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Do any of you have problems w/different Translations ....NIV vs KJV vs NLT etc?
Some people seem to only accept the KJV.
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I thought this was interesting regarding a mistranslation and freemasonry.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread35336/pg1
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Do any of you have problems w/different Translations ....NIV vs KJV vs NLT etc?
Some people seem to only accept the KJV.
That tends to be a Baptist thing...."If it ain't King James, it ain't the Bible!!"
In fact, I remember when I considered enrolling my kids in a Baptist school. As if the books weren't expensive enough, the school's policy for Bibles was that the kids could only have KJV ones. They already had Bibles (one NIV, one NLT). The school won't even look at the NKJV.
My personal preference is the NASB, with the NIV a close second. To me, the NLT is too wordy and often tries to convert ancient terms into modern ones in the text itself.
The NASB uses the ancient terms (but puts footnotes in there and gives the modern-day equivalent into the margin.
For instance, when talking about the burial of Jesus, the KJV says that the spices were 100 lbs weight. The NLT says 75 lbs.
Well, the Greek word for "pound" is litra. A litra is 11.5 to 12 U.S. ounces. So, 100 litras would be 75 lbs (U.S.)
Same for the length, "cubit", a measurement of a man's forearms from elbow to tip of middle finger. That varies from nation to nation. The Babylonian cubit one length (21 inches, I think); the Egyptian cubit was a bit smaller (19 inches) and the Hebrew cubit was closer to 17 inches.
For ease of calculation, most scholars use an average size of 18 inches (1.5 ft) as a cubit. That would, for example, make Nebuchadnezzar's 60-cubit statue 90 feet high in U.S units.
Regardless of translation, I like Bible with such footnotes as well as concordances, maps, and Biblical dictionaries.
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Do any of you have problems w/different Translations ....NIV vs KJV vs NLT etc?
Some people seem to only accept the KJV.
No. :)
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i got to "begat" then got bored with the whole thing.
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I thought this was interesting regarding a mistranslation and freemasonry.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread35336/pg1
So the main hang up is on the name Lucifer being attributed to the devil?
Regardless of translation, I like Bible with such footnotes as well as concordances, maps, and Biblical dictionaries.
I also prefer footnotes/study bible...I normally read the NIV.
i got to "begat" then got bored with the whole thing.
You're not the only one...when you come across that you can just skip that part! It does get more interesting Migs :)
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I prefer the KJV, primarily because of the rich language. I don't subscribe to the "King James Onlyism" that plagues some folks ("Can't get to Heaven without the 1611," or, "I use the King James Bible, just like Jesus did.") but I enjoy all the begatting and other Elizabethan turns of phrase found therein.
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You're not the only one...when you come across that you can just skip that part! It does get more interesting Migs :)
nu - huh
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no problems with different translations here at all.
I prefer KJV though.
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Do any of you have problems w/different Translations ....NIV vs KJV vs NLT etc?
Some people seem to only accept the KJV.
I "cut my baby teeth" with the NIV, and have now found that the NASB, or New American Standard Bible is a great tool to study with. I still haven't gotten to the point where the folks who have mentored me use several translations to understand a particular portion of scripture.
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Do any of you have problems w/different Translations ....NIV vs KJV vs NLT etc?
Some people seem to only accept the KJV.
You ain't kidding!!! Check out this guy!!
Pastor to Host Halloween Bible-Burning Event
A North Carolina pastor plans to host a Halloween event at his church to burn heretical books. At the top of the list — the Bible.
Pastor Marc Grizzard claims the King James version of the Bible is the only true word of God, and that all other versions are "satanic" and "perversions" of God's word.
On Halloween night, Grizzard and the 14 members of the Amazing Grace Baptist Church will set fire to other versions of the scripture, as well as music and books by Christian authors.
“We are burning books that we believe to be Satanic,” Pastor Grizzard said.
“I believe the King James version is God’s preserved, inspired, inerrant, infallible word of God… for English-speaking people."
All other religious or Christian texts are sacreligious, the pastor insists. The list of books being burned will include works written by "a lot of different authors who we consider heretics, such as Billy Graham, Rick Warren… the list goes on and on,” Pastor Grizzard said.
Also on the pastor's list of heretical authors — Mother Teresa, according to a full list that was previously available at the Amazing Grace Baptist Church's Web site. The Church's Web site — which is no longer available — calls the event 'Burning Perversions of God's Word,' and urges parishioners to "come celebrate Halloween by burning Satan's bibles." Calls to the Amazing Grace Church were not returned Thursday.
Some in the pastor's community support the event.
"In my opinion, the King James Version is the only version," Sissy Messer said.
But not all residents of Canton, N.C. agree with the bonfire of the profanities.
