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Title: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 10:56:00 AM
 ???

OK, 3333 and all the rightwing sources are quoting between 1 and 2 million.  Between 1 and 1.5 showed up at Obama's inaguration...

What's wrong with this pic? :D
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 11:54:33 AM
333386 claimed ABC had monster credibility when he told us 2 million.

Now we're hearing 60,000 people MAX?

Big difference here.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 13, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
333386 claimed ABC had monster credibility when he told us 2 million.

Now we're hearing 60,000 people MAX?
Big difference here.

Which means 20K at the very most.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 12:12:04 PM
Reports the "official" pics they were using on the blogs show a sunny day with lots of shadows.  yesterday, DC was overcast.

The pics they 'accidentally" showeed of the crowds may have been from the Obama inauguration.

I'm not sure a major network can make such a mistake...
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
Everyone that took pictures are uploading to flickr.  search 912dc on flickr.  That's 60,000 at best.  I have doubts about that.  Where they got this 1.5 to 2million I have no idea, what a bunch of liars.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
Their only defence for the 20x inflated number?


"We listened to the lib media we decry as inaccurate all day long*"


*even though we can't find proof they listed 2 mil as the number in attendance.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
I found a source on the 2 million :D

http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/12/9122009-americans-wake-up/

Here's a timelapse, 60,000 at best.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
Here's a shot of the *ahem* 2 million.

There are some seriously devoted people, and I do admire the way they're expressing their love for ths country.

But 2 million?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 13, 2009, 02:18:16 PM
Their only defence for the 20x inflated number?


"We listened to the lib media we decry as inaccurate all day long*"


*even though we can't find proof they listed 2 mil as the number in attendance.

Or maybe the old standby = "But FAUX said so...."  followed by the usual whining.

IF they even say anything at all.  Silence and avoiding the issue is the usual par for this course from that side.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 13, 2009, 02:26:46 PM
Or maybe the old standby = "But FAUX said so...."  followed by the usual whining.

IF they even say anything at all.  Silence and avoiding the issue is the usual par for this course from that side.

na..fox is actually saying "tens of thousands" and people are mad at that.

i havent heard them say million yet.

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: stormshadow on September 13, 2009, 06:17:25 PM
Here's a shot of the *ahem* 2 million.

There are some seriously devoted people, and I do admire the way they're expressing their love for ths country.

But 2 million?

I was there, the lawn was COMPLETELY filled from the capital building to the reflecting Pool.  Those pics look more like the Ron Paul revolution march lol
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 06:26:40 PM
I was there, the lawn was COMPLETELY filled from the capital building to the reflecting Pool.  Those pics look more like the Ron Paul revolution march lol

weird that the numbers go from 60k to 2 million.  huge discrepency there.

I'm sure with all the attention this issue is getting, both sides will do their best to plead or prove their case.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 06:41:18 PM
do the numbers really matter?

like somebody said earlier dispute the ideas

same with the town hall meetings the dems and libs just point to actions etc instead of the points and concerns being expressed.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 07:06:08 PM
do the numbers really matter?

yes, they do.  According to the right-wing folks.  The biggest story was "We got 2 million people here!!!!"

And it wasn't true.  So yeah, the organizers and the right-wing bloggers and pundits talked nonstop about the numbers.   The libs are simply proving the bragging points wrong.

The lesson here - organizers of events should really check their numbers before shouting a number like 2 million, which would be bigger than the O inauguration.  And FOX should know from the video, they're not looking at 2 million.  Instead, they just repeat it.

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 07:13:40 PM
yes, they do.  According to the right-wing folks.  The biggest story was "We got 2 million people here!!!!"

And it wasn't true.  So yeah, the organizers and the right-wing bloggers and pundits talked nonstop about the numbers.   The libs are simply proving the bragging points wrong.

The lesson here - organizers of events should really check their numbers before shouting a number like 2 million, which would be bigger than the O inauguration.  And FOX should know from the video, they're not looking at 2 million.  Instead, they just repeat it.
ok well they dont matter to me so why dont you speak on their ideas 240?

didnt 2nd say that fox had said thousands not millions?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 13, 2009, 07:31:29 PM
ok well they dont matter to me so why dont you speak on their ideas 240?
 


tones this thread isnt about the ideas of the march

its about distorting the numbers to make the side youre on look good

if obama made a campaign speech and they listed the numbers at 500k and all the lib talking heads were creaming their pants non stop, but then we find out that the number was pulled out of their urethra and it was more like 10k people. Wouldn't you be like "wtf, man?"

