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All they need to do is vote....maybe the Repubs should wake up.
CNSNews.com) - Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.
At the same time, more Americans nationwide are saying this year that they are conservative than have made that claim in any of the last four years.
In 2009, 40% percent of respondents in Gallup surveys that have interviewed more than 160,000 Americans have said that they are either “conservative” (31%) or “very conservative” (9%). That is the highest percentage in any year since 2004.
Only 21% have told Gallup they are liberal, including 16% who say they are “liberal” and 5% who say they are “very liberal.”
Thirty-five percent of Americans say they are moderate.
During Republican President George W. Bush’s second term, the number of self-identified conservatives as measured by Gallup dropped, riding at a low of 37% as recently as last year.
According to new data released by Gallup on Friday, conservatives outnumber liberals in all 50 states--including President Obama’s home state of Illinois--even though Democrats have a significant advantage over Republicans in party identification in 30 states.
“In fact, while all 50 states are, to some degree, more conservative than liberal (with the conservative advantage ranging from 1 to 34 points), Gallup's 2009 party ID results indicate that Democrats have significant party ID advantages in 30 states and Republicans in only 4,” said an analysis of the survey results published by Gallup.
“Despite the Democratic Party's political strength-- seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country--more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal,” said Gallup’s analysis.
“While Gallup polling has found this to be true at the national level over many years, and spanning recent Republican as well as Democratic presidential administrations, the present analysis confirms that the pattern also largely holds at the state level,” said Gallup. “Conservatives outnumber liberals by statistically significant margins in 47 of the 50 states, with the two groups statistically tied in Hawaii, Vermont, and Massachusetts.”
Massachusetts, Vermont and Hawaii are the most liberal states, even though conservatives marginally outrank liberals even there. In Massachusetts, according to Gallup, 30% say they are conservative and 29% say they are liberal, a difference that falls within the margin of error for the state. In Vermont, 29% say they are conservative and 28% say they are liberal, which also falls within the survey’s margin of error for the state. In Hawaii, 29% say they are conservative and 24% say they are liberal, which falls within the margin of error for that state.
In one non-state jurisdiction covered by the survey, liberals did outnumber conservatives. That was Washington, D.C., where 37% said they were liberal, 35% said they were moderate and 23% said they were conservative.
Even in New York and New Jersey, conservatives outnumber liberals by 6 percentage points, according to Gallup. In those states, 32% say they are conservative and 26% say they are liberal. In Connecticut, conservatives outnumber liberals by 7 points, 31% to 24%.
Alabama is the state that comes closest to a conservative majority. In that state, according to Gallup, 49% say they are conservative and 15% say they are liberal.
In President Obama’s home state of Illinois, conservatives outnumber liberals, 35% to 23%.
Gallup's results were derived from interviewing 160,236 American adults between Jan. 2, 2009 and June 30, 2009.
Even though conservatives outnumber liberals in all 50 states, in 21 of these states self-identified moderates outnumber conservatives, and in 4 states the percentage saying they are conservative and the percentage saying they are moderate is exactly the same.
The two states with the highest percentage of self-identified moderates are Hawaii and Rhode Island, where 43% say they are moderate.
For a ranking of all 50 states by the advantage that self-identified conservatives have over self-identified liberals see the Gallup analysis here
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I thought most people were fiscally conservative. I would say I that most people see themselves as conservative in one way and liberal in others.
This is not a shock.
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In Hawaii, 29% say they are conservative and 24% say they are liberal, which falls within the margin of error for that state.
Too bad they don't vote that way. We have been a one party state for decades. Very bad for business.
But these results, overall, do not surprise me.
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I find your poll very hard to believe.
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The word "liberal" has been so demonized that even though people are classified as liberal, they are reluctant to use the terminology. Some don`t even know the meaning of the word.
Think Again: The Word "Liberal"
By Eric Alterman
Eric Alterman
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then … we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
- John F. Kennedy, September 14, 1960
If all you knew about the word "liberal" is what came up when you plugged the word into Amazon's search engine on any given day in January 2004, you'd think it was among the worst insults one human being could hurl at another. There's Ann Coulter, "Slander: Liberal Lies about the American Right" and "Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism;" Michael Savage: "The Savage Nation: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Borders, Languages and Culture;" Mona Charen, "Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got it Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First;" David Limbaugh, "Persecution: How Liberals are Waging War Against Christianity;" and Sean Hannity, "Let Freedom Ring: Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism." Of course these titles represent a kind of consensus on the right and in much of America. When Rush Limbaugh returned to the airwaves on November 17, 2003, he admitted to his 15-20 million listeners that while he may be "powerless" to overcome his drug addiction without professional help, he would not, he promised, turn into "a linguini-spined liberal." The national media, alleged by all to be infested by closet liberals, reported these insults verbatim, as if to be so obvious that they were undeserving of refutation or even reply.
At first blush is this odd. After all, 52 percent of Americans told Gallup pollsters that they "didn't respect Limbaugh now and never did," putting them, no doubt, in the "linguini-spined" category. In recent times, much of the mainstream media have incorporated many of these same attitudes, if not their occasionally obscene terminology. Liberalism, according to much of the coverage of the recent convention in Boston, is something from which savvy politicians must run—or perhaps hide under the bed at least until the guests have gone home.
