. They train with the same group of losers that provide no challenge for them and then when they get matched up with REAL FIGHTERS like BROCK and SILVA they get ktfo'd. These guys need to step their fucking game up or get the fuck out because they are the reason I don't watch ufc anymore. This sport is flooded with little twinks who think its cute to do mma and get their brown belt in full gi bjj when they have no real natural instinct for the game.
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He got straight up embarrased. Rich Franklin got killed way worse than he did. You didnt see his ass running out of the ring crying like a girl. These guys make me sick. You all bitch about Brock. Well guess what, Brock is a real alpha male FIGHTER with charisma and entertainment value. He's what makes a sport like mma exciting.
You have so many pussies like forrest griffin in the sport that think they have mastered the art because they do half assed kickboxing and boxing drills day in and day out. They train with the same group of losers that provide no challenge for them and then when they get matched up with REAL FIGHTERS like BROCK and SILVA they get ktfo'd. These guys need to step their fucking game up or get the fuck out because they are the reason I don't watch ufc anymore. This sport is flooded with little twinks who think its cute to do mma and get their brown belt in full gi bjj when they have no real natural instinct for the game.
You talk about being a real fighter and mastering the arts etc. I can see silva in that league, but Brock? Come on.
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Lesnar won the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship as a heavyweight.
Hes an elite athlete. Who the fuck is Forrest Griffin besides an ex cop from Georgia.
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My point was that Brock is a naturally talented athlete with the spirit, strength, and mentality of a REAL fighter.
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I agree as well, but everyone acts like Forrest sucked. He has had nothing but top contenders for his young career. Forrest got demolished just like most
fighters when they go against Silva. Forrest may have had some bad losses, but that is what happens when you are going against the best sometimes.
Look at his UFC record. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
Loss Anderson Silva KO (Punch) UFC 101 - Declaration 8/8/2009 1 3:23
Loss Rashad Evans TKO (Punches) UFC 92 - The Ultimate 2008 12/27/2008 3 2:46
Win Quinton Jackson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 86 - Jackson vs. Griffin 7/5/2008 5 5:00
Win Mauricio Rua Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 76 - Knockout 9/22/2007 3 4:45
Win Hector Ramirez Decision (Unanimous) UFC 72 - Victory 6/16/2007 3 5:00
Loss Keith Jardine TKO (Punches) UFC 66 - Liddell vs Ortiz II 12/30/2006 1 4:41
Win Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) UFC 62 - Liddell vs Sobral 8/26/2006 3 5:00
Loss Tito Ortiz Decision (Split) UFC 59 - Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00
Win Elvis Sinosic TKO (Punches) UFC 55 - Fury 10/7/2005 1 3:22
Win Bill Mahood Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 53 - Heavy Hitters 6/4/2005 1 2:18
Win Stephan Bonnar Decision (Unanimous) UFC - Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005
I wasn't trying to knock Griffin but really take an objective look at him. He has won against tough competition, and you can't take that away from him. What is happening is normal. Like a lot of fighters, Griffins skill set and ability have reached their limited. The new breed of fighters like Machida and Silv2a aren't going to exchange punches in the middle of the ring and that makes it very difficult for fighters like Griffin. Silva and Machida will be figured out in time. I have no doubt about that. Every sport progresses in increments, with new fighters bringing something different that initially confuses fighters and that is what we are seeing with Silva.
And also, Griffin's fight career might be young, but he isn't. Age chips away at fighter reflexes and that is especially detrimental to a striker. As they say, the last thing to go is power. Griffin lacks the fire power to fall back on, and if he loses any more of his reflexes, he will be certifiably comatose. Overtime, often a very short period, sluggers like Griffin who take a lot of damage rapidly accelerates the process of decline.
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He got straight up embarrased. Rich Franklin got killed way worse than he did. You didnt see his ass running out of the ring crying like a girl. These guys make me sick. You all bitch about Brock. Well guess what, Brock is a real alpha male FIGHTER with charisma and entertainment value. He's what makes a sport like mma exciting.
