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He makes a good point...
One-sixth of Americans don't have health insurance. Obama and Dems could then point at Repubs and say "this man took away YOUR free coverage..."
Democratic Party strategist James Carville offered up a new strategy for Democrats to follow in their battle to reform health care: Let the GOP defeat it, then defeat the GOP at the ballot box.
At a roundtable discussion with Republican consultant Mary Matalin and host John King on CNN's State of the Union, Carville argued that if the Democrats can come up with an agreement that is supported by most Democratic members of Congress, they should let the GOP filibuster it, thereby killing health care reform and effectively painting the Republicans as being the party that opposed fixing the system.
That, Carville implied, would backfire on the GOP in upcoming elections.
"Put a bill out there, make them filibuster it," Carville said. "Make them be what they are — the party of no. ... And you know what? Run on it. Let them kill it. Let them kill it with the interest group money, then run against them. That's what we ought to do."
From cnn.com
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horrible idea
first its simply more partisan politics and thats exactly what we need to move away from
second if they did that the ppl who actually work in this country and dont believe in giving free handouts would be pissed at them...
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horrible idea
first its simply more partisan politics and thats exactly what we need to move away from
second if they did that the ppl who actually work in this country and dont believe in giving free handouts would be pissed at them...
Tony - this country gives out free handouts left and right. We give oil companies tax credits, we subsidize farmers, we throw money all over the planet (sometime in duffel bags with cash). I'm not saying any of that it good. Just saying we do it
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Tony - this country gives out free handouts left and right. We give oil companies tax credits, we subsidize farmers, we throw money all over the planet (sometime in duffel bags with cash). I'm not saying any of that it good. Just saying we do it
agreed this is also one of my problems with obamas healthcare plan, he always cites the profits of the insurance companies yada yada yada bullshit.
If he really wants to make a difference in everyones life and the economy go afte the oil companies, regulate and rule them to death and create lower prices there that would be much more productive imho then trying to overhaul healthcare.
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agreed this is also one of my problems with obamas healthcare plan, he always cites the profits of the insurance companies yada yada yada bullshit.
If he really wants to make a difference in everyones life and the economy go afte the oil companies, regulate and rule them to death and create lower prices there that would be much more productive imho then trying to overhaul healthcare.
you do that, and you think 4 dollars at the pump was bad, just wait...that is a implausible idea.
The oil companies are powerful, way too powerful, anybody that has come up with independant inventions, research, the Oil compaies have bought out...But what is happening is that due to hybrids, their power is now waning a little bit, because car companies are seeing that hybrids/flybrids are the future...
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He makes a good point...
One-sixth of Americans don't have health insurance. Obama and Dems could then point at Repubs and say "this man took away YOUR free coverage..."
Democratic Party strategist James Carville offered up a new strategy for Democrats to follow in their battle to reform health care: Let the GOP defeat it, then defeat the GOP at the ballot box.
At a roundtable discussion with Republican consultant Mary Matalin and host John King on CNN's State of the Union, Carville argued that if the Democrats can come up with an agreement that is supported by most Democratic members of Congress, they should let the GOP filibuster it, thereby killing health care reform and effectively painting the Republicans as being the party that opposed fixing the system.
That, Carville implied, would backfire on the GOP in upcoming elections.
"Put a bill out there, make them filibuster it," Carville said. "Make them be what they are — the party of no. ... And you know what? Run on it. Let them kill it. Let them kill it with the interest group money, then run against them. That's what we ought to do."
From cnn.com
240 - you are quickly going into moonbat territory. I know you have to CYA for all the shilling you do for Obama, but this is just disgraceful. Its another example of incompetence by Obama that we warned against and his blaming everyone for every problem is not going to cut the mustard.
Obama and Pelosi try to ram a radical idiotic plan down everyones' throat. They have the Congress and WH and want to blame the GOP???
Give me a freaking break.
