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Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in Washington Office
FOX News ^ | 09/11/09
Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 10:49:09 AM by freespirited
One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes,
another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington.
The newly released videotape, shot on July 25, shows ACORN staffers explaining to the pair how they can hide the woman's professed work — prostitution — and get a loan that will help them establish a brothel.
James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as the pimp while visiting the ACORN office, accompanied by 20-year-old Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute. On a videotape provided to FOXNews.com, they are seen receiving guidance to establish the woman as the sole proprietor of a bogus company to mask the nature of her business.
"She's not going to put on (the loan application) that she's doing prostitution ... she doesn't have to," the ACORN staffer says. "You don't have to sit back and tell people what you do."
The ACORN staffer is heard suggesting that O'Keefe can purchase a house, and as the landlord, if he is ever questioned by authorities, he can say he was unaware of the illegal business going on inside.
"[W]hen the police ask you, (tell them) you don't know where (the money is) coming from," the staffer said. "We are looking out for you."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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This is getting bigger by the day.
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if they broke the law, lock their asses up.
stop making this about partisan bullshit.
Lock up those who commit crimes. It's not rocket science.
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New Video 240
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you're beating a dead horse.
There isn't one getbigger here who is going to say they support breaking the law like this.
Carry on, though. While you're screaming about ACORn sex rings and obama speeches, obama's getting away with the bigger things like health care and cap/trade. we, the reader, don't know what's more important... some speech and some blowjobs, or the future of healthcare and global energy, because you talk about them equally ;)
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This is unreal - Serious - you need to see this insanity. Who was their lawyer again?
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if they broke the law, lock their asses up.
stop making this about partisan bullshit.
Lock up those who commit crimes. It's not rocket science.
This isn't partisan. It shows the first incident wasn't isolated..this is an organization that has has a philosophy of corruption..merely another crooked entity that Obama has aligned himself with. If Americans aren't saddened by what this administration is doing to their country, they'd have to be either brain dead or avid supporters of third world "Banana republics" which our country is morphing into.
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This isn't partisan. It shows the first incident wasn't isolated..this is an organization that has has a philosophy of corruption..merely another crooked entity that Obama has aligned himself with. If Americans aren't saddened by what this administration is doing to their country, they'd have to be either brain dead or avid supporters of third world "Banana republics" which our country is morphing into.
I heard they got $6 Billion dollars of 240's beloved Stimulus Bill.
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WTF they are the MOB :o >:(
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WTF they are the MOB :o >:(
That second video is incredible. They are no different than the mob.
RICO prosecutions need to start for this, the vote fraud, election rigging, etc.
Where are Decker and Straw to defend this gang?
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I heard they got $6 Billion dollars of 240's beloved Stimulus Bill.
Are you serious..these Lowlifes got 6 billion? What an epic joke... I hope these incidents are the nail in the coffin for these clowns..but somehow I don't think it will be.
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Are you serious..these Lowlifes got 6 billion? What an epic joke... I hope these incidents are the nail in the coffin for these clowns..but somehow I don't think it will be.
these ppl are also going to be used to do the 2010 census which leads to redistricting gerrymandering
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New Video 240
that's the dumbest fucking shit for brains vid I've ever fucking seen... Did this fucking douchbag actually put a soundtrack to this ::) Are you actually posting this shit.... Fuck the hell off... I'm not sure which is worse, the douchebag who set up the retards or the retards.
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Are you serious..these Lowlifes got 6 billion? What an epic joke... I hope these incidents are the nail in the coffin for these clowns..but somehow I don't think it will be.
Of course what 3336 and tonymctone's wrote are misrepresented half-truths.
ACORN did not receive six billion. That's not even feasible. Republicans started a scare campaign before the bill passed about the possibility of community groups- of which, they used ACORN as an example- receiving up to 4 billion from the bill.
And the government census is performed by government employees. A few months ago, amid another Republican scare campaign, it was revealed that ACORN was one of, literally, thousands of groups that will be involved in informing the public about the census.
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jesus fucking hell, how many seconds do you think it would take for me to walk into some white trash establishment and get hidden camera shit that would be WTF???
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And the government census is performed by government employees. A few months ago, amid another Republican scare campaign, it was revealed that ACORN was one of, literally, thousands of groups that will be involved in informing the public about the census.
I didnt say they were the only ones did I brain child?
