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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet
by Declan McCullagh
Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.
The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."
Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.
A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.
When Rockefeller, the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) introduced the original bill in April, they claimed it was vital to protect national cybersecurity. "We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs--from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records," Rockefeller said.
The Rockefeller proposal plays out against a broader concern in Washington, D.C., about the government's role in cybersecurity. In May, President Obama acknowledged that the government is "not as prepared" as it should be to respond to disruptions and announced that a new cybersecurity coordinator position would be created inside the White House staff. Three months later, that post remains empty, one top cybersecurity aide has quit, and some wags have begun to wonder why a government that receives failing marks on cybersecurity should be trusted to instruct the private sector what to do.
Rockefeller's revised legislation seeks to reshuffle the way the federal government addresses the topic. It requires a "cybersecurity workforce plan" from every federal agency, a "dashboard" pilot project, measurements of hiring effectiveness, and the implementation of a "comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy" in six months--even though its mandatory legal review will take a year to complete.
The privacy implications of sweeping changes implemented before the legal review is finished worry Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "As soon as you're saying that the federal government is going to be exercising this kind of power over private networks, it's going to be a really big issue," he says.
Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.)
"The language has changed but it doesn't contain any real additional limits," EFF's Tien says. "It simply switches the more direct and obvious language they had originally to the more ambiguous (version)...The designation of what is a critical infrastructure system or network as far as I can tell has no specific process. There's no provision for any administrative process or review. That's where the problems seem to start. And then you have the amorphous powers that go along with it."
Translation: If your company is deemed "critical," a new set of regulations kick in involving who you can hire, what information you must disclose, and when the government would exercise control over your computers or network.
The Internet Security Alliance's Clinton adds that his group is "supportive of increased federal involvement to enhance cyber security, but we believe that the wrong approach, as embodied in this bill as introduced, will be counterproductive both from an national economic and national secuity perspective."
Declan McCullagh, CBSNews.com's chief political correspondent, chronicles the intersection of politics and technology. He has covered politics, technology, and Washington, D.C., for more than a decade, which has turned him into an iconoclast and a skeptic of anyone who says, "We oughta have a new federal law against this." E-mail Declan. \
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I can only imagine the outcry if Bush did this.
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And so the Power Grab continues.
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Since when do private networks = the internet?
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Since when do private networks = the internet?
Just had to quote this for phenomenal stupidity.
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just leave my porn sites alone President Obama ;D
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just leave my porn sites alone President Obama ;D
SILENCE AS USUAL.
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SILENCE AS USUAL.
hey look on the bright side we still have the other internet. remember your hero bush said we have internets.
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hey look on the bright side we still have the other internet. remember your hero bush said we have internets.
lame
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hey look on the bright side we still have the other internet. remember your hero bush said we have internets.
You know what Blacken? That statement still does not sit right with me.
It was either him intentionally trying to be a dunce.
Or:
Could he really have been that dumb?
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I can only imagine the outcry if Bush did this.
well it sounds like something he either did do or would have done.
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hey look on the bright side we still have the other internet. remember your hero bush said we have internets.
Lol
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well it sounds like something he either did do or would have done.
Probably Hugo. This is not a Dem or GOP thing, this is a govt vs. the people thing.
Obama is simply picking up where Bush left off.
Its about pure power and control over us, nothing more.
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Still no mention how this will force an ISP to drop their paying users customers or cut off 3G access.
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i bet drudge is the first site to go, hahahhaa
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Still no mention how this will force an ISP to drop their paying users customers or cut off 3G access.
The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government.
how about that part? i bet you were ok with the patriot act as well?
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The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government.
how about that part? i bet you were ok with the patriot act as well?
Tony just repeat 100 times over:
"Bush Bad, Obama good."
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and he may shut it down anytime he wants being discussed now on 680am. Also part of team obama they are pushing for control over the radio waves to drown out any private radio shows so it can be fully dominated by government giving you a lop sided propaganda. Also on glenn beck tonite many of Obamas close people/szars are communists and are going to be discussed tonite aswell
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did you also know that obama has QUADRUPLED the deficit in just one year, heard this from Shawn Hannaty today
its a call in show and if he was lying he would get called out
this makes me angry
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"The president pushing a bill for total control over the internet"
No she isn't. ??? What are you talking about?
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Glen Beck has a great show. And I am not a Republican.... I'm an Independent ... and I just like the truth.
But Getbig is full of Lib's that will come on and start defending Obama and his shitty Presidency so far. 240 might even be the first one.... ?
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Oh yeah,I`m really gonna` read all that!! LOL :)
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Oh yeah,I`m really gonna` read all that!! LOL :)
:D
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I haven't heard that but no doubt this administration is trying to increase the size, power and spending of the federal government. There is no argument on that.
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Glen Beck has a great show. And I am not a Republican.... I'm an Independent ... and I just like the truth.