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
I was there, the lawn was COMPLETELY filled from the capital building to the reflecting Pool.  Those pics look more like the Ron Paul revolution march lol
those pics are from the same day uploaded by people who were there.  Even the clouds look the same.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 07:33:53 PM
do the numbers really matter?

like somebody said earlier dispute the ideas

same with the town hall meetings the dems and libs just point to actions etc instead of the points and concerns being expressed.
yea the numbers matter, 1.2 to 2 million is actually a huge protest.  60,000 for something promoted by the biggest name in news, not so much.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
yea the numbers matter, 1.2 to 2 million is actually a huge protest.  60,000 for something promoted by the biggest name in news, not so much.
does that make their ideas any less or more credible? of course not so why not address those?

same as the town hall meetings...more deflection
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
does that make their ideas any less or more credible? of course not so why not address those?

same as the town hall meetings...more deflection
you're actually changing the subject.  This was about the stated number and yea, let's say it was Howard Dean that had been the one to overstate the numbers for Obama that much and say every liberal blog picked it up and ran with it, to be quoted on every message board like this across the country, just like this was, the right would come unglued to correct those numbers.  If what you're saying is the only thing that matters, well a protest of 10,000 would be no less important than a protest of 1,000,000...  Is that what you're saying?  The difference is in the exclamation marks at the end of the ideas.  Yea, that matters.  and yea, the right would be all over correcting extra exclamation points placed behind a liberal protest.  So don't change the subject.

From what I've read, this was that ass from freedom works that overstated the numbers, not ABC.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
tones this thread isnt about the ideas of the march

its about distorting the numbers to make the side youre on look good

if obama made a campaign speech and they listed the numbers at 500k and all the lib talking heads were creaming their pants non stop, but then we find out that the number was pulled out of their urethra and it was more like 10k people. Wouldn't you be like "wtf, man?"

x 2.

Repubs lied about the numbers, and got caught.  it's that simple.  They claimed to have more than the O inauguration.  Pics show completely opposite.

Will they say "Hey, we botched the numbers, but our ideals are solid", I could respect that.  instead, we'll hear "nobody knows the numbers, the libs mislead us on the estimataion" and other blame games.


They bragged about the numbers.  
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
tones this thread isnt about the ideas of the march

its about distorting the numbers to make the side youre on look good

if obama made a campaign speech and they listed the numbers at 500k and all the lib talking heads were creaming their pants non stop, but then we find out that the number was pulled out of their urethra and it was more like 10k people. Wouldn't you be like "wtf, man?"
what conservative talking heads cited 2 million didnt you say yourself that fox said thousands not millions?

I agree if its exagerated as much as you guys say its ridiculous and absurd but still they have a legit bitch and nobody will address that just simply the numbers  ::)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 07:50:33 PM
you're actually changing the subject.  This was about the stated number and yea, let's say it was Howard Dean that had been the one to overstate the numbers for Obama that much and say every liberal blog picked it up and ran with it, to be quoted on every message board like this across the country, just like this was, the right would come unglued to correct those numbers.  If what you're saying is the only thing that matters, well a protest of 10,000 would be no less important than a protest of 1,000,000...  Is that what you're saying?  The difference is in the exclamation marks at the end of the ideas.  Yea, that matters.  and yea, the right would be all over correcting extra exclamation points placed behind a liberal protest.  So don't change the subject.

From what I've read, this was that ass from freedom works that overstated the numbers, not ABC.
Im not changing the subject hugo it was a tangent and logical avenue given the subject...

