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Ronnie or Dorian?
I say Dorian
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yo moma :D
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ha only kidding ursus, someone used that on me and i found it quite amusing.
i think dorian, judging from his to the max training system, i have no question he would also take his drug use to the max also.
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ha only kidding ursus, someone used that on me and i found it quite amusing.
i think dorian, judging from his to the max training system, i have no question he would also take his drug use to the max also.
A good example of good karma right here, vince will reap the benefits of saving chicks and children ;)
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A good example of good karma right here, vince will reap the benefits of saving chicks and children ;)
both are beautiful :)
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Ronnie or Dorian?
I say Dorian
I look at it this way. Dorian always espoused being in contest shape a few weeks out, so as not to need any last minute "adjustments" in order to be in shape. He was notorious for being hard working and meticulous. Ronnie on the other hand, while hard working in his own right, was nothing before Teh Chad. He had a guru holding his hand during his entire Olympia reign. If you take away Teh Chad, how many of Ronnie's 8 Sandows would still exist on his mantle? Would he have any at all?
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probably Yates.
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I look at it this way. Dorian always espoused being in contest shape a few weeks out, so as not to need any last minute "adjustments" in order to be in shape. He was notorious for being hard working and meticulous. Ronnie on the other hand, while hard working in his own right, was nothing before Teh Chad. He had a guru holding his hand during his entire Olympia reign. If you take away Teh Chad, how many of Ronnie's 8 Sandows would still exist on his mantle? Would he have any at all?
exactly
Dorian is the only Mr. O with enough mental capacity to figure out his own diet and prep.
most of the other morons needs a whole team behind them holding their hands telling them how to eat, sleap, shit and train
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Dorian was the most intelligent and calculated Mr Olympia... in my opinion...
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Dorian was the most intelligent and calculated Mr Olympia... in my opinion...
yates is the most drugged up mr o to compensate for his ugly structure...just drugs and muscle piled on anyway. he was completely falling apart at the end of his 6 hr run. ronnie is more age and damn powerlifting....instead of focusing on sharpness at the end. jay is more calculated...esp on the financial end...just missed on getting #3 before he could jump ship.
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Goudy's prom pic 8)
(http://www.pathfindervillage.org/index_files/guy-on-home.jpg)
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nasser never took any drugs,.. only his great arab genetics + 150 gm of protien/day 8)
yes protien is overrated ;D
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nasser never took any drugs,.. only his great arab genetics + 150 gm of protien/day 8)
yes protien is overrated ;D
We're talking about Mr.O's (and guys with backs), thus Nasser doesn't apply. When the thread is titled. "Who took more synthol", feel free to chime in.
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nasser never took any drugs,.. only his great arab genetics + 150 gm of protien/day 8)
yes protien is overrated ;D
LMAO sheriff
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Lee Priest for the win ;)
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Goudy's prom pic 8)
(http://www.pathfindervillage.org/index_files/guy-on-home.jpg)
;D
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;D
LMAO :D
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I feel Coleman was all drugs
would not even train hard if not for the aas
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I feel Coleman was all drugs
would not even train hard if not for the aas
x2
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I feel Coleman was all drugs
would not even train hard if not for the aas
He'd just be the weirdo sitting in the corner of the gym yelling, "Yeah Buddy"!
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Coleman was all genetics. Those black motherfuckers probably take half the shit guys like Dorian and Cutler take. Genetics is the SINGLE most differentiating factor all else being equal. Was Dorian a harder worker? Probably. Was he more intelligent? Obviously. Did he take more drugs???? Probably due to his inferior genetics. I mean genetics is purely the reason why the IFBB Mr. O is dominated by blacks. You guys can deny and whine about this all you want......it's the truth.
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Coleman was all genetics. Those black motherfuckers probably take half the shit guys like Dorian and Cutler take. Genetics is the SINGLE most differentiating factor all else being equal. Was Dorian a harder worker? Probably. Was he more intelligent? Obviously. Did he take more drugs???? Probably due to his inferior genetics. I mean genetics is purely the reason why the IFBB Mr. O is dominated by blacks. You guys can deny and whine about this all you want......it's the truth.
They are ALL taking huge amounts..Genetic shape/size of muscle is miles apart to genetic response to hormones and totaly different..Pure speculation on your part mate..
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Coleman was all genetics. Those black motherfuckers probably take half the shit guys like Dorian and Cutler take. Genetics is the SINGLE most differentiating factor all else being equal. Was Dorian a harder worker? Probably. Was he more intelligent? Obviously. Did he take more drugs???? Probably due to his inferior genetics. I mean genetics is purely the reason why the IFBB Mr. O is dominated by blacks. You guys can deny and whine about this all you want......it's the truth.
