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I absolutely agree with Cheney on this.
Cheney Slams Obama's 'Politicized' Probe of CIA Interrogations
In blunt, unsparing language, former Vice President Dick Cheney accuses President Obama of setting a "terrible precedent" by launching an "intensely partisan, politicized look back at the prior administration," seeming to question Obama's fitness as commander-in-chief.
By Bill Sammon
FOXNews.com
Sunday, August 30, 2009
Calling it a "terrible decision" that undermines national security and devastates CIA morale, former Vice President Dick Cheney slammed the Obama administration's probe of aggressive interrogation of terrorists.
"It's an outrageous political act that will do great damage, long-term, to our capacity to be able to have people take on difficult jobs, make difficult decisions, without having to worry about what the next administration is going to say," Cheney told "FOX News Sunday" in a no-holds-barred interview.
In blunt, unsparing language, Cheney accused President Obama of setting a "terrible precedent" by allowing an "intensely partisan, politicized look back at the prior administration."
He said the decision by Attorney General Eric Holder to launch a probe into alleged abuse of prisoners under the prior administration "offends the hell out of me," as he seemed to question Obama's fitness as commander-in-chief.
"I have serious doubts about his policies," Cheney told FOX News' Chris Wallace in Jackson Hole, Wyo. "Serious doubts, especially, about the extent to which he understands and is prepared to do what needs to be done to defend the nation."
As evidence, Cheney pointed to Obama's decision last week to assert White House control over a newly formed unit that will interrogate terrorists. The new arrangement shifts control of such interrogations away from the CIA and toward the FBI, although oversight will be exercised by the National Security Council, which is located in the White House and reports directly to the president.
Administration officials are vague about which agency will retain ultimate authority. Obama spokesman Bill Burton initially said the new unit "will report to the director of the FBI," although the Justice Department, which encompasses the FBI, insisted the unit is "not a sub-unit of the FBI or the Justice Department."
Burton explained: "Just like other interagency processes, if there are disagreements, the different agencies are able to come together and make a decision."
Cheney ridiculed the new unit, which will be known as the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group (HIG).
"It's not even clear who's responsible," he marveled. "The Justice Department is, then they claim they aren't. The FBI is responsible, and they claim they aren't. It's some kind of interagency process by which they're going to be responsible for interrogating high-value detainees.
"If we had tried to do that back in the aftermath of 9/11, when we captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, we'd have gotten no place," he said.
Cheney predicted the new unit will be incapable of effectively interrogating "people that may have knowledge about imminent attacks."
"They're going to have to have meetings and decide who gets to ask what question and who's going to Mirandize the witness," he said. "I think it's silly. It makes no sense. It doesn't appear to be a serious move in terms of being able to deal with the nation's security."
Cheney warned that curtailing the CIA's role in interrogations is a grave mistake.
"I think it's a direct slap at the CIA. I don't think it will work," he said. "It moves very much in the direction of going back to the old way of looking at these terrorist attacks -- that these are law enforcement problems, that this isn't a strategic threat to the United States."
But Cheney reserved his strongest criticism for Holder's decision Monday to appoint a prosecutor and open a criminal investigation into alleged abuses by CIA agents who interrogated terrorists during the administration of former President George W. Bush. The former vice president accused Obama of breaking a promise not to prosecute the agents.
"We had the president of the United States, President Obama, tell us a few months ago there wouldn't be any investigation like this, that there would not be any look back at CIA personnel who were carrying out the policies of the prior administration," Cheney said. "Now they get a little heat from the left wing of the Democratic Party, and they're reversing course on that."
In January, just days before he took office, Obama assured CIA agents they need not worry about prosecution.
"We need to look forward, as opposed to looking backwards," the president-elect said. "At the CIA you've got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don't want them to suddenly feel like they've got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering up."
In April, after disclosing classified documents that detailed the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques, Obama said: "This is a time for reflection, not retribution."
"Nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past," the president added. "For those who carried out some of these operations within the four corners of legal opinions or guidance that had been provided from the White House, I do not think it's appropriate for them to be prosecuted."
At the time, Holder added: "It would be unfair to prosecute dedicated men and women working to protect America for conduct that was sanctioned in advance by the Justice Department."
In his interview with FOX News, Cheney disputed the administration's assertion last week that the decision to go after the CIA agents was made by Holder, not Obama.