Ever since George McGovern was defeated in 1972 with the help of the criminal conspiracy that was Richard Nixon's re-election campaign, the media have made a sport of bashing liberals come election time. As Michael Kinsley pointed out recently, "It's true enough that this is a moment when the Democrats are called upon to reject extreme liberalism (whatever that might be) and to embrace moderation. But that is only because every moment is such a moment. The opinion that the Democrats need to foreswear McGovernism and prove their commitment to moderation is one of the very safest in all of punditry." Yet Republicans, Kinsley notes, receive the equivalent of a free ideological pass regardless of the fact that they are led by two men whose political extremism has no analogy in power circles in the other party.
Extremism versus moderation is a beloved media leitmotif at the Republican convention as well. But there's a difference, at least in tone. It is generally considered enough if the Republicans prevent their nuttier element from actually taking over the convention. The GOP is rarely threatened with oblivion if it fails to stage a public festival of contrition. And the Republicans are under no pressure to avoid the word "conservative."
The demonization of the word "liberal" has been an ongoing project of the well-funded right and draws its fire from intellectuals who should really know better. Shelby Steele, for instance, has provided useful and interesting challenges to conventional wisdom on race and affirmative action but look what he wrote on the Wall Street Journal editorial page about John Walker Lindh and liberals. Speaking of the allegedly liberal values of Marin County, California, where Lindh was raised, and taking a page from the playbook of former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Steele charged, sans evidence that "This liberalism thrives as a subversive, winking, countercultural hipness...Cultural liberalism serves up American self-hate to the young as idealism. It's too much to say that treason is a rite of passage in this context. But that is exactly how it turned out for Walker. In radical Islam he found both the victim's authority and the hatred of America that had been held out to him as marks of authenticity...And when he turned on his country to be secure in his new faith, he followed a logic that was a part of his country's culture." This begs the question, why does Shelby Steele hate America? An interesting line of reasoning, this, considering that conservatives normally reject victimization in favor of personal responsibility. Apparently, liberalism trumps free will in Steele's sociological methodology.
Ann Coulter, whom fellow right-winger Jonah Goldberg once called "barely coherent," adding that in one National Review column (which the magazine refused to publish and ultimately led to her departure) she was guilty of "emoting rather than thinking, and badly needing editing and some self-censorship, or what is commonly referred to as 'judgment.'" Her book, "Treason" took liberalism to task for just about everything, from "undermining victory in the Cold War," by "Betraying the manifest national defense objectives of the country...[liberals] aim to destroy America from the inside with their relentless attacks on morality and the truth." The problem with her "reasoning, "of course, stems from the fact that without the Democratically-controlled Congress of the Cold War years, none of those large defense appropriation bills would have been passed. But no matter. She continues that "Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America." And yet despite all of the above—as well as her joking about how lovely it would be if terrorists blew up the New York Times—she was rewarded with a convention column by USA Today until she turned in her unreadable personal attacks on the physical appearances of the delegates and USA Today suddenly decided that hiring her was not such a brilliant idea after all.
Even so, it works. As Princeton professor Paul Starr notes, "The use of the vocabulary of treason is a measure of how thoroughly conservatives have transferred the passions of anticommunism into an internal war against those whom they think of as the enemies of American culture and values. And these were, as I recall from the 1960s, the same people who decried the loss of civility."
Given the rhetorical dominance of conservatives over the past several decades, one might be surprised to learn from a June Wall Street Journal analysis that "[The] proportion of Americans calling themselves "liberal" edged up to 21 percent in [ pollster Stan] Greenberg's May poll from 16 percent a month earlier. Self-identified "conservatives" dropped to 37 percent from 41 percent. And why not? One of the most honored guests here in Boston this week turns out to be none other than George McGovern. As he told a reporter from National Journal when queried about his apparently alien ideological affiliation "Every program that ever helped working people -- from rural electrification to Medicare -- was enacted by liberals over the opposition of conservatives. When people tell me they don't like liberals, I ask, 'Do you like Social Security? If so, then shut up!' "
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According to the article, 35% of Americans say they are moderate, which makes this the largest category of people. More moderates vote democratic than republican, in large part due to what TA said about the world "liberal" being demonized. If someone asks me what I am, I say moderate but I also tend to lean to the left.
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According to the article, 35% of Americans say they are moderate, which makes this the largest category of people. More moderates vote democratic than republican, in large part due to what TA said about the world "liberal" being demonized. If someone asks me what I am, I say moderate but I also tend to lean to the left.
actually moderates tend to lean right, as in the majority of the country leans right...
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actually moderates tend to lean right, as in the majority of the country leans right...
since Nov 5, 2008?
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since Nov 5, 2008?
Most people are fiscally conservative and socially liberal in general.
Nov. 5, 2008 was a lean away from from Sarah Palin. ;D
Yes, I brought her up... so what?
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since Nov 5, 2008?