I said these ppl were going to be used for the census...sorry you have comprehension problems
and I guess since there will be other organizations performing the census its ok that this one is corrupt as shit huh?
how about having the census report directly to the white house chief of staff i bet you have no problem with that either huh?
obama shill=doggity
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jesus fucking hell, how many seconds do you think it would take for me to walk into some white trash establishment and get hidden camera shit that would be WTF???
Hugo - get a camera and try it. Make sure that the org you approach had McCain as one of its main backers and former organizers. Also, make sure you find a group that gets tax dollars and assists with elections and voting as well.
Ok?
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that's the dumbest fucking shit for brains vid I've ever fucking seen... Did this fucking douchbag actually put a soundtrack to this ::) Are you actually posting this shit.... Fuck the hell off... I'm not sure which is worse, the douchebag who set up the retards or the retards.
First off, you are being a complete hypocrite Hugo the way you come after me. You bash me for my approach and then post rants like that? Come on Bro. At least be consistent.
Watch the second video. These people are getting tax dollars and helping with the census and elections.
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First off, you are being a complete hypocrite Hugo the way you come after me. You bash me for my approach and then post rants like that? Come on Bro. At least be consistent.
Watch the second video. These people are getting tax dollars and helping with the census and elections.
I'm going to give you the same crickets I got for years from righties.... enjoy...
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I'm going to give you the same crickets I got for years from righties.... enjoy...
hugo most of the ppl on here didnt even post on here in 06 or 07 you cant hold us responsible for others actions bro...
3333 has condemned bush on many things gone after reps as well it just so happens that right now the libs are the ones in power and therefor under more scrutiny.
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hugo most of the ppl on here didnt even post on here in 06 or 07 you cant hold us responsible for others actions bro...
3333 has condemned bush on many things gone after reps as well it just so happens that right now the libs are the ones in power and therefor under more scrutiny.
I was thrown off of FR for fucks sake. I also wrote a letter to the RNC renouncing my memebership in 2005. That's not good enough for these people Tony.
This ACORN thing is the tip of the iceberg, and I believe Beck has a ton more info that he is about to unload. i think this is just the apetizer and the main course is coming.
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I didnt say they were the only ones did I brain child?
I said these ppl were going to be used for the census...sorry you have comprehension problems
and I guess since there will be other organizations performing the census its ok that this one is corrupt as shit huh?
how about having the census report directly to the white house chief of staff i bet you have no problem with that either huh?
obama shill=doggity
ACORN will not be conducting the census at all. Like I said in my previous post, the US government conducts the census. ACORN, along with tens of thousands of other groups, will be a part of a public awareness campaign.
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hugo most of the ppl on here didnt even post on here in 06 or 07 you cant hold us responsible for others actions bro...
3333 has condemned bush on many things gone after reps as well it just so happens that right now the libs are the ones in power and therefor under more scrutiny.
the collective... you fuckers are like the borg :D
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I was thrown off of FR for fucks sake. I also wrote a letter to the RNC renouncing my memebership in 2005. That's not good enough for these people Tony.
This ACORN thing is the tip of the iceberg, and I believe Beck has a ton more info that he is about to unload. i think this is just the apetizer and the main course is coming.
I doubt it. Didn't the guy who tried these videos say he tried the same thing at several other acorn offices? I'm inclined to believe this is just a case of a few bad apples. If this was a widespread thing, a compilation of all of that wrong doing would make a much more dramatic impact.
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ACORN will not be conducting the census at all. Like I said in my previous post, the US government conducts the census. ACORN, along with tens of thousands of other groups, will be a part of a public awareness campaign.
I think in light of these videos, the 11 people arrested for vote fraud earlier in the week, that ACORN needs to have nothing to with tax dollars, the census, or anything for that matter.
They are a criminal enterprise on to themselves.
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I doubt it. Didn't the guy who tried these videos say he tried the same thing at several other acorn offices? I'm inclined to believe this is just a case of a few bad apples. If this was a widespread thing, a compilation of all of that wrong doing would make a much more dramatic impact.
The 11 people arrested for vote fraud this week was a "isolated incident" as well right?
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I also wrote a letter to the RNC renouncing my memebership in 2005.
hahahahahhahahahahahaah.... omg i'm lol'n... This just sound so ridiculous haha jaja baba bubu doodoo.... ;)
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ACORN Workers Face Charges of Alleged Voter Registration Fraud in Florida
The FBI and state authorities were making arrests Wednesday of workers hired to register voters by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN.