"If you look at the Constitution, the president of the United States is the chief law enforcement officer in the land," Cheney said. "The attorney general's a statutory officer. He's a member of the Cabinet. The president's the one who bears this responsibility."
Cheney said it was disingenuous of Obama "to say, 'Gee, I didn't have anything to do with it,' especially after he sat in the Oval Office and said this wouldn't happen. Then Holder decides he's going to do it. So now he's backed off and is claiming he's not responsible.
"I just think he's trying to duck the responsibility for what's going on here," Cheney concluded. "And I think it's wrong."
Cheney pointed out that the Justice Department already investigated all the cases in question during the Bush administration and decided to prosecute only one contractor, who received a jail sentence.
"The matter's been dealt with the way you would expect it to be dealt with by professionals," Cheney said. "Now we've got a political appointee coming back, and supposedly without the approval of the president, going to do a complete review, or another complete investigation, possible prosecution of CIA personnel."
He added: "A review is never going to be final anymore now. We can have somebody, some future administration, come along 10 years from now, 15 years from now, and go back and rehash all of these decisions by an earlier administration.
Cheney vigorously defended the CIA.
"In the intelligence arena, we ask those people to do some very difficult things, sometimes, that put their own lives at risk," he said. "They do so at the direction of the president. In this case, we had specific legal authority from the Justice Department. And if they are now going to be subject to being investigated and prosecuted by the next administration, nobody's going to sign up for those kinds of missions.
"It's a very, very devastating, I think, effect that it has on morale inside the intelligence community."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/30/cheney-slams-obamas-politicized-probe-cia-interrogations/
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Beach...its not Barry its Holder, Barry just wants to let the process work and he has no control over it.
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Beach...its not Barry its Holder, Barry just wants to let the process work and he has no control over it.
The last part of the article pretty much lays out that it's Holder, but like Cheney says the buck stops with the prez. I suspect there may be a little good cop, bad cop stuff going on here.
Would you believe I'm actually to the point where I pretty much have to change the channel when I hear Obama speaking? :-\
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Nope, not at all. A bunch of us were talking at lunch the other day and most of the guys are like me, they read the transcripts after he talks. I can't watch him, he makes me ill. Ur not alone.
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Nope, not at all. A bunch of us were talking at lunch the other day and most of the guys are like me, they read the transcripts after he talks. I can't watch him, he makes me ill. Ur not alone.
Dang. That's bad.
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Thats about 13 of the 18 Army officers in my class. We try and avoid overt political conversations as part of the class day but with the topics we're dealing with, it comes up alot. Not alot of Barry lovers. I don't say much because I won't ber able to stop. We've discussed Hugo and Evo etc alot.
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Beach...its not Barry its Holder, Barry just wants to let the process work and he has no control over it.
Barry hired Holder because he knew Holder would do this garbage.
Make no mistake about it, Obama and Holder are like two peas in a pod on this.
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Its so ridiculous u shouldn't even need to post it.
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Sen. Feinstein Chides AG Holder for CIA Probe
Monday, August 31, 2009 8:39 AM
A key Democratic senator criticized a U.S. Justice Department investigation into abusive CIA interrogations of al-Qaida detainees as poorly timed, signaling broadening opposition to the probe.
Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, raised her objections during a CBS television interview Sunday, while former Vice President Dick Cheney was blasting the probe on Fox television as "an outrageous political act."
Saying she was "horrified" at a classified 2004 Central Intelligence Agency report that detailed abusive interrogation practices, Feinstein said she understood Attorney General Eric Holder's reasons for ordering a review of the interrogation program.
"However, I think the timing of this is not very good," Feinstein said.
The intelligence committee already was well along in conducting a bipartisan "total look" at the interrogation and detention techniques used on so-called high value detainees, she said.
"And candidly, I wish that the attorney general had waited," she said.
"Every day something kind of dribbles out into the public arena," Feinstein said. "Very often it has mistakes. Very often it's half a story. I think we need to get the whole story together and tell it in an appropriate way."
"A lot of things are being said - 'Well, you know, torturing people is something that we did, but on the other hand, it produced all kinds of incredible information,'" she said.
"It did produce some information, but there is a great discrepancy, and I think a good deal of error out there in what people are saying it did produce," she said.
The CIA inspector general's report, parts of which were released last week, detailed the use of simulated drowning, mock executions, and threats of rapes of detainee family members in the course of the interrogations at secret CIA sites overseas.
