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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: The True Adonis on August 14, 2009, 06:28:50 AM
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Lou Dobbs is doing actual Journalism here.
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This should make Shootfighter raise an eyebrow-
Denmark`s system DOES NOT need Malpractice Insurance.
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Good clip TA -
But Notice some of the main points.
1. No med mal insurance
2. No litigation
3. No defensive medicine.
Also - how much does medical school cost over there?
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Good clip TA -
But Notice some of the main points.
1. No med mal insurance
2. No litigation
3. No defensive medicine.
Also - how much does medical school cost over there?
Universities in Denmark don`t charge tuition.
We can learn a lot from Denmark methinks.
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Universities in Denmark don`t charge tuition.
We can learn a lot from Denmark methinks.
It is criminal in my mind to have medical students with such a debt load.
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It is criminal in my mind to have medical students with such a debt load.
Check this out-
Education in Denmark
About 13% of all children at basic school level attend private schools.[2] All parties in the parliament support private schools.[2] Private schools are eligible for public financing and in principle receive the same amount as municipal schools.[2]
Almost all educational institutes in Denmark are free. This tuition-less system applies to:
Those who have been born in Denmark as 'national Danes'
Those who hold a permanent resident visa
Those who hold a humanitarian visa
Those from the Nordic Council
Those from the European Economic Area or European Union.
To further assist students in Denmark, all Danish citizens (and many others meeting certain criteria) are offered a bursary, called "SU" (Statens Uddannelsesstøtte which translates to The State's Educational Support), which totals about DKK 2,574 monthly if the student lives with his/her parents or former guardians, and about DKK 5,177 monthly if the student lives away from his/her parents or former guardians.
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This really does prove that the bills are being rushed through with little to no thought of what is PROVEN to work in the rest of the Industrialized world. This "uniquely American" approach is total bullshit as it is merely a continuation of the current and broken system. These bills need to be scrapped and totally re-worked with the entire process being open.
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This really does prove that the bills are being rushed through with little to no thought of what is PROVEN to work in the rest of the Industrialized world. This "uniquely American" approach is total bullshit as it is merely a continuation of the current and broken system. These bills need to be scrapped and totally re-worked with the entire process being open.
What is bullshit is the fact that:
1. The lobbying going on is done in private and by people whose interests we dont know.
2. The pharma companies and big health insuerers are essentially paying "protection money" to the govt to not be subject to whatever happens at our expense.
3. The costs are only going to go higher and the costs shifted. Its the ultimate three card monte game. Where maybe someone pays less in a preimum, they will pay more in taxes.
4. There is no real "plan" to where people really know what is being proposed.
The whole thing is disgusting and the pols and lobbysits are carving up the pie and want us all to be happy with a crumb or two that falls off the table.
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What is bullshit is the fact that:
1. The lobbying going on is done in private and by people whose interests we dont know.
2. The pharma companies and big health insuerers are essentially paying "protection money" to the govt to not be subject to whatever happens at our expense.
3. The costs are only going to go higher and the costs shifted. Its the ultimate three card monte game. Where maybe someone pays less in a preimum, they will pay more in taxes.
4. There is no real "plan" to where people really know what is being proposed.
The whole thing is disgusting and the pols and lobbysits are carving up the pie and want us all to be happy with a crumb or two that falls off the table.
EXACTLY!
If this garbage does go through, it will be possibly decades before any real reform will ever happen as these contracts are sure to be in place for years to come, (10 years minimum with the backroom deal made with PhRma). This doesn`t bode well at all as the rate at which costs are sky-rocketing and bankruptcies are occurring, not to mention death from denial of coverage and service. Keeping this Corporatist system intact with Big Pharma and Private Insurance Companies at the forefront will also continue to have a stranglehold on our political process as they will have their hands out for MORE AND MORE as the citizens continue to pay higher and higher Insurance costs while still being denied service, potentially putting the Economy at risk for a future catastrophe as a result.
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What is bullshit is the fact that:
1. The lobbying going on is done in private and by people whose interests we dont know.
2. The pharma companies and big health insuerers are essentially paying "protection money" to the govt to not be subject to whatever happens at our expense.
3. The costs are only going to go higher and the costs shifted. Its the ultimate three card monte game. Where maybe someone pays less in a preimum, they will pay more in taxes.
4. There is no real "plan" to where people really know what is being proposed.
The whole thing is disgusting and the pols and lobbysits are carving up the pie and want us all to be happy with a crumb or two that falls off the table.
The Mouse/Cheese/ "crumb" analogy is perfect and could not be put any better or made any clearer. I will have to borrow it and expand upon it.
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The Mouse/Cheese/ "crumb" analogy is perfect and could not be put any better or made any clearer. I will have to borrow it and expand upon it.