I agree that the exclamition point as you put it can add to the attention it doesnt however add or take away from the legitimacy of their ideas...
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
what conservative talking heads cited 2 million

malkin and the event organizers, for starters.


of course they have legit issues, but they made the issue "look how many americans came out" then exaggerated the number by 20.  Obama had 1.5 million for his inauguration.  imagine the FOX outrage if he multipled it by 20, and claimed 30 million ppl showed up :P
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 13, 2009, 07:51:47 PM
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/2673/slide_2673_37537_large.jpg)


(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/uclabballer38/eec35f9cbdf4adb81b635da99d32bab4099.gif?)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 07:54:13 PM
Im not changing the subject hugo it was a tangent and logical avenue given the subject...

I agree that the exclamition point as you put it can add to the attention it doesnt however add or take away from the legitimacy of their ideas...
so you would agree it's valid to correct vastly overstated numbers like we're doing.  thank you.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 07:58:23 PM
so you would agree it's valid to correct vastly overstated numbers like we're doing.  thank you.
as stated...
what conservative talking heads cited 2 million didnt you say yourself that fox said thousands not millions?

I agree if its exagerated as much as you guys say its ridiculous and absurd but still they have a legit bitch and nobody will address that just simply the numbers  ::)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
as stated...
who was attacking the ideas here?  This was about the numbers!
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:03:42 PM
who was attacking the ideas here?  This was about the numbers!
ok well address their actual ideas and points then

I could start another thread hugo but it will be crickets and you know it b/c the ppl in here bitching about this know they have legit points.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:05:48 PM
ok well address their actual ideas and points then

I could start another thread hugo but it will be crickets and you know it b/c the ppl in here bitching about this know they have legit points.
ok, well go start a thead about it.  it's not the topic here!!!
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:06:28 PM
ok, well go start a thead about it.  it's not the topic here!!!
LOL whats the point even you probably wouldnt post in the thread
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on September 13, 2009, 08:06:41 PM
Maybe that pic was taken earlier in the day?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 08:10:51 PM
there was some truthkeepers march in 1998.  a lot of people are saying the pics that were 'submitted' yesterday were actually from this event.  I have no idea what that march was, but if FOX or beck or others 'accidentally" pulled up some footage of an event that was 11 years old, and 'accidentally' ran that as current footage...

it'll be errily reminiscent of the 2008 campaign stop for mccain where they accidentally showed 2000 footage of him in a much more crowded speech - complete with mccain 2000 signs everywhere.

Just be honest with us, guys.  We see the repubs have lot of valid points.  when they exaggerage numbers - by a factor of 20 - to sound important, they lose relevance and sound like liars.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:12:30 PM
there was some truthkeepers march in 1998.  a lot of people are saying the pics that were 'submitted' yesterday were actually from this event.  I have no idea what that march was, but if FOX or beck or others 'accidentally" pulled up some footage of an event that was 11 years old, and 'accidentally' ran that as current footage...

it'll be errily reminiscent of the 2008 campaign stop for mccain where they accidentally showed 2000 footage of him in a much more crowded speech - complete with mccain 2000 signs everywhere.

Just be honest with us, guys.  We see the repubs have lot of valid points.  when they exaggerage numbers - by a factor of 20 - to sound important, they lose relevance and sound like liars.
did fox say millions 240?

from what 2nd says they said thousands
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:13:23 PM
LOL whats the point even you probably wouldnt post in the thread
are you saying no topic are started about these ideas you're talking about?  haha, you're freaking kidding me!!!

and

are you saying i can't start this thread without addressing their ideas?.. WHAT?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 08:14:25 PM
did fox say millions 240?

So malkin and the event organizers are wrong, but fox is correct.  Are you saying this, tony?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:15:11 PM
did fox say millions 240?

from what 2nd says they said thousands
I HEARD glenn did, isn't he with fox?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:15:43 PM
are you saying no topic are started about these ideas you're talking about?  haha, you're freaking kidding me!!!

and

are you saying i can't start this thread without addressing their ideas?.. WHAT?
and they all get crickets hugo you know it and so does everyone else if they didnt ppl would address them in this thread including yourself...

iono what your talking about in the 2nd comment  ???
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:16:22 PM
I HEARD glenn did, isn't he with fox?
yes he is but he doesnt have a show on the weekend so was it on his radio show?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 08:17:09 PM
yes he is but he doesnt have a show on the weekend so was it on his radio show?

tony, please get on the record.

Glen beck, malkin, and the event organizers were all giving numbers up to 20X bigger than actual attendance. 