Cheney, who was deeply involved in devising the previous administration's interrogation policies, said he would have no problem even with interrogations that went beyond specific legal authorizations.
"My sort of overwhelming view is that the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives, in preventing further attacks against the United States, in giving us the intelligence we needed to go find al-Qaida, to find their camps, to find out how they were being financed," Cheney said.
Instead, he took aim at President Barack Obama for first assuring CIA officers they would not be prosecuted and then washing his hands of Holder's decision.
"I think it's an outrageous political act that will do great damage long term to our capacity to be able to have people take on difficult jobs, make difficult decisions without having to worry about what the next administration's going to say about it," he said in remarks first reported Friday.
Cheney said he did not believe the investigation would be limited to CIA officers who went beyond the authorities granted at the time by the Justice Department.
"We had the president of the United States, President Obama, tell us a few months ago there wouldn't be any investigation like this, that there would not be any look-back at CIA personnel who were carrying out the policies of the prior administration.
"Now they get a little heat from the left wing of the Democratic Party and they're reversing course on that," Cheney said.
"The president is the chief law enforcement officer in the administration. He's now saying, well, this isn't anything that he's got anything to do with. He's up on vacation at Martha's Vineyard, and his attorney general is going back and doing something that the president said some months ago they wouldn't do."
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., defended Obama's approach as being "unbelievably bending in the direction of trying to be careful about what happens to national security."
"And in fact, I think there is a little bit of a tension between the White House itself and the lawyers in the Justice Department as they see the law and as what their obligation is," he said on ABC television.
"And in a sense, that's good. That's appropriate, because it shows that we have an attorney general who is not pursuing a political agenda, but who is doing what he believes the law requires him to do."
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/feinstein_cia_probe/2009/08/31/254358.html
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She knows full well what was found, what worked and what didn't. Nobody who cares about this country wants this shit.
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She knows full well what was found, what worked and what didn't. Nobody who cares about this country wants this shit.
That is where the truth is found.
Holder and Obama are radicals who could care less.
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Of course.....Barry is is soooooo weak. Just come out and say he wants this. Atleast he wouldn't be a full of shit, douchbag.
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I wish I didn't have to listen to Dick He just will not shut up. Of course we know he's covering his butt now. The Obama administration said they wanted to go forward and not look at the past eight years of the wrongs by the Bush administration. After that it's been non-stop with Cheney. I guess he felt he had nothing to fear. But now he has fallen in a trap. He has admitted his guilt. Enter Eric Holder.
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I wish I didn't have to listen to Dick He just will not shut up. Of course we know he's covering his butt now. The Obama administration said they wanted to go forward and not look at the past eight years of the wrongs by the Bush administration. After that it's been non-stop with Cheney. I guess he felt he had nothing to fear. But now he has fallen in a trap. He has admitted his guilt. Enter Eric Holder.
Go complain to Barb. Feinstein cause even she agrees this is utter nonsense.
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Go complain to Barb. Feinstein cause even she agrees this is utter nonsense.
who the hell is Barb. Feinstein
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who the hell is Barb. Feinstein
Good catch Blacken. i often mistake barbara boxer and diane feinstein since the two are nearly identical in their nonsense most of the time.
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Good catch Blacken. i often mistake barbara boxer and diane feinstein since the two are nearly identical in their nonsense most of the time.
so is it barbara boxer or feistein who thinks its nonsence
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Beach Bum, you agree with a Fox News article?
I never thought that I would live to see the day. Shocker.
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Good catch Blacken. i often mistake barbara boxer and diane feinstein since the two are nearly identical in their nonsense most of the time.
I thought it was intentional. :D
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so is it barbara boxer or feistein who thinks its nonsence
Feinstein. Barbara Boxer seems to have been undergoing a lot of plastic surgery lately since that broad is running for reelection next year. ;D
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Beach Bum, you agree with a Fox News article?
I never thought that I would live to see the day. Shocker.
This was the first line of the thread:
I absolutely agree with Cheney on this.
Did you even read the article?
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Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, wrote a letter to Obama asking him to reserve judgment on whether Bush administration officials should be prosecuted until her committee completes its probe on the effectiveness of the CIA’s interrogation program in six to eight months.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/05/burlingame_after_meeting_with_obama_he_turned_his_back_on_me.html
Burlingame After Meeting With Obama: He Turned His Back On Me
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Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chip Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.
