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Someone took the time to go through the entire 1000 page bill and pull out some disturbing comments. If you had any doubt that the health care debate was meaningless, please read below. This bill20could very well change who we are as Americans by changing the very rights our forefathers fought and died for.
1000 plus pages to a proposed bill? Let's see the Constitution is two pages and the bill of rights is about a dozen. Assuming this is the first draft, does that mean the final will be 500 pages!?
Get busy letting your co-workers, family, friends, neighbors and government health supporters know that the 1000 page plus ObamaCare plan below is scarier than the terrorists in our back yards!
The time to act is now, not after they pass this nightmare!
Dear Friends and Family,
This is more than controlling our health decisions, and our life and death decisions for the elderly, it also gives them the right to access our banks accounts to see if we qualify for their health care, to penalize us if we can afford to buy it and don't, to electronically transfer funds from our accounts to pay for it.
Below is a summary (with reference pages) by some lawyers (Credits below) . There are links for contacting your senator or congressman after the summary if you want to have your voice heard.
At the very bottom I am adding a government link that shows the entire 1018 pages of the proposed health care bill.
They are saying they will be marking it up and making changes to try to get a vote after the recess they are now in. I think they should scrap the whole thing and get somebody else to come up with a plan.
Please read the summary, check the references with the bill. (link to bill, below)
Thank you
Knowledge is Power - FYI
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Gov't will have real-time access to individual's finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.
Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that. Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creat es more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Gov't provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov't has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
(NOTE FROM RJ: The above really does give the government the authority to determine who lives and dies, and when. A government bureaucrat really will be making this decision for you and your loved ones..) Rick Joyner
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. They will insert Government into your marriage. Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. - Hello Big Brother - Literally.
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Gov't will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.
Pg 503 lines 21-25 Gov't may secure data directly from any depart or agency of the US including your data.
Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The "Center" will collect data both published & unpublished (that means public & your private info)
PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps - Can you say unions & ACORN?
PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.
PG 621 Lines 20-25 Gov't will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Gov't know about quality?
Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, Govt will transfer $$ from to other Govt Trust Funds. More Taxes.
PG 624 "Quality" measures shall be designed to assess outcomes & functional status of patients.
PG 624 "Quality" measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc
Pg 628 Sec 1443 Gov't will give "Multi-Stake Holders" Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of "Quality" Measures.
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.
Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Gov't may implement any "Quality measure" of HC Services as they see fit.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed "Quality Measures" for Physician Services &=2 0Dialysis Services.
Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision - Gov't wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.
Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections - Looks okay.
PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency - Gov't will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you'll live.
Pg 676-686 Gov't will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.
Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the Gov't with an $18 million website?
PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of HC plan isn't in Gov't HC Exchange but you qualify for Fed aid, no payment.
PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secr gets complaints (ACORN) on HC provider or supplier, Gov't can do background check.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/ suppliers admittance into HC Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.
PG 722 Sec 1639 Gov't MANDATES Doctors must have face to face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Svcs.
PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same Gov't certifications will apply to Medicaid & CHIP (your kids)
PG 724 Lines 16-22 Gov't reserve s rt to apply face to face certification for patient to ANY other HC service.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforce. proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.
PG 740-757 Gov't sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (Thats your tax dollars people)
Pg 757-762 Fed gov't will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)
Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin
Pg 765 Sec 1711 Gov't will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 Gov't - Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)
Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Svcs include-economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.
Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - "increasing birth intervals between pregnancies." Govt ABORTIONS anyone
Pg 770 SEC 1714 Fed Gov't mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion & State Sovereign.
Pg 789-797 Gov't will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.
Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control Drs' education.
PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Healt h care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. to register. Gov't takes over private payment sys.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Govt will identify individ. ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Govt Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 Gov't will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Gov't for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 Gov't will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Prog. includes Gov't coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 Gov't will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that's Billion.
Pg 865 The Gov't will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Drs.
PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure su pply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Govt will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion.
PG 935 21-22 Govt will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!