Check out my thread. 6 lobbyists for every law maker on the health bill alone!
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Universities in Denmark don`t charge tuition.
We can learn a lot from Denmark methinks.
Please!!
Denmark's population is less than TWO PERCENT of the US population. California alone outnumbers Denmark by over SIXFOLD, and it can't possibly pay for or implement such a system.
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Please!!
Denmark's population is less than TWO PERCENT of the US population. California alone outnumbers Denmark by over SIXFOLD, and it can't possibly pay for or implement such a system.
Yes a little fact that is always overlooked.
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HAHA- Finally the voices of reason bring truth into this idiotic thread.
I know a girl ( An NYU ivy league, thinks she knows better than everyone type) that once tried to explain to me how America should model both its healthcare and educational system after Barbados. When I explained that Barbados has a population less than that of NYC, she became enraged and started ranting on some tirade about GW Bush being evil.
Facts, numbers and blatantly obvious truths= Kryptonite to liberals
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Please!!
Denmark's population is less than TWO PERCENT of the US population. California alone outnumbers Denmark by over SIXFOLD, and it can't possibly pay for or implement such a system.
Wrong.
We spend MORE PER CAPITA already than Denmark.
What this means, is that we spend more per person RIGHT NOW than Denmark does as well as a HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF GDP in comparison.
What that means, our system costs a WHOLE LOT more in respect to population.
I hope this is clear and puts an end to the myth you raised. Lou Dobbs points this out in the video.
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HAHA- Finally the voices of reason bring truth into this idiotic thread.
I know a girl ( An NYU ivy league, thinks she knows better than everyone type) that once tried to explain to me how America should model both its healthcare and educational system after Barbados. When I explained that Barbados has a population less than that of NYC, she became enraged and started ranting on some tirade about GW Bush being evil.
Facts, numbers and blatantly obvious truths= Kryptonite to liberals
Also, we have a different culture and completely divirse population.
The Danes are completely homogeneous and have a different history than we do.
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HAHA- Finally the voices of reason bring truth into this idiotic thread.
I know a girl ( An NYU ivy league, thinks she knows better than everyone type) that once tried to explain to me how America should model both its healthcare and educational system after Barbados. When I explained that Barbados has a population less than that of NYC, she became enraged and started ranting on some tirade about GW Bush being evil.
Facts, numbers and blatantly obvious truths= Kryptonite to liberals
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
Again, do you know how to interpret Statistics? If not I may be able to teach you. Do you not know what Per Capita means or what GDP means?
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In other words,
If we increase Denmark`s population to ours and keep the same Healthcare for each country,
We Spend a A LOT more than Denmark.
I hope this helps your understanding of Per Capita.
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HAHA- Finally the voices of reason bring truth into this idiotic thread.
I know a girl ( An NYU ivy league, thinks she knows better than everyone type) that once tried to explain to me how America should model both its healthcare and educational system after Barbados. When I explained that Barbados has a population less than that of NYC, she became enraged and started ranting on some tirade about GW Bush being evil.
Facts, numbers and blatantly obvious truths= Kryptonite to liberals
Furthermore, the plans in Congress RIGHT NOW are right up your alley and will suit you very well as they do not change anything at all.
I personally think they are abhorrent, but they should suit you well as each plan is dominated by the Private Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma. Big Business wins again and Profit off of human suffering remains.
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Three replies to one posting? Methinks I offended Getbigs perenial deadlifting champion and demented socialist douchebag.
I know how to interpret statistics and what per-capita means- Do you?
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Three replies to one posting? Methinks I offended Getbigs perenial deadlifting champion and demented socialist douchebag.
I know how to interpret statistics and what per-capita means- Do you?
Obviously you don`t or you wouldn`t have embarrassed yourself with such a dumb and ignorant comment regarding per capita costs in relation to population.
Now go smile with your Obamacare, its just what Corporatist, Big Capitalism ordered. You should be proud as you are getting what you want. A dick in the ass for decades to come by the Private Sector.
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:'(
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Obviously you don`t or you wouldn`t have embarrassed yourself with such a dumb and ignorant comment regarding per capita costs in relation to population.
Now go smile with your Obamacare, its just what the Corporatist, Big Capitalism ordered. You should be proud as you are getting what you want. A dick in the ass for decades to come by the Private Sector.
I want a true capitlist system not proppoed up by thieves in DC. Under a true free marjket system, costs would come down and people would have many more choices.
Just look at cell phones and computers. Little govt involvement and we get lower prices and better quality ecvery year, year after year.
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I want a true capitlist system not proppoed up by thieves in DC. Under a true free marjket system, costs would come down and people would have many more choices.