Burlingame describes the encounter with Obama: "As a former attorney I know you can't tell the Attorney General what to do, he said, 'No, I can't.' But I said 'we -- that shouldn't stop you from giving your opinion. We wouldn't be here today if they hadn't done their jobs. Can't you at least give them your opinion.' And he said 'no I won't,' and he turned around and walked away."
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Alright thats it. Fuck obama, screw this piece of shit. I'm sick of this. Bama only did what he was forced to do in this knowing had he not made the call it would have gotten out and his ass would have been impeached or removed pursuant to 25th amend.
Seriously - fuck him and everyone who still supports this pofs admn.
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I met Burlingame in NYC at the rally. She is 100% hardcore patriot and lost her brother and has lived, breathed, and slept 24/7 on this issue.
Fuck obama. Seriously not only fuck obama - but fuck him and his miserable pofs wife and admn as well. I'm sick of this asshole.
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http://www.keepamericasafe.com
This is her website. She has been 10000% hardcore patriot from Day 1. This pisses me off to no end.
Fuck obama.
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I had to read this a few times to figure out what she was talking about. She wanted Barry to tell Holder to back off on the prosecutions? Barry agree's with Holder...he may be worse then barry.
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Yup!
Fuck obama. Screw this traitorous asshole and the communist assholes who still support him. I really cant believe he did this to her, oh wait - this is MAObama we are dealing with.
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I'm sorry but i do not care one bit if Obama refused to give her his opinion.
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I'm sorry but i do not care one bit if Obama refused to give her his opinion.
If your boss asked your opinion would you be expected to give it?
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It just shows that bama completely agrees with Holders' horrible agenda.
Kazan - im not kidding - i really consider anyone who still supports this treasonous admn my enemy. I live here and 9/11/2001, December 2009, GZ mosque, etc, are stained in my brain.
Obama and his communist treasonous traitourous pofs cult following are my enemy no different than bin laden at this point.
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If your boss asked your opinion would you be expected to give it?
Nope. An opinion is an optional statement of a viewpoint. If i didn't want to answer i wouldn't. Simple as that.
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Nope. An opinion is an optional statement of a viewpoint. If i didn't want to answer i wouldn't. Simple as that.
So your unemployed
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It just shows that bama completely agrees with Holders' horrible agenda.
Kazan - im not kidding - i really consider anyone who still supports this treasonous admn my enemy. I live here and 9/11/2001, December 2009, GZ mosque, etc, are stained in my brain.
Obama and his communist treasonous traitourous pofs cult following are my enemy no different than bin laden at this point.
Why don't you come do something about it tough guy. What? Your jetski can't go that far? Fu*king loser.
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So your unemployed
Uh no.
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Why don't you come do something about it tough guy. What? Your jetski can't go that far? Fu*king loser.
Ohhh I have KC.
I am on the phone all the time with my reps on the KSM Trial, GZ mosque, i attend rallys at these sites, and am involved. I am NYC born and bred.
Damn if i ever let communist, traitor, treasonous pofs, and islamist sleeper cell, like obama dictate shit for NYC if I have anything to do with it.
Screw that. obama is no different than bin laden inho, just with different ways and means.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/05/burlingame_after_meeting_with_obama_he_turned_his_back_on_me.html
Burlingame After Meeting With Obama: He Turned His Back On Me
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Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chip Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.
Burlingame describes the encounter with Obama: "As a former attorney I know you can't tell the Attorney General what to do, he said, 'No, I can't.' But I said 'we -- that shouldn't stop you from giving your opinion. We wouldn't be here today if they hadn't done their jobs. Can't you at least give them your opinion.' And he said 'no I won't,' and he turned around and walked away."
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Alright thats it. Fuck obama, screw this piece of shit. I'm sick of this. Bama only did what he was forced to do in this knowing had he not made the call it would have gotten out and his ass would have been impeached or removed pursuant to 25th amend.
Seriously - fuck him and everyone who still supports this pofs admn.
This is pretty bad. The president is acting like he can't give the AG his opinion? Remember what happened with the Arizona immigration law? Holder talked about challenging the law without even reading it. That view had to come from the president. How is this any different?
Pretty disrespectful to a victim's family member too.