Cristina Corbin
FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 09, 2009
Federal and state authorities in Miami are still searching for five of the 11 people suspected of falsifying information on hundreds of voter registration cards -- including registering the name of the late actor Paul Newman -- the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told FOXNews.com Thursday.
Six people were taken into custody Wednesday as arrest warrants were issued for 11 workers hired by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- or ACORN -- on charges of voter registration fraud.
Florida state attorney Katherine Fernandez-Rundle said the 11 workers hired to register voters by ACORN in Homestead, Fla., submitted 888 fraudulent names -- which included names of people who were already registered voters, fictitious names, and the name of the late actor Paul Newman, who died in Sept. 2008.
Fernandez-Rundle said ACORN alerted her office after it reviewed hundreds of voter registration cards it suspected were fraudulent. She said that none of the names in question actually voted.
"While they were attempting to steal from ACORN, they were stealing from our electoral process and we just will not tolerate that," she said.
Fernandez-Rundle said the workers, who were being paid 10 dollars an hour to register voters, face anywhere from 2 to 37 counts of "false swearing in connection with voting or elections" and "submission of false voter registration information."
"They were attempting to justify their hourly wages," she said.
In a statement sent to FOXNews.com. on Wednesday, Florida ACORN board member Leroy Bell said, "We want to commend the state attorney for taking decisive action. Today's action demonstrates the seriousness we brought to the task of not only expanding the electorate, but also of protecting the integrity of the voting process. "
"Over the last five years thousands of dedicated people have worked or volunteered with Florida ACORN and succeeded in helping hundreds of thousands of Florida citizens -- especially African-Americans, Latinos, low-income and young people -- to apply to become registered voters. Fortunately, our quality control managers and the systems we developed ensured their ability to spot the isolated wrongdoing by these 11 workers who tried to pass off phony forms instead of doing their work," he said.
Bell added that the government should do more to modernize the voter registration system, saying ACORN would "prefer that Florida and the United States adopt a more modern voter registration system where getting everyone on the rolls is the government's job and mission."
ACORN's activities were frequently questioned during the 2008 presidential election. The group, which claims to be a non-partisan grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people, came under fire in 2007 when Washington State filed felony charges against several paid ACORN employees and supervisors for more than 1,700 fraudulent voter registrations. In March 2008, an ACORN worker in Pennsylvania was sentenced for making 29 phony voter registration forms.
Click here to read an arrest affidavit.
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This was just this week Al. ACORN should be banned from anything to do with tax dollars or grants.
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It worked. I have never gotten another fundraising letter again.
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bla bla bla.... bla bla bla...
wow that was great...
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the collective... you fuckers are like the borg :D
LOL come on now huggy bear you dont want me lumping you in with the likes of 240 or lurker and mons do you?
I know i didnt post on the politics board in 06 or 07 so unless you have ppl on here that specifically avoided it you should drop it.
Ive called out bush, not near as much as you have but thats b/c your ideologies clash same as with mine and obamas/dems.
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Ive called out bush, not near as much as you.
hahaha... yea right...
Ok I'm getting use to being called huggy bear. That's oddly sick and I must stop it right away....
and yes, you fucking rightwingers are like the borg. You're a collective. It doesn't matter if you were posting here 2 years or 4 years ago... You're all connected and that's a big no shit.
3333, is this what you wanted? I can play.... I can come out of reality, go back into the matrix and play these bullshit tit for tat games...
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The 11 people arrested for vote fraud this week was a "isolated incident" as well right?
Essentially, yep.
First of all, it wasn't vote fraud. It was voter REGISTRATION fraud. That's an important distinction. Vote fraud implies election results are at stake. From the very article you posted, it's clear that the registrations will have no effect on the election.
ACORN employees get paid by the registration. Some people are going to make up fake applications. However, those fake applications are almost 100% unlikely to result in a fake vote.
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hahaha... yea right...
Ok I'm getting use to being called huggy bear. That's oddly sick and I must stop it right away....
and yes, you fucking rightwingers are like the borg. You're a collective. It doesn't matter if you were posting here 2 years or 4 years ago... You're all connected and that's a big no shit.
3333, is this what you wanted? I can play.... I can come out of reality, go back into the matrix and play these bullshit tit for tat games...
So Tony and I are part of the VRWC????
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So Tony and I are part of the BORG????
yup 8)
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Essentially, yep.
First of all, it wasn't vote fraud. It was voter REGISTRATION fraud. That's an important distinction. Vote fraud implies election results are at stake. From the very article you posted, it's clear that the registrations will have no effect on the election.
