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Romney goes on defensive as Huckabee garners 29% in straw poll.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A day after former Baptist minister and likely presidential rival Mike Huckabee offered a withering critique of Mitt Romney's record, the former Massachusetts governor made his pitch to the same group of religious conservatives.
As Mitt Romney, left, defended his health care record Saturday, Mike Huckabee won a vote.
Romney appealed to attendees at the Values Voter Summit in Washington on Saturday, using a speech that drew heavily from his address to social conservatives at the same hotel earlier this year. "Putting such a spirit-crushing, back-breaking debt burden on our children is unworthy of our national character," he said.
"That is why I believe that this spending and borrowing is not just economically irresponsible, it is morally wrong."
The former Republican presidential candidate, widely considered a likely 2012 contender, was on the ballot for the gathering's 2012 presidential straw poll, along with Huckabee, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Indiana Rep. Mike Pence and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.
Huckabee won the straw poll Saturday, grabbing nearly 29 percent of the vote. Romney, Pawlenty, Palin and Pence each won roughly 12 percent of the 597 votes cast.
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I like huck he seems like a real level headed and rational person...
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I like huck too. Funny guy.
Let's be clear: None of these guys made me. This great nation made me. So vote for me. God bless America and forget these three idiots." --on the dispute between Conan O'Brien, Stephen Colbert, and Jon Stewart over who made Mike Huckabee
"When we were in college we used to take a popcorn popper -- because that was the only thing they would let us have in the dorms -- and fry squirrels in the popcorn popper." (Watch video clip)
"There's a greater chance that I would dye my hair green and get tattoos all over my body and do a rock tour with Amy Winehouse than there is that I would run for the Senate, so let me put that to rest. Somehow, just imagine me, green hair, on tour with Amy Winehouse, ain't happening, not running for the Senate, done deal, absolutely no way."
"I'm from Hope, Arkansas, you may have heard of it. All I'm asking is, give us one more chance."
"I'm pretty sure there will be duck-hunting in heaven and I can't wait!" --speaking to an NRA group
"We've had a Congress that's spent money like John Edwards at a beauty shop."
"Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office...that's what Jesus would do." --after being asked if Jesus would have supported the death penalty
"Whether we need to send somebody to Mars, I don't know. But I'll tell you what, if we do, I've got a few suggestions, and maybe Hillary could be on the first rocket."
"Which one?" --to Mitt Romney, after the former Massachusetts governor told him not to try and characterize his position on Iraq
"And the ultimate thing is, I may not be the expert that some people are on foreign policy, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night."
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And thats what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than trying to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family."
"The point I'm trying to make is that, on the campaign trail, nobody's going to be able, if they've been campaigning as hard as we have been, to keep up with every single thing, from what happened to Britney last night to who won 'Dancing with the Stars.'" --explaining why he was unfamiliar with the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear capability
"We ought to declare that we will be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade."
"If anybody wants to believe they're the descendants of a primate, they'e welcome to do it." --answering a question about evolution
"If a person dresses provocatively, they're calling attention -- maybe not the most desirable kind -- to private parts of their body." --after being asked whether he's against miniskirts
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some of those are pretty funny
you dont think huck makes a good pres candidate 240?
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sorry, it's silly, gay, retarded, crazy and stupid but I can't forget about that creepy ass dream of him I had a year ago where he was president and the image was of him smiling walking through total destruction. Prior to posting that, I remember all my posts of him were pretty positive. He seemed like a very likable person, very presidential. Then I had that dream and was like, where the fuck did that come from. I had little reason other than him being republican to dislike him. Maybe the Christian thing freaked me out subconsciously, I've had some fucked up experiences with Christian bullshit in the last few years. I really did have that dream and yes I know it sounds stupid but it still freaks me out when I see him and it feels like I just know he's going to be president.
