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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Dr Kincaid on September 27, 2009, 08:31:27 PM
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When does it start?
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it's being held in Sacramento this year, Nov 7
(there are no other men's contests scheduled between now and the end of the year)
(the only pro contest outside the US this year was Australia)
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it's being held in Sacramento this year, Nov 7
(there are no other men's contests scheduled between now and the end of the year)
(the only pro contest outside the US this year was Australia)
What ?! no European Grand Prix !?!? what will the German schmoes do !?!?!?
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The IFBB are positioning themselves as a true international federation! ::)
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It seems like there is more money in supplement sales now than ever before yet no sponsorship for 10K shows. :-X
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It seems like there is more money in supplement sales now than ever before yet no sponsorship for 10K shows. :-X
1) Supplements in the US are big business because they don't have to prove their products do what their ads claim. In other countries, the laws are different and supplements are not nearly as profitable.
2) the people who attend pro contests are not really the demographics that buy the supplements
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1) Supplements in the US are big business because they don't have to prove their products do what their ads claim. In other countries, the laws are different and supplements are not nearly as profitable.
2) the people who attend pro contests are not really the demographics that buy the supplements
What you're saying must be true because if it wasn't the supplement manufacturers would have a direct incentive to sponsor shows and clearly they do not.
Personally I have no moral objections with people selling snake oil. Caveat emptor - and we can't expect Big Government to protect us from every misleading claim. I have no problem with regulations for safety although markets do have a tendency to self-regulate in this regard.
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I have no problem with regulations for safety although markets do have a tendency to self-regulate in this regard.
yes, usually after a few dozen to a few hundred deaths
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yes, usually after a few dozen to a few hundred deaths
Yes, the free market mechanism is not perfect although it does have a tendency towards perfection over time. There is a reason why you are living in the most powerful nation on earth.
Regulatory agencies such as the FDA result in safe drugs being prevented from entering the market which can cause at least as many deaths. The cost to run these agencies needs to be objectively weighed against potential benefits if that money is used elsewhere and the ability for drug manufacturers to exploit regulation for their own advantage all have to be studied to determine whether or not regulation is actually good. Regulation can help, but is not necessarily a guarantee of superior results.
A lot of the current trouble facing the USA is the result of interventionism. That can't be ignored by anyone espousing the efficiency/necessity of regulatory bodies.
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Yes, the free market mechanism is not perfect although it does have a tendency towards perfection over time.
no, it does not have a tendency towards perfection. the free market is not an entity with intelligence or memory. The free market is made up of people who come and go. people who often have no knowledge of mistakes made a generation or two or three ago. or people who may remember the past, but who are looking for short term gains despite the long term damage that it may cause.
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no, it does not have a tendency towards perfection. the free market is not an entity with intelligence or memory. The free market is made up of people who come and go.
And the alternative superior economic model is...?
Is it just a profound coincidence that nations leaning towards conservative economic policies happen to be the best off with those leaning towards left wing economic policies diametrically opposed in terms of results?
people who often have no knowledge of mistakes made a generation or two or three ago. or people who may remember the past, but who are looking for short term gains despite the long term damage that it may cause.
Very true. But can you point to the group of angels who somehow know better than individuals what decisions are in their best interest? Additionally, how can you promise this group will somehow not exploit such an authoritarian role? Lastly, can you show me a nation which is made better off under such a system.
There is a reason why the USA is so powerful. Although I can understand why you would have liberal leaning tendencies given the conservative view on sexual identity politics which blatantly infringe on individual liberties. Liberals do have that particular aspect right in my opinion, although I disagree with them strongly on fiscal policy.
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There is a reason why the USA is so powerful.
it has a lot to do with the regulations set down in response to the Great Depression. The dismantling of those regulations lead to the Savings and Loan crisis, Enron, and to the subprime crisis.
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it has a lot to do with the regulations set down in response to the Great Depression. The dismantling of those regulations lead to the Savings and Loan crisis, Enron, and to the subprime crisis.
Yes, regulation can be good at times. It is possible to point to specific regulations that have done very clear and identifiable good.
Just a point on Enron though:
Between 1994 and 1999, the US Federal Reserve doubled the supply of money available. This, of course, means that eventually the value of US money will someday fall by half. Before that happens, however, all prices have to adjust, by the new money passing through many hands. The first hands will benefit greatly, because prices will still be lower than they should be [they haven't adjusted yet]. This is what caused the big stock market boom in the late 90s. But because prices are now wildly out of whack, companies have no mechanism with which to make rational investment decisions. Thus, inevitably, corporations like Enron spend way too much on the wrong capital at the wrong time; eventually this catches up with everyone, and a recession occurs.
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The IFBB always start out with a load of Pro shows and end up cancelling show after show.Well 10k 1st prize is a lot of Money.FFS.
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There is a reason why you are living in the most powerful nation on earth.
The most powerful nation on Earth...owned by China, bullied by North Korea.
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it has a lot to do with the regulations set down in response to the Great Depression. The dismantling of those regulations lead to the Savings and Loan crisis, Enron, and to the subprime crisis.
End the FED and there wont be the easy money that caused these problems.
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Yes, regulation can be good at times. It is possible to point to specific regulations that have done very clear and identifiable good.