57% think the Stimulus bill is a failure, most are against cap & tax, cash for clunkers is a mess, most are against GM bailout and this disaster, and you think it is good strategy to blame the GOP????
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Mary Matalin Tells CNN Viewers the Meaner Husband James Carville Gets "The More They Are Losing" - Video 8/16/09
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240 - you are quickly going into moonbat territory. I know you have to CYA for all the shilling you do for Obama, but this is just disgraceful. Its another example of incompetence by Obama that we warned against and his blaming everyone for every problem is not going to cut the mustard.
I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong. I'm saying POLITICALLY, it would make sense to balme the repubs if health care reform fails.
Unless of course, you think the repubs won't be blaming the dems if it fails? ???
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong. I'm saying POLITICALLY, it would make sense to balme the repubs if health care reform fails.
Unless of course, you think the repubs won't be blaming the dems if it fails? ???
Politically its not going to work. Moderates and indes through out the republicans for Obama could get crap done. Hes got 60 votes and a huge majority in the house.
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Politically its not going to work. Moderates and indes through out the republicans for Obama could get crap done. Hes got 60 votes and a huge majority in the house.
yeah, i see valid points here on why it wouldn't work.
Still, there are a very-much-growing percent of americans who believe "Everybody owes me" who were too lazy to vote even in 2008... who might come out to vote Obama in 2012 because they want health care. WIll it be enough to offset the old people (many mccain voters already) who are pissed because they don't want to see young people in their clinics? Dunno
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People are now seeing the real Obama, and are starting to realize that he is not the "hope and change" he pretended to be.
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HAS CARVILLE LOOKED AT THE POLLS?The vast majority DONT WANT Obama care.
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HAS CARVILLE LOOKED AT THE POLLS?The vast majority DONT WANT Obama care.
60% of people are against "Obama's health care package"
However, 60% of them support it when polled and asked details. "Do you think X, do you think Y, do you think Z?"
Which means if Obama can paint these points as his own plan, he may get public support.
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60% of people are against "Obama's health care package"
However, 60% of them support it when polled and asked details. "Do you think X, do you think Y, do you think Z?"
Which means if Obama can paint these points as his own plan, he may get public support.
The magic is gone from Obama.He is pushing this bill with all he has and still NO ONE wants it.He is Jimmy Carter,a flash in the pan who ran against a party that had just had a very unpopular president.He is done.Cap and trade is dead,health care as he wanted it is dead.The bloom is off the rose.
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The magic is gone from Obama.He is pushing this bill with all he has and still NO ONE wants it.He is Jimmy Carter,a flash in the pan who ran against a party that had just had a very unpopular president.He is done.Cap and trade is dead,health care as he wanted it is dead.The bloom is off the rose.
He's only completed what, 15% of his term? A lot can happen in 3.5 years to get people behind him again.
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The spin this morning is tha Sebelius mispoke or was misquoted or something like that.
Now is the time for Obama "get in there" (Palinspeak) and pull his party together and lead the fight
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horrible idea
first its simply more partisan politics and thats exactly what we need to move away from
second if they did that the ppl who actually work in this country and dont believe in giving free handouts would be pissed at them...
Third, how does the GOP filibuster anything when the Dems have their beloved supermajority?
It's a classic case of Dems doing what they do best: BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE FOR THEIR SCREW-UPS.
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He's only completed what, 15% of his term? A lot can happen in 3.5 years to get people behind him again.
Here is the problem 240 - the mid term elections are going to happen next year and all of the congress people are going to read the tea leaves and do what they have to do to get relected.
Many dems rode a wave of Obama to get their seat, but are going to lose in the mid terms because the usual voter wont be showing up. only the determined voters show up ni the midterms and they are going to trounce the dems for their insanity.
240 - you read this entire situation dead wrong from the stimulus on and still dont get it.
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i agree dems are going to lose some seats in 2010, as repubs will be motivated and dems voters will not.
I'm not grading his performance or trying to ascertain what's right/wrong... i'm just saying politically, blaming/crediting repubs for health care failing (if it does) may work with some voters.