You have so many pussies like forrest griffin in the sport that think they have mastered the art because they do half assed kickboxing and boxing drills day in and day out. They train with the same group of losers that provide no challenge for them and then when they get matched up with REAL FIGHTERS like BROCK and SILVA they get ktfo'd. These guys need to step their fucking game up or get the fuck out because they are the reason I don't watch ufc anymore. This sport is flooded with little twinks who think its cute to do mma and get their brown belt in full gi bjj when they have no real natural instinct for the game.
I have to Thank You for not watching UFC! They are doing all they can to rid of fans with your mentality.
I guess it is working.
No offence bro...you can feel how you want about the pussy fighters.
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I wasn't trying to knock Griffin but really take an objective look at him. He has won against tough competition, and you can't take that away from him. What is happening is normal. Like a lot of fighters, Griffins skill set and ability have reached their limited. The new breed of fighters like Machida and Silv2a aren't going to exchange punches in the middle of the ring and that makes it very difficult for fighters like Griffin. Silva and Machida will be figured out in time. I have no doubt about that. Every sport progresses in increments, with new fighters bringing something different that initially confuses fighters and that is what we are seeing with Silva.
And also, Griffin's fight career might be young, but he isn't. Age chips away at fighter reflexes and that is especially detrimental to a striker. As they say, the last thing to go is power. Griffin lacks the fire power to fall back on, and if he loses any more of his reflexes, he will be certifiably comatose. Overtime, often a very short period, sluggers like Griffin who take a lot of damage rapidly accelerates the process of decline.
I wan't talking about you personally :) I was just saying in genereal. I do agree with some of your anylsis.
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I have to Thank You for not watching UFC! They are doing all they can to rid of fans with your mentality.
I guess it is working.
No offence bro...you can feel how you want about the pussy fighters.
Because I dont want to watch a bunch of guys with no talent and no skills lay on each other? I watch guys like Silva because he performs his art to the fucking T. You can't train someone to fight like him. He is just that good. I don't like watching this half assed style of fighting that has taken over. It's boring. Silva got right in Forrests face to bang toe to toe. Thats a true fighter. Sorry if I like entertainment and know what real striking and grappling looks like.
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My point was that Brock is a naturally talented athlete with the spirit, strength, and mentality of a REAL fighter.
Your statement was saying that forrest wasn't a master of the arts etc.. and then went on to indirectly say Lesnar was. You've gotta be kidding. He's a wrestler at best. And VERY new to MMA.
Putting Lesnar in the same sentence with Silva is a joke. You must be new to MMA bro. ::)
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Because I dont want to watch a bunch of guys with no talent and no skills lay on each other? I watch guys like Silva because he performs his art to the fucking T. You can't train someone to fight like him. He is just that good. I don't like watching this half assed style of fighting that has taken over. It's boring. Silva got right in Forrests face to bang toe to toe. Thats a true fighter. Sorry if I like entertainment and know what real striking and grappling looks like.
No need to be sorry. You can watch whatever you want.
What org do you watch? I am just curious.
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No need to be sorry. You can watch whatever you want.
What org do you watch? I am just curious.
He watches G.L.O.W.
(if youre too young to know, do a google search)
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He's very new to mma, you're right. My fucking point is that he is a real fighter. The other guys are not real fighters. They can train day and night and not even come close being a fighter like Brock or Silvia. They have the power, the stamina, the instincts, the reflexes to dominate. It comes naturally for them. There is a difference between guys who train real hard to act as fighters and the winners of matches like forrest vs silva and brock vs mir.
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He's very new to mma, you're right. My fucking point is that he is a real fighter. The other guys are not real fighters. They can train day and night and not even come close being a fighter like Brock or Silvia. They have the power, the stamina, the instincts, the reflexes to dominate. It comes naturally for them. There is a difference between guys who train real hard to act as fighters and the winners of matches like forrest vs silva and brock vs mir.
What do you like to watch if you don't watch UFC?