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some of those are pretty funny
you dont think huck makes a good pres candidate 240?
i liked Huck best out of the bunch in 2008. Huck presonally handed the nomination to Mccain. It probably would have been Romney without Huck.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=did+huckabee+get+mccain+nominated%3F&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Would mccain have won the election with Huck as VP? It's very possible.
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I do think he was a *little* dishonest about the cross image in the background of one of his ads. Said it was an accident. Nahhhhhh.
I admired his courage to admit the bible wasn't word-for-word true. That we weren't just created 5,000 years ago, etc.
60% of total 2008 voters believed the VP candidate wasn't even qualified to be VP. I highly doubt 60% of Americans would have thought that about huck. And huck would have kept those same far-right voters that she did.
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Would mccain have won the election with Huck as VP? It's very possible.
I would say more than very possible. Whoever advised him on Palin knew they were destroying his chances. Huck would have appeased the same people that Palin was meant to appease. Huck was already known and well vetted. He probably would have won. Palin was the worst choice ever politically.
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Palin was the worst choice ever politically.
I have often said most people are sheep who would rather watch American Idol than the news.
however, despite the excitement, sexiness, and new-ness of Palin, they sure did use their brains. 3 out of 5 Voters believed she was not qualified for the job.
Speaks volumes. Matt Damon probably said it best...
I'd love to see Huck run in 2012. A Huck/Mitt ticket would probably beat Obama, really. They don't like each other, but hey...
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what the fuck is a values voter anyway
why don't they just call themselves conservative christian voters
seriously
why all the word games?
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I have often said most people are sheep who would rather watch American Idol than the news.
however, despite the excitement, sexiness, and new-ness of Palin, they sure did use their brains. 3 out of 5 Voters believed she was not qualified for the job.
Speaks volumes. Matt Damon probably said it best...
I'd love to see Huck run in 2012. A Huck/Mitt ticket would probably beat Obama, really. They don't like each other, but hey...
I can see that ticket winning. especially with the way things are going for Obama. They're destroying him. I'm not so sure it would win with Mitt as president. I really do think to many people will hold the mormon thing against him. I don't think the nation is ready for a mormon president. and I know how that sounds seeing how we now have a black president. But it's the religious right that will matter in that vote and a mormon might have enough staying home or going third party that Obama would win. Of course if they keep going with Obama, they might turn him into such a demon that a mormon looks angelic to them.
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Sorry, but I cant stand Huck. He reinforces the religious zealout charactiature that the mainstream media tries to paint the Republican Party with - and a lot of independents fall for it. He knows nothing about international economics - a big no-no if you want to be in the White House. And the guy is a populist. Its bad enough when leftists like Barack Obama badmouth businesses and corporations. It is unacceptable when a Republican does it. Bill Clinton knew enough not to do that, and that is why he was such a successfull politico. Its too bad none of his Democrat nominee successors were as tempered. Mike Huckabee must not win the nomination. Barack Obama may not be quite enough of a disaster for people to decide to roll the dice on Huck. And we cant take that chance, because we cannot afford 4 more years of Barack Obama.
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pawlenty/Huck is also interesting. The guy seems to be the one repub governor who hasn't banged a newer model.
Honestly, I don't think the party needs a rock star, a firecracker, a wildcard to win. A consistent and steady hard worker could do it.
I'm shocked Palin scored so low among far-right voters. I'm happy though. She is great for her fanbase, but there are so many better repubs to nominate. And I'm very happy to see Repubs realizing that.
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I would have hated to see hucks name go to shit b/c he accepted the VP spot with mccain to be honest.
I agree with palin possibly the worst choice out there I liker her personally as far as a private citizen but for VP no way but then again obama wasnt the best choice for the dems either so maybe mccain was just trying to play the same game.
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what the fuck is a values voter anyway
why don't they just call themselves conservative christian voters
seriously
why all the word games?
Same as, the "moral majority" lololol... the ones that keep turning up to be total hypocrites
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I would have hated to see hucks name go to shit b/c he accepted the VP spot with mccain to be honest.
