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Only 24% of registered (R) voters believe Obama was born here. 76% are 'not sure', or believe he was not.
public policy polling
aug 4-10
Among ALL NC Voters:
Was Obama born in America?
yes 54%
no 26%
not sure 20%
Among NC repub VOTERS:
Was Obama born in America?
24% yes, obama was born in America
47% no
29% not sure
Is hawaii a US state?
Among NC Republican voters,
88 yes
7 no
5% not sure
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and where did you get this poll from 240?
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and where did you get this poll from 240?
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/
I listed it in my original post. They've been doing polling for 30 years and back their shit up with data. used by many media organizations over the years.
Also, they have ripped obama to shreds since nov by pointing out how far he's fallen in certain areas.
Sorry, your stats 1 analysis isn't going to debunk them. They have more credibility than you do when it comes to polling. No offense, but "they are all liars and don't know how to do polls" doesn't stand up to 30 years of experience at top national level polling for both parties.
If you wish to disagree with the poll, tell us why people are mid-led on this topic (almost as many Dems as repubs buy into the birther stuff, actually).
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Americans are a stupid people for sure. ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS!
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Americans are a stupid people for sure. ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS!
By no means do Republicans have a lock on stupidity.
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By no means do Republicans have a lock on stupidity.
The Majority of stupid in the United States, they certainly do.
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/
I listed it in my original post. They've been doing polling for 30 years and back their shit up with data. used by many media organizations over the years.
Also, they have ripped obama to shreds since nov by pointing out how far he's fallen in certain areas.
Sorry, your stats 1 analysis isn't going to debunk them. They have more credibility than you do when it comes to polling. No offense, but "they are all liars and don't know how to do polls" doesn't stand up to 30 years of experience at top national level polling for both parties.
If you wish to disagree with the poll, tell us why people are mid-led on this topic (almost as many Dems as repubs buy into the birther stuff, actually).
searched the site and still couldnt find it...
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Americans are a stupid people for sure. ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS!
The Majority of stupid in the United States, they certainly do.
you are a prime example of why reps dont own the rights to stupidity in this country TA.
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The Majority of stupid in the United States, they certainly do.
But I thought 52% were smart an elected the first bi-racial president?
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But I thought 52% were smart an elected the first bi-racial president?
Obama is bi? ??? :)
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Obama is bi? ??? :)
Well, Larry Sinclair says so.
As far as race goes, it depends on what agenda is being pushed.
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Americans are a stupid people for sure. ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS!
Yeah,the Obama supporters are real deeeeep thinkers.
PL&index=22
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searched the site and still couldnt find it...
uh, its on the front page. Click the most recent polling in NC.
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searched the site and still couldnt find it...
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_811424.pdf
North Carolina Obama Approval Poll
August 11, 2009
A plurality of North Carolina voters now disapprove of Barack Obama's job performance, and just 54% of voters in the state say they think he was born in this country
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Only 24% of registered (R) voters believe Obama was born here. 76% are 'not sure', or believe he was not.
public policy polling
aug 4-10
Among ALL NC Voters:
Was Obama born in America?
yes 54%
no 26%
not sure 20%
Among NC repub VOTERS:
Was Obama born in America?
24% yes, obama was born in America
47% no
29% not sure
Is hawaii a US state?
Among NC Republican voters,
88 yes
7 no
5% not sure
Looks like the 20% keeps growing.
(http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg)
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_811424.pdf
North Carolina Obama Approval Poll
August 11, 2009
A plurality of North Carolina voters now disapprove of Barack Obama's job performance, and just 54% of voters in the state say they think he was born in this country
thanks TA
I like how you pick and choose 240 what to report on and what not too, 3% of both dems and independents also believe that hawaii is not a state, there is also a sizable chunk of dems and independents that are either not sure or say no that obama was born in the US...
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By no means do Republicans have a lock on stupidity.
