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a complete fraud, not even one of the 10 best of the 202 class
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a complete fraud, not even one of the 10 best of the 202 class
I agree. It seems kind of odd that he managed to attain *pro* status and glitz the cover of flex, with articles on him within (again, naturally written in perfect English, surprising as he sounds like a retard in 'real life.')
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Awful physique... Hot wife. Nice guy, though...
Chick denies politics in pro bodybuilding but if Putnam winning a Pro Card is't politics at it's ugliest then I don't know what is.
- Block.
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Awful physique... Hot wife. Nice guy, though...
Chick denies politics in pro bodybuilding but if Putnam winning a Pro Card is't politics at it's ugliest then I don't know what is.
- Block.
I was at the nationals when he won his pro card. Peter had a lot of precontest hype comming in, got a buzz going around him , showed up in good shape and won his class.
That is just how it rolls...
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Awful physique... Hot wife. Nice guy, though...
Chick denies politics in pro bodybuilding but if Putnam winning a Pro Card is't politics at it's ugliest then I don't know what is.
- Block.
Lost to Chaney in 07, Lost to Dixon in 08, won his class and STILL didnt get his card at the USA....every show was alledgedly "his", and "politics"....guess it only applies when they finally win, right?
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Dude has no back, His wife is hot though.
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?? if you like stick insect, gargoyle looking women, yes.
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Lost to Chaney in 07, Lost to Dixon in 08, won his class and STILL didnt get his card at the USA....every show was alledgedly "his", and "politics"....guess it only applies when they finally win, right?
How many times he lost is completely irrelevent. It's the fact that he won a pro-card at all that's the issue.
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(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/putnam4.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298048.0;attach=339203;image)
pro? hmmmm. lets have a nice picture of his wife.. I remember seeing a pic once (her body).. I forget.
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Hard to get a word in edgewise (Better than being dull) but all in all Peter is a nice guy, and his wife is very humble. I think he can do some damage IF he can pick up the tempo and really bring his best. IMO should have had his pro card back in 07' .. I hope the best for both of them.
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/results/2009jacksonville202_putnam.jpg)
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/results/2008jacksonvilleprofigure_paxsonputnam1.jpg)
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Ok, I'll play...
If it's 'politics', what's the angle?
Other than Peter (and his family), who stands to benefit from his status as a pro? What sort of 'extras' are included that would make it worthwhile to create a conspiracy to elevate his stature prematurely or completely without merit?
I think the guy is totally down-to-earth and is deserving of the success that has come his way. Does it take good luck and timing? Absolutely, but the same applies to everyone else out there, too.
But, I'm willing to listen. If there's a conspiracy in place, who is involved and why?
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How many times he lost is completely irrelevent. It's the fact that he won a pro-card at all that's the issue.
It's irrelevent? Some fool is claiming politics are the reason, but when brought to attention the fact that every year "politics" were supposed to guarantee a pro card....he lost.
Never heard anyone say he deserved 10th, when he took 2nd, or won his class....
good logic
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It's irrelevent? Some fool is claiming politics are the reason, but when brought to attention the fact that every year "politics" were supposed to guarantee a pro card....he lost.
Never heard anyone say he deserved 10th, when he took 2nd, or won his class....
good logic
If rusty placed 8th at the masters world, you deserved 9th. Close enough
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Putnum is probably the best example of what's good in bodybuilding today. A nice guy, well grounded, beautiful wife and a good physique.
Politics has nothing to do with this.
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putnam couldnt win the excalibur let alone a pro card (if the judging is fair)
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This thread is pointless without more pics of his wife...
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Peter is the future of the 202.
You're basically looking at a mini Jay cutler.
It's unfair that everyone rags on his back (which is damn big when you see it in person)
Just a shame that he's a little old (35) to make those improvements
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If it's 'politics', what's the angle?
Other than Peter (and his family), who stands to benefit from his status as a pro? What sort of 'extras' are included that would make it worthwhile to create a conspiracy to elevate his stature prematurely or completely without merit?
I think the guy is totally down-to-earth and is deserving of the success that has come his way. Does it take good luck and timing? Absolutely, but the same applies to everyone else out there, too.