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He's very new to mma, you're right. My fucking point is that he is a real fighter. The other guys are not real fighters. They can train day and night and not even come close being a fighter like Brock or Silvia. They have the power, the stamina, the instincts, the reflexes to dominate. It comes naturally for them. There is a difference between guys who train real hard to act as fighters and the winners of matches like forrest vs silva and brock vs mir.
I guess it's your opinion and you have a right to it. But I just find it hard to say that he (griffin) isn't a real fighter. He has fought in lower level mma arenas, and has now rising to the ranks of the UFC. How can one claim he's not a "real fighter"? This baffles me.
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What do you like to watch if you don't watch UFC?
I did watch Pride. I was watching DREAM there for a minute when I had HD net but now I don't watch any of it.
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I did watch Pride. I was watching DREAM there for a minute when I had HD net but now I don't watch any of it.
I read somewhere where Spike is going to state to replay all the PRIDE fights.. starts Jan. FYI
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I guess it's your opinion and you have a right to it. But I just find it hard to say that he (griffin) isn't a real fighter. He has fought in lower level mma arenas, and has now rising to the ranks of the UFC. How can one claim he's not a "real fighter"? This baffles me.
It's cool. I'd compare him to kenflo. You'd more than likely see kenflo and think he's suitable as a cross country runner and Griffin a basketball player if you ran into them. There is a different mold for people who actually destroy others like Silva does and guys like forrest who swing for the trees and think of themselves as a knockout artist.
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I wasn't trying to knock Griffin but really take an objective look at him. He has won against tough competition, and you can't take that away from him. What is happening is normal. Like a lot of fighters, Griffins skill set and ability have reached their limited. The new breed of fighters like Machida and Silv2a aren't going to exchange punches in the middle of the ring and that makes it very difficult for fighters like Griffin. Silva and Machida will be figured out in time. I have no doubt about that. Every sport progresses in increments, with new fighters bringing something different that initially confuses fighters and that is what we are seeing with Silva.
Good point
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silva's an old fighter
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Brilliant, LMV. ;D
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Read Forrests book. he praises Anderson a lot (this is before the fight). No wonder he looked so intimidated during the fight. Apparently he'd also a wandy fan.
Pretty funny read but its not a keeper. Borrow it from a library
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I agree Forrest is limited talent wise, but cmon, some of you guys are being unfair.
He beat Shogun, he beat Rampage and I personally feel like he got screwed in the Tito Ortiz fight.
He also had the most memorable TUF finale fight I have ever seen in his bloodbath throwdown against Stefan Bonnar.
Hes a tough guy, a hard worker and he always brings it. Losing by KO to Anderson Silva is nothing to be ashamed of. In case nobody noticed, he hasn't lost a fight since entering the UFC and he only ( arguably) lost one round which was to Henderson.
Silva is pound for pound the best in the world ( With Fedor, Machida and GSP your other arguments). What you saw Silva do, he would do to nearly everyone at 205.
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i thought i was the only one who can tell between a fighter and an athlete.
forrest is not a fighter just like gsp and others. while mma is still young it may take another 10 years to weed out the athletes who have no business in fighting sport period. i hope it doesnt turn into the current state of boxing where no one wants to hurt there opponent out of respect ::)
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i thought i was the only one who can tell between a fighter and an athlete.
forrest is not a fighter just like gsp and others. while mma is still young it may take another 10 years to weed out the athletes who have no business in fighting sport period. i hope it doesnt turn into the current state of boxing where no one wants to hurt there opponent out of respect ::)
GSP isn't a fighter? Youre a f'ing moron dude. Go away
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Mame you have it 110% backward
GSP and Silva= World Class Athletes who happen to be excellent fighters
Forrest and Keith Jardines= Decent Fighters with lots of heart who are not great athletes
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i thought i was the only one who can tell between a fighter and an athlete.