I agree with palin possibly the worst choice out there I liker her personally as far as a private citizen but for VP no way but then again obama wasnt the best choice for the dems either so maybe mccain was just trying to play the same game.
you mean biden?
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Sorry, but I cant stand Huck. He reinforces the religious zealout charactiature that the mainstream media tries to paint the Republican Party with - and a lot of independents fall for it. He knows nothing about international economics - a big no-no if you want to be in the White House. And the guy is a populist. Its bad enough when leftists like Barack Obama badmouth businesses and corporations. It is unacceptable when a Republican does it. Bill Clinton knew enough not to do that, and that is why he was such a successfull politico. Its too bad none of his Democrat nominee successors were as tempered. Mike Huckabee must not win the nomination. Barack Obama may not be quite enough of a disaster for people to decide to roll the dice on Huck. And we cant take that chance, because we cannot afford 4 more years of Barack Obama.
Ive only seen him a number of times in interviews etc...and although they do paint the right as such it doesnt really seem that huck is that way. He uses logic to defend his positions based on faith instead of simply religious beliefs.
I dont think the majority of america really cares to much about religious beliefs look at obama spent 20 yrs in a church that spouts racist views that didnt play much of a role.
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you mean biden?
no i meant obama he wasnt anywhere near the best candidate for the job simply the popular one which is why perhaps mccain went with the popular choice of palin...
as for biden I have no idea why he choose him if he had choosen hillary the election would have been over the day they announced it.
If hillary had won the primary i would have probably voted for her over mccain
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Ive only seen him a number of times in interviews etc...and although they do paint the right as such it doesnt really seem that huck is that way. He uses logic to defend his positions based on faith instead of simply religious beliefs.I dont think the majority of america really cares to much about religious beliefs look at obama spent 20 yrs in a church that spouts racist views that didnt play much of a role.
what does this mean?
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what does this mean?
haha i knew you would ask me that ;)
His views while they may stem from his religious views I dont know if they do Ill assume they do as it seems consistent with them such as being anti abortion etc...are backed up with logic and not simply b/c God says so like some ppl do.
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haha i knew you would ask me that ;)
His views while they may stem from his religious views I dont know if they do Ill assume they do as it seems consistent with them such as being anti abortion etc...are backed up with logic and not simply b/c God says so like some ppl do.
example?
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oh this is getting goood... got my popcorn :)
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example?
I tried to find a clip of him on the daily show that I saw but couldnt find it
basically alot of the same points ive said to you over and over and over again that you disagree with not about parental rights but abortion specifically.
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I tried to find a clip of him on the daily show that I saw but couldnt find it
basically alot of the same points ive said to you over and over and over again that you disagree with not about parental rights but abortion specifically.
uh,....ok
that's your example of "using logic to defend his positions based on faith instead of simply religious beliefs"?
I'm still a little confused on the difference between faith and religious beliefs
maybe you can explain that part
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uh,....ok
that's your example of "using logic to defend his positions based on faith instead of simply religious beliefs"?
I'm still a little confused on the difference between faith and religious beliefs
maybe you can explain that part
Ok without getting into the whole debate again b/c i seriously dont want to have this with again for the n^th time.
Religious belief not based in logic while his beliefs may stem from religion he uses logic to back them up.
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Ok without getting into the whole debate again b/c i seriously dont want to have this with again for the n^th time.
Religious belief not based in logic while his beliefs may stem from religion he uses logic to back them up.
again
example?
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Ive only seen him a number of times in interviews etc...and although they do paint the right as such it doesnt really seem that huck is that way. He uses logic to defend his positions based on faith instead of simply religious beliefs.
I dont think the majority of america really cares to much about religious beliefs look at obama spent 20 yrs in a church that spouts racist views that didnt play much of a role.
Possibly, but there are some very embarassing acts that Huck has committed. Take the whole situation where Huck was involved in the parole of some prisoner who went on to murder two people when he got out of jail (supposedly because he had repented before God), or when he said that people with aids should be seperated from other people. The Democrats claim that this doesnt even scratch the surface of the dirt they have on him.