True or false?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
So malkin and the event organizers are wrong, but fox is correct.  Are you saying this, tony?
malkin doesnt work for fox and either do the event organizers

did they even say these things on fox it was a question 240 i dont know

i heard 2nd say fox said thousands and you say different so please give some proof

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
tony, please get on the record.

Glen beck, malkin, and the event organizers were all giving numbers up to 20X bigger than actual attendance. 

True or false?
I have no clue ill take your word for it since i have no real stake in this debate

did fox say it though

again 2nd coming said fox was saying attendance in the thousands not millions
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
and they all get crickets hugo  you know it and so does everyone else if they didnt ppl would address them in this thread including yourself...

iono what your talking about in the 2nd comment  ???
oh bs and you know it.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:21:19 PM
oh bs and you know it.
ill try and get one up tomorrow i got a lot of shit coming up this week so we will see

but ill start one about govt spending and taxation and see if you guys post in it and if so ill bet it turns into a rep bashing thread...garuntee it
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
ill try and get one up tomorrow i got a lot of shit coming up this week so we will see

but ill start one about govt spending and taxation and see if you guys post in it and if so ill bet it turns into a rep bashing thread...garuntee it
what the hell are you talking about?  3333 is only one example of a person here who airs many of the same views and gets plenty of conversation!!!  and he's not the only one!
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 08:24:19 PM
today's a sunday so we're not gonna see too much on this topic.

i'm guessing tomorrow, BOTH sides do their best on this issue.  The left will drive home the silly egaggeration of 20x that everyone ran with, despite visul evidence this was nothing near the size of the obama inauguration (1.5 mil people).

And on the right, we'll see "ABC lied to us", and all that.  Can they prove ABC ever printed that?  It will be interesting.  We should have seen it by now.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:25:34 PM
yes he is but he doesnt have a show on the weekend so was it on his radio show?
i don't know where it came from, maybe fox talked to him
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
today's a sunday so we're not gonna see too much on this topic.

i'm guessing tomorrow, BOTH sides do their best on this issue.  The left will drive home the silly egaggeration of 20x that everyone ran with, despite visul evidence this was nothing near the size of the obama inauguration (1.5 mil people).

And on the right, we'll see "ABC lied to us", and all that.  Can they prove ABC ever printed that?  It will be interesting.  We should have seen it by now.
wait wait wait....did fox say millions or not?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
looks like he was on

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 13, 2009, 08:33:25 PM
wait wait wait....did fox say millions or not?

I have no clue.  Who the F watched FOX on saturday? lol

I wanted you to first admit Beck, malkin and the organizers were liars.  By tomorrow, we'll have any "1.5 mil or 2 mil" quotes from FOX on youtube, i'm sure.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 08:36:36 PM
I have no clue.  Who the F watched FOX on saturday? lol

I wanted you to first admit Beck, malkin and the organizers were liars.  By tomorrow, we'll have any "1.5 mil or 2 mil" quotes from FOX on youtube, i'm sure.
LOL youve been spouting that fox said this for 2 pages now  ::) you fuking dousche bag
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
LOL youve been spouting that fox said this for 2 pages now  ::) you fuking dousche bag
what matters here, and what needs corrected is that the numbers were overstated by freedomworks at the protest where they said abc reported the number which nobody can prove ever happened.  the numbers then went out to all the blogs and on to message boards everywhere.  who cares if malkin said it.  it's bad enough without that.  the lie has been propagated and gone viral, damage done starting with a rightwing org at the protest.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 09:03:28 PM
what matters here, and what needs corrected is that the numbers were overstated by freedomworks at the protest where they said abc reported the number which nobody can prove ever happened.  the numbers then went out to all the blogs and on to message boards everywhere.  who cares if malkin said it.  it's bad enough without that.  the lie has been propagated and gone viral, damage done starting with a rightwing org at the protest.
agreed and in that same vein dousche bags in those same message boards etc. claiming Fox and others lied and said so need to retract their statments (240)

if you want to hold one accountable you need to hold all accountable...
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 09:09:10 PM
agreed and in that same vein dousche bags in those same message boards etc. claiming Fox and others lied and said so need to retract their statments (240)

if you want to hold one accountable you need to hold all accountable...
lets see what happens tomorrow.  I'm thinking it might be valid after we see hannity, bill and glenn.  I'm thinking that silly morning show will call it over a million too... lol
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 09:15:08 PM
lets see what happens tomorrow.  I'm thinking it might be valid after we see hannity, bill and glenn.  I'm thinking that silly morning show will call it over a million too... lol
i dont watch glenn or hannity i havent been home for oreilly lately but the morning show is usually pretty spot on and if not they retract or amend their statements.