forrest is not a fighter just like gsp and others. while mma is still young it may take another 10 years to weed out the athletes who have no business in fighting sport period. i hope it doesnt turn into the current state of boxing where no one wants to hurt there opponent out of respect ::)
Are you dyslexic
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Mame you have it 110% backward
GSP and Silva= World Class Athletes who happen to be excellent fighters
Forrest and Keith Jardines= Decent Fighters with lots of heart who are not great athletes
gsp is a great athlete no doubt about it. but he tapped due to strikes which makes you a pussy and not a fighter. a fighter is someone who just keeps on fighting back like shamrock and doesnt give in.
i never liked silva. but he is meant to be in a fighting sport. he has got reach, power, accuracy and a good tank
forrest and jardine have heart but have no business in fighting sports because the first thing you have to have in a fighting sport is a good punch. if you dont have that you dont belong in the fighting arena.
when i watched silva vs forrest i was expecting a good match instead forrest got raped and couldnt land a single punch or a take down.
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gsp is a great athlete no doubt about it. but he tapped due to strikes which makes you a pussy and not a fighter.
I stopped reading here
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gsp is a great athlete no doubt about it. but he tapped due to strikes which makes you a pussy and not a fighter. a fighter is someone who just keeps on fighting back like shamrock and doesnt give in.
i never liked silva. but he is meant to be in a fighting sport. he has got reach, power, accuracy and a good tank
forrest and jardine have heart but have no business in fighting sports because the first thing you have to have in a fighting sport is a good punch. if you dont have that you dont belong in the fighting arena.
when i watched silva vs forrest i was expecting a good match instead forrest got raped and couldnt land a single punch or a take down.
To each their own, but this is crazy to me. Plenty of fighters have gotten very far without punching power. ALA Gracie (just one example), this is mixed martial arts, which means you can kick, do JJ, elbow, wrestle, etc.. Yeah guys need to know how to throw a punch, but you don't have to be Mike Tyson.
Tapping due to strikes does not make you a pussy. It means that you get to fight another day, I take it you watch the sport but have never trained or fought? No reason to take punishment if you know your not getting out of it. That is like saying tapping from an arm bar makes you a pussy.. Which means being a dumb fuck like Tim Sylvia and letting Ol Boy break your arm, so you can't fight, which means you don't eat for some of these guys would suck!!!
If you tap from strikes your suspension is shorter, if you get knociked out then your not training or fighting for an even longer period.
Just my two cents, oh and Forrest belongs in this sport as much as Fedor does.
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According to Mame Chuck Lidell never fought anyone and Fedor is a pussy. His opinion is as useful as snake mittens.
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According to Mame Chuck Lidell never fought anyone and Fedor is a pussy. His opinion is as useful as snake mittens.
i do think chuck is shit. always said it always will. u get fed 99% of your career wrestlers then when he fights against a fighter with good hands he gets mauled.
fedor is the best there is, best there was and the best there ever will be. no one can deny that
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To each their own, but this is crazy to me. Plenty of fighters have gotten very far without punching power. ALA Gracie (just one example), this is mixed martial arts, which means you can kick, do JJ, elbow, wrestle, etc.. Yeah guys need to know how to throw a punch, but you don't have to be Mike Tyson.
this isnt 1992 where everyone came in with 1 background, this is 2009 and you have to be well rounded in all aspects. do you have to have a tyson punch? no you dont but at the same time you cant be in mma with shitty stand up like forrest.
Tapping due to strikes does not make you a pussy. It means that you get to fight another day, I take it you watch the sport but have never trained or fought? No reason to take punishment if you know your not getting out of it. That is like saying tapping from an arm bar makes you a pussy.. Which means being a dumb fuck like Tim Sylvia and letting Ol Boy break your arm, so you can't fight, which means you don't eat for some of these guys would suck!!!
when you are in a submission and you cant escape you tap. i got no problem with tapping via submission because you can pop shoulders and break bones. but when you get tko'd by matt sera who is mainly a submission fighter you start asking questions regarding whether the fight is not going his way can he make a come back
If you tap from strikes your suspension is shorter, if you get knociked out then your not training or fighting for an even longer period.
if you have ever fought competitively you would know that even is they do give you a suspension for a long period of time you take 2 weeks of max and then go back to training depending if nothing is seriously hurting you like a broken limb.
