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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Atlantic on September 03, 2009, 07:18:21 AM
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm
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great info there. i didn't see a link to order GH, however. minor oversight?
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm
If you're the real David Robson, why hasn't Ron given you any expert stars. I would be easier to distinguish the real experts from the jackasses.
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who said i am teh real David Robson :-X
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brian dobson is ronnnies trainer
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aliamini doesn't know wtf he's talking about with a lot of the stuff he says.
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aliamini doesn't know wtf he's talking about with a lot of the stuff he says.
QFT...just another drug dealer pushing shit he has no clue about.
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aliamini doesn't know wtf he's talking about with a lot of the stuff he says.
QFT...just another drug dealer pushing shit he has no clue about.
This article was put together for people who actually want to learn not for losers like you 2 who already know everything and "are legends in your own minds" ;D ;D ;D the kamali quote never gets old
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This article was put together for people who actually want to learn not for losers like you 2 who already know everything and "are legends in your own minds" ;D ;D ;D the kamali quote never gets old
Alright, I'll show a small sample of your stupidity.
From the article:
And how long does GH have to exert its anabolic effects? "GH", Says Ali, "has a half-life of 15 to 20 minutes after sub-q (subcutaneous) or intravenous injection. After that, blood concentrations of GH reach their peak between one and three hours after injection."
However, if I look at the data for a GH like Genotropin it clearly has a half-life of 2-3 HOURS after sub-q injection. That sentence makes no sense if you have even glanced at the data.
And c-max is achieved 3-6 hours after injection so wtf do you need to wait 30-45 before shooting your insulin?
Just a small sample my friend. ;)
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This article was put together for people who actually want to learn not for losers like you 2 who already know everything and "are legends in your own minds" ;D ;D ;D the kamali quote never gets old
you don't really want us to pick apart that article do you? and show just how unscientific your writing is? go back to your dune and peddle your drugs to the dumbasses that consider you a "guru." fucking drug dealer scum bag.
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Alright, I'll show a small sample of your stupidity.
From the article:
However, if I look at the data for a GH like Genotropin it clearly has a half-life of 2-3 HOURS after sub-q injection. That sentence makes no sense if you have even glanced at the data.
And c-max is achieved 3-6 hours after injection so wtf do you need to wait 30-45 before shooting your insulin?
Just a small sample my friend. ;)
van,u seem pretty astute on matters and compounds needed and used in pro bbing,but do u actually apply it to your physique or u just a knowledge seeker with no intent on building a physique on or with modern sports physique enhancement.
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Alright, I'll show a small sample of your stupidity.
From the article:
However, if I look at the data for a GH like Genotropin it clearly has a half-life of 2-3 HOURS after sub-q injection. That sentence makes no sense if you have even glanced at the data.
And c-max is achieved 3-6 hours after injection so wtf do you need to wait 30-45 before shooting your insulin?
Just a small sample my friend. ;)
Those are the things u will enver understand u just want to argue
well u will do fine with emn1964 ... do u even know how GH & insulin respond in the human body or u just read what ever is in the box ... sports use is different
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Alright, I'll show a small sample of your stupidity.
From the article:
However, if I look at the data for a GH like Genotropin it clearly has a half-life of 2-3 HOURS after sub-q injection. That sentence makes no sense if you have even glanced at the data.
And c-max is achieved 3-6 hours after injection so wtf do you need to wait 30-45 before shooting your insulin?
Just a small sample my friend. ;)
aliamini doesn't know wtf he's talking about with a lot of the stuff he says.
This article was put together for people who actually want to learn not for losers like you 2 who already know everything and "are legends in your own minds" ;D ;D ;D the kamali quote never gets old
I've always looked at Van_Bilderass as a "no-compromise" kind of guy. I respect him and the posts/info he provides, so when he makes a statement like the above...it makes me wonder.
Aliamini comes across as a guy that people also respect in his given field, yet he's not exactly Chad Nichols or Chris Aceto either.
VB- ever thought about being a "guru" or are you?! :P
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van,u seem pretty astute on matters and compounds needed and used in pro bbing,but do u actually apply it to your physique or u just a knowledge seeker with no intent on building a physique on or with modern sports physique enhancement.
Just a knowledge seeker. I wouldn't even say I'm that much of a knowledge seeker really - I've just done some cursory reading. Even then the stupidity here is apparent. :D
If someone gave me free growth I would take it but don't have the cash for it. :D
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Those are the things u will enver understand u just want to argue
well u will do fine with emn1964 ... do u even know how GH & insulin respond in the human body or u just read what ever is in the box ... sports use is different
Sports use is different? Sports use changes half-lives? That's news to me.