“I think some of the newer versions make it easier for people to understand,” said resident Judy Kirby.
The book-burning is being promoted as a social event with a barbecue dinner. The event will run from "7 p.m.- Till," according to the announcement previously posted on the Web site.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10)
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You ain't kidding!!! Check out this guy!!
Pastor to Host Halloween Bible-Burning Event
A North Carolina pastor plans to host a Halloween event at his church to burn heretical books. At the top of the list — the Bible.
Pastor Marc Grizzard claims the King James version of the Bible is the only true word of God, and that all other versions are "satanic" and "perversions" of God's word.
On Halloween night, Grizzard and the 14 members of the Amazing Grace Baptist Church will set fire to other versions of the scripture, as well as music and books by Christian authors.
“We are burning books that we believe to be Satanic,” Pastor Grizzard said.
“I believe the King James version is God’s preserved, inspired, inerrant, infallible word of God… for English-speaking people."
All other religious or Christian texts are sacreligious, the pastor insists. The list of books being burned will include works written by "a lot of different authors who we consider heretics, such as Billy Graham, Rick Warren… the list goes on and on,” Pastor Grizzard said.
Also on the pastor's list of heretical authors — Mother Teresa, according to a full list that was previously available at the Amazing Grace Baptist Church's Web site. The Church's Web site — which is no longer available — calls the event 'Burning Perversions of God's Word,' and urges parishioners to "come celebrate Halloween by burning Satan's bibles." Calls to the Amazing Grace Church were not returned Thursday.
Some in the pastor's community support the event.
"In my opinion, the King James Version is the only version," Sissy Messer said.
But not all residents of Canton, N.C. agree with the bonfire of the profanities.
“I think some of the newer versions make it easier for people to understand,” said resident Judy Kirby.
The book-burning is being promoted as a social event with a barbecue dinner. The event will run from "7 p.m.- Till," according to the announcement previously posted on the Web site.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10)
lol
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Grizzard and the 14 members
I've seen this story too...lots of coverage for this group!
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I've seen this story too...lots of coverage for this group!
It's easy to see why he has just 15 members (counting himself) in his church.
But, this tends to be a Baptist thing, the whole If it ain't King James, it ain't the Bible! spiel.
I remember when I consider putting my kids in a Baptist school. They wanted me to buy my kids KJV Bibles, in addition to the books they offered. Both kids already have Bibles (one NIV, the other NKJV). The school wouldn't even accept the NKJV.
Between that and the tuition, I basically said, "No, thank you!!" and eventually found another school for them.
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It's easy to see why he has just 15 members (counting himself) in his church.
But, this tends to be a Baptist thing, the whole If it ain't King James, it ain't the Bible! spiel.
I remember when I consider putting my kids in a Baptist school. They wanted me to buy my kids KJV Bibles, in addition to the books they offered. Both kids already have Bibles (one NIV, the other NKJV). The school wouldn't even accept the NKJV.
Between that and the tuition, I basically said, "No, thank you!!" and eventually found another school for them.
Makes you wonder if the school would have tended toward legalism
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It's easy to see why he has just 15 members (counting himself) in his church.
But, this tends to be a Baptist thing, the whole If it ain't King James, it ain't the Bible! spiel.
I remember when I consider putting my kids in a Baptist school. They wanted me to buy my kids KJV Bibles, in addition to the books they offered. Both kids already have Bibles (one NIV, the other NKJV). The school wouldn't even accept the NKJV.
Between that and the tuition, I basically said, "No, thank you!!" and eventually found another school for them.
Not most Baptists. I'm familiar with Southern Baptists in the US and in Venezuela, and with Northern Baptists in Chicago. They are not like that at all.
I did hear of an Independent Baptist church somewhere in the South of the US that is like this, KJV only. Jack T. Chick, of Chick Publications tracks, is an Independent Baptist and he strongly advocates KJV only and he speaks against Billy Graham too. Maybe it's an Independent Baptist thing.
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Jack T. Chick, of Chick Publications tracks, is an Independent Baptist and he strongly advocates KJV only and he speaks against Billy Graham too.
REally? What does he say against Billy Graham?
Those Chick tracts are sometimes pretty good and sometimes seem a little "hardcore."
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REally? What does he say against Billy Graham?
Those Chick tracts are sometimes pretty good and sometimes seem a little "hardcore."
Yup! Chick is strongly anti-Roman Catholic. You can see that from his books and tracks. So one of the things that he strongly criticizes Billy Graham about is that Billy Graham has no problems with somebody believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and attending Roman Catholic Church mass.
I think Chick gets this from Billy Graham crusades, where some non-practicing Roman Catholics apparently had accepted Christ and were told by the counselors that they should start attending a Christian church and that a Catholic church is okay to attend if that's where they wanted to go.