What did Dorian take, I have no idea. However, I don't necessarily see Dorian as one to push the ragged edge when it comes to such things. He seems too methodical and well reasoned for that. In an age when synthol and diuretic abuse became the norm, he never went that route. Hell, he tore his bicep and never went the synthol route, though many of his counterparts did, even though they had no such injury. While reports of others cramping up and nearly dying from diuretics became all too common, I never heard of such an incident with Dorian. I'm sure he used them, but I never heard of him getting in trouble from them. And he didn't have a guru holding his hand and telling him what to take, as he preferred to think for himself.
Who took more, Dorian or Ronnie? Don't know, don't care in all honesty. But I do respect Dorian more for some of the reasons stated above. He took responsibility for his own career, for better or worse. Most bodybuilders, including Ronnie, didn't have that capacity, or didn't want the responsibility.
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Coleman was after Yates, so therefore for his Nth Olympia, Coleman did much more than did Yates for his Nth Olympia.
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I feel Coleman was all drugs
would not even train hard if not for the aas
if the dude is black, there's a good chance that dusa here hates him out of sheer jealousy.
maybe we'll have another Plaxico thread huh?
look mike, things didn't work out all that well fo ryou, we get that. stop hating those with greater success than you. use your time to improve your own lot mate
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Coleman was all genetics. Those black motherfuckers probably take half the shit guys like Dorian and Cutler take. Genetics is the SINGLE most differentiating factor all else being equal. Was Dorian a harder worker? Probably. Was he more intelligent? Obviously. Did he take more drugs???? Probably due to his inferior genetics. I mean genetics is purely the reason why the IFBB Mr. O is dominated by blacks. You guys can deny and whine about this all you want......it's the truth.
there's been more white olympia winners than blacks.
yates beat some of the best bbers of all time who had some of the greatest genetics of all time.
owned.
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I don’t think Ronnie has better genetics than dorian!!.. yes sure in many parts he has much better genetics than dorian but if we take into considerations that fact that Ronnie has many flaws (calves, lower chest, & abs) I believe dorian can be considered a man with better genetics because at his very best he didn’t have any clear weakness..
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nasser never took any drugs,.. only his great arab genetics + 150 gm of protien/day 8)
yes protien is overrated ;D
Nasser El Sonbaty doesn't take drugs. Drugs take Nasser El Sonbaty.
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There was a thread on some board years ago with Dan Dunchine saying he spoke to Dorian at the 1991 NOC and couldn't believe how low his GH doses were compared to others, as well as gear. He said Dorian was reluctant to do any more.
Believe what you will but Dorian had everything else right every day.
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exactly
Dorian is the only Mr. O with enough mental capacity to figure out his own diet and prep.
most of the other morons needs a whole team behind them holding their hands telling them how to eat, sleap, shit and train
So Ronnie's mental capacity was holding him up---what did he do before 1998, if you look at the 1997 Mr. O pics you see that ronnie had a better back than Dorian, Ronnie was the classic case of bbers being overlooked. In fact, in 1998 had Flex came in tighter, Flex would have won.
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there's been more white olympia winners than blacks.
yates beat some of the best bbers of all time who had some of the greatest genetics of all time.
owned.
Stop MadCrackness. i have no clue who came up with the genetic s##t in bbing but it needs to stop. you can count on one hand the number of guys (ronnie, shawn, phil, joj?, etc) who were good in real athletics before bbing. the rest are drugged up behind reality. that's why they go back to s$$t on a stick when they come off, to nothingness to needles and pill popping to a new level.
i'm not even going into the likes of melvin, tom price, king and the others over the yrs.
here's what it is: this whole board could get a pro card under the guidance of jay...just like phil...if everyone had the time, resources, desire and willingness.
TALK GENETICS, TALK REAL MAJOR LEAGUE SPORTS ALA NFL, NBA, SOCCER (u really think anybody can be ronaldinho or just jump into Series A), NHL, MLB, F1, NASCAR (lee had problems with gocarts), GOLF, etc.
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I actually aske Ron Love for his oppinion on this since he stayed at Dorian's house and also trained with and knew ronnie.
He said that Yates took it to another level and Ronnie pushed it even further
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I don’t think Ronnie has better genetics than dorian!!.. yes sure in many parts he has much better genetics than dorian but if we take into considerations that fact that Ronnie has many flaws (calves, lower chest, & abs) I believe dorian can be considered a man with better genetics because at his very best he didn’t have any clear weakness..
good post.