Study: High-Fat Diet May Make You Stupid and Lazy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090812/sc_livescience/highfatdietmaymakeyoustupidandlazy
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I like how you pick and choose 240 what to report on and what not too, 3% of both dems and independents also believe that hawaii is not a state, there is also a sizable chunk of dems and independents that are either not sure or say no that obama was born in the US...
This is the first poll I've seen on a statewide level that breaks it down so much, on this silly issue.
it looks like people from both parties are dumbasses in NC, but more are repubs.
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This is the first poll I've seen on a statewide level that breaks it down so much, on this silly issue.
it looks like people from both parties are dumbasses in NC, but more are repubs.
im sure if you polled by party affiliation as to whether 9/11 was planned by bush a lot more dems would say yes then reps...plenty of dumbass to go around ppl are stupid to say that no or they are unsure imo but ppl are also stupid to say bush planned 9/11
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This is the first poll I've seen on a statewide level that breaks it down so much, on this silly issue.
it looks like people from both parties are dumbasses in NC, but more are repubs.
Its a Nationwide Trend pretty much. The exceptions are Vermont, Oregon, Washington, New York and California.
America is overly a stupid country, especially when you consider half of Americans do not know that each state has two senators, 24 percent could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War and 18 percent still think the Sun revolves around the earth. Oh and 90 percent still believe in a mythical Sky god and a Jewish Zombie.
There are intelligent people scattered in all States, some more so than others of course, but the minority does exist.
The minority is made up of intelligent people and it seems to be shrinking despite the fact that we now have access to the most information ever before in the entire scope of human history at our fingertips.
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im sure if you polled by party affiliation as to whether 9/11 was planned by bush a lot more dems would say yes then reps...plenty of dumbass to go around ppl are stupid to say that no or they are unsure imo but ppl are also stupid to say bush planned 9/11
you're "sure"?
Do you have any data to back this up?
Big diff between "planned 911" and "intentionally ignored critical intel right beforehand", but I woudln't expect you to see a difference.
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Its a Nationwide Trend pretty much. The exceptions are Vermont, Oregon, Washington, New York and California.
America is overly a stupid country, especially when you consider half of Americans do not know that each state has two senators, 24 percent could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War and 18 percent still think the Sun revolves around the earth. Oh and 90 percent still believe in a mythical Sky god and a Jewish Zombie.
There are intelligent people scattered in all States, some more so than others of course, but the minority does exist.
The minority is made up of intelligent people and it seems to be shrinking despite the fact that we now have access to the most information ever before in the entire scope of human history at our fingertips.
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intelligence is a bell curve TA so of course more ppl are going to less intelligent then the most intelligent, just depends on where you set the bar...
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you're "sure"?
Do you have any data to back this up?
Big diff between "planned 911" and "intentionally ignored critical intel right beforehand", but I woudln't expect you to see a difference.
ahhhhh I see you want to pick and choose now...LOL
Im glad youre coming around and opening your eyes to how polling can skew shit now go forth and apply that to polls your ignorantly post here and misinterpret.
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ahhhhh I see you want to pick and choose now...LOL
Im glad youre coming around and opening your eyes to how polling can skew shit now go forth and apply that to polls your ignorantly post here and misinterpret.
big difference there.
if you were famliar with the polls done about 911, which you are not...
You'd see the Q asked is "would you like to see another investigation of 911?" or "Do you believe bush had prior knowledge"?
Polls didn't ask "did he plan it". I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but it seems you aren't well-researched in the area which you are speaking.
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intelligence is a bell curve TA so of course more ppl are going to less intelligent then the most intelligent, just depends on where you set the bar...
I personally do not think intelligence can be quantified or displayed with any test or number, but if basic facts that you should pick up from just being alive and breathing are being misinterpreted, forgotten or incomprehensible for whatever reason, then its rather easy to state the obvious.
To be ignorant of something is excusable. To remain ignorant after the presentation of an established fact is insanity.
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big difference there.
if you were famliar with the polls done about 911, which you are not...
You'd see the Q asked is "would you like to see another investigation of 911?" or "Do you believe bush had prior knowledge"?