But Getbig is full of Lib's that will come on and start defending Obama and his shitty Presidency so far. 240 might even be the first one.... ?
well all politicians are fucked in the head some sort of way
republicans are the lesser of the two evils
that being said, the fact remains that obama has quadrupled the deficit in one year and this is also projected to double
you wont hear this from the mainstream media
and yes obama is going to push a bill next week that gives him the ability to shutdown the internet at anytime, and also he wants control over the radio waves -because liberal based radio shows always fail, that is why you have many to the point and to the truth radio talkshows that will tend to support the lesser of the evils *republicans* but in respect to the listener that they get to hear both sides
liberals and obama types like to just drown out everything and spam the media into you beleiving them without knowing all the facts
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glen beck= moronic mormon
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glen beck= moronic mormon
i dont like glen beck either but supposobly hes going to expose the obama team and show how they are communists and marxists
obama things highly of hugo chavez ::)
its no suprise that most of getbig are fragil bitches who voted for obama without even thinking twice but to rather simply go with the flow and be team ::)
i didnt vote at all didnt like either candidate but didnt realize all the shit obama was going to do either
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i dont like glen beck either but supposobly hes going to expose the obama team and show how they are communists and marxists
obama things highly of hugo chavez ::)
its no suprise that most of getbig are fragil bitches who voted for obama without even thinking twice but to rather simply go with the flow and be team ::)
i didnt vote at all didnt like either candidate but didnt realize all the shit obama was going to do either
oh great i bet he does this during sweeps week. just like geraldo who's gunna locate jimmy hoffa lol i'm a republican who voted for obama....au contrarian ;)
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They already control the radio ;)
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oh great i bet he does this during sweeps week. just like geraldo who's gunna locate jimmy hoffa lol i'm a republican who voted for obama....au contrarian ;)
you were charmed by obama, so what
hes quadrupled the deficit in under one year
and raising taxes
and prices on goods are going up, i remember grapejuice at the time of the obama election was 2.25 for 64 ounces now its 3.33!
he doesnt want buisness to grow because he taxes them more now. he wants GOVERNMENT to grow his team who have no incentive to make a profit. do you understand?
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They gave us the internet ... so they control that too
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you were charmed by obama, so what
hes quadrupled the deficit in under one year
and raising taxes
and prices on goods are going up, i remember grapejuice at the time of the obama election was 2.25 for 64 ounces now its 3.33!
he doesnt want buisness to grow because he taxes them more now. he wants GOVERNMENT to grow his team who have no incentive to make a profit. do you understand?
yes, the more foreclosures the better i am off. i dont worry about the cost of grape juice only buy shiraz by the half case edit: which, by the way and as u know, i do not personally consume
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The only good thing about Obama is he's a 1 term and out president unlike Bush. Put those two heads together and they wouldnt make one good asshole. I cant believe thats the best America can do! :-\
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Beck is totally out of hand most of the time. But he calls shit out that others won't.
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The only good thing about Obama is he's a 1 term and out president unlike Bush. Put those two heads together and they wouldnt make one good asshole. I cant believe thats the best America can do! :-\
Now now, you've had great wars when Bush was in charge...
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Hannity and Beck really need to die...really.
Limbaugh can stay. I like him.
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Clearly offseason ;)
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But Getbig is full of Lib's that will come on and start defending Obama and his shitty Presidency so far. 240 might even be the first one.... ?
I'm a gun-toting florida cracker who was sick and tired of bush lying and bullying the world into dropping the dollar.
It has lost almost 50% of its value since 2001. This worries me. I care not about the daily politics of 'he said, she said'. I do worry about currency falling because Bush just gave the world the finger while mccain held his gym bag.
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I'm a gun-toting florida cracker
this cracked me up, no pun intended
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The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government.
how about that part? i bet you were ok with the patriot act as well?
This is text from the actual bill:
(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;
As the article above pointed out, the federal government having some authority over critical infrastructures is not unprecedented. Even with all the fearmongering in the article,
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this cracked me up, no pun intended
all the time, I get unarmed softies in California calling me a lib. Shit, I'm the guy you want on your side when some nutjob starts popping people in the line at McDonalds. I'm the guy who will shoot someone in the head as they put a gun in your drivers window.
these people who would piss themselves calling 911, calling me a lib. oh brother.
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The two Vince's will put a stop to this .... ;)
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Hannity and Beck really need to die...really.
Limbaugh can stay. I like him.
Nothing like a racist black guy to start your day with.
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This is text from the actual bill:
(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;
As the article above pointed out, the federal government having some authority over critical infrastructures is not unprecedented. Even with all the fearmongering in the article,
not saying it was but if you go back and read my post im sure others that have been critical of bush in this arena are now giving barry a pass...this is the angle i was presenting and you cannot deny that...I understood the need for the patriot act but was still against it as I understand the need for this in a time of crises but lets be consistent and not butt boys like 240 and lurker...
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This is text from the actual bill:
(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;
As the article above pointed out, the federal government having some authority over critical infrastructures is not unprecedented. Even with all the fearmongering in the article,
Precedence dictates legitimacy? That's a slippery slope...
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No one is giving him a pass. And no one is giving typical fear mongering reporting from Drudge a pass either.
Still not a damn thing about how he is going to shut down ISPs or comlinks for 3g and satellite access to the internet for us.
Notice the key word in there "share".
I have already said I didn't support the Patriot Act.
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Glen Beck has a great show. And I am not a Republican.... I'm an Independent ... and I just like the truth.
Same here.
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not saying it was but if you go back and read my post im sure others that have been critical of bush in this arena are now giving barry a pass...this is the angle i was presenting and you cannot deny that...I understood the need for the patriot act but was still against it as I understand the need for this in a time of crises but lets be consistent and not butt boys like 240 and lurker...
Your post seemed to be in response to someone asking how this shows the admin is angling for control over the internet.
Even with all of the fear mongering in the article, the basic gist of the bill seems to be that the White House has the authority to take critical infrastructure offline in the event of an attack. There is nothing in the bill about giving the president control over private networks beyond that. This isn't even comparable to the patriot act. Parts of the patriot act basically legalized secret police and made it virtually illegal for the accused to defend themselves.