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despite what many claim ronny made a big jump from his 2nd or 3rd tier physique to his olympia physique, theres a lot of fact twisting going on...
chad drugged him to saturation point, and pushed him to another level....end of story
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What did Dorian take, I have no idea. However, I don't necessarily see Dorian as one to push the ragged edge when it comes to such things. He seems too methodical and well reasoned for that. In an age when synthol and diuretic abuse became the norm, he never went that route. Hell, he tore his bicep and never went the synthol route, though many of his counterparts did, even though they had no such injury. While reports of others cramping up and nearly dying from diuretics became all too common, I never heard of such an incident with Dorian. And he didn't have a guru holding his hand and telling him what to take, as he preferred to think for himself.
Who took more, Dorian or Ronnie? Don't know, don't care in all honesty. But I do respect Dorian more for some of the reasons stated above. He took responsibility for his own career, for better or worse. Most bodybuilders, including Ronnie, didn't have that capacity, or didn't want the responsibility.
Dorian never used diuretics? ::) Yeah right.
I remember reading a report how he was cramping bad for his first O win. Someone had to rush to the hotel to pick up his anti-cramping pills he had forgotten there.
Milos said Dorian was using DNP and Dorian advised a potentially lethal dose for Milos to take.
Dorian almost died from internal bleeding while prepping for his last O.
I bet Dorian had trusted advisers too, although no public "guru".
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Dorian was the most intelligent and calculated Mr Olympia... in my opinion...
if that was true he wouldn't have been training way too heavy precontest doing 405 pound barbell rows for the 94 Olympia and not ruined his arm for the rest of his career..
ronnie started to tear late in his career as he got old - thats quite common.
dorian tore early on from the beginning because he wasn't training as intelligently as he should have been.
<cue guy uproar lol>
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if that was true he wouldn't have been training way too heavy precontest doing 405 pound barbell rows for the 94 Olympia and not ruined his arm for the rest of his career..
ronnie started to tear late in his career as he got old - thats quite common.
dorian tore early on from the beginning because he wasn't training as intelligently as he should have been.
<cue guy uproar lol>
Top athletes get injured. That's just the way it goes in any sport. Hindsight is 20/20.
That Ronnie didn't get injured was hardly because he went lighter than Dorian. Doing 800lb deads 5 weeks out with mixed grip is hardly being "intelligent" or thinking of risk/benefit ratio. Ronnie could've had a major tear any time, pure luck (and genetics) that he didn't.
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ronnie could handle the poundages that dorian couldn't.
thats life.
ronnie is just better in so many different ways LOL
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Dorian never used diuretics? ::) Yeah right.
I remember reading a report how he was cramping bad for his first O win. Someone had to rush to the hotel to pick up his anti-cramping pills he had forgotten there.
Milos said Dorian was using DNP and Dorian advised a potentially lethal dose for Milos to take.
Dorian almost died from internal bleeding while prepping for his last O.
I bet Dorian had trusted advisers too, although no public "guru".
Dorian had the help of a guy called Stuart Cosgrove who I believe was a qualified physician and physiotherapist as well as a former competitive bodybuilder. He could get access to prescriptions if he wanted to.
As for who took the most drugs - I dunno - chances are they probably took roughly the same stuff.
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dorian
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Ronnie
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there's been more white olympia winners than blacks.
yates beat some of the best bbers of all time who had some of the greatest genetics of all time.
owned.
Hey you epic fucking moron there have been 23 white Olympia winners since 1965 and 20 black Olympia winners since 1965. There have been more black winners since 1980. And there have been WAY MORE top 10 black bodybuilders than white. Take out Samir Bannout and it's only 22 to 20 white to black bodybuilders. Take away the politics and racism of the 60's and 70's and it's pretty even in my book. Haney and Coleman both won 8 Mr. Olympias. More than their white competitors. I JUST OWNED YOU FUCKSTICK!
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Coleman was all genetics. Those black motherfuckers probably take half the shit guys like Dorian and Cutler take. Genetics is the SINGLE most differentiating factor all else being equal. Was Dorian a harder worker? Probably. Was he more intelligent? Obviously. Did he take more drugs???? Probably due to his inferior genetics. I mean genetics is purely the reason why the IFBB Mr. O is dominated by blacks. You guys can deny and whine about this all you want......it's the truth.
you sound like those "guys" who think "blacks", as you call them, have a bigger cock than "whites". ::)
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Goudy's prom pic 8)
(http://www.pathfindervillage.org/index_files/guy-on-home.jpg)
bullshit. that guy's much better looking than goudy.
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Both, but from what I heard, Dorian was the one who pushed the envolope with HGH use to new heights.
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Dorian never used diuretics? ::) Yeah right.