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i agree dems are going to lose some seats in 2010, as repubs will be motivated and dems voters will not.
I'm not grading his performance or trying to ascertain what's right/wrong... i'm just saying politically, blaming/crediting repubs for health care failing (if it does) may work with some voters.
Those voters are already dems.
However, Obama already said that he is responaible now so blaming everyone else ala Ray Nagin wont work anymore.
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i agree dems are going to lose some seats in 2010, as repubs will be motivated and dems voters will not.
I'm not grading his performance or trying to ascertain what's right/wrong... i'm just saying politically, blaming/crediting repubs for health care failing (if it does) may work with some voters.
you seem to refuse to realize that the independents are turning against obama and his agenda as well. Its not simply that the reps are more active its that everyone is more active against his agenda...60% of people are against "Obama's health care package"
However, 60% of them support it when polled and asked details. "Do you think X, do you think Y, do you think Z?"
Which means if Obama can paint these points as his own plan, he may get public support.
Id definitly like to see the link to that poll
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you seem to refuse to realize that the independents are turning against obama and his agenda as well. Its not simply that the reps are more active its that everyone is more active against his agenda
i agree. I talk to a few diehard obama voters and while they don't know much about politics, they say "obama is trying to control us, what we drive, who we use for a doctor, etc"
I'm talking people with zilch clue about politics. They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.
Still, I think this type of voter (the casual idiot voter) can be swayed by other high-profile things obama does. Will they care about his controlling way if he cures swine flu while parading Bin laden's head on a stick in Times Square? probably not.
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i agree. I talk to a few diehard obama voters and while they don't know much about politics, they say "obama is trying to control us, what we drive, who we use for a doctor, etc"
I'm talking people with zilch clue about politics. They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.
Still, I think this type of voter (the casual idiot voter) can be swayed by other high-profile things obama does. Will they care about his controlling way if he cures swine flu while parading Bin laden's head on a stick in Times Square? probably not.
They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.
Exactly 240! Obama's idea was to cram all this radical nonsense down our throats thinking no one would pay attention. He guessed wrong and his garbage is out there for all to see.
He has managed to piss off almost everyone with only 7 months of taking office. He is boxing himself into a corner where he will be left with no one to work with since netiher the right or left trust him on anything.
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They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.
Exactly 240! Obama's idea was to cram all this radical nonsense down our throats thinking no one would pay attention. He guessed wrong and his garbage is out there for all to see.
He has managed to piss off almost everyone with only 7 months of taking office. He is boxing himself into a corner where he will be left with no one to work with since netiher the right or left trust him on anything.
my point is what it has always been. Will they still be pissed of in 18 months? Or will some obama appearance on Idol or Dancing with the stars have them saying "I love that guy, i really do"....
Things change so fast today. Bush was loved in 2002, hated in 2004. I think obama will do all the lib damage he can this year, then move center and be the cool guy when elections come. Isn't that how you'd do it, if you wanted to install your agenda and sitll win re-election?
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They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.
Exactly 240! Obama's idea was to cram all this radical nonsense down our throats thinking no one would pay attention. He guessed wrong and his garbage is out there for all to see.
He has managed to piss off almost everyone with only 7 months of taking office. He is boxing himself into a corner where he will be left with no one to work with since netiher the right or left trust him on anything.
::) totally clueless...
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::) totally clueless...
Oh yeah, because the tea parties in April were fake?
The town halls are fake?
Cap & Trade is wildely succesfull?
The wall street and auto bailouts are popular?
28 Czars is popular?
Obama won because he was not Bush, not because people want the ultimate Nanny Staters in office. Obama read his election dead wrong. He won solely because he was not bush, not anythnig else.
People thought "change" was from GWB, not a radical transformation of the economy and way of life.
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Obama won because he was not Bush, not because people want the ultimate Nanny Staters in office. Obama read his election dead wrong. He won solely because he was not bush, not anythnig else.