Remember this ad?
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If you look at the statistics for negative ads that Democrats ran on Republicans during the primaries, Romney got the highest percentage of negative ads. Huckabee got 2%.
The Democrats were like tigers in a cage when viewing Huckabee during the primaries.
No no my friends, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. 2012 is too important.
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again
example?
omg you really want to get into the abortion debate dont you?
last time i had you agreeing that your logic meant that elderly and mentally disabled ppl could be aborted you really want to walk down that path again?
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Possibly, but there are some very embarassing acts that Huck has committed. Take the whole situation where Huck was involved in the parole of some prisoner who went on to murder two people when he got out of jail (supposedly because he had repented before God), or when he said that people with aids should be seperated from other people. The Democrats claim that this doesnt even scratch the surface of the dirt they have on him.
Remember this ad?
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If you look at the statistics for negative ads that Democrats ran on Republicans during the primaries, Romney got the highest percentage of negative ads. Huckabee got 2%.
The Democrats were like tigers in a cage when viewing Huckabee during the primaries.
No no my friends, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. 2012 is too important.
No doubt I really dont think that anybody thats been in politics for a while can run for office and not have dirt pulled up on them especially these days with technology and access to ppl is so great.
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omg you really want to get into the abortion debate dont you?
last time i had you agreeing that your logic meant that elderly and mentally disabled ppl could be aborted you really want to walk down that path again?
you could try Huckleberry on the death penalty rather than abortion or plenty of other issues too.
can you even give me a simple explanation of the difference between faith and religious beliefs?
I'd be satisfied with that
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you could try Huckleberry on the death penalty rather than abortion or plenty of other issues too.
can you even give me a simple explanation of the difference between faith and religious beliefs?
I'd be satisfied with that
oh ok maybe there was a miscommunication
when i said faith i meant religious belief like as in "his faith"
He may be against abortion b/c of his religion (again i dont know I know he is against abortion) but he doesnt cite his religion as the reason why he uses logical reasoning to back up his stance.
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omg you really want to get into the abortion debate dont you?
last time i had you agreeing that your logic meant that elderly and mentally disabled ppl could be aborted you really want to walk down that path again?
you did?
I don't remember that
how about a link
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you did?
I don't remember that
how about a link
yes i did
im not gonna dig it up bro... ::)
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yes i did
im not gonna dig it up bro... ::)
I have a decent memory and I recall nothing of the sort
show proof or you're full of shit
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I have a decent memory and I recall nothing of the sort
show proof or you're full of shit
i have a great memory not simply decent and it was quite a while back it would take a long ass time to dig up and not really worth my effort...
as I remember we got into your rationalization of abortion and you said b/c the fetus depended on the mother it couldnt feed itself, live on its own etc...well some elderly cant either, mentally disabled, young children etc...
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i have a great memory not simply decent and it was quite a while back it would take a long ass time to dig up and not really worth my effort...
as I remember we got into your rationalization of abortion and you said b/c the fetus depended on the mother it couldnt feed itself, live on its own etc...well some elderly cant either, mentally disabled, young children etc...
the only thing we discussed about that point was that the fetus depended on the mother therefore the fetus was part of the womans body and any medical decisions in that regard were soley her choice
you won't find statement or agreement from me that therefore elderly or disabled should or could justifiably be aborted.
your memory is wrong but feel free to prove yourself right by showing some proof
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the only thing we discussed about that point was that the fetus depended on the mother therefore the fetus was part of the womans body and any medical decisions in that regard were soley her choice
you won't find statement or agreement from me that therefore elderly or disabled should or could justifiably be aborted.
your memory is wrong but feel free to prove yourself right by showing some proof
I never said you agreed with it I said you agreed thats where your logic led...