PG 936 Govt will develop "Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards" Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Gov't? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women's Health
PG 950- 980 BIG GOV'T core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems; health info sys, etc
PG 993 Gov't will establish school base d health clinics. Your kids won't have a chance.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!
PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?
Mathew D. Staver*
Founder and Chairman Dean and Professor of Law
Liberty Counsel Liberty University School of Law
Offices in Florida, Virginia and the District of Columbia, Lynchburg, Virginia
(800) 671-1776 - Telephone (434) 592-5300 - Telephone
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Thank you for this.
I hope the cult members read this.
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I would suggest that everyone take the time to compare this to the actual bill before
A) Right comes in and screams I told you so
B) Left come in and screams propaganda
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Interesting.
Some of those items are stricter then the Canadian health Act.
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ROFLMAO @ Liberty University and the phony Chain Email.
You people are so easily fooled.
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Ron,
You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such disinformation and outright fabrications on your site. Look how you were able to foll the above posters so easily.
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liberty university? oh brother ::)
let me guress ron...you're a birther and a deather too LOL
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The Liberty Way
The Liberty Way is the student handbook for Liberty University. It outlines the rules for everything from the dress code to academic ethics. There is too much information to mention it all, so I am going to discuss a few of the things that seem to be of the most interest to students. The Liberty Way can be viewed in its entirety at https://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/index.cfm?PID=1417.
DRESS CODE: The dress code at LU has always been a subject for much debate. Liberty University maintains that a dress code is needed to prepare students for serving as "Champions for Christ" in many professional fields. The dress code is therefore guided by the basic principles of cleanliness, neatness, appropriateness, and modesty.
There are different rules for different types of dress. There is class dress, casual dress, formal wear, and swimwear. My first year at Liberty there were definite distinctions between class and casual dress. Beginning in the fall of 2005, however, the dress code was changed to allow students to wear jeans, capris, sweatshirts, and flip-flops to class so long as they are modest. Most students are very happy with this change, especially considering it wasn't too many years ago that female students at LU could not wear pants at all. With the new changes to the dress code, you could almost say that there is no dress code except to enforce modesty and neatness. For example, skirts can be no shorter than the top of the knee (standing or sitting), jeans worn to class cannot have holes, and clothing that reveals the midriff in any position is forbidden.
There is also a dress code for appearance other than clothing. This part of the dress code only applies to men. Hair may never over the ears, collar or eyebrows at any time, and ponytail are not allowed. Earrings and body piercings are forbidden.
ENTERTAINMENT POLICY: Liberty University also has an entertainment policy. Music that is lewd or has anti-Christian lyrics is not allowed. Movies that are rated "R", "NC-17", and "X" and video games rated “A” and “RP” or "M" with descriptors indicating any sexual content, alcohol/drug content, or strong language are prohibited.
CURFEW: Liberty University maintains a curfew for all students. The curfew is enforced by Resident Assistants who perform "curfew checks" every night. The current curfew is: Sunday - Wednesday: 12 midnight
Thursday: 10 p.m. (this is for hall meetings)
Friday & Saturday: 12:30 a.m.
REPRIMANDS: Reprimands are the disciplinary penalties given out by the university. Each semester you start with no reprimands, no matter the number you had during the previous semester. A student can receive reprimands for things such as dress code violations, safety violations, consuming alcohol or associated with people consuming alcohol, committing a misdemeanor, spending the night with someone of the opposite sex, and dishonesty. If a student continues to accumulate reprimands, there are other penalties that are given out such as fines, community service, and possibly administrative withdrawal from the university.
Many people do not understand why LU has these particular rules and standards and think that many of them are pointless. What they should know is that these rules are not only to protect students from harm, but to encourage a Christ-honoring lifestyle that LU has always maintained is its main goal.
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dispute the points, after all True asshat you post video after video from msnbc etc...should we immediately disregard those vids?
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Biology and fossils
Liberty University teaches Young Earth Creationism as a plausible scientific explanation for the appearance of life on earth. The university works with Young Earth creationist organizations including Answers in Genesis
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Biology and fossils
Liberty University teaches Young Earth Creationism as a plausible scientific explanation for the appearance of life on earth. The university works with Young Earth creationist organizations including Answers in Genesis
Wow.