Just look at cell phones and computers. Little govt involvement and we get lower prices and better quality ecvery year, year after year.
Obamacare is a Giant Capitalistic system as the Private Industry reigns supreme.
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Obamacare is a Giant Capitalistic system as the Private Industry reigns supreme.
No its not. Its crony capitilism that hurts competition and hurts new companies from offering new products services and plans.
The largest companies are buying off the govt to protect them from new competition emerging.
Its like the huge store on one end of the street paying the mafia protection money and the mob shutting down the guy on the other end of the street.
Its totally wrong and not the free market.
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No its not. Its crony capitilism that hurts competition and hurts new companies from offering new products services and plans.
The largest companies are buying off the govt to protect them from new competition emerging.
Its like the huge store on one end of the street paying the mafia protection money and the mob shutting down the guy on the other end of the street.
Its totally wrong and not the free market.
The Free Market Health Insurance system that is so broken is what you have right now and it is what you will continue to have under Obamacare.
Obamacare is leaving all companies intact that exist as they do now. There are 1200 companies right now that offer Health Insurance.
With that said, you have about 3-5 GIANT Insurance companies such as the one I worked for, United Healthcare which is the largest, who basically supplies everyone.
Obamacare sounds like it will suit you as well if you are looking to continue the Free Market although this will continue to bankrupt citizens, deny coverage and continue the profit made from human suffering.
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The Free Market Health Insurance system that is so broken is what you have right now and it is what you will continue to have under Obamacare.
Obamacare is leaving all companies intact that exist as they do now. There are 1200 companies right now that offer Health Insurance.
With that said, you have about 3-5 GIANT Insurance companies such as the one I worked for, United Healthcare which is the largest, who basically supplies everyone.
Obamacare sounds like it will suit you as well if you are looking to continue the Free Market although this will continue to bankrupt citizens, deny coverage and continue the profit made from human suffering.
No its not the free market TA - States also regulate the shit out of insurance companies and mandate all sorts of crap that drive up the costs.
This is big business and big govt in vbed with one another.
Then there is the defensive medicine component due to lawsuits which adds 200 billion a year to unnecessary testing and procedures.
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No its not the free market TA - States also regulate the shit out of insurance companies and mandate all sorts of crap that drive up the costs.
This is big business and big govt in vbed with one another.
Then there is the defensive medicine component due to lawsuits which adds 200 billion a year to unnecessary testing and procedures.
What you have right now and what you will continue to have under Obamacare is exactly the same minus pre-existing conditions.
There is little regulation Federally at all as far as Health Coverage is concerned. There is little to no variance state by state. When I worked for United Healthcare, I was assigned Georgia one month, California for two months and solely GM and Ford employees for a few months.
There was little to no variance with all these plans as far as regulation goes. The only difference was in the Free Market meaning, the more expensive the plan, the better treatment you received. The less expensive, the more you got shitted on.
Don`t worry. It all will remain in place. You will love Obamacare, if you love how it has operated for years past and how it currently operates.
You won`t even notice a difference, that is, until you will be paying double what you are now in a few years as long as Insurance Companies continue their current trend of raising costs and premiums.
Good luck with Obamacare, its right up your Free Market alley.
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"But Notice some of the main points.
1. No med mal insurance
2. No litigation
3. No defensive medicine."
Yes, TA, I like this!
I want people to have some recourse for significant medical mistakes, but the whole malpractice system in this country is aweful. I think many on the left and the right agree. If there is only tort reform, the insurance companies may not pass savings onto the docs and the consumers (what is seen in FLA). There's no doubt tort reform will decrease costs by itself but it may just make the insurance companies more $. We must have comprehensive reform which strongly discourages frivelous lawsuits and limits excessive damages, reduces huge payouts to lawyers off the patient's damages and reduces costs of malpractice for medical professionals.
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If there is a single payor system under the government, docs shouldn't pay malpractice. In that respect, I agree with the Denmark system. Government's incentive to limit mistakes would be to lessen the costs of lost suits against the medical system. That would reduce my net yearly expenses by $20,000...and thats for a primary care physician (much greater for other specialties). That is a 20% increase in pay for me and my employees.
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If there is a single payor system under the government, docs shouldn't pay malpractice. In that respect, I agree with the Denmark system. Government's incentive to limit mistakes would be to lessen the costs of lost suits against the medical system. That would reduce my net yearly expenses by $20,000...and thats for a primary care physician. That is more than a 20% increase in pay for me and my employees.
DOCS SHOULDNT ALSO HAVE TO BE IN 300K IN DEBT EITHER. tHESE THINGS ARE NEVER GOING HAPPEN.
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Another hardship....taxation on small medical practices are outrageous. We are taxed, like most small businesses, way too high. This directly and significantly increases the cost of care.