Just my two cents, oh and Forrest belongs in this sport as much as Fedor does.
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i do think chuck is shit. always said it always will. u get fed 99% of your career wrestlers then when he fights against a fighter with good hands he gets mauled.
fedor is the best there is, best there was and the best there ever will be. no one can deny that
I will agree with you on one thing...Fedor is the best there was
Too bad he has been fighting cans since the mid 2000's
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I will agree with you on one thing...Fedor is the best there was
Too bad he has been fighting cans since the mid 2000's
He fought people my sister could beat ::)
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I will agree with you on one thing...Fedor is the best there was
Too bad he has been fighting cans since the mid 2000's
I'm not even convinced of "was", either.
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He fought people my sister could beat ::)
I would love to see her against CroCop and Minotauro.
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I would love to see her against CroCop and Minotauro.
Or Coleman or randleman, hell she even may lie underneath a 350 pound hongman choi and armbar the fuck out of him 8)
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I want to be clear; I am not a hater nor I am saying Griffin is a horrible fighter or belittling his accomplishments. Recently, with the fall of arlovski, sylvia and now griffin, it makes you realize how short the shelf life is for an MMA fighter which makes Silva, Fedor and probably Machida, barring injury, all the more unusual.
excellent point, long term success in mma is very rare, Forrest was a very good, not great fighter, but hell, when he fights you know it will be entertaining to say the very least, honestly, I think he has become too civilized, was better when he came to the cage just to kick ass, no crazy plan, just hit or be hit, besides, Silva is a beast
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Some of you guys seem to like sensationalizing shit--- How is this the "fall" of Forrest Griffin?
He lost to an undefeated Rashad Evans and the best pound for pound fighter in the world in Anderson Silva-- Before that he had the 205 belt and had scored victories over Rampage, Shogun, Bonnar and others + he lost a split decision to Tito back when Tito was good ( I felt he won the fight personally).
When you fight the best opponents, your bound to lose sometimes. I would hardly call back to back losses to the best the UFC has to offer a "fall".
Sylvia fell off because people finally figured out ( as if it wasnt blatantly obvious) how to fight him+ Sylvia is a slow, uncoordinated, one dimensonal kickboxer who has zero submission ability. Sylvia was never that good to begin with.
Arlovski got knocked out by Fedor-- Nothing to be ashamed of there. As far as his recent losses go, hes got all the physical tools, but he just makes stupid decisions in the ring and doesnt listen to his corner. If he came back and fought in the UFC heavyweight division now, he would be an immediate contender imo.
All 3 of these guys could still be effective in MMA-- (sylvia not so much) And Arlovski could seriously contend for a title. Forrest can be a top flight contender again, but he is simply not as talented as the best 205 has to offer.
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Some of you guys seem to like sensationalizing shit--- How is this the "fall" of Forrest Griffin?
He lost to an undefeated Rashad Evans and the best pound for pound fighter in the world in Anderson Silva-- Before that he had the 205 belt and had scored victories over Rampage, Shogun, Bonnar and others + he lost a split decision to Tito back when Tito was good ( I felt he won the fight personally).
When you fight the best opponents, your bound to lose sometimes. I would hardly call back to back losses to the best the UFC has to offer a "fall".
Sylvia fell off because people finally figured out ( as if it wasnt blatantly obvious) how to fight him+ Sylvia is a slow, uncoordinated, one dimensonal kickboxer who has zero submission ability. Sylvia was never that good to begin with.
Arlovski got knocked out by Fedor-- Nothing to be ashamed of there. As far as his recent losses go, hes got all the physical tools, but he just makes stupid decisions in the ring and doesnt listen to his corner. If he came back and fought in the UFC heavyweight division now, he would be an immediate contender imo.