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she said herself the pres. is not suppose to interfare with investigations
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Yawn. Holder has a terrorist past himself. If it were not for GWB and the brave people who went after those muslims filth, OBL would never have been caught.
Holder/Obama/Jarret et al are communist sleeper cell neo-terrorists all on to themselves.
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Obama Will Not Intervene With AG Holder Over Indictments of CIA Interrogators
Ace of Spades ^ | 5/5/11 | Ace of Spades
May 05, 2011 Debra Burlingame: Obama Says He Will Not Intervene With AG Holder Over Indictments of CIA Interrogators
Just over FoxNews now. As the wife sister of one of the victims of 9/11 -- and a persistent critic of Obama's policies -- she used the meet-and-greet as a chance to ask Obama about an issue that concerns her.
Holder's holding indictments over the heads of CIA interrogators -- the same ones who delivered bin Ladin to the SEALs.
Burlingame asked him about that, and said "I know you can't tell him what to do" (which isn't really true), and Obama said "That's right."
Then she asked, even if she couldn't order him to drop the prosecution of the interrogators who got bin Ladin, if he would at least offer Holder his opinion that there should be no prosecutions, he answered: "No, I won't."
Huh. Big Damn Hero, huh?
She went on to note that, last May, a Dallas US Attorney sought to indict CAIR officials (for terrorist ties and terrorist funding, of course), and Holder quashed those indictments.
We're in the very best of hands, as Instapundit says.
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Yawn. Holder has a terrorist past himself. If it were not for GWB and the brave people who went after those muslims filth, OBL would never have been caught.
Holder/Obama/Jarret et al are communist sleeper cell neo-terrorists all on to themselves.
if your man george would have stayed in afghanistan instead of taking most of the resources and going to iraq to finish his daddy's war we could have had him a lot sooner,probably on his watch,and all of this would have been moot
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if your man george would have stayed in afghanistan instead of taking most of the resources and going to iraq to finish his daddy's war we could have had him a lot sooner,probably on his watch,and all of this would have been moot
Yeah, man! You got it! The $1 billion budget Bush allocated to JSOC and the years he spent setting up the pieces so that OBL could be caught show he turned his eye away from it. Because, you know, you can really speed along the process in which it takes to track down a man who doesn't exist on paper and is only known by a fake name.
Shut the fuck up you illiterate twat. Do you ever log off this site?
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Burlingame has really been on top of this issue from day 1 and for bama the twat to act like that towards her shows what a real disgusting animal he is.
I am becoming more convinced than ever that he simply piggy backed off of hillary and panetta on OBL than anything else.
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Yeah, man! You got it! The $1 billion budget Bush allocated to JSOC and the years he spent setting up the pieces so that OBL could be caught show he turned his eye away from it. Because, you know, you can really speed along the process in which it takes to track down a man who doesn't exist on paper and is only known by a fake name.
Shut the fuck up you illiterate twat. Do you ever log off this site?
more tough talk from the little pin arm pussy,must be easy to be the internet tough guy from mommys house,need more than money to find him you have to have boots on the ground you little bushbot :D :D
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Blacken bringing the amazing intellect as usual.
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Blacken bringing the amazing intellect as usual.
hahahahaha pot meet kettle ;D
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hahahahaha pot meet kettle ;D
Bama cares more about Justin Bieber than he does telling Holder to back off against the CIA interrogators who got KSM to talk. Talk about priorities.
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Terror Expert Marc Thiessen: Barack Obama Eliminated Interrogation Tool His Second Day
gatewaypundit ^ | Jim Hoft
Terror expert and author Marc Thiessen told Bill O’Reilly tonight that Obama eliminated the enhanced interrogation tool from our counter-terrorism arsenal his second day in office.
So the tool that got us the information that led us to Osama Bin Laden is no longer in use. The US has not cpatured and detained and tinterrogated a single high level detainee since Barack Obama moved into office.
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.rightnetwo rk.com ...
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It just shows that bama completely agrees with Holders' horrible agenda.
Kazan - im not kidding - i really consider anyone who still supports this treasonous admn my enemy. I live here and 9/11/2001, December 2009, GZ mosque, etc, are stained in my brain.
Obama and his communist treasonous traitourous pofs cult following are my enemy no different than bin laden at this point.
So why arent you at arms defending yourself and your country? Scared? or are you all talk?
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So why arent you at arms defending yourself and your country? Scared? or are you all talk?