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 09:23:50 PM
right here.  they lied.  he says the mall was completely full.  no pictures of the mall taken at this time show it was even close to full.

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 09:29:46 PM
lol it also says 10 of thousands hahahaha no where near a million if you ask me  ::)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
washington mall full is about 1.4 million.  So there's an accomplice from Fox on the day.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 09:35:01 PM
washington mall full is about 1.4 million.  So there's an accomplice from Fox on the day.
lol "full" is a subjective term hugo even you should know this....

the ticker at the bottom CLEARLY SAYS 10's OF THOUSANDS....
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 09:38:15 PM
lol it also says 10 of thousands hahahaha no where near a million if you ask me  ::)
he pointed to the crowd in front of him and said "that sea of people" goes back 1 mile, all the way.  So he said both, but he still stated the mall was full which gives viewers the illusion that it looked like it did on Obama's inauguration.  We all know what those numbers were stated to be.  So he lied and told the truth, doesn't make his lie right does it?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
he pointed to the crowd in front of him and said "that sea of people" goes back 1 mile, all the way.  So he said both, but he still stated the mall was full which gives viewers the illusion that it looked like it did on Obama's inauguration.  We all know what those numbers were stated to be.  So he lied and told the truth, doesn't make his lie right does it?
hahahah what your basing your shit off is one persons opinion when the ticker clearly states 10's of thousands of ppl

youre reaching really hard here huggy bear...

opinions dont equate to they said millions of ppl when they clearly said 10's of thousands  ::)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 13, 2009, 09:41:39 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3525/3217283223_917f6cc828_o.jpg)

this is 1.5m

i hiiiiighly doubt the number was 2m.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 09:45:35 PM
hahahah what your basing your shit off is one persons opinion when the ticker clearly states 10's of thousands of ppl

youre reaching really hard here huggy bear...

opinions dont equate to they said millions of ppl when they clearly said 10's of thousands  ::)
look at that pic posted by 2nd coming and go look at all the picks taken of the mall on 9/12 and tell me that's not a serious lie?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 09:58:35 PM
seeing as they never said 1.5 or 2 million as of right now you guys are pissing in the wind

they said 10's of thousands as the number

the other laugable bull shit you have is nothing more then opinions they stated the number at 10's of thousands dispute that fact...
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 2ND COMING on September 13, 2009, 10:04:23 PM
did you not see what the main head from freedomworks had said?

im talking about the original numbers spoon fed to us

not what fox said
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
seeing as they never said 1.5 or 2 million as of right now you guys are pissing in the wind

they said 10's of thousands as the number

the other laughable bull shit you have is nothing more then opinions they stated the number at 10's of thousands dispute that fact...
full mall is laughable
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
did you not see what the main head from freedomworks had said?

im talking about the original numbers spoon fed to us

not what fox said
i think we already agreed on that point
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 10:25:59 PM
did you not see what the main head from freedomworks had said?

im talking about the original numbers spoon fed to us

not what fox said
no but i agree if he was wrong he should amend his statement to recognize that fact

same as 240 et al in this thread that bashed fox for saying millions

when they clearly stated 10's of thousands per hugo's clip
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
no but i agree if he was wrong he should amend his statement to recognize that fact

same as 240 et al in this thread that bashed fox for saying millions

when they clearly stated 10's of thousands per hugo's clip
they clearly stated the mall was full :D
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 10:27:57 PM
i think we already agreed on that point
again huggy bear "full" is a subjective term to him it could have seemed quite full to others not so much

whats not subjective is the 10's of thousands that they ran there is no way to misconstrue that its a definitive statement and one that puts the kabosh on your views as they pertain to fox at this moment...
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 10:29:34 PM
they clearly stated the mall was full :D
again huggy bear "full" is a subjective term to him it could have seemed quite full to others not so much

whats not subjective is the 10's of thousands that they ran there is no way to misconstrue that its a definitive statement and one that puts the kabosh on your views as they pertain to fox at this moment...
;)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 13, 2009, 10:31:02 PM
Is this a correct measure?