Somebody told me that Billy Graham once was asked if Pope John Paul II was going to go to Heaven, to which Billy Graham said yes, he thought so. If that's true, I'm sure Chick is not happy about that either.
I grew up reading Chick Publications tracks in Spanish. They were very funny, entertaining and they present the Gospel. But they also push a lot of opinions and doctrinal stuff which I do not share.
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The Chick tracts are, as mentioned previously, good at presenting the Gospel, but they do strongly promote the author's opinions. I have found that most of Chick's comics have one or more of the following themes:
1. Anti-Roman Catholic
2. Pro KJV
3. Anti-Freemason
4. Pro Life, Pro Traditional Values
5. Strong warnings about anything relating to the occult (Halloween, Harry Potter, D&D, etc)
6. Anti-contemporary church music
7. "Sola fide, Sola scriptura"
8. Anti-drug/alcohol
9. Angels and demons in constant conflict over the affairs of people
In roughly half the tracts, the protagonist chooses to follow Jesus and is saved. In the other half, the protagonists rejects Jesus and ends up in Hell (graphically depicted). In most cases, the "bad" person (prisoner, addict, prostitute, etc) accepts Jesus and the "good" person (teacher, businessman, fireman) rejects Him...probably Chick going out of his way to show the Lord is not a respecter of persons, etc.
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i prefer to read the gospel of chuck norris
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i got to "begat" then got bored with the whole thing.
boredom begat atheism?
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Do any of you have problems w/different Translations ....NIV vs KJV vs NLT etc?
Some people seem to only accept the KJV.
That's because God dictated the KJV to KJ(Lebron)
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The whole "The Bible has to be written in stiff upper lip language or otherwise it doesn't count" issue is retarded from the start.
For one, even if you fill the whole good ol' book with "thy" and "thou" and "shalt", it still aren't the original languages - Hebrew and Greek.
So why not make the Bible accessible?
It was rewritten and edited during the earlier centuries, so why not now?
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The whole "The Bible has to be written in stiff upper lip language or otherwise it doesn't count" issue is retarded from the start.
For one, even if you fill the whole good ol' book with "thy" and "thou" and "shalt", it still aren't the original languages - Hebrew and Greek.
So why not make the Bible accessible?
It was rewritten and edited during the earlier centuries, so why not now?
True, but you're preaching to the choir! Preach it, brother Hedgehog! :)
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That tends to be a Baptist thing...."If it ain't King James, it ain't the Bible!!"
In fact, I remember when I considered enrolling my kids in a Baptist school. As if the books weren't expensive enough, the school's policy for Bibles was that the kids could only have KJV ones. They already had Bibles (one NIV, one NLT). The school won't even look at the NKJV.
My personal preference is the NASB, with the NIV a close second. To me, the NLT is too wordy and often tries to convert ancient terms into modern ones in the text itself.
The NASB uses the ancient terms (but puts footnotes in there and gives the modern-day equivalent into the margin.
For instance, when talking about the burial of Jesus, the KJV says that the spices were 100 lbs weight. The NLT says 75 lbs.
Well, the Greek word for "pound" is litra. A litra is 11.5 to 12 U.S. ounces. So, 100 litras would be 75 lbs (U.S.)
Same for the length, "cubit", a measurement of a man's forearms from elbow to tip of middle finger. That varies from nation to nation. The Babylonian cubit one length (21 inches, I think); the Egyptian cubit was a bit smaller (19 inches) and the Hebrew cubit was closer to 17 inches.
For ease of calculation, most scholars use an average size of 18 inches (1.5 ft) as a cubit. That would, for example, make Nebuchadnezzar's 60-cubit statue 90 feet high in U.S units.
Regardless of translation, I like Bible with such footnotes as well as concordances, maps, and Biblical dictionaries.
so your cool with indoctrination huh?
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so your cool with indoctrination huh?
What are you talking about? The subject here is translations of the Bible.
Besides, when you teach kids, you indoctrinate them, depending on the subject matter.
When you become a parent, don't tell me you have no intention of passing your morals and values to them.
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You ain't kidding!!! Check out this guy!!
Pastor to Host Halloween Bible-Burning Event
A North Carolina pastor plans to host a Halloween event at his church to burn heretical books. At the top of the list — the Bible.
Pastor Marc Grizzard claims the King James version of the Bible is the only true word of God, and that all other versions are "satanic" and "perversions" of God's word.
On Halloween night, Grizzard and the 14 members of the Amazing Grace Baptist Church will set fire to other versions of the scripture, as well as music and books by Christian authors.
“We are burning books that we believe to be Satanic,” Pastor Grizzard said.