Polls didn't ask "did he plan it". I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but it seems you aren't well-researched in the area which you are speaking.
actually i phrased it that way on purpose, they very well could have asked if ppl believe obama should release his records or should there be an investigation into obamas records but they worded their question ignorantly as well. Your learning 240 and I like that but you have to apply those concepts to every situation without bias. Understand that you are bias as am I and understand when youre being biased and how to seperate yourself from that.
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I personally do not think intelligence can be quantified or displayed with any test or number, but if basic facts that you should pick up from just being alive and breathing are being misinterpreted, forgotten or incomprehensible for whatever reason, then its rather easy to state the obvious.
To be ignorant of something is excusable. To remain ignorant after the presentation of an established fact is insanity.
I agree to a certain extent i think problem solving is a big indicator of IQ which is alot of an IQ test but certain factors can hinder ppl unintentionally so its skewed.
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I agree to a certain extent i think problem solving is a big indicator of IQ which is alot of an IQ test but certain factors can hinder ppl unintentionally so its skewed.
I love this Anecdote from Issac Asimov. Well worth the short read.
What Is Intelligence Anyway?
by Isaac Asimov
What is intelligence, anyway? When I was in the army, I received the kind of aptitude test that all soldiers took and, against a normal of 100, scored 160. No one at the base had ever seen a figure like that, and for two hours they made a big fuss over me. (It didn't mean anything. The next day I was still a buck private with KP - kitchen police - as my highest duty.)
All my life I've been registering scores like that, so that I have the complacent feeling that I'm highly intelligent, and I expect other people to think so too. Actually, though, don't such scores simply mean that I am very good at answering the type of academic questions that are considered worthy of answers by people who make up the intelligence tests - people with intellectual bents similar to mine?
For instance, I had an auto-repair man once, who, on these intelligence tests, could not possibly have scored more than 80, by my estimate. I always took it for granted that I was far more intelligent than he was. Yet, when anything went wrong with my car I hastened to him with it, watched him anxiously as he explored its vitals, and listened to his pronouncements as though they were divine oracles - and he always fixed my car.
Well, then, suppose my auto-repair man devised questions for an intelligence test. Or suppose a carpenter did, or a farmer, or, indeed, almost anyone but an academician. By every one of those tests, I'd prove myself a moron, and I'd be a moron, too. In a world where I could not use my academic training and my verbal talents but had to do something intricate or hard, working with my hands, I would do poorly. My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in and of the fact that a small subsection of that society has managed to foist itself on the rest as an arbiter of such matters.
Consider my auto-repair man, again. He had a habit of telling me jokes whenever he saw me. One time he raised his head from under the automobile hood to say: "Doc, a deaf-and-mute guy went into a hardware store to ask for some nails. He put two fingers together on the counter and made hammering motions with the other hand. The clerk brought him a hammer. He shook his head and pointed to the two fingers he was hammering. The clerk brought him nails. He picked out the sizes he wanted, and left. Well, doc, the next guy who came in was a blind man. He wanted scissors. How do you suppose he asked for them?"
Indulgently, I lifted by right hand and made scissoring motions with my first two fingers. Whereupon my auto-repair man laughed raucously and said, "Why, you dumb jerk, He used his voice and asked for them." Then he said smugly, "I've been trying that on all my customers today." "Did you catch many?" I asked. "Quite a few," he said, "but I knew for sure I'd catch you." "Why is that?" I asked. "Because you're so goddamned educated, doc, I knew you couldn't be very smart."
And I have an uneasy feeling he had something there.
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sorry tony, not letting ya turn this into a reverend wright or obama college thread.
bottom line: a VERY large % of NC voters - particularly republicans - question Obama's birthplace
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sorry tony, not letting ya turn this into a reverend wright or obama college thread.
bottom line: a VERY large % of NC voters - particularly republicans - question Obama's birthplace
Who cares if they believe that?Id be willing to bet right now that if you went out on the street and talked to 50 people and asked "who is the vice president" at least 30 wouldnt know.There are many people who dont have a clue in this country and believe the last thing they saw on television or the radio or on the news stand at the grocery store on one of those rags.