All 3 of these guys could still be effective in MMA-- (sylvia not so much) And Arlovski could seriously contend for a title. Forrest can be a top flight contender again, but he is simply not as talented as the best 205 has to offer.
Yea how can it be the end for Forest when you guys said it was the end for BJ too.
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Forrest is a grinder, with a ton of heart, great chin. Not the most athletically inclined. As MMA becomes more lucrative, you will see better and better athletes. The challenge with gifted athletes, no matter what sport is desire. Look at Michael Vick. He admitted he half heartedly tried during his career, and he did so because he could. Someone like GSP, Anderson Silva are fighters who are stud athletes and have applied themselves to making themselves the best they can be. Silva got his black belt in BJJ a couple of years ago from Minotauro. He filled the hole in his game. (A former Chute Boxe fighter with great stand up, but suspect sub defense). GSP is constantly improving, and showed tremendous heart in the Alves fight.
Forrest will always have a place in the UFC because he brings it. He was winning the Evans fight before Rashad got the takedown and finished him with a brutal GNP. Guys like GSP, Anderson, Machida, Lesnar, BJ are the new breed. Great athletes with complete skill set and little holes in their games.
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Forrest is a grinder, with a ton of heart, great chin. Not the most athletically inclined. As MMA becomes more lucrative, you will see better and better athletes. The challenge with gifted athletes, no matter what sport is desire. Look at Michael Vick. He admitted he half heartedly tried during his career, and he did so because he could. Someone like GSP, Anderson Silva are fighters who are stud athletes and have applied themselves to making themselves the best they can be. Silva got his black belt in BJJ a couple of years ago from Minotauro. He filled the hole in his game. (A former Chute Boxe fighter with great stand up, but suspect sub defense). GSP is constantly improving, and showed tremendous heart in the Alves fight.
Forrest will always have a place in the UFC because he brings it. He was winning the Evans fight before Rashad got the takedown and finished him with a brutal GNP. Guys like GSP, Anderson, Machida, Lesnar, BJ are the new breed. Great athletes with complete skill set and little holes in their games.
How the hell are you putting Lesnar's name in there with that grouping? The guy is barely tested. And he's "complete"? He's a great wrestler, but that's about it. COme on now.
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How the hell are you putting Lesnar's name in there with that grouping? The guy is barely tested. And he's "complete"? He's a great wrestler, but that's about it. COme on now.
You are forgetting that he has a great chin! He can take wired baseball bats and chairs to the chin without trouble :o :o :o
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How the hell are you putting Lesnar's name in there with that grouping? The guy is barely tested. And he's "complete"? He's a great wrestler, but that's about it. COme on now.
Lets see, dominated Randy Couture, a former Greco Roman Olympic team member. Beat Frank Mir, a BJJ black belt in devastating fashion. (He was beating down Mir in the first fight before the inane standup by porn stache Mazagatti). Beat Heath Herring by BEATDOWN. He is a former Div National Champion and All american. JUCO all American wrestler who is big, fast, strong. He has picked up his BJJ game by training with Compreido Medeiros (he was raving about his transitions when he did a seminar in Hawaii). Although his striking is limited, he has one punch KO power. My point was, better and better athletes are fighting MMA, and the new breed is that stud athlete who works toward getting their game complete. Lesnar is so freakishly athletic, the little holes in his game can't be exploited.
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Lets see, dominated Randy Couture, a former Greco Roman Olympic team member. Beat Frank Mir, a BJJ black belt in devastating fashion. (He was beating down Mir in the first fight before the inane standup by porn stache Mazagatti). Beat Heath Herring by BEATDOWN. He is a former Div National Champion and All american. JUCO all American wrestler who is big, fast, strong. He has picked up his BJJ game by training with Compreido Medeiros (he was raving about his transitions when he did a seminar in Hawaii). Although his striking is limited, he has one punch KO power. My point was, better and better athletes are fighting MMA, and the new breed is that stud athlete who works toward getting their game complete. Lesnar is so freakishly athletic, the little holes in his game can't be exploited.