ACORN employees get paid by the registration. Some people are going to make up fake applications. However, those fake applications are almost 100% unlikely to result in a fake vote.
Hey AL - they are wasting tax dollars because people at the election office have to sift through this crap.
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hahaha... yea right...
Ok I'm getting use to being called huggy bear. That's oddly sick and I must stop it right away....
and yes, you fucking rightwingers are like the borg. You're a collective. It doesn't matter if you were posting here 2 years or 4 years ago... You're all connected and that's a big no shit.
3333, is this what you wanted? I can play.... I can come out of reality, go back into the matrix and play these bullshit tit for tat games...
LOL i have called out bush huggsy ;D
hahahahhahah
so you dont have a problem with me lumping you in with mons, luker and 240 then?
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Hey AL - they are wasting tax dollars because people at the election office have to sift through this crap.
Virtually all of the "fraud" is reported by ACORN. They go through all of the registrations before they are filed with the government. However, they have to submit all of the registrations because they are federal form. So in reality, the taxpayer expense basically comes down to someone verifying flagged submissions.
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LOL i have called out bush huggsy ;D
hahahahhahah
so you dont have a problem with me lumping you in with mons, luker and 240 then?
I'm totally fine with being in 240's camp. I don't really know mons and lurker all that well so as long as they don't play footsies in the tent, I'm good.
and you cannot challenge me on calling out Bush, I will stomp your ass record wise there...
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Virtually all of the "fraud" is reported by ACORN. They go through all of the registrations before they are filed with the government. However, they have to submit all of the registrations because they are federal form. So in reality, the taxpayer expense basically comes down to someone verifying flagged submissions.
Either way they are still gumming up the system and wasting peoples' time with their fraudulent crap.
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Either way they are still gumming up the system and wasting peoples' time with their fraudulent crap.
Not really. I explained why in my last post.
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Not really. I explained why in my last post.
THIS WAS YOUR POST:
However, they have to submit all of the registrations because they are federal form. So in reality, the taxpayer expense basically comes down to someone verifying flagged submissions.
And who is responsible for verifying these things?
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I'm totally fine with being in 240's camp. I don't really know mons and lurker all that well so as long as they don't play footsies in the tent, I'm good.
and you cannot challenge me on calling out Bush, I will stomp your ass record wise there...
LOL come on now huggy bear you dont want me lumping you in with the likes of 240 or lurker and mons do you?
I know i didnt post on the politics board in 06 or 07 so unless you have ppl on here that specifically avoided it you should drop it.
Ive called out bush, not near as much as you have but thats b/c your ideologies clash same as with mine and obamas/dems.[/font]
I already admitted that you called out bush more then me and explained why
just like why 3333 calls out obama more then you and why
that doesnt mean i didnt call out bush as i did on shit that i didnt like
you know alot of ppl on the left like to complain about 3333 and the number of threads he creates but his numbers arent anything compared to 240 during the election and the countless idiotic threads he started and everyone but me was fine with it then....SO I SAY SUCK IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Al, here is a second video in a different office with another ACORN worker who is encrouraging these folks to commit tax crimes and the same criminal violations as the Baltimore office earlier released.
How many examples do they have to find before people accept that ACORN is not a responsible organization that can adequately police its people. How can you defend this illegal and reprehesible behavior? No tax dollars to ACORN, appauling.
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I know I post a lot of articles - but other than that one about the Secret Service guy, how many articles have I posted that are utter lies and nonsense like the ones about Palin or CT's etc?
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I already admitted that you called out bush more then me and explained why
just like why 3333 calls out obama more then you and why
that doesnt mean i didnt call out bush as i did on shit that i didnt like
you know alot of ppl on the left like to complain about 3333 and the number of threads he creates but his numbers arent anything compared to 240 during the election and the countless idiotic threads he started and everyone but me was fine with it then....SO I SAY SUCK IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whoa... that was totally borg... cool...
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THIS WAS YOUR POST:
However, they have to submit all of the registrations because they are federal form. So in reality, the taxpayer expense basically comes down to someone verifying flagged submissions.
And who is responsible for verifying these things?
Maybe you misunderstood my post. The verification process does not typically include any type of investigation or follow up. It just involves getting rid of the flagged submissions. There have never been enough fraudulent forms to "gum up" any works. Fraudulent forms can be traced back to employees and most convictions of ACORN staff are results of cases initiated by ACORN officials.
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Al, here is a second video in a different office with another ACORN worker who is encrouraging these folks to commit tax crimes and the same criminal violations as the Baltimore office earlier released.