But, I'm willing to listen. If there's a conspiracy in place, who is involved and why?
Look, I love Peter like a brother and Jessica like a third cousin (that's legal, right?) but Peter signed with AMI/Weider BEFORE he had a Pro Card. Now if you know anything about AMI/Weider, you know that they rarely, if EVER, sign anyone before they turn Pro. Why? Because, if judged fairly, there's no guarantee that a particularly bodybuilder EVER ascends to Pro Level. (See Matt Mendenhall).
So when Peter signed with AMI/Weider, it was really just a sure sign to betting men like myself and Block, that Putnam would secure his Pro card very, very shortly. After all, why pay an amateur when you can get them for free (See Muscletech).
It's not like Blechman at MD was salivating over Peter. He'd much rather have Jeff (Sch)Long!
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the guy just doesn't have a pro physique
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Look, I love Peter like a brother and Jessica like a third cousin (that's legal, right?) but Peter signed with AMI/Weider BEFORE he had a Pro Card. Now if you know anything about AMI/Weider, you know that they rarely, if EVER, sign anyone before they turn Pro. Why? Because, if judged fairly, there's no guarantee that a particularly bodybuilder EVER ascends to Pro Level. (See Matt Mendenhall).
So when Peter signed with AMI/Weider, it was really just a sure sign to betting men like myself and Block, that Putnam would secure his Pro card very, very shortly. After all, why pay an amateur when you can get them for free (See Muscletech).
It's not like Blechman at MD was salivating over Peter. He'd much rather have Jeff (Sch)Long!
There are a few reasons why they signed him as an amateur...one of which was they took an educated guess that he would get a pro card...nothing too crazy there.
Other times they took a gamble and lost (see: Federov)
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the guy just doesn't have a pro physique
is that photoshopped?
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Look, I love Peter like a brother and Jessica like a third cousin (that's legal, right?) but Peter signed with AMI/Weider BEFORE he had a Pro Card. Now if you know anything about AMI/Weider, you know that they rarely, if EVER, sign anyone before they turn Pro. Why? Because, if judged fairly, there's no guarantee that a particularly bodybuilder EVER ascends to Pro Level. (See Matt Mendenhall).
So when Peter signed with AMI/Weider, it was really just a sure sign to betting men like myself and Block, that Putnam would secure his Pro card very, very shortly. After all, why pay an amateur when you can get them for free (See Muscletech).
It's not like Blechman at MD was salivating over Peter. He'd much rather have Jeff (Sch)Long!
Ok, he signed with Weider before turning pro.
So, if Weider/AMI are supposed to benefit, how will that happen given that all the naysayers posting here are claiming his physique is sub-par? That's the question. IF there was a conspiracy to boost him up before he was ready, how does the Weider/AMI group benefit from that?
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Ok, he signed with Weider before turning pro.
So, if Weider/AMI are supposed to benefit, how will that happen given that all the naysayers posting here are claiming his physique is sub-par? That's the question. IF there was a conspiracy to boost him up before he was ready, how does the Weider/AMI group benefit from that?
They benefit by having someone's idea of a Golden Boy EXCLUSIVELY grace their covers and magazines.
The same way MD stands to benefit if their Golden Boy BRANDEN RAY were to win his Pro Card. Except Branden doesn't have blonde hair. Or Blue Eyes. Or a smokin' hot wife. Or a contract with AMI/Weider. But hey, he's still got that job at CNN! Right? Oh...
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I don't get the whole AMI/media fascination with Peter Putnam. The whole eye thing is disconcerting. Comparatively, his physique is mediocre and by my best guess he'll be a middle-of-the-pack pro in the 202 and unders and out of the top 10 in any decent open lineup. He has structural issues and a relatively weak back. At his age he probably has only a few years to make some radical, radical improvements. It's been done before, but that's quite rare. My only thinking to him getting a contract and getting so much coverage is because his wife is extremely marketable and they seem to come as a package deal more or less.
Of course I'm speaking "professionally" with all of this, the public figure aspect, not the personal aspect. I'm sure he's a great guy outside of my strictly professional aspects critique.