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dispute the points, after all True asshat you post video after video from msnbc etc...should we immediately disregard those vids?
The whole thing is in dispute since it is a phony Chain Email. Did you not understand that?
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The whole thing is in dispute since it is a phony Chain Email. Did you not understand that?
so since its a chain email its not true?
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so since its a chain email its not true?
No. Its not true AND its a Chain Mail that contains no facts. The real hilarious thing is the Liberty addendum. The cruel joke will easily fool the morons even when they realize(doubtful) the punchline at the end of it.
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Mandatory Drug Testing Program
The University instituted an on-going program of mandatory random drug testing in the Fall semester of 1988.
To cooperate fully with Liberty University's drug testing program, including the supervised furnishing of hair, urine or blood samples at a time and place determined by the University for the purpose of laboratory analysis
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Standard Dress for Men
Hair and clothing style related to a counterculture (as determined by the Student Conduct Review Committee)are not acceptable. Hair should be no longer than the middle of the ear. Hair should be cut in such a way that itwill not come over the collar or eyebrows at any time. Ponytails for men are unacceptable. Earrings and/orplugs are not permitted on or off campus nor is body piercing.
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18 Reprimands + $250 Fine + 18 Hours Disciplinary Community Service• Association with those consuming alcohol• Commission of a misdemeanor• Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior• Possession and/or viewing of sexually-explicit material or movies (“X” or NC-17”)• Entering the bedroom of the opposite sex on or off campus.+Failure to properly identify oneself
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so since its a chain email its not true?
Stella posted a link to the bill in pdf format here yesterday:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
Just by looking at the first few bulletpoints in Ron's post you see that it's a bunch of distortions.
My favorite one is this:
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Compared to what page 65 of the actual bill says, there really is no disputing this is a bunch of bullshit.
Unless this is a part of some internet practical joke, you should really be ashamed of yourself, Ron.
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12 Reprimands + $50.00 Fine• Attendance at, possession or viewing of an “R”-rated movie• Deception • Malicious horseplay/behavior (plus financial restitution)• Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration • Possession of a school key without authorization• Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus residence• Entering residence hallway, quad or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex or allowing the same
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4 Reprimands + $10.00 Fine• Absence from required meeting (Convocation, etc.)• Disturbance/non-participation during Convocation • Dress/hair code violation (male or female)• Failure to respond to official call slip within 48 hours (for Student Affairs use only)• Horseplay (plus financial restitution)• Improper personal contact (anything beyond hand-holding) / Improper social behavior• Improper sign out• Music code violation • Out of the residence halls after curfew
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Stella posted a link to the bill in pdf format here yesterday:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
Just by looking at the first few bulletpoints in Ron's post you see that it's a bunch of distortions.
My favorite one is this:
Compared to what page 65 of the actual bill says, there really is no disputing this is a bunch of bullshit.
Unless this is a part of some internet practical joke, you should really be ashamed of yourself, Ron.
link no worky but thank you doggity for addressing the points...
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link no worky but thank you doggity for addressing the points...
So will you pledge to tell or note to anyone that this is entirely fictitious if you see it come up or receive it in an email?
Hopefully Ron will apologize for trying to pass this off as being genuine.
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link no worky but thank you doggity for addressing the points...
It's a 1000-page long pdf file, so it probably takes a while to come up on some computers. It's worth the read just for comedic value. It's not quite as funny as the university by-laws True Adonis posted, however.
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FROM 3333486 Thank you for this. I hope the cult members read this
AS USUAL YOU DIDN'T CHECK THE FACTS AND YOU'RE WRONG
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So will you pledge to tell or note to anyone that this is entirely fictitious if you see it come up or receive it in an email?
Hopefully Ron will apologize for trying to pass this off as being genuine.
not all of it entirely but those sure, I dont get political emails for the most part though...one thing is for sure it was alot easier for AL to do that then for you do look up the shit you did on the source and also alot more helpful in your cause...maybe you could find a youtube clip about them ;)
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not all of it entirely but those sure, I dont get political emails for the most part though...one thing is for sure it was alot easier for AL to do that then for you do look up the shit you did on the source and also alot more helpful in your cause...maybe you could find a youtube clip about them ;)
Since you and the others were initially fooled by that chain email, do you worry that others will be misinformed and fooled as well? Also, what do you think the motivation is behind these type of emails?