(http://moderateinthemiddle.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/usahowtojudgecrowdsize.jpg?w=430&h=275)


(http://moderateinthemiddle.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/msnbc-screep-cap-of-912-march.jpg?)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
;)
I agree with you, Fox saying the mall was full is very misleading. ;D
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: tonymctones on September 13, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
I agree with you, Fox saying the mall was full is very misleading. ;D
and them saying 10's of thousands was what?  ::)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 13, 2009, 10:57:41 PM
and them saying 10's of thousands was what?  ::)
full mall?  hahahhahahahah
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 14, 2009, 02:05:15 AM
i think the women's march in 04 was probably way bigger than this one:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tattingstar2/421544461/

and at least they had the brains to get an arial shot:

http://img.getactivehub.com/act2/custom_images/ppil/mall_from_monument.jpg
bigger shot:
http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1182490_4,00.jpg

I mean what good does it do to make your point in numbers when nobody knows how many showed up. :-\  Stupid teabaggers, that's what ya get for letting Glenn Beck and a corporate interest group be your leaders ::)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 14, 2009, 04:33:12 AM
Here's Fox's "sea of people" ::)

click to enlarge:

(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=31416_protest.jpg) (http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=31416_protest.jpg)
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 05:36:15 AM
33 has been posting, but avoiding this thread.  Odd.

FOX said the mall was full (1.4 mil).  that was a lie.  End thread.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 14, 2009, 05:38:41 AM
33 has been posting, but avoiding this thread.  Odd.

FOX said the mall was full (1.4 mil).  that was a lie.  End thread.

Avoiding what?  I dont know what the real number is.  It was higher than 70,000 but less than 2 mill as was first posted. 

Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 05:53:27 AM
Avoiding what?  I dont know what the real number is.  It was higher than 70,000 but less than 2 mill as was first posted. 

Did you change the thread title? 
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 14, 2009, 05:54:36 AM
Did you change the thread title? 

No, I dont do that.  Until more info comes out, there is no point debating this.  It seems the number is between 70,000 and abount 750k.  I have no idea.   
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 06:01:36 AM
It seems the number is between 70,000 and abount 750k.  I have no idea.   

cool, I appreciate your honesty on this one.  I'm sure it was higher than 70k. 

Do you think it was irresponsible for the event organizer to scream "2 million!" from his tweet about the event, when simple eyesight proves otherwise?

Do you find it odd that the event organizer is now unable to provide any proof ABC reported that?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 14, 2009, 06:05:48 AM
cool, I appreciate your honesty on this one.  I'm sure it was higher than 70k. 

Do you think it was irresponsible for the event organizer to scream "2 million!" from his tweet about the event, when simple eyesight proves otherwise?

Do you find it odd that the event organizer is now unable to provide any proof ABC reported that?

Of course, but this is nothing new.  Every group does this stuff. 

Either way, I am glad that people are organizing a protest to the out of control govt we have.  Especially, since it is mostly middle class working people instead of the rent-a-mob types at the sharpton protests. 
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 06:16:37 AM
Of course, but this is nothing new.  Every group does this stuff. 

Either way, I am glad that people are organizing a protest to the out of control govt we have.  Especially, since it is mostly middle class working people instead of the rent-a-mob types at the sharpton protests. 

yeah, i am happy to see the repubs finally coming together.  I don't like the fact the biggest story is the major 2-million number.  The organizer should have just tweeted about the message, not tried to make headlines with numbers larger than obama's inauguration - and numbers that were very easily proven to be a lie.

But I'm sure he was caught up in the moment, and thought his exaggeration was cool. 
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 14, 2009, 06:31:23 AM
yeah, i am happy to see the repubs finally coming together.  I don't like the fact the biggest story is the major 2-million number.  The organizer should have just tweeted about the message, not tried to make headlines with numbers larger than obama's inauguration - and numbers that were very easily proven to be a lie.