I remember reading a report how he was cramping bad for his first O win. Someone had to rush to the hotel to pick up his anti-cramping pills he had forgotten there.
Milos said Dorian was using DNP and Dorian advised a potentially lethal dose for Milos to take.
Dorian almost died from internal bleeding while prepping for his last O.
I bet Dorian had trusted advisers too, although no public "guru".
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true,i remember between the tears and internal bleeding the last o he was lucky to get through.u could tell by his face he worked hard to get in and stay in shape.
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Who took more drugs...
My friend. He smokes brick EVERY night.
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Ronnie Winehouse.
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Ronnie or Dorian?
I say Dorian
But Ronnie took more Weider supplements!!!
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But Ronnie took more Weidercock supplements!!!
;)
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both took a few cc's a day of roids, both took as much gh as they could afford. both tinkered with insulin. ronnie probably more s on the slin than dorian, but id bet dorian probably was more drastic with the diuretics and such.
most pro bodybuilders use about the same..thats just common sense..to be at that level you gotta use everything you can, regardless of how good your genetics are. cuz the other dudes up there got good genetics and train hard and are taking everything they can, so you gotta do it too.
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both took a few cc's a day of roids, both took as much gh as they could afford. both tinkered with insulin. ronnie probably more s on the slin than dorian, but id bet dorian probably was more drastic with the diuretics and such.
most pro bodybuilders use about the same..thats just common sense..to be at that level you gotta use everything you can, regardless of how good your genetics are. cuz the other dudes up there got good genetics and train hard and are taking everything they can, so you gotta do it too.
Just curious, why would you suggest Dorian to have used more diuretics? In that regard I would have picked Ronnie all the way.
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Just curious, why would you suggest Dorian to have used more diuretics? In that regard I would have picked Ronnie all the way.
well, dorian was very dry. even on white skin. white guys dont look as conditioned as darker guys, because of their skin tone. so for dorian as a white guy to look much much dryer and graineier than all the dark guys he was standing next to..... common sense says theres a reason for that, and diet cant produce something that dramatic.
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Just curious, why would you suggest Dorian to have used more diuretics? In that regard I would have picked Ronnie all the way.
i draw the same conclusion just by looking at dorians pics, there is no fluid left under his skin!!!!!
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(http://img2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/231846.jpg)
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Ronnie or Dorian?
I say Dorian
Ronnie in the off-season of 2003 took more drugs than any bodybuilder in the history of the sport. I mean, sets of 12 reps on incline dumbbell presses with 200 lbs dumbbells? Give me a break.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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i draw the same conclusion just by looking at dorians pics, there is no fluid left under his skin!!!!!
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Dorian tended to be in shape a few weeks out. Why then would he need to hammer the diuretics? Did he use them, quite likely. But, he always had a grainier physique from the get go. Ronnie didn't get his shit together until he met Teh Chad. Everything amounts to supposition, however, as none of us really knows for sure.
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if the dude is black, there's a good chance that dusa here hates him out of sheer jealousy.
lax couldn't be dusa... didn't dusa die of some flesh-eating disease?
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lax couldn't be dusa... didn't dusa die of some flesh-eating disease?
Yes, the disease was brought into the country by some Mexican landscaper and then transfered to Dusa somehow...
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The better your natural ability/structure, the fewer drugs you need.
The winner for the most drug use =
YATES
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he turned pro, taking plenty mgs and looked like this.....
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Ronnie because he comes off as to dumb to know when to say enough is enough.
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well, dorian was very dry. even on white skin. white guys dont look as conditioned as darker guys, because of their skin tone. so for dorian as a white guy to look much much dryer and graineier than all the dark guys he was standing next to..... common sense says theres a reason for that, and diet cant produce something that dramatic.
I think its the other way round , Black guys find it hard to get dry , I just thought that was there skin tone.Even at ronnies best he still looked soft compared to Dorian or Munzer. ???
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I think its the other way round , Black guys find it hard to get dry , I just thought that was there skin tone.Even at ronnies best he still looked soft compared to Dorian or Munzer. ???
Good point Will, not being racist or anything but I think the black guys skin may absorb more water due to being more poreous, Munzer was probably the most ripped BB of all time.
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My friend. He smokes brick EVERY night.
Bump for my friend who took more drugs than Ronnie and Dorian combined by smoking brick EVERY night.
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Good point Will, not being racist or anything but I think the black guys skin may absorb more water due to being more poreous, Munzer was probably the most ripped BB of all time.
yes .. but Munzer was sick..literally
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:D :D
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Looks like paint thinner is the safest. ;D
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yes .. but Munzer was sick..literally
Yes spot on thats how he got so ripped..RIP
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Looks like paint thinner is the safest. ;D
true true