I dont need to commit violence against people to defeat them. Other ways to do it.
Same way - I helped get Bama/Holders' horrible plan to hold the KSM trial in NYC tossed, same way we beat bama on the GZ mosque, etc etc.
Now - if someone committs violence against me - its on.
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'He took the spotlight': 9/11 families angry over Obama's handling of Bin Laden's death
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | May 6,2011 | Daily Mail (UK) reporter
When he visited Ground Zero today, President Obama kept the ceremony deliberately low key to fend off suggestions he was revelling in the death of Osama Bin Laden.
But that hasn't stop some relatives of the 9/11 victims criticising him for his 'self-congratulatory' handling of the killing.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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I dont need to commit violence against people to defeat them. Other ways to do it.
Same way - I helped get Bama/Holders' horrible plan to hold the KSM trial in NYC tossed, same way we beat bama on the GZ mosque, etc etc.
Now - if someone committs violence against me - its on.
So if Osma Bin Laden walk by your house you would try to win a argumentation with him?
Are you sure you not a liberal?
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Terror Expert Marc Thiessen: Barack Obama Eliminated Interrogation Tool His Second Day
gatewaypundit ^ | Jim Hoft
Terror expert and author Marc Thiessen told Bill O’Reilly tonight that Obama eliminated the enhanced interrogation tool from our counter-terrorism arsenal his second day in office.
So the tool that got us the information that led us to Osama Bin Laden is no longer in use. The US has not cpatured and detained and tinterrogated a single high level detainee since Barack Obama moved into office.
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.rightnetwo rk.com ...
Does this guy call himself a 'Terror Expert' or is this some Fox came up with?
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Look him up.
and he is dead right on this. obama's victory laps on this is beyond a joke.
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Marc Thiessen speech writer for bush,looks to me like a expert potato chip eater ;D
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Marc Thiessen speech writer for bush,looks to me like a expert potato chip eater ;D
Does not change the fact that your messiah campaigned against the very things that got Bin Laden.
Bama taking victory laps on this ids really unseemly. His communist ass had to be dragged off the golf course to check in on what was going on. This is all the work of the CIA/Seals/Panetta/Hillary etc. for MAObama to take credit is ridiculous.
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Does not change the fact that your messiah campaigned against the very things that got Bin Laden.
Bama taking victory laps on this ids really unseemly. His communist ass had to be dragged off the golf course to check in on what was going on. This is all the work of the CIA/Seals/Panetta/Hillary etc. for MAObama to take credit is ridiculous.
he's no terror expert just another right wing hack
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The Justice Department must drop prosecutions of CIA interrogators in post-9/11 terrorism cases
Editorials
Monday, May 9th 2011, 4:00 AM
The U.S. government could still proceed with prosecutions against the CIA interrogators whose work contributed to finding Osama Bin Laden.
Editorial: Prosecuting protectorsWe're letting Bin Laden winCIA bungled Qaeda watchSafety of SEALs my main worry during mission: Obama
Ready to go through the looking glass?
Despite the heroic success of just one week ago, in which American intelligence and military might combined to kill the biggest enemy of civilized society, the U.S. government could still proceed with prosecutions against the CIA interrogators whose work contributed to that victory.
Compare and contrast the mixed messages.
Message one: When announcing Osama Bin Laden's killing, President Obama said, "We give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome."
Message two: On Tuesday, CIA Director Leon Panetta admitted that the agency's use of "enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those [suspected terrorist] detainees" played a role in tracking Bin Laden down.
Message three: In August, Attorney General Eric Holder appointed a prosecutor to investigate alleged CIA interrogation abuses - a move that could lead to charges against some of the very people who helped get Bin Laden.
Message four: Career federal prosecutors had closed a probe of the same matter with a no-action recommendation.
It matters not whether the agents in question contributed a little or a lot to Bin Laden's death. They did their best at a time when the United States was horrified by the prospect of another attack to safeguard their fellow Americans.
Laud them, don't pursue them.
Drop the damn prosecutions.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/05/09/2011-05-09_stop_hunting_osama_hunters.html?print=1&page=all
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/05/burlingame_after_meeting_with_obama_he_turned_his_back_on_me.html
Burlingame After Meeting With Obama: He Turned His Back On Me
Related Videos | expand
Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chip Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.