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Since you and the others were initially fooled by that chain email, do you worry that others will be misinformed and fooled as well? Also, what do you think the motivation is behind these type of emails?
hahahah where did I say i believed any of this? I told you to debate the points, again TA i prove you to be a jack ass time and time again brosky do us all a favor and go back to posting youtube videos you seem much more intelligent when you do that...
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hahahah where did I say i believed any of this? I told you to debate the points, again TA i prove you to be a jack ass time and time again brosky do us all a favor and go back to posting youtube videos you seem much more intelligent when you do that...
How can you "debate the points" when the "points of debate" are fictitious? What would be the point in treating a fairy tale as fact? By lending credence to fiction as fact and "debating" it as such, you are legitimizing or adding to the possibility that something that blatantly is untrue might be true.
Perhaps I am asking the wrong person this....(belief in invisible sky god and his Jewish Zombie)
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How can you "debate the points" when the "points of debate" are fictitious? What would be the point in treating a fairy tale as fact? By lending credence to fiction as fact and "debating" it as such, you are legitimizing or adding to the possibility that something that blatantly is untrue might be true.
Perhaps I am asking the wrong person this....(belief in invisible sky god and his Jewish Zombie)
LOL you can show them to be fiction as AL did instead of the ignorant way you chose to act...hahahahah on the last statement..
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LOL you can show them to be fiction as AL did instead of the ignorant way you chose to act...hahahahah on the last statement..
Why do YOU think that blatant fictitious Chain Email fooled so many people so quickly here?
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Adonis,
You are using ad hominem attacks against the University.
You have not post one thing that disputes the e-mail.
Argue the facts not the messenger.
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Adonis,
You are using ad hominem attacks against the University.
You have not post one thing that disputes the e-mail.
Argue the facts not the messenger.
he doesnt know what that means...
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Adonis,
You are using ad hominem attacks against the University.
You have not post one thing that disputes the e-mail.
Argue the facts not the messenger.
Compare the actual text of the bill with the Chain Mail please.
Here is the ACTUAL text of the bill.
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SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
(a) MEDICARE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
(A) in subsection (s)(2)—
(i) by striking "and" at the end of subparagraph (DD);
(ii) by adding "and" at the end of subparagraph (EE); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
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"(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));"; and
(B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
"Advance Care Planning Consultation
"(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:
"(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
"(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
"(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
"(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline,
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the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
"(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
"(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—
"(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
"(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
"(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is
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unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a healthcare proxy).
"(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State—
"(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and
"(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).
"(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—
"(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
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"(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
"(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physcians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.
"(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—
"(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and
"(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.
"(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).
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"(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.
"(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.
"(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—
"(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals
and providers across the continuum of care;
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"(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
"(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and
"(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.
"(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—
"(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;
"(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;
"(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
"(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."
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Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
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•HR 3200 IH
1 employer health care markets. Such study shall ex2
amine the following:
3 (A) The types of employers by key charac4
teristics, including size, that purchase insured
5 products versus those that self-insure.
6 (B) The similarities and differences be7
tween typical insured and self-insured health
8 plans.
9 (C) The financial solvency and capital re10
serve levels of employers that self-insure by em11
ployer size.
12 (D) The risk of self-insured employers not
13 being able to pay obligations or otherwise be14
coming financially insolvent.
15 (E) The extent to which rating rules are
16 likely to cause adverse selection in the large
17 group market or to encourage small and mid
18 size employers to self-insure
19 (2) REPORTS.—Not later than 18 months after
20 the date of the enactment of this Act, the Commis21
sioner shall submit to Congress and the applicable
22 agencies a report on the study conducted under
23 paragraph (1). Such report shall include any rec24
ommendations the Commissioner deems appropriate
25 to ensure that the law does not provide incentives
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http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf