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Come on then, who's it gonna be? Someone old school who led the way for the stars of today, like Roddy Piper, Iron Sheik, Ric Flair or Bobby Heenan? Or someone more recent, Chris Jericho, Edge, Randy Orton? Maybe even Vince McMahon?
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The Sheik fit in with what was going on at the time with the Ayatollah
and the Iranian hostages. He was more of a contextual heel. Every worker is a product of the times, but I think Sheik lost some of his momentum after that ordeal was resolved.
Piper will tell you he was the man fans loved & paid good money to hate, the top guy only behind Hogan, and that he drew WM I.
Well, Roddy always was and still is one of my favorites, but… Back when he worked for Don Owens in Portland and even Crockett’s NWA, yes – great heel (even though he did fluctuate between heel & face a bit). And his first couple of years with Vince he was also a despicable antagonist.
But he spent a lot more time as a face in the Fed. and he missed an awful lot of time at that.
To me, he was the original “Stone Cold.” He was the type of heel that played by his own rules, and who the fans eventually cheered. A true heel would’ve kept the fans turned against him. Piper could probably have done this; I believe he chose not to.
I find Orton & Edge to be extremely annoying, though I feel that way about the business in general at the moment.
I consider the greatest heel to be a tossup between Flair & HHH.
Hunter may be starting to overstay his welcome, but between 99-03 he was a true heel. He didn’t go for cheap pops with catch phrases like his buddy Hall. He played the bad-ass while maintaining the fan’s hatred.
Flair, too. He had his followers, but he always made sure that – when making that heel move – EVERYBODY booed him.
That's a good heel - someone you love to hate. You love watching them, you hate what they do, and you can't wait to see what's next.
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Come on then, who's it gonna be? Someone old school who led the way for the stars of today, like Roddy Piper, Iron Sheik, Ric Flair or Bobby Heenan? Or someone more recent, Chris Jericho, Edge, Randy Orton? Maybe even Vince McMahon?
Of all time?
Manager - Bobby Heenan
Female wrestler - Fabulous Moolah
Male Wrestler - Roddy Piper (WWE mid eighties) Drew more heat then the sun itself.
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What about others like Million Dollar Man, Perfect, or Andre?
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What about others like Million Dollar Man, Perfect, or Andre?
DiBiase was technically a heel, but he always wrestled by the book, as in a good, solid technical style.
He would rarely do something like poke someone in the eyes or pull their tights.
His character was heel, but his ring work wasn't very dirty & despicable.
But anyway, yeah - I always liked him as a heel.
Perfect was versatile enough that he could play any part from both a character standpoint AND ring style.
Andre was a natural heel because he genuinely did not like people.
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When Sgt Slaughter did his Iraqie sympathiser gimmick he had recieved several death threats.
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For most fearsome monster heel, no one beats Abdullah the Butcher.
For most frustrating heel, it is Flair. He entered every single match as the underdog and you just wanted to see him get pounded so badly. But he squeeked by and ran out with the title each time pissing you off so bad.
For the overall best heel of all time, I would say Rick Rude. He had the mouth on the microphone, the cocky attitude the technical skill to back it up, the physique, the fearsome finishing move, and could generate heat by doing nothing more than blowing a kiss.
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Between 1984 - 1986 Roddy Piper was hated with passion. He couldn't walk to the ring without getting eggs, cups, etc chucked at him. He had the crowd in the palm of his hand as far as wiring them up goes.
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Between 1984 - 1986 Roddy Piper was hated with passion. He couldn't walk to the ring without getting eggs, cups, etc chucked at him. He had the crowd in the palm of his hand as far as wiring them up goes.
EXACTLY.him and rude as mentioned above,i saw in the early ninties rude get pelted with item after item for just saying those 1st words "what i would like is all you "such and such new jersey swamp "and had his chin pointed high in arrogance.wrestmania 1 piper,mr t ,mr wonderful was cool match,rowdy was awesome when he would stare in disgust at the fans or oponent then attack and throw his kilt over there heads and beat them,guy was a classic.don muraco was good villian till they kinda flipped him towards end of his career,ken patera pissed people off with the olympic sweat suit and they whistle as he took it off then pull it back up till they stopped whistling.
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For most fearsome monster heel, no one beats Abdullah the Butcher.
For most frustrating heel, it is Flair. He entered every single match as the underdog and you just wanted to see him get pounded so badly. But he squeeked by and ran out with the title each time pissing you off so bad.
Totally agree on Abdullah and Flair.
It's tough to judge because during the kayfabe days wrestlers were stabbed and often fought back to the dressing room. Modern guys switch on a weekly basis to the point of it not even mattering....and add that many "faces" wrestle exactly like heels now.....thanks to the "attitude era" for that.
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When Sgt Slaughter did his Iraqie sympathiser gimmick he had recieved several death threats.
Wasn't there a problem with one of the WM's, cos of the death threats?
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Wwe claimed WM 7 was moved due to bomb threats, but the real reason was they couldn't sell out the much bigger LA coloseum.
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Wwe claimed WM 7 was moved due to bomb threats, but the real reason was they couldn't sell out the much bigger LA coloseum.
Ah right, I thought I'd read something somewhere, but couldn't find it again.
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Flair/Piper although Hogan caught alot of shit when he joined the NWO.
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I think hogan as Hollywood hogan was a pretty damn good heel, surprisingly.
Andre was good, so was Savage as a heel.
also Honky Tonk was a GREAT heel. the fans wanted to tear him apart.
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I've gotta go with Flair- arguably all-time greatest, and a heel the majority of the time to boot. Savage played the heel as well as anyone I've ever seen- remember how he'd take five minutes before ever locking up with a guy? Stalking the ring, putting his head through the ropes, you could feel the frustration of every guy he faced.
I do love Honky Tonk Man as a top heel as well, though. I just met him with my kids at Comic-Con in San Diego. I was on the main floor, turned around, and there he was, right behind me. I have to say he was one of the most gracious, courteous guys I've ever met, and seemed really gratified when I told him how much my kids were enjoying his matches with Savage on the new DVD set. BTW, he looked EXACTLY the same as in 1989- it was almost eerie how he hadn't aged.
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I've gotta go with Flair- arguably all-time greatest, and a heel the majority of the time to boot. Savage played the heel as well as anyone I've ever seen- remember how he'd take five minutes before ever locking up with a guy? Stalking the ring, putting his head through the ropes, you could feel the frustration of every guy he faced.
I do love Honky Tonk Man as a top heel as well, though. I just met him with my kids at Comic-Con in San Diego. I was on the main floor, turned around, and there he was, right behind me. I have to say he was one of the most gracious, courteous guys I've ever met, and seemed really gratified when I told him how much my kids were enjoying his matches with Savage on the new DVD set. BTW, he looked EXACTLY the same as in 1989- it was almost eerie how he hadn't aged.
Flair was loved as much as he was hated especially in his prime between 1983-1989 during the horsemen era in the NWA.
Piper was hated with a passion. Youtube some of the old Piper's Pit segments from 1984-1986 when he was heel and see the crowd reaction he gets as far as boos are concerned.
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Jake the Snake played a good heel when he had the feud with Macho Man Randy Savage.
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Jake the Snake played a good heel when he had the feud with Macho Man Randy Savage.
Jake was a great heel both times. I love how he ddt'd steamboat on the floor....that drew major heat from the crowd. Even in his later heel run with savage when he introduced the cobra and was talking with the erie music in the back ground while slapping the back of the cobra's neck.
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Doctor D David Shultz for me..........the original Stone Cold!
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Doctor D David Shultz for me..........the original Stone Cold!
I'll never forget when he smacked out John Stossel for saying wrestling was "fake". Fuck did he ever crack him one.
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yeah, what a famous slap that was.
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Jake was awesome as heel, face and tweener.
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Jake was awesome as heel, face and tweener.
I always liked to watch jake. He was my favorite wrestler in the eighties and early ninties. Great face but a much better heel.
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Anyone have the clip of when the snake bites the Warrior and as he goes groggy you see the Undertaker?
I loved that scene, lol......"I'm a snake. Never trust a snake."....
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More recently i'd say JBL. A classic cowardly heel.
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More recently i'd say JBL. A classic cowardly heel.
Holy Christ that was a sickening thud of a chair shot that Eddie took. Some good stuff there Mass.
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JBL is a very good heel.., very throwback.
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JBL is a very good heel.., very throwback.
He's very good on the stick. Very well spoken and very wealthy in real life.
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I think with JBL, he doesn't have to try too hard to be a good heel, it kinda comes naturally to him. You get the impression that he's an arrogant bully in real life as well.
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I was a kid when this happened. Scared the piss out of me.
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I think with JBL, he doesn't have to try too hard to be a good heel, it kinda comes naturally to him. You get the impression that he's an arrogant bully in real life as well.
He actually is an arrogant bully in real life. He has been known to notoriously harrass and play hardcore pranks on new upcoming wrestlers. He has gotten away with murder many times backstage due to his close relationship with Vince.
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JBL sucks.
Greatest heels are the ones who generate the most heat. These guys historically have done it better than anyone.