I've always looked at Van_Bilderass as a "no-compromise" kind of guy. I respect him and the posts/info he provides, so when he makes a statement like the above...it makes me wonder.
Aliamini comes across as a guy that people also respect in his given field, yet he's not exactly Chad Nichols or Chris Aceto either.
VB- ever thought about being a "guru" or are you?! :P
No I'll never be a guru. But it would be pretty easy to become one. Bodybuilders are stupid in many cases unfortunately, and that's why they're easy prey for dumbass gurus. Aliamini said one true thing - bodybuilders often come from low education backgrounds and don't know much. And most of the time they just don't give a fuck about learning about the drugs they are taking.
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Just a knowledge seeker. I wouldn't even say I'm that much of a knowledge seeker really - I've just done some cursory reading. Even then the stupidity here is apparent. :D
If someone gave me free growth I would take it but don't have the cash for it. :D
COOL,i see what ur saying.
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Ali how many of Simon Chans men in thongs were you providing drugs to? it will come to light in court next week when ''nice guy'' Chan goes on trial, he has no way out of this, fiddling government funds which was tax payers money just doesnt sit well, will you go to Hong Kong to visit him? or are you like Chua that you fear one foot stepping in HK and the ICAC will have you too ::)
but oh yeah its the bodybuilders fault because they are so stupid ::)
the only thing you know about drugs is the prices, drug dealer!
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A)Sports use is different? Sports use changes half-lives? That's news to me.
B)And most of the time they just don't give a fuck about learning about the drugs they are taking.
A-Hahahahahaha! This is why I like your posts, you look for logic!
B-I think this is also what some may dub as an "old school" approach. Some info or teaching that has been around for a long time and is passed on by word of mouth, and used as scripture; Example: Arnold Schwarzenegger claimed you have to do 20 sets per body part and everybody followed his advice.
Then someone actually sits back and thinks about it and new theories are made- in the above example Mike Metzner/Arthur Jones would be those persons involved.
I think many BBers just follow blindly. I've heard many theories about past 'roid use and people would just take X amount of an oral...fast forward to now and many people seem to say that unless you inject test as a base, anything else you do may as well be worthless. Yet both work in varying degrees, do they not?
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A-Hahahahahaha! This is why I like your posts, you look for logic!
B-I think this is also what some may dub as an "old school" approach. Some info or teaching that has been around for a long time and is passed on by word of mouth, and used as scripture; Example: Arnold Schwarzenegger claimed you have to do 20 sets per body part and everybody followed his advice.
Then someone actually sits back and thinks about it and new theories are made- in the above example Mike Metzner/Arthur Jones would be those persons involved.
I think many BBers just follow blindly. I've heard many theories about past 'roid use and people would just take X amount of an oral...fast forward to now and many people seem to say that unless you inject test as a base, anything else you do may as well be worthless. Yet both work in varying degrees, do they not?
In a way ali is right, there's no data on the stacks bodybuilders do, it's trial and error. The problem is that guys like ali go quoting "science" but when the science doesn't fit their theories they dismiss it. But here's the thing: you don't get to choose which part of science you approve of.
If he just said that through trial and error he found that taking gh at his suggested times seemed to work best it would be fine. But if you're going to quote half-life data then you better be able to back it up. He was wrong about sub-q gh having a half life of only minutes. Period.
There's been tons of gurus on the net, many claiming to be pro trainers. One guru (convicted growth hormone dealer "Gavin Kane") actually tried to argue with me that methandrostenolone converted to testosterone in the body. This guy had a huge following on the boards, but he was a total dumbass too.
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A-Hahahahahaha! This is why I like your posts, you look for logic!
B-I think this is also what some may dub as an "old school" approach. Some info or teaching that has been around for a long time and is passed on by word of mouth, and used as scripture; Example: Arnold Schwarzenegger claimed you have to do 20 sets per body part and everybody followed his advice.
Then someone actually sits back and thinks about it and new theories are made- in the above example Mike Metzner/Arthur Jones would be those persons involved.
I think many BBers just follow blindly. I've heard many theories about past 'roid use and people would just take X amount of an oral...fast forward to now and many people seem to say that unless you inject test as a base, anything else you do may as well be worthless. Yet both work in varying degrees, do they not?