“I believe the King James version is God’s preserved, inspired, inerrant, infallible word of God… for English-speaking people."
All other religious or Christian texts are sacreligious, the pastor insists. The list of books being burned will include works written by "a lot of different authors who we consider heretics, such as Billy Graham, Rick Warren… the list goes on and on,” Pastor Grizzard said.
Also on the pastor's list of heretical authors — Mother Teresa, according to a full list that was previously available at the Amazing Grace Baptist Church's Web site. The Church's Web site — which is no longer available — calls the event 'Burning Perversions of God's Word,' and urges parishioners to "come celebrate Halloween by burning Satan's bibles." Calls to the Amazing Grace Church were not returned Thursday.
Some in the pastor's community support the event.
"In my opinion, the King James Version is the only version," Sissy Messer said.
But not all residents of Canton, N.C. agree with the bonfire of the profanities.
“I think some of the newer versions make it easier for people to understand,” said resident Judy Kirby.
The book-burning is being promoted as a social event with a barbecue dinner. The event will run from "7 p.m.- Till," according to the announcement previously posted on the Web site.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10)
this is going on like 20 miles from my house. lol these people are nuts
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this is going on like 20 miles from my house. lol these people are nuts
Well, if they have any beef ribs left, grab a slab for me. ;D
When I saw this article, I was completely taken aback, that this was being done by someone with an axe to grind with the Christian faith.
But (and Loco will beat me up for saying this), when I saw the word, "Baptist", I instantly knew what the deal was.
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Well, if they have any beef ribs left, grab a slab for me. ;D
When I saw this article, I was completely taken aback, that this was being done by someone with an axe to grind with the Christian faith.
But (and Loco will beat me up for saying this), when I saw the word, "Baptist", I instantly knew what the deal was.
Nah, I ain't gonna beat ya up! I bet ya them people are Independent Baptist. :)
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Well, if they have any beef ribs left, grab a slab for me. ;D
When I saw this article, I was completely taken aback, that this was being done by someone with an axe to grind with the Christian faith.
But (and Loco will beat me up for saying this), when I saw the word, "Baptist", I instantly knew what the deal was.
yep independent baptist. And they are serving BBQ chicken. A good friend of the family lives like 2 miles up from the church, I passed by going to a party at his house and their sign said something like "Living in Sin Burn In Hell" I couldn't help but just laugh. About a month later I heard about this and said wow
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yep independent baptist. And they are serving BBQ chicken. A good friend of the family lives like 2 miles up from the church, I passed by going to a party at his house and their sign said something like "Living in Sin Burn In Hell" I couldn't help but just laugh. About a month later I heard about this and said wow
See? Told ya! ;D
I'm seeing a trend here. These KJV only and anti Billy Graham teachings must be an Independent Baptist thing. Never seen this among Southern Baptists or Northern Baptists before. :-\
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You ain't kidding!!! Check out this guy!!
Pastor to Host Halloween Bible-Burning Event
A North Carolina pastor plans to host a Halloween event at his church to burn heretical books. At the top of the list — the Bible.
Pastor Marc Grizzard claims the King James version of the Bible is the only true word of God, and that all other versions are "satanic" and "perversions" of God's word.
On Halloween night, Grizzard and the 14 members of the Amazing Grace Baptist Church will set fire to other versions of the scripture, as well as music and books by Christian authors.
“We are burning books that we believe to be Satanic,” Pastor Grizzard said.
“I believe the King James version is God’s preserved, inspired, inerrant, infallible word of God… for English-speaking people."
All other religious or Christian texts are sacreligious, the pastor insists. The list of books being burned will include works written by "a lot of different authors who we consider heretics, such as Billy Graham, Rick Warren… the list goes on and on,” Pastor Grizzard said.
Also on the pastor's list of heretical authors — Mother Teresa, according to a full list that was previously available at the Amazing Grace Baptist Church's Web site. The Church's Web site — which is no longer available — calls the event 'Burning Perversions of God's Word,' and urges parishioners to "come celebrate Halloween by burning Satan's bibles." Calls to the Amazing Grace Church were not returned Thursday.
Some in the pastor's community support the event.
"In my opinion, the King James Version is the only version," Sissy Messer said.
But not all residents of Canton, N.C. agree with the bonfire of the profanities.
“I think some of the newer versions make it easier for people to understand,” said resident Judy Kirby.
The book-burning is being promoted as a social event with a barbecue dinner. The event will run from "7 p.m.- Till," according to the announcement previously posted on the Web site.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569121,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.049266:b28462547:z10)
snake handling and kool aid to follow the "till."
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snake handling and kool aid to follow the "till."
Actually, any time a party invitation says "7:00 till..." it really means 7:00-7:30.
They probably have a Budweiser Communion after the snake handling.