Burlingame describes the encounter with Obama: "As a former attorney I know you can't tell the Attorney General what to do, he said, 'No, I can't.' But I said 'we -- that shouldn't stop you from giving your opinion. We wouldn't be here today if they hadn't done their jobs. Can't you at least give them your opinion.' And he said 'no I won't,' and he turned around and walked away."
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Alright thats it. Fuck obama, screw this piece of shit. I'm sick of this. Bama only did what he was forced to do in this knowing had he not made the call it would have gotten out and his ass would have been impeached or removed pursuant to 25th amend.
Seriously - fuck him and everyone who still supports this pofs admn.
what a nut job you are
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I think Obama and the Justice Department have a small problem on their hands. :)
Cheney: Justice Probe of CIA Interrogators an 'Outrage'
Published May 08, 2011
FoxNews.com
In this Oct. 21, 2009, file photo, former Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the Center for Security Policy dinner at Union Station in Washington.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday it's an "outrage" the Obama administration continues to investigate CIA agents who interrogated terror suspects, claiming they did nothing wrong and expressing concern about the precedent it sets.
Cheney weighed in on the probe after several Republicans and other ex-officials have renewed their call for the Justice Department to drop the investigation -- launched nearly two years ago by Attorney General Eric Holder -- in light of the killing of Usama bin Laden.
Though it's unclear what role so-called enhanced interrogation played in finding bin Laden, Cheney told "Fox News Sunday" the techniques probably "contributed" and suggested the circumstances make the Justice probe all the more unsettling.
"It's unfortunate," Cheney said. "These men deserve to be decorated. They don't deserve to be prosecuted."
Cheney noted there was a "complete investigation" during the Bush administration that concluded the agents had not violated the law. He said the decision by Holder to reopen that case and hand it over to a special prosecutor sets a "terrible precedent."
"These are government employees. They did nothing wrong, as best as any of us knows," Cheney told "Fox News Sunday." "It is an outrage that we would go after the people who deserve the credit for keeping us safe for seven and a half years."
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld also said Sunday that the Obama administration should set the CIA probe "aside" and move on, calling it a "most unfortunate thing."
"These people were operating at the direction of the president. They were doing things that had been approved by the Department of Justice," Rumsfeld said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "And it sends a chill throughout the government."
The investigation has been kept under wraps since Holder first announced it, and it's unclear how far along it's come. The sister of a Sept. 11 victim said Thursday that President Obama turned down her request to advise Holder to drop the probe.
Asked about the investigation Sunday, National Security Adviser Tom Donilon told "Fox News Sunday" he could not comment on the probe itself. But he praised the work of the intelligence community in helping track bin Laden.
"I have the highest regard for our intelligence professionals," he said.
Like other Obama administration officials, Donilon downplayed the role of enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, in tracking bin Laden. He said the CIA-led Navy SEALs raid last weekend on his compound was the result of a "mosaic of information" and stressed that techniques like waterboarding have no place in interrogators' arsenal.
"Our judgment is that it's not consistent with our values ... and not necessary in terms of getting the kind of intelligence that we need," he told "Fox News Sunday."
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was interrogated with the enhanced interrogation techniques when he was captured in 2003. Months after being waterboarded, he acknowledged knowing one of Al Qaeda's most important couriers -- who eventually led the U.S. to bin Laden -- but denied that he was of any importance.
The question is how big a role the waterboarding and other techniques played in persuading Mohammed, and others, to cooperate.
Cheney on Sunday said it appeared early leads came out of the program and again called for the interrogation techniques to be reinstated.
"It was a good program. It was a legal program. It was not torture," Cheney said. "If it were my call, I'd have that program ready to go."
Cheney said that with those techniques taken "off the table," it's not clear whether there's a reliable interrogation program that could be used if another high-value detainee with crucial information is captured.
Still, Cheney gave Obama "high marks" for his handling of the bin Laden raid.
"I think you've got to give him a lot of credit for making the decision to have the SEAL team 6 conduct the raid that got bin Laden," Cheney said. "It's no question that was his responsibility and I think he handled it well."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/08/cheney-justice-probe-cia-interrogators-outrage/
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Beach - can you merge my Debra Burlingame thread with this?
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Beach - can you merge my Debra Burlingame thread with this?
Done.
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Done.
Cool. this is the same issue and I like bigger threads than smaller threads that get sidetracked.
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I wish there were studies that showed how effective these advanced torturing techniques are...