LOL youre really a dip shit you know that
the presidency goes back and forth remember the pendulum? doesnt mean that the majority still isnt right leaning.
anybody dem would have won, let me rephrase that anybody other then a white obama would have won b/c with as much bull shit as he had on him he wouldnt have won if he was a white male.
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LOL youre really a dip shit you know that
the presidency goes back and forth remember the pendulum? doesnt mean that the majority still isnt right leaning.
anybody dem would have won, let me rephrase that anybody other then a white obama would have won b/c with as much bull shit as he had on him he wouldnt have won if he was a white male.
Presidency, house, senate...
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Presidency, house, senate...
and it will swing back in a few months...pendulum....... ..remember?
doesnt change the fact you dumb fuck
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and it will swing back in a few months...pendulum....... ..remember?
doesnt change the fact you dumb fuck
so now you agree there is a pendulum?
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with the long demonization of the word "liberal" by the right, many probably hear the question like this: "Hi, we're doing a poll and would like to know, do you identify yourself as a conservitive or a fuckhead pinko commie hugo chavez loving douchbag?" Uhhh... "What we're asking is, are you a conservative or are you anti-American?" Oh, I love America... "Thank you sir, we've placed you down as a conservative"
:D
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with the long demonization of the word "liberal" by the right, many probably hear the question like this: "Hi, we're doing a poll and would like to know, do you identify yourself as a conservitive or a fuckhead pinko commie hugo chavez loving douchbag?" Uhhh... "What we're asking is, are you a conservative or are you anti-American?" Oh, I love America... "Thank you sir, we've placed you down as a conservative"
:D
Unlike the left who calls you a member of the radical right if your not for partial birth abortions and paying for transexual sex changes and have a job.
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we should all be liberal with peanut butter.
it's tasty, guys.
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so now you agree there is a pendulum?
I never said there wasnt a pendumlum, your problem is you dont see the constant movement to the left on the issue of gun control. Yes it is a pendulum but the pendulum swings more and more left and less and less right therefore there is a constant move to the left...dumb ass
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I never said there wasnt a pendumlum, your problem is you dont see the constant movement to the left on the issue of gun control. Yes it is a pendulum but the pendulum swings more and more left and less and less right therefore there is a constant move to the left...dumb ass
what are your thoughts on applying peanut butter liberally?
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what are your thoughts on applying peanut butter liberally?
not the biggest fan of peanut butter i used to use it liberally in my shakes from time to time...very nice
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not the biggest fan of peanut butter i used to use it liberally in my shakes from time to time...very nice
liberal
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I never said there wasnt a pendumlum, your problem is you dont see the constant movement to the left on the issue of gun control. Yes it is a pendulum but the pendulum swings more and more left and less and less right therefore there is a constant move to the left...dumb ass
what actions has obama taken to enact new gun control laws?
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Unlike the left who calls you a member of the radical right if your not for partial birth abortions and paying for transexual sex changes and have a job.
I was just joking around. Thought it was kinda funny. I mean there is some truth in what I said. Conservative as a term has not nearly been as demonized as Liberal. That's just true.
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I was just joking around. Thought it was kinda funny. I mean there is some truth in what I said. Conservative as a term has not nearly been as demonized as Liberal. That's just true.
What is amazing to me is how the term "classical liberal" has evolved into what we know as the modern "liberal".
I consider myself a "classical liberal" while what the modern definition of liberal in the modern sense is anything but.
Labels really have outgrown themselves.
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what actions has obama taken to enact new gun control laws?
I didnt say obama JACK ASS we had this conversation long before obama got elected man your fuking idiot...
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And if a poll was taken of the number of Democrats vs the right wingnuts in each state, the Dems would be in the majority.
It isn't hard to run a blanket generalzation poll and get the numbers you want.
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U idiots are just worried that we'll blame u for Barry....don't worry we do.
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U idiots are just worried that we'll blame u for Barry....don't worry we do.
actually republicans are entirely to blame for Obama.
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The trend continues.
New poll identifies most liberal and conservative states
By: CNN's Leslie Bentz
Washington (CNN) - Americans are far more likely to self identify as conservatives rather than as a liberals or moderate, according to a new Gallup poll released Friday.
The state with the most conservatives in the U.S. for 2010 was Mississippi, with 50.1 percent claiming conservative political views. Gallup also reported that 50.1 percent is the largest majority ever seen in the three years they have conducted this survey. Other states, including Idaho and Alabama, came in close at a little over 48 percent each.
The most liberal state isn't even a technically state at all. The District of Columbia topped the list with 41.1 percent espousing liberal political beliefs. Vermont was a distant second, with 30.5 percent.
Not surprisingly, Gallup also reported that the more conservative states in the nation were congregated in the south and west, with their liberal counterparts on the east and west coasts.
According to Gallup, "The top 10 rankings make clear that conservative identification is much more common than liberal identification." Each of the top 10 conservative states came in at over 45 percent, however, only the District of Columbia surpassed the 31 percent mark for liberals. And in every state, conservatives outnumbered liberals.
The Gallup survey had a sample size of 182,538 adults. The margins of error for each state differed, between plus or minus 6 percent and plus or minus 3 percent.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new-poll-identifies-most-liberal-and-conservative-states/#more-148143