Who did he KO in one punch besides ''kurt angle'' and ''steve austin'' ??? ??? ???
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Dude- Lesnar is a great athlete but so far to say he's been tested is absurd.
He's 4-1 and his wins came against a 76 year old Randy Coture who was outweighed by 80 pounds, an equally ancient Heath Herring that was clearly out of shape (Lesnar couldnt finish him either) and Frank Mir, who by anyones measurement is vastly overated and spent the whole fight on his back trying to finesse another cheap ass heel hook type submission victory. Everyone drank the Kool Aid when he finished the 48 year old Noguerra for the first time--- neglecting to mention Noguerra was suffering from like 3 different injuries and had like a 200 degree fever.
Brocks big and mean and a world class wrestler. However, thus far all he's shown hes been able to do is take naps on his ridiculously undersized opponents and throw hammer fists or hooks from the bottom.
Brock may develop into one of those elite guys down the road, but right now-- he isn't a pimple on Silva's, GSP's, Fedor's or Machida's asses IMO. He's just a gigantic hungry wrestler with a mean streak that is taking advantage of a shit poor joke of a heavyweight divison. The elite guys have fought the best of the best in their weight classes and dominated repeatedly.
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Dude- Lesnar is a great athlete but so far to say he's been tested is absurd.
He's 4-1 and his wins came against a 76 year old Randy Coture who was outweighed by 80 pounds, an equally ancient Heath Herring that was clearly out of shape (Lesnar couldnt finish him either) and Frank Mir, who by anyones measurement is vastly overated and spent the whole fight on his back trying to finesse another cheap ass heel hook type submission victory. Everyone drank the Kool Aid when he finished the 48 year old Noguerra for the first time--- neglecting to mention Noguerra was suffering from like 3 different injuries and had like a 200 degree fever.
Brocks big and mean and a world class wrestler. However, thus far all he's shown hes been able to do is take naps on his ridiculously undersized opponents and throw hammer fists or hooks from the bottom.
Brock may develop into one of those elite guys down the road, but right now-- he isn't a pimple on Silva's, GSP's, Fedor's or Machida's asses IMO. He's just a gigantic hungry wrestler with a mean streak that is taking advantage of a shit poor joke of a heavyweight divison. The elite guys have fought the best of the best in their weight classes and dominated repeatedly.
Exactly. You can't put him up there with Silva, GSP and Machida. Just can't. We don't know yet.
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Dude- Lesnar is a great athlete but so far to say he's been tested is absurd.
He's 4-1 and his wins came against a 76 year old Randy Coture who was outweighed by 80 pounds, an equally ancient Heath Herring that was clearly out of shape (Lesnar couldnt finish him either) and Frank Mir, who by anyones measurement is vastly overated and spent the whole fight on his back trying to finesse another cheap ass heel hook type submission victory. Everyone drank the Kool Aid when he finished the 48 year old Noguerra for the first time--- neglecting to mention Noguerra was suffering from like 3 different injuries and had like a 200 degree fever.
Brocks big and mean and a world class wrestler. However, thus far all he's shown hes been able to do is take naps on his ridiculously undersized opponents and throw hammer fists or hooks from the bottom.
Brock may develop into one of those elite guys down the road, but right now-- he isn't a pimple on Silva's, GSP's, Fedor's or Machida's asses IMO. He's just a gigantic hungry wrestler with a mean streak that is taking advantage of a shit poor joke of a heavyweight divison. The elite guys have fought the best of the best in their weight classes and dominated repeatedly.
Perhaps you were trying to be cute, but your age exaggerations were a bit ridiculous. Aren't you about 14 yourself? I guess everyone seems over 45 when your mommy still makes your lunch every day. ;D
You are completely correct overall in that Brock is still largely unproven. You can't turn a guy into a legend after a whopping five professional fights. ::)
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Thanks ::)
I'm 25 years old so your exaggeration is about as accurate as mine. Randy was doing MMA during world war one, so I just did some creative arithmetic.