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is that photoshopped?
it's not photoshopped, that's from the 08 Nationals when he "won" his pro card
pathetic
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Ok, I'll play...
If it's 'politics', what's the angle?
Other than Peter (and his family), who stands to benefit from his status as a pro? What sort of 'extras' are included that would make it worthwhile to create a conspiracy to elevate his stature prematurely or completely without merit?
I think the guy is totally down-to-earth and is deserving of the success that has come his way. Does it take good luck and timing? Absolutely, but the same applies to everyone else out there, too.
But, I'm willing to listen. If there's a conspiracy in place, who is involved and why?
Very logical post. Although I suppose when there's hundreds thousands of dollars at stake, buying off judges and fixing contests isn't too far fetched a possibility.
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There are a few reasons why they signed him as an amateur...one of which was they took an educated guess that he would get a pro card...nothing too crazy there.
Other times they took a gamble and lost (see: Federov)
I guess this makes sense...until you apply logic, which would dictate that there were not only ten other better amateur bodybuilders more likely to win their Pro Card, there were also at least ten FAR better PRO BODYBUILDERS such as Troy Alves, Mark Dugdale and Lee Priest (to name just three) that were without a publishing contract at the time Putnam was signed.
But again, if AMI/Weider was looking for the best, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, amateur bodybuilder without facial tattoos, bibles, or back width, they definitely got the right guy!
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I guess this makes sense...until you apply logic, which would dictate that there were not only ten other better amateur bodybuilders more likely to win their Pro Card, there were also at least ten FAR better PRO BODYBUILDERS such as Troy Alves, Mark Dugdale and Lee Priest (to name just three) that were without a publishing contract at the time Putnam was signed.
But again, if AMI/Weider was looking for the best, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, amateur bodybuilder without facial tattoos, bibles, or back width, they definitely got the right guy!
Peter loves him some jeebus. . .
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I guess this makes sense...until you apply logic, which would dictate that there were not only ten other better amateur bodybuilders more likely to win their Pro Card, there were also at least ten FAR better PRO BODYBUILDERS such as Troy Alves, Mark Dugdale and Lee Priest (to name just three) that were without a publishing contract at the time Putnam was signed.
But again, if AMI/Weider was looking for the best, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, amateur bodybuilder without facial tattoos, bibles, or back width, they definitely got the right guy!
10 others? OK, if you say so...
As I said...it was ONE of the reasons.
Troy and Mark were both on board at AMI at the time, Priest......no explanation necessary.
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Peter Putnam has a back of a thirteen year old
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10 others? OK, if you say so...
As I said...it was ONE of the reasons.
Troy and Mark were both on board at AMI at the time, Priest......no explanation necessary.
So you're saying that AMI's decision to DROP ALVES and DUGDALE while KEEPING a still-amateur PUTNAM was because they were HOPING Putnam would eventually win his Pro Card without any inkling or 'heads up' that it would happen? Uhh...okay.
Easy to see how dumping two established Pros with good physiques and reputations for a far lesser amateur bodybuilder makes sense...not.
But indulge us...tell us some of the OTHER reasons...
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Its all for the money, because he is a young nice looking guy that will look good on the mag covers, just another way for the IFBB give the others a nice shaft.
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So you're saying that AMI's decision to DROP ALVES and DUGDALE while KEEPING a still-amateur PUTNAM was because they were HOPING Putnam would eventually win his Pro Card without any inkling or 'heads up' that it would happen? Uhh...okay.
Easy to see how dumping two established Pros with good physiques and reputations for a far lesser amateur bodybuilder makes sense...not.
But indulge us...tell us some of the OTHER reasons...
One had nothing to do with the other, and everyone under contract is kept/ not kept based on many factors....none of which have anything to do with whether or not a amateur is on board...
You're reaching......far
That said, they did have an "inkling" that he would turn pro...it's called his contest history. It's YOU that seems to think the decision to sign Peter was based SOLEY on him turning pro....Weider/ AMI has signed many amatur athletes in the past, some of which didnt even compete much, let alone for a pro card.
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HE also has a good build that appeals to the masses it could be toned down for m/f,then flex a more hardcore and in contest diet mode for different reader.and thats one aspect,his personality seems pretty cool.