People thought "change" was from GWB, not a radical transformation of the economy and way of life.
100% correct
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i agree. I talk to a few diehard obama voters and while they don't know much about politics, they say "obama is trying to control us, what we drive, who we use for a doctor, etc"
I'm talking people with zilch clue about politics. They manage to pick that up, which obama can't be liking.
Still, I think this type of voter (the casual idiot voter) can be swayed by other high-profile things obama does. Will they care about his controlling way if he cures swine flu while parading Bin laden's head on a stick in Times Square? probably not.
Do you not think he is trying to controll us?What car we drive?Lets see,step one,idiotic cafe standards,step two take over auto industry and make only little shitty cars that no one wants to drive.Lets see,he already has talked about taxing "fatty foods".If health care passes,you dont think the government will put restrictions on food?They will justify it by claiming it drives up health care costs if people eat shitty food.Cap and trade is designed to tell people how cool or hot they can have their house.
Democrats think we are stupid and they must controll us for our own good.The amusing thing is fat little rolly polly fools like Little Dick Durbin,think he should be able to dictate what we eat,but he should be allowed to be a fat slob.Do as I say,not as I do.
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Do you not think he is trying to controll us?What car we drive?Lets see,step one,idiotic cafe standards,step two take over auto industry and make only little shitty cars that no one wants to drive.Lets see,he already has talked about taxing "fatty foods".If health care passes,you dont think the government will put restrictions on food?They will justify it by claiming it drives up health care costs if people eat shitty food.Cap and trade is designed to tell people how cool or hot they can have their house.
Democrats think we are stupid and they must controll us for our own good.The amusing thing is fat little rolly polly fools like Little Dick Durbin,think he should be able to dictate what we eat,but he should be allowed to be a fat slob.Do as I say,not as I do.
again, you're trying to turn this isn't a "is it right or wrong" thing.
his agenda is his agenda. This thread is about how spinning any potential failure of obamacare can benefit or hurt the democrats.
You want every thread to be "obama sucks, he's trying to do this and that, I hate dick durbin, people are fat and they piss me off..."
Settle down. Plenty of time for that. BILLY, how should obama spin it if his healthcare plan fails in order to make gains politically?
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again, you're trying to turn this isn't a "is it right or wrong" thing.
his agenda is his agenda. This thread is about how spinning any potential failure of obamacare can benefit or hurt the democrats.
You want every thread to be "obama sucks, he's trying to do this and that, I hate dick durbin, people are fat and they piss me off..."
Settle down. Plenty of time for that. BILLY, how should obama spin it if his healthcare plan fails in order to make gains politically?
he shouldnt spin shit he should just accept it and move on the majority of ppl in this country dont want it, so spinning shit will simply piss those ppl off. You guys seem to think these ppl are crazy and have stupid ideas youre wrong they have legitimate worries about his plan. The spinning the dems have done thus far has done nothing but hurt them and further spinning will simply deepen the wound.
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If they come out and say "the reps kept us from passing health care reform" guess what again the majority of ppl in this country right now dont want obamas health care reform. So basically what the dems would be saying is the majority of america agrees with the reps and it would be helping not hurting the reps...
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again, you're trying to turn this isn't a "is it right or wrong" thing.
his agenda is his agenda. This thread is about how spinning any potential failure of obamacare can benefit or hurt the democrats.
You want every thread to be "obama sucks, he's trying to do this and that, I hate dick durbin, people are fat and they piss me off..."
Settle down. Plenty of time for that. BILLY, how should obama spin it if his healthcare plan fails in order to make gains politically?
He wont be able to spin it.He will try to say Republicans killed it,but when its pointed out over and over that he has super majorities in both houses it wont work.In the old days the media would put the spin over,but now,with so much other media it doesnt work as well as long as there are facts behind the story.
Some form of health care will pass.It will be watered down.The only good thing will be that Obama will have spent so much political capitol on it,that cap and trade wont get 40 votes in the senate.