But I'm sure he was caught up in the moment, and thought his exaggeration was cool. 
I think they're mostly independents and libertarians.  Fox is probably doing all this to convert them over a year or so.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: BM OUT on September 14, 2009, 06:36:20 AM
This is such bullshit.I didnt hear ONE person claim 2 million.The largest number I heard was 200,000.Im not sure where this number came from.

However,to try to compare it to Obamas inageration is stupid.He was the first black president,why would anyone expect a march to draw like that?

I tell you this though.The next day they had a pro health care march.Anyone want to compare the crowds at those events.Or the crowds at ANY cindi Sheehan event?
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hedgehog on September 14, 2009, 06:41:47 AM
Political activism and awareness seems to grow. That's a very good thing.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 06:42:19 AM
This is such bullshit.I didnt hear ONE person claim 2 million.

It was on the event organizer's tweetir page, which was being followed by many bloggers, including malkin.

Malkin even said he posted it "in error".

So it wasn't just 'one' person - it was the chief organizer and mouthpiece for the entire event, using his tweetir to make official announcements.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: BM OUT on September 14, 2009, 06:44:32 AM
It was on the event organizer's tweetir page, which was being followed by many bloggers, including malkin.

Malkin even said he posted it "in error".

So it wasn't just 'one' person - it was the chief organizer and mouthpiece for the entire event, using his tweetir to make official announcements.

Wow,the mouthpiece for the event exagerating the number of people at the event.Who would have guessed that?Thats an outrage.I bet its never ever happened before that an event organiser exagerated the success of his event.Its a first,its HUGE NEWs!!What a scandal!!!We need an investigation!!!
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 06:47:37 AM
Wow,the mouthpiece for the event exagerating the number of people at the event.Who would have guessed that?Thats an outrage.I bet its never ever happened before that an event organiser exagerated the success of his event.Its a first,its HUGE NEWs!!What a scandal!!!We need an investigation!!!

Imagine if Obama had walked to the microphone on jan 20th and thanked 30 million people for showing up to cheer him on.  You'd be livid.

That would be the same x20 exxageration this event organizer used.  And for you to excuse such a huge lie, that's pretty sad. 
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on September 14, 2009, 06:51:11 AM
This is such bullshit.I didnt hear ONE person claim 2 million.The
except for one of the major event promotors, freedomworks... That's where it came from at the rally, then onto all the blogs then onto message boards, newsletters etc from there...  Even 3333 posted a story that got 2 million through this grape vine...
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2009, 06:51:20 AM
Imagine if Obama had walked to the microphone on jan 20th and thanked 30 million people for showing up to cheer him on.  You'd be livid.

That would be the same x20 exxageration this event organizer used.  And for you to excuse such a huge lie, that's pretty sad. 

Excuses are only necessary for when it's THEIR side doing the lying.  Otherwise, it's a crime.  
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on September 14, 2009, 08:12:59 AM


However,to try to compare it to Obamas inageration is stupid.He was the first black president,why would anyone expect a march to draw like that?

I tell you this though.The next day they had a pro health care march.Anyone want to compare the crowds at those events.

I agree with this. Comparring a protest to the draw that the first black President in history would collect is just down right stupid.

 As far as actual protests are concerned this was a very respectable turn out, although  I have to say I am dissappointed that it was highjacked by the Ron Paul movement in which the crowd was much more informed on the issues.
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 14, 2009, 08:40:11 AM
I agree with this. Comparring a protest to the draw that the first black President in history would collect is just down right stupid.


That was not what was being compared.  It was not the events for the compairsion, it was the NUMBER of people there.

And based on the number that showed up there - the REAL number - if you wanted to compare it to a sizeable event, it would be easier to compare it to something like, oh say... a Gay Pride March than it would be for Obama's inauguration. 
Title: Re: ahhh, WTF, was the 9/12 crowd photoshoped in or what?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2009, 09:01:15 AM
I agree with this. Comparring a protest to the draw that the first black President in history would collect is just down right stupid.

The organizer did just that - and more.

Obama had 1.5 mil people.  This man claimed to have 2 million.

He claimed to have more ppl there than Obama.