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Putnum is probably the best example of what's good in bodybuilding today. A nice guy, well grounded, beautiful wife and a good physique.
AMI was gambling, like any magazine does, that the person they sign will rise up in the rankings. Peter looked good, but not great, and was blasted in his IFBB pro debuts.
Now the question is whether or not he can do any damage in the 202lb Class!
He needs to take a whole year off, and regroup!
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Question for Chick, do you think Peter should have won the 2008 show at which he turned pro?
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Question for Chick, do you think Peter should have won the 2008 show at which he turned pro?
Yes...barley.
I actually thought he should have won the show before that one, when he lost..
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Yes...barley.
I actually thought he should have won the dhow before that one when he lost..
Maybe a special invite to a pro card?
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Yes...barey.
I actually thought he should have won the dhow before that one when he lost..
Yah he was shredded in that show and should have won
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Maybe a special invite to a pro card?
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I guess this makes sense...until you apply logic, which would dictate that there were not only ten other better amateur bodybuilders more likely to win their Pro Card, there were also at least ten FAR better PRO BODYBUILDERS such as Troy Alves, Mark Dugdale and Lee Priest (to name just three) that were without a publishing contract at the time Putnam was signed.
But again, if AMI/Weider was looking for the best, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, amateur bodybuilder without facial tattoos, bibles, or back width, they definitely got the right guy!
AMI has every right to sign whomever they choose, for whatever reason. Ultimately, the chips will fall where they may, and it will be determined whether it is a smart business decision or not.
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The only thing I like about Putznum is the girl next to him.
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They benefit by having someone's idea of a Golden Boy EXCLUSIVELY grace their covers and magazines.
The same way MD stands to benefit if their Golden Boy BRANDEN RAY were to win his Pro Card. Except Branden doesn't have blonde hair. Or Blue Eyes. Or a smokin' hot wife. Or a contract with AMI/Weider. But hey, he's still got that job at CNN! Right? Oh...
C'mon, man. I love a good backroom deal as much as the next guy, but do readers believe that all it takes is a good (not 'great', according to the peanut gallery) physique, blonde hair/blue eyes, and a hot wife to be propped up as a star?
Surely there are other very good bodybuilders with blonde hair, blue eyes, and hot wives who could appear on the covers of the other magazines, contract or no contract.
Do I think some bodybuilders have been 'overpromoted' by certain companies for reasons I couldn't understand? Yeah, but that's what business is about. A company makes an investment in something or someone and then does whatever it can to get a return on that. I guess I'm just not seeing the overpromotion of Putnam. So, he and his wife had a cover...ok. What was the problem with that? He's a Weider competitor and they put one of their guys on the cover of their mag. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
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Very logical post. Although I suppose when there's hundreds thousands of dollars at stake, buying off judges and fixing contests isn't too far fetched a possibility.
So, are you arguing that his placings have been influenced more by his affiliations than by his onstage performance?
And if so, how did that benefit the 'affiliations'?
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C'mon, man. I love a good backroom deal as much as the next guy, but do readers believe that all it takes is a good (not 'great', according to the peanut gallery) physique, blonde hair/blue eyes, and a hot wife to be propped up as a star?
Surely there are other very good bodybuilders with blonde hair, blue eyes, and hot wives who could appear on the covers of the other magazines, contract or no contract.
Do I think some bodybuilders have been 'overpromoted' by certain companies for reasons I couldn't understand? Yeah, but that's what business is about. A company makes an investment in something or someone and then does whatever it can to get a return on that. I guess I'm just not seeing the overpromotion of Putnam. So, he and his wife had a cover...ok. What was the problem with that? He's a Weider competitor and they put one of their guys on the cover of their mag. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Your actually using logic, Tre....it's lost on the ignorant
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So, are you arguing that his placings have been influenced more by his affiliations than by his onstage performance?
No, I was being sarcastic with the second sentence. I am with you - I don't think contests are fixed. And even though Ed says they are doing it so Putnam will grace the mag covers exclusively, how many covers can he do in one year and even if he does, what kind of difference is it going to make? Sales aren't going to double or triple. If it will make a difference, it certainly won't be enough to warrant buying off a whole judging panel and risking exposure from displeased individuals later on, which would lead to a real scandal.