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Who cares if they believe that?Id be willing to bet right now that if you went out on the street and talked to 50 people and asked "who is the vice president" at least 30 wouldnt know.There are many people who dont have a clue in this country and believe the last thing they saw on television or the radio or on the news stand at the grocery store on one of those rags.
Over 50% of americans don't like Obama's healthcare proposal.
Are they misinformed as well?
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Over 50% of americans don't like Obama's healthcare proposal.
Are they misinformed as well?
Truthfully?Yes.I doubt there are many that even have a clue whats in it[that goes for those opposed and those that are for it].In fact,Id be willing to bet everything I own that if you got 1,000 Obama voters and asked what policy of his do you agree with,950 couldnt name ONE policy.They would say "change".
Id also say that those who voted for McCAIN have no idea that he wrote the campaign finance law,the amnesty bill etc.Most people dont have a clue.
Here is another bet.If you asked the average voter who their congressional representative is they have no idea.People are sheep,easily led.
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Truthfully?Yes.I doubt there are many that even have a clue whats in it[that goes for those opposed and those that are for it].In fact,Id be willing to bet everything I own that if you got 1,000 Obama voters and asked what policy of his do you agree with,950 couldnt name ONE policy.They would say "change".
Id also say that those who voted for McCAIN have no idea that he wrote the campaign finance law,the amnesty bill etc.Most people dont have a clue.
Here is another bet.If you asked the average voter who their congressional representative is they have no idea.People are sheep,easily led.
But they know who is on Idol or Dancing w the Stars!
Doesnt that count for anything?
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More than a third of democrats believe 911 was an inside job.
PS- If we ventured into the ghetto and polled some of Obama's constituents in his former city of Chicago, how many do you think could find Washington DC on a map or could correctly add 3+7 with an entire volume of Encyclopedia Britannica's, twelve computers and five lifelines like they have on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" ::)
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More than a third of democrats believe 911 was an inside job.
What % of republicans believe it?
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LOL why dont you go look it up slick?
Prediction: 10% or less
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More than a third of democrats believe 911 was an inside job.
PS- If we ventured into the ghetto and polled some of Obama's constituents in his former city of Chicago, how many do you think could find Washington DC on a map or could correctly add 3+7 with an entire volume of Encyclopedia Britannica's, twelve computers and five lifelines like they have on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" ::)
YOU didn`t have a clue what Per Capita meant, a term taught to 4th graders.
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Please demonstrate where I did not understand what per capita meant.
After you fail to find any evidence of the nonsense you just posted, please post the video of you deadlifting 225x112. Thanks.
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LOL why dont you go look it up slick?
Prediction: 10% or less
so you don't have this data.
I can now say with the same certainty that 100% of repubs believe it was an inside job.
We have exactly the same amount of data to back up the claim: zero.
Really tho, a lot of republicans are on the 911 investigation bandwagon. Tons of libertarians too. it's not a partisan issue. It's about proper investigation of 3000 deaths, which the investigators themselves said was never done. Look at it as a law enforcement issue. If a guy killed 3000 people on a murder spree, most people would like to see a full investigation into it, right?
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so you don't have this data.
I can now say with the same certainty that 100% of repubs believe it was an inside job.
We have exactly the same amount of data to back up the claim: zero.
Really tho, a lot of republicans are on the 911 investigation bandwagon. Tons of libertarians too. it's not a partisan issue. It's about proper investigation of 3000 deaths, which the investigators themselves said was never done. Look at it as a law enforcement issue. If a guy killed 3000 people on a murder spree, most people would like to see a full investigation into it, right?
hmmm again youre trying to split hairs, the way the question was asked to these ppl didnt leave that option open on this subject. it was a yes, no or undecided on a definitive question.
If you asked whether ppl would want an investigation into obamas records im sure the dems and ind. would be much higher as well...
your thinking 240 but again you need to realize when youre being biased and act accordingly to not allow that to cloud your opinions and actions.