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Yes, plenty of massive guys in the late 60's early 70's that did dianabol cycles only, and got way bigger than most of the gym rats you see on a gram of test a week.
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When I say it is different in the sport I mean that GH & insulin are not injected IM when used to cure people (of course u might say that it does) in the medical field
yet in sport it is done like that cause the users are not patients but athletes who want the fastest result ... u think since is only what is published in magazines and papers ... u talk about things u read ... i talk about thing s i read, tried and succeeded
I do what I do
but what do u do
I am sure u do a lot and know everything as u r a getbiger and that is ur purgative
hahahahaha
you are a guy who cant even use his real name
but u know everything ;D
for each and every comment u have an argument or a research which says that opposite
cant u post something positive at least
good for you man :-X
keep it up as this is the way to go
you will achieve something one day
Ironically I get a lot of good comments from people regarding my articles as they are very simple and easy to understand
I also try to teach the average joe how these things work
yet hates only talk
and never do anything similar ::)
but as I said earlier
you know everything and you are the best
gh15 might have an issue with that
but I vote for you 8)
1 more thing ... y dont u post on my thread???
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Yes, plenty of massive guys in the late 60's early 70's that did dianabol cycles only, and got way bigger than most of the gym rats you see on a gram of test a week.
Would you agree that some of the the 'problem' is also due to training? Some guys just jump on the gas far too quickly, and never need to learn the "proper way" to train. I've been training for 12 years, and still find little tricks that completely change the way a body part is affected, or how I feel that part being worked. How can someone do that and continue to do so in 6-12 months before they hit up the juice? I suppose an entire can of worms could be opened within this too.
But to sum it up, guys in Arnold's day would be bigger naturally without taking anything (should they be telling the truth) than a gym rat today would with gear. There's an exception in any argument, however.
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Every bodybuilder I know who take both GH and insulin take them 4-5 hours apart.They pop insulin right after training, then take there GH before bedtime.In my opinion GH works best when the body is resting, and the body absorbs it better
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When I say it is different in the sport I mean that GH & insulin are not injected IM when used to cure people (of course u might say that it does) in the medical field
yet in sport it is done like that cause the users are not patients but athletes who want the fastest result ... u think since is only what is published in magazines and papers ... u talk about things u read ... i talk about thing s i read, tried and succeeded
I do what I do
but what do u do
I am sure u do a lot and know everything as u r a getbiger and that is ur purgative
hahahahaha
you are a guy who cant even use his real name
but u know everything ;D
for each and every comment u have an argument or a research which says that opposite
cant u post something positive at least
good for you man :-X
keep it up as this is the way to go
you will achieve something one day
Ironically I get a lot of good comments from people regarding my articles as they are very simple and easy to understand
I also try to teach the average joe how these things work
yet hates only talk
and never do anything similar ::)
but as I said earlier
you know everything and you are the best
gh15 might have an issue with that
but I vote for you 8)
1 more thing ... y dont u post on my thread???
I have always said that I really know jack shit. I wouldn't dare pose as an expert and write articles for bb.com for example. Why? Because I'm not an expert! I just hate poseurs.
Incidentally I could post some IM data for GH too, but what's the use. ??? :D
Every bodybuilder I know who take both GH and insulin take them 4-5 hours apart.They pop insulin right after training, then take there GH before bedtime.In my opinion GH works best when the body is resting, and the body absorbs it better
But Milos says not to take GH at bedtime because it will stop your endogenous release of GH (his reasoning is wrong). :D
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Alright, I'll show a small sample of your stupidity.
From the article:
However, if I look at the data for a GH like Genotropin it clearly has a half-life of 2-3 HOURS after sub-q injection. That sentence makes no sense if you have even glanced at the data.
And c-max is achieved 3-6 hours after injection so wtf do you need to wait 30-45 before shooting your insulin?
Just a small sample my friend. ;)
The GH stars working after sub-q admin for 15-20min then hits the liver and the liver starts to produce the growth factors
so the effect of GH remains for around 5 hours
that is y I said does should be 5 hours apart
I am a guy who dont recommend GH & insulin at the same time
we l explained it in the article
as I just duplicate what happens in the human body in the first place.
GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.