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I never said you agreed with it I said you agreed thats where your logic led...
again, all you have to do is show some proof.
the fact that the fetus literally depends on the living body of the mother does not logically lead to the statement that elderly or disable people could be aborted.
elderly or disabled people don't depend on a single living organism to sustain their physical life
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again, all you have to do is show some proof.
the fact that the fetus literally depends on the living body of the mother does not logically lead to the statement that elderly or disable people could be aborted.
elderly or disabled people don't depend on a single living organism to sustain their physical life
Im not going to go look up some 6 month old thread bro
Do they not? a parapalegic doesnt depend on another living organism?
a baby doesnt depend on its mother?
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Im not going to go look up some 6 month old thread bro
Do they not? a parapalegic doesnt depend on another living organism?
a baby doesnt depend on its mother?
simple question
if the pregnant woman dies in a car wreck does the fetus die (lets assume the fetus is in the stage where it can be legally aborted and not viable outside the womans body)
if a caregiver of a disabled person dies in a car wreck does the disabled person also die
the relationship is not at all the same and there is no logical connection that an elderly or disabled person could/should be aborted
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simple question
if the pregnant woman dies in a car wreck does the fetus die (lets assume the fetus is in the stage where it can be legally aborted and not viable outside the womans body)
if a caregiver of a disabled person dies in a car wreck does the disabled person also die
the relationship is not at all the same and there is no logical connection that an elderly or disabled person could/should be aborted
not necissarily the fetus can be retrieved...
its the rationalization of your view that logically extends to elderly and disabled ppl straw...
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not necissarily the fetus can be retrieved...
its the rationalization of your view that logically extends to elderly and disabled ppl straw...
let's say the fetus is 4 weeks old and the car explodes
how does the disabled person have the same relationship to a random caregiver that a fetus has to it's mothers body
there is no correlation or comparison at all
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let's say the fetus is 4 weeks old and the car explodes
how does the disabled person have the same relationship to a random caregiver that a fetus has to it's mothers body
there is no correlation or comparison at all
you deem it ok to abort b/c the baby depends on the mother for nourishment, shelter etc. correct?
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you deem it ok to abort b/c the baby depends on the mother for nourishment, shelter etc. correct?
no
it's because the fetus is part of the womans body
show me the corresponding relationship with a disabled person and a caregiver
or just give it up because you're wrong and you know it
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no
it's because the fetus is part of the womans body
show me the corresponding relationship with a disabled person and a caregiver
or just give it up because you're wrong and you know it
so youre ok with abortion all the way up until birth?
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actually technically with your logic you could give birth look at the child and then deem whether or not to abort just so long as the ambilical cord was still attached...
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so youre ok with abortion all the way up until birth?
no
when did I say that?
I'm fine with the laws exactly how they are and anything a woman chooses to do with her body is none of my business
what's this got to do with difference btw. faith and religious belief?
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no
when did I say that?
I'm fine with the laws exactly how they are and anything a woman chooses to do with her body is none of my business
what's this got to do with difference btw. faith and religious belief?
no
it's because the fetus is part of the womans body
the fetus is still apart of the womens body even up till birth so whats the difference?
I already explained what i meant, i thought it was a miscommunication..
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actually technically with your logic you could give birth look at the child and then deem whether or not to abort just so long as the ambilical cord was still attached...
no
that would not be correct
at that point (earlier than that) the fetus can live without being physically dependent on the host body
man, you're reaching here.
why don't you just give it up
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no
that would not be correct
at that point (earlier than that) the fetus can live without being physically dependent on the host body
man, you're reaching here.
why don't you just give it up
LOL your views on abortion change everytime we talk...
so its not that its simply her body its b/c the fetus cant live without her that makes it ok to terminate the pregnancy?
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Please no holy rollers.
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LOL your views on abortion change everytime we talk...
so its not that its simply her body its b/c the fetus cant live without her that makes it ok to terminate the pregnancy?
my position on the subject is exactly the same as the last time we discussed it.
I believe the thread was 8 or 10 pages long and you were just as clueless as the end as you were at the beginning