Just a point on Enron though:
Between 1994 and 1999, the US Federal Reserve doubled the supply of money available. This, of course, means that eventually the value of US money will someday fall by half. Before that happens, however, all prices have to adjust, by the new money passing through many hands. The first hands will benefit greatly, because prices will still be lower than they should be [they haven't adjusted yet]. This is what caused the big stock market boom in the late 90s. But because prices are now wildly out of whack, companies have no mechanism with which to make rational investment decisions. Thus, inevitably, corporations like Enron spend way too much on the wrong capital at the wrong time; eventually this catches up with everyone, and a recession occurs.
bullshit. according to MattT, Clinton caused the boom and Bush caused the recession.
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bullshit. according to MattT, Clinton caused the boom and Bush caused the recession.
In Canada, liberal parties have at times had the good fortune of following a conservative party's reign. As a result, the positive effects of the former conservative party only begin to manifest into fiscal reality by the time the liberals take power who invariably get the credit for being at the right place at the right time. Not always, but this has definitely happened.
Bush may have damaged the US and the nation's interests in some clear ways, but it would appear that will be nowhere near to the extent that Obama will. :-X Let's just spend ourselves out of debt. :-X :-X :-X
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It seems like there is more money in supplement sales now than ever before yet no sponsorship for 10K shows. :-X
Matt, when are you going to start reviewing gay-4-pay vids?
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Yes, regulation can be good at times. It is possible to point to specific regulations that have done very clear and identifiable good.
Just a point on Enron though:
Between 1994 and 1999, the US Federal Reserve doubled the supply of money available. This, of course, means that eventually the value of US money will someday fall by half. Before that happens, however, all prices have to adjust, by the new money passing through many hands. The first hands will benefit greatly, because prices will still be lower than they should be [they haven't adjusted yet]. This is what caused the big stock market boom in the late 90s. But because prices are now wildly out of whack, companies have no mechanism with which to make rational investment decisions. Thus, inevitably, corporations like Enron spend way too much on the wrong capital at the wrong time; eventually this catches up with everyone, and a recession occurs.
Jeezus christ....can we stick to one thread where men-in-thongs are discussed, please? I'm trying to jerk off here.....
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Matt, when are you going to start reviewing gay-4-pay vids?
Actually it's funny that you mentioned that since a few days ago I decided that I'm going to start reviewing GMV's extensive library again in November!!
Jeezus christ....can we stick to one thread where men-in-thongs are discussed, please? I'm trying to jerk off here.....
Hi Earl.
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Actually it's funny that you mentioned that since a few days ago I decided that I'm going to start reviewing GMV's extensive library again in November!!
maybe start with one of the Euro tour shows.
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The FDA should be limited to taking products off the market that aren't safe. They overstep their bounds all the time.
Regulation is necessary but it must not be overbearing and its only objective is to protect the consumer.
Tim, the mortgage crisis was just as much the fault of the government as the greedy lenders and the people who took loans they couldn't afford. The over-regulation of government clearly pushed banks to remove their criteria to make loans to lower income people, many who defaulted. The greedy bankers and lenders need to be regulated, but not forced to change their criteria for ensuring loans are issued to qualified candidates.
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I think its BS that IFBB competitions are basically only in the US. Many enjoyed the Euro tour.
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Tim, the mortgage crisis was just as much the fault of the government as the greedy lenders and the people who took loans they couldn't afford. The over-regulation of government clearly pushed banks to remove their criteria to make loans to lower income people, many who defaulted. The greedy bankers and lenders need to be regulated, but not forced to change their criteria for ensuring loans are issued to qualified candidates.
complete bs. the housing bubble and most of the bad mortgages that went with it was not with lower income people, but middle class and upper middle class people leveraged to the hilt.
and the mortgage crisis would have been only a minor inconvenience to the banks if it weren't for the way they repackaged them as derivatives.
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I think its BS that IFBB competitions are basically only in the US. Many enjoyed the Euro tour.
there is the UPBF, which has had the Pro Battle of Giants in Norway, France and Italy
http://www.upbf-pro.com/
Looks like there is a contest Oct 18 in Rome
http://www.puntofape.com/battle-of-giants-tour-upbf-2009-italia-3142/
then Oct 24 in Larvik Norway
http://www.diariodeunfisicoculturista.com/2009/08/battle-of-giants-tour-2009-upbf-2009.html
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there is the UPBF, which has had the Pro Battle of Giants in Norway, France and Italy
http://www.upbf-pro.com/
Looks like there is a contest Oct 18 in Rome
http://www.puntofape.com/battle-of-giants-tour-upbf-2009-italia-3142/
then Oct 24 in Larvik Norway
http://www.diariodeunfisicoculturista.com/2009/08/battle-of-giants-tour-2009-upbf-2009.html
Well good to see somesome one is taking advantage of the hole in the market.
The train kept a rollin.
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there is the UPBF, which has had the Pro Battle of Giants in Norway, France and Italy
http://www.upbf-pro.com/
Looks like there is a contest Oct 18 in Rome
http://www.puntofape.com/battle-of-giants-tour-upbf-2009-italia-3142/
then Oct 24 in Larvik Norway
http://www.diariodeunfisicoculturista.com/2009/08/battle-of-giants-tour-2009-upbf-2009.html
These shows happening again this year Norway must be cool this time of year?