Some speculations recommend taking GH at any time because they say what I just mentioned is applicable for the GH produced by the pituitary and not that externally administrated. However, the body produces GH in those conditions because it is the best time for it, sequentially leading it to function at its maximum potential.
i think we can have a productive debate ... without all the hostility ... but we cant give up getbig's trade mark ... everyone should hate the other 8) but not u Van_Bilderass ... i love you forever
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The GH stars working after sub-q admin for 15-20min then hits the liver and the liver starts to produce the growth factors
so the effect of GH remains for around 5 hours
that is y I said does should be 5 hours apart
I am a guy who dont recommend GH & insulin at the same time
we l explained it in the article
as I just duplicate what happens in the human body in the first place.
GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.
Some speculations recommend taking GH at any time because they say what I just mentioned is applicable for the GH produced by the pituitary and not that externally administrated. However, the body produces GH in those conditions because it is the best time for it, sequentially leading it to function at its maximum potential.
i think we can have a productive debate ... without all the hostility ... but we cant give up getbig's trade mark ... everyone should hate the other 8) but not u Van_Bilderass ... i love you forever
Alright. The data shows that IGF-1 starts to elevate at approx. 4 hours which is also the time it starts to inhibit endo release. I wouldn't agree that it has effects for only 5 hours since the stimulated IGF-1 peaks at approx. 24 hours post injection!
If you were to take Humalog say 3-5 hours after the GH both would peak at the same time. I don't see how you could interpret the data any other way.
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Would you agree that some of the the 'problem' is also due to training? Some guys just jump on the gas far too quickly, and never need to learn the "proper way" to train. I've been training for 12 years, and still find little tricks that completely change the way a body part is affected, or how I feel that part being worked. How can someone do that and continue to do so in 6-12 months before they hit up the juice? I suppose an entire can of worms could be opened within this too.
But to sum it up, guys in Arnold's day would be bigger naturally without taking anything (should they be telling the truth) than a gym rat today would with gear. There's an exception in any argument, however.
Of course I agree. Very few people now have the patience or work ethic to develop any kind of natural base. I did a couple of very small cycles in the mid 80's and went back to training clean. One of my first cycles was 1 50 mg Primobolin tablet a day for 12 weeks. Only because I wanted a small boost with very little sides. Ask anyone on this board and they would tell you that would be a totally useless cycle..yet I put on about 12 pounds of solid muscle and kept most all of it when i went off. No one would believe that nowadays. Zero sides as well. No hormone shutdown anything..but if you listen to the gurus..you have to run test plus deca, blah,blah,blah and too bad if you get shut down, depressed and shrink afterwards. Of course my training and nutrition was spot on and I had at least 8 years of training clean beforehand.
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Of course I agree. Very few people now have the patience or work ethic to develop any kind of natural base. I did a couple of very small cycles in the mid 80's and went back to training clean. One of my first cycles was 1 50 mg Primobolin tablet a day for 12 weeks. Only because I wanted a small boost with very little sides. Ask anyone on this board and they would tell you that would be a totally useless cycle..yet I put on about 12 pounds of solid muscle and kept most all of it when i went off. No one would believe that nowadays. Zero sides as well. No hormone shutdown anything..but if you listen to the gurus..you have to run test plus deca, blah,blah,blah and too bad if you get shut down, depressed and shrink afterwards. Of course my training and nutrition was spot on and I had at least 8 years of training clean beforehand.
smart man,.,,,
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smart man,.,,,
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i want to drink gh steroids.
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Of course I agree. Very few people now have the patience or work ethic to develop any kind of natural base. I did a couple of very small cycles in the mid 80's and went back to training clean. One of my first cycles was 1 50 mg Primobolin tablet a day for 12 weeks. Only because I wanted a small boost with very little sides. Ask anyone on this board and they would tell you that would be a totally useless cycle..yet I put on about 12 pounds of solid muscle and kept most all of it when i went off. No one would believe that nowadays. Zero sides as well. No hormone shutdown anything..but if you listen to the gurus..you have to run test plus deca, blah,blah,blah and too bad if you get shut down, depressed and shrink afterwards. Of course my training and nutrition was spot on and I had at least 8 years of training clean beforehand.
so... where can i get some primo? ;D
no bloat, no gyno, no shutdown just increase in lbm... a wonder drug?
It's interesting to hear first hand experience from those who have used anabolics without a test base, Most that say it's useless might not have tried it themselves?...
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great info there. i didn't see a link to order GH, however. minor oversight?
Why would you like to order GH anyways, arent you a hybrid between Victor wooten,M.Balsari,Jako Pastoriuos and John Taylor when it comes to BASS?