How many examples do they have to find before people accept that ACORN is not a responsible organization that can adequately police its people. How can you defend this illegal and reprehesible behavior? No tax dollars to ACORN, appauling.
ACORN doesn't receive federal funding. And has anyone in this thread tried to defend illegal behavior?
And to answer your first question, I will need more than two examples. I was aware of both videos when I began posting in this thread.
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Maybe you misunderstood my post. The verification process does not typically include any type of investigation or follow up. It just involves getting rid of the flagged submissions. There have never been enough fraudulent forms to "gum up" any works. Fraudulent forms can be traced back to employees and most convictions of ACORN staff are results of cases initiated by ACORN officials.
Where would these workers even get the idea that it is ok to submit this nonsense in the first place? Whether its to ACORN HQ or the local election registrar, where would they even conjure up the idea to do this?
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More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light
Congressional Democrats still want the group to be eligible for federal money.Article Comments more in
By JOHN FUND
Democrats are split on how to deal with Acorn, the liberal "community organizing" group that deployed thousands of get-out-the-vote workers last election. State and city Democratic officials -- who've been contending with its many scandals -- are moving against it. Washington Democrats are still sweeping Acorn abuses under a rug.
On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.
Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson calls the Nevada criminal complaint "political grandstanding" and says that any problems were the actions of an unnamed "bad employee." But Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada's Democratic Attorney General, told the Las Vegas Sun that Acorn itself is named in the criminal complaint. She says that Acorn's training manuals "clearly detail, condone and . . . require illegal acts," such as requiring its workers to meet strict voter-registration targets to keep their jobs.
Other Democrats on the ground have complaints. Fred Voight, deputy election commissioner in Philadelphia, protested after Acorn (according to the registrar of voters and his own investigation) submitted at least 1,500 fraudulent registrations last fall. "This has been going on for a number of years," he told CNN in October. St. Louis Democrat Matthew Potter, the city's deputy elections director, had similar complaints.
Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.
The stink is bad enough that some congressional Democrats have taken notice. At a March 19 hearing on election problems, Michigan Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, pressed New York Rep. Gerald Nadler, chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, to hold a hearing on Acorn. He called the charges against it "serious." Mr. Nadler agreed to consider the request.
Mr. Nadler's office now says there will be no hearing on Acorn because Mr. Conyers has changed his mind. Mr. Conyers's office released a statement on Monday saying that after reviewing "the complaints against Acorn, I have concluded that a hearing on this matter appears unwarranted at this time." A Democratic staffer told me he believes the House leadership put pressure on Mr. Conyers to back down. Mr. Conyers's office says it is "unaware" of any contacts with House leaders.
Then there's Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. Last month, he voted for a committee amendment (to the Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act) by Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R., Minn.) to block groups indicted for voter fraud from receiving federal housing or legal assistance grants. Identical language was passed into law in the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. Mr. Frank now says he "had not read [the amendment] carefully" before backing it. He gutted the amendment on Thursday, claiming that the language Congress passed just last year is "a violation of the basic principles of due process."
A lot of money is at stake. In the stimulus bill passed by Congress, Acorn is eligible -- along with other activist groups -- to apply for $2 billion in funds to redevelop abandoned and foreclosed homes. Meanwhile, public records show that last spring the IRS filed three tax liens totaling almost $1 million against Acorn, most of which concerned employee withholding.
All of this infuriates Marcel Reid, who, along with seven other national Acorn board members, was removed last year after demanding an audit of the group's books. "Acorn has been hijacked by a power-hungry clique that has its own political and personal agendas," she told me. "We are fighting to take back the group."
Bertha Lewis, the head of Acorn, told me last year before their ouster that the "Acorn Eight" were "obsessed" and "confused." But Anita MonCrief, an Acorn whistleblower, says the problems run deep. Ms. MonCrief worked at Project Vote, an Acorn affiliate, in late 2007. She says its development director, Karen Gillette, told her she had direct contact with the Obama campaign and also told her to call Obama donors who had maxed out on donations to the candidate but who could contribute to Acorn. Project Vote calls her charges "absolutely false." (Ms. Gillette has declined comment.)
Acorn's relationship to the Obama campaign is a matter of public record. Last year, Citizens Consulting Inc., the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote efforts in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting them after reporters from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature.