In no particular order (but I would think Piper is number 1).
Roddy Piper
Fred Blassie
Bobby Heenan
Vince McMahon
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan NWO
The Shiek
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JBL sucks.
Greatest heels are the ones who generate the most heat. These guys historically have done it better than anyone.
In no particular order (but I would think Piper is number 1).
Roddy Piper
Fred Blassie
Bobby Heenan
Vince McMahon
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan NWO
The Shiek
I had Piper at #1 as well. Watch the piper's pit segments from 1984-1986 when Roddy was a heel. Look at the heat he generates.
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I had Piper at #1 as well. Watch the piper's pit segments from 1984-1986 when Roddy was a heel. Look at the heat he generates.
Hogan was the greatest hero of all time and that was because of Piper.
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Hogan was the greatest hero because of Piper while feuding with Piper.
Hulk was the greatest hero because of the Iron Sheik when he won his first WWF title because Sheik was Iranian and there was that whole U.S. hostage thing going on in Iran at the time.
He was the greatest hero because of Andre because Andre was "unbeatable" and turned on the fans.
Hogan was only as good as all the heels he's worked with.
As soon as one program ended, they needed to get him into another as soon as possible because he needed the belt and he needed to defend it against a formidable opponent. That was his "thing."
Hot Rod spent the majority of his WWF run as a face, and it was hard to replace him with a comparable heel.
The next 3 Mania’s they had to feed Hogan monsters – Bundy & Andre – because no one else was a believable threat.
Andre & Hogan drew big $$, but I think if Piper had remained heel, they could have re-ignited the feud and had a longer run.
But there would also have come a time where Vince would need Piper to be pinned by Hulk, and Roddy’s only RARELY been pinned clean in his post-Portland years (perhaps one of the main reasons Vince only gave him one title run - how else could he lose the belt in the ring?).
He sure as shit would not have taken a dive against Hogan.
Maybe a count-out, or more likely a DQ, but not a pin job.
His rationale was if Hogan defeated him fair & square, his status and value in the business would plummet.
I preferred Roddy as a heel.
A lot of those TNT and SNME segments were great.
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Also remember....
An NWO Hollywood Hogan was some serious heat too....watch the bash at the beach PPV when he first turned heel and watch the tremendous amount of heat he generates. A fan actually tried to jump him in the ring and was rewarded by Kevin Nash's boots to the head...lol....classic... how stupid do people have to be to actually try and get into the ring and jump a 300+ pound wrestler....
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Buddy Rogers deserves mention as well. A really good match with him and Mr. Kowalski
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Ah...Buddy Rogers :)
"To a nicer guy, this couldn't have happened". He was great.
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Buddy Rogers was the stuff.
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I always remember Vince as the goofy announer in the 3 piece suit. I could never root against him, even against Austin.
Baaaaaaaaaaack body drop
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I always remember Vince as the goofy announer in the 3 piece suit. I could never root against him, even against Austin.
Baaaaaaaaaaack body drop
Or better still....
"1, 2, he got him....ah nooooooooooo kick out!"
I love how Jesse used to tune Vince up when they were commentating back in the eighties. "It ain't cheating unless you get caught, McMahon!"
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Or better still....
"1, 2, he got him....ah nooooooooooo kick out!"
I love how Jesse used to tune Vince up when they were commentating back in the eighties. "It ain't cheating unless you get caught, McMahon!"
HAIR PARTED down to one side,taking it all serious.80's msg classics on wed in ny/nj area 2 hrs of all good matches from that era.i loved that stuff as a kid.
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nothing will ever beat this classic McMahon dialouge from the 1995 (?) royal rumble.
(McMahon freaking out as Sparky Plugg runs to the ring)
"Sparky Plugg's gonna win the royal rumble!"
"Sparky Plugg's going to wreslemania"
"Sparky Plugg's going to win the WWF Championship!"
<sparky gets eliminated almost instantly>
"oh, he got eliminated"
it was fucking hilarious. I want to find it on youtube..
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nothing will ever beat this classic McMahon dialouge from the 1995 (?) royal rumble.
(McMahon freaking out as Sparky Plugg runs to the ring)
"Sparky Plugg's gonna win the royal rumble!"
"Sparky Plugg's going to wreslemania"
"Sparky Plugg's going to win the WWF Championship!"
<sparky gets eliminated almost instantly>
"oh, he got eliminated"
it was fucking hilarious. I want to find it on youtube..
lol, lol.....sparky plugg......145lbs socked and wet...then 2 years goes by and all of a sudden he weighs 245lbs and ripped.......
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He was on the cell tech and nitro tech stack
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Ico-Pro.