Peter isn't one of the more impressive pros, but he was at the right place at the right time and was better that day than those whom he competed against. Which is why he won.
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Another Porter Cottrell!!!
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Sorry I forgot he already got the special invite...
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Another Porter Cottrell!!!
that's an insult to Mr. Cottrell. ;D
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porter had a pretty good physique,,,
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porter had a pretty good physique,,,
PRETTY GOOD HE WON 3 PRO SHOWS.and place in the mr o top 5,dude has great build.
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PRETTY GOOD HE WON 3 PRO SHOWS.and place in the mr o top 5,dude has great build.
yap.... one of the high classB bbers of the 90s
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Frankly, Peter Putnam attaining *pro* status in nothing sort of an insult.
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Nobody hates Putnam. Sure, he's short, gay, self-centered, delusional, short, overly metrosexual, hypocritical, short, annoying and trains like a girl, but that's no reason to hate the little guy.
The problem is that his physique just isn't that good, and no way near deserving of the attention he gets.
It would be like Kyle Orton getting as much attention as Tom Brady. It's insulting to everyone.
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C'mon, man. I love a good backroom deal as much as the next guy, but do readers believe that all it takes is a good (not 'great', according to the peanut gallery) physique, blonde hair/blue eyes, and a hot wife to be propped up as a star?
Jessica Paxson Putman can stand on her own, and she is destined, maybe, for a top 7 placing at the Figure Olympia this year (in my opinion). She has her own contracts with AMI and Optimum Nutrition, just won another show, and has done well.
Peter Putman started well, everyone more in the mainstream liking his look, and had a Met-Rx contract, and a nice one at that. Now he moved on to Champion Nutrition, and between that time, picked up an AMI contract. Not bad - good business moves and decisions.
Winning a contest doesnt mean an automatic contract - you are a business. You need to market yourself, show whoever wants to give you a contract that you are worth it, and a good business decision. Awareness of the brand, what you can give to the brand, whether it is a magazine, supplement advertising, or whatever.
The problem is that his physique just isn't that good, and no way near deserving of the attention he gets. It would be like Kyle Orton getting as much attention as Tom Brady. It's insulting to everyone.
In your opinion, yet many of us are talking about Peter, and he is in the media more than many others. For me, Peter and I have our differences, a little cocky, but he is learning the business. Sort of like a new rookie, etc -
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Some solid points made by the always rock steady Tendonitis and DT!
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(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/putnam4.jpg)
all surfer boy with his platinum blond in an industry dominated by black guys. which sup company was smart enough to sign the pair? in this case the combo is better than the individual. yes...he should have got a pro card. all marketing! next?
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(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/putnam4.jpg)
all surfer boy with his platinum blond in an industry dominated by black guys. which sup company was smart enough to sign the pair? in this case the combo is better than the individual. yes...he should have got a pro card. all marketing! next?
Nasser eyes
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Jessica Paxson Putman can stand on her own, and she is destined, maybe, for a top 7 placing at the Figure Olympia this year (in my opinion). She has her own contracts with AMI and Optimum Nutrition, just won another show, and has done well.
Peter Putman started well, everyone more in the mainstream liking his look, and had a Met-Rx contract, and a nice one at that. Now he moved on to Champion Nutrition, and between that time, picked up an AMI contract. Not bad - good business moves and decisions.
Winning a contest doesnt mean an automatic contract - you are a business. You need to market yourself, show whoever wants to give you a contract that you are worth it, and a good business decision. Awareness of the brand, what you can give to the brand, whether it is a magazine, supplement advertising, or whatever.
In your opinion, yet many of us are talking about Peter, and he is in the media more than many others. For me, Peter and I have our differences, a little cocky, but he is learning the business. Sort of like a new rookie, etc -
Yes, but you are missing the point: His physique is so obviously so sub-par, that it is an embarrassment that he attained pro status.
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he's a model?
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Yes, he's a model. He's doing some runway work at Fashion Week in New York this fall. Versace and Zegna I believe.
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This guy has Goodrum's back.