Mr. Obama distanced himself from the group's scandals last year, saying "We don't need Acorn's help." Nevertheless, he got his start as a community organizer at Acorn's side. In 1992, he headed a registration effort for Project Vote, an Acorn partner at the time. In 1995, he represented Acorn in a key case upholding the new Motor Voter Act -- the very law whose mandated postcard registration system Acorn workers use to flood election offices with bogus registrations.
But Acorn's registration tricks may soon be unnecessary. Congressional Democrats are backing a bill to mandate a nationwide data base to automatically register driver's license holders or recipients of government benefits.
This "would create an engraved invitation for voter fraud," says Hans von Spakovsky, a former Federal Election Commission member, who points out that these lists are filled with felons and noncitizens who are ineligible to vote. Ironically, in light of its troubles with the law, Acorn was selected in March to assist the U.S. Census in reaching out to minority communities and recruiting census enumerators for the count next year.
As for the Nevada indictment, Acorn isn't worried. "We've had bad publicity before, and all it does is inform the community that we're here working for the community," Bonnie Greathouse, Acorn's head organizer in Nevada, assured the Las Vegas Review-Journal this week. "People always come forward to our defense. We're just community organizers, just like the president used to be."
Mr. Fund is a columnist for WSJ.com .
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Where would these workers even get the idea that it is ok to submit this nonsense in the first place? Whether its to ACORN HQ or the local election registrar, where would they even conjure up the idea to do this?
Where , indeed? If a canvasser gets paid by the registration, what would possess them to hand in as many registrations as possible, even if some of them are false? I can't come up with an obvious, staring-me-dead-in-the-face reason as to why they would do such a thing.
eta: that article you just posted really skews the facts. A lot of what is printed in it is just lies.
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Where , indeed? If a canvasser gets paid by the registration, what would possess them to hand in as many registrations as possible, even if some of them are false? I can't come up with an obvious, staring-me-dead-in-the-face reason as to why they would do such a thing.
eta: that article you just posted really skews the facts. A lot of what is printed in it is just lies.
Oh, the prosecutor was lying who brought a criminal action?
The election official was lying?
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Oh, the prosecutor was lying who brought a criminal action?
The election official was lying?
Why do you ever bother, these people only work for ACORN and represent ACORN, but it's always a isolated incident ::)
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Al, we debated this before. ACORN does receive federal grants and funds. Significant amounts of the federal funds they receive may be initially appropriated to another group but its well known the funds are transferred or trickle down to ACORN. The gov also asked groups including ACORN for assistance in the census. Thats inappropriate.
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Why do you ever bother, these people only work for ACORN and represent ACORN, but it's always a isolated incident ::)
Al said I posted an article with falsehoods.
I am asking him if the prosecutors, election offocials et al are all lying?
Al - give me a break - ACORN is an organized crime ring on to itself.
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Al, we debated this before. ACORN does receive federal grants and funds. Significant amounts of the federal funds they receive may be initially appropriated to another group but its well known the funds are transferred or trickle down to ACORN. The gov also asked groups including ACORN for assistance in the census. Thats inappropriate.
The gov asked 30,000 different groups to PROMOTE the census. since the 70s, people have been hesitant to be involved with it. ACORN is not getting money for that.
ACORN does not receive any federal funds. If they get hired by an organization that receives federal funds that is not them receiving "trickle down" funds. ::)
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Al said I posted an article with falsehoods.
I am asking him if the prosecutors, election offocials et al are all lying?
Al - give me a break - ACORN is an organized crime ring on to itself.
There are instances of some of the people in the article lying, but it's more of a case of the author taking things out of context and you not paying very close attention. There is way too much to sift through, and I know you're just going to willfully ignore it anyway, so I won't bother to get too detailed, though I'm tempted. But here's an example:
The stink is bad enough that some congressional Democrats have taken notice. At a March 19 hearing on election problems, Michigan Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, pressed New York Rep. Gerald Nadler, chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, to hold a hearing on Acorn. He called the charges against it "serious." Mr. Nadler agreed to consider the request.
Mr. Nadler's office now says there will be no hearing on Acorn because Mr. Conyers has changed his mind. Mr. Conyers's office released a statement on Monday saying that after reviewing "the complaints against Acorn, I have concluded that a hearing on this matter appears unwarranted at this time." A Democratic staffer told me he believes the House leadership put pressure on Mr. Conyers to back down. Mr. Conyers's office says it is "unaware" of any contacts with House leaders.
This is just asinine..
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Good grief. I heard a liberal on a show the other day talking about how Democrats need to distance themselves from ACORN. That was before this story broke.