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Right wing news sites and bloggers are abuzz over an "admission" by Bill Ayers that he ghost-wrote Barack Obama's first book, Dreams From My Father.
The rumors that the former Vietnam War-era radical-turned-pedagogy professor wrote Obama's book have been a favorite of right-wing bloggers since the 2008 election, but a claim by a conservative blogger earlier this week that Ayers admitted writing the book to her has fanned the flames once again.
And indeed Ayers has claimed to have written Dreams From My Father -- twice, in fact, in recent days. But, as many bloggers -- including a few conservative ones -- have pointed out, Ayers was very likely joking.
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/ayers-i-wrote-obamas-book-joke/
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Right wing news sites and bloggers are abuzz over an "admission" by Bill Ayers that he ghost-wrote Barack Obama's first book, Dreams From My Father.
The rumors that the former Vietnam War-era radical-turned-pedagogy professor wrote Obama's book have been a favorite of right-wing bloggers since the 2008 election, but a claim by a conservative blogger earlier this week that Ayers admitted writing the book to her has fanned the flames once again.
And indeed Ayers has claimed to have written Dreams From My Father -- twice, in fact, in recent days. But, as many bloggers -- including a few conservative ones -- have pointed out, Ayers was very likely joking.
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/ayers-i-wrote-obamas-book-joke/
If that fucking piece of shit was dying of thirst I wouldn't give him the sweat off my nut sack. That fucker should have been executed 30 years ago for treason.
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If that fucking piece of shit was dying of thirst I wouldn't give him the sweat off my nut sack. That fucker should have been executed 30 years ago for treason.
...explain to us Euro-zoners why Republicans are so quick to brand Ayers a "terrorist"?
I don't get it?
The Luke
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...explain to us Euro-zoners why Republicans are so quick to brand Ayers a "terrorist"?
I don't get it?
The Luke
weather underground...look it up
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...explain to us Euro-zoners why Republicans are so quick to brand Ayers a "terrorist"?
I don't get it?
The Luke
The Weather Underground or the Weathermen
A bunch of radical fuckheads in the 60's and 70's bombed the pentagon and the state department building killed poice officers.....
And I'm not a republican, I am an independant conservative
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The Weather Underground or the Weathermen
A bunch of radical fuckheads in the 60's and 70's bombed the pentagon and the state department building killed poice officers.....
And I'm not a republican, I am an independant conservative
Did William Ayers bomb or kill anyone himself?
The Luke
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Did William Ayers bomb or kill anyone himself?
The Luke
Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:
"Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[16]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
youre welcome
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Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972,
...define "participated".
The Luke
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...define "participated".
The Luke
he co founded the group has appologized for actions he took that hurt ppl...what more does your idiotic ass want luke? seriously
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he co founded the group has appologized for actions he took that hurt ppl...what more does your idiotic ass want luke? seriously
...I get what his radicalism was about.
What I don't get is exactly what he did that makes him a "terrorist"?
Best as I can find, he wasn't directly involved in any of the terrorist activities... or was he? Anyone got a link?
I mean if he was just a firebrand member of some fringe group, and other members of this group went as far as terrorism... does that make him guilty by association?
The Luke
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...I get what his radicalism was about.
What I don't get is exactly what he did that makes him a "terrorist"?
Best as I can find, he wasn't directly involved in any of the terrorist activities... or was he? Anyone got a link?
I mean if he was just a firebrand member of some fringe group, and other members of this group went as far as terrorism... does that make him guilty by association?
The Luke
he went as far as terrorism luke the reason he got off was b/c of of the tactics used by the fbi were deemed illegal...i gave you a link if you dont like what that one says go find another one until you fit one that suits your agenda...
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"Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs"
does this sound like the statement of a person who wasnt involved or that had no knowledge of these events?
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"Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs"
does this sound like the statement of a person who wasnt involved or that had no knowledge of these events?
...so he's a terrorist because he palled around with terrorists?
The Luke
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...so he's a terrorist because he palled around with terrorists?
The Luke
LOL no he is a terrorist b/c he planned and help carry out terrorist activities sorry if that is hard for you to process but here in the states if you help someone you dont need to necissarily be the person who pulls the trigger to be guilty...
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LOL no he is a terrorist b/c he planned and help carry out terrorist activities sorry if that is hard for you to process but here in the states if you help someone you dont need to necissarily be the person who pulls the trigger to be guilty...
...oh yeah, I read about this guy years ago.
He's the radical guy who couldn't be prosected because the "terorist" group was chock full of FBI and CIA agent provacateurs, right?
He still claims to this day that he was never directly involved in any violence against people, and is probably best described as a reformed politically-motivated vandal.
The trumped up charges were dropped and he never served any jail time.
That guy?
The Luke
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...oh yeah, I read about this guy years ago.
He's the radical guy who couldn't be prosected because the "terorist" group was chock full of FBI and CIA agent provacateurs, right?
He still claims to this day that he was never directly involved in any violence against people, and is probably best described as a reformed politically-motivated vandal.
The trumped up charges were dropped and he never served any jail time.
That guy?
same guy charges were never trumped up simply info obtained through illegal manner in America if evidence is obtained through illegal manners they are not admissable in court.
he admits to bombing buildings etc...he says he wasnt a terrorist b/c his acts of violence werent random and terrorist violence is...his words bro...
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same guy charges were never trumped up simply info obtained through illegal manner in America if evidence is obtained through illegal manners they are not admissable in court.
he admits to bombing buildings etc...he says he wasnt a terrorist b/c his acts of violence werent random and terrorist violence is...his words bro...
...so we're agreed that Ayers himself wasnt involved in anything other than politically motivated vandalism using small bombs, right? And even that might have been incited by undercover CIA or FBI agent provacateurs.
Just want to be clear what we agree on.
The Luke
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...so we're agreed that Ayers himself wasnt involved in anything other than politically motivated vandalism using small bombs, right? And even that might have been incited by undercover CIA or FBI agent provacateurs.
Just want to be clear what we agree on.
The Luke
LOL so basically we are in agreeance that ayers is a terrorist then?
b/c from that he is a terrorist
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LOL so basically we are in agreeance that ayers is a terrorist then?
b/c from that he is a terrorist
...you've got low standards for terrorism.
If Ayers is a terrorist, then what is Bush? Beelzebub?
The Luke
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...you've got low standards for terrorism.
If Ayers is a terrorist, then what is Bush? Beelzebub?
The Luke
Nice way to derail the thread. Even Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn is/was a terrorist.
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i'd like to see somebody refute Luke's points.
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i'd like to see somebody refute Luke's points.
Which "points"?
Luke is your Irish twin: rambling, inconsistent, deficient in many areas, and unable to put together a cogent argument on almost any issue.
He wants to argue that the weather underground was not a terrorist org?
Come on 240 - how stupid is that?
Is ELF a terrorist org?
Was McVeigh a terrorist?
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Which "points"?
Luke is your Irish twin: rambling, inconsistent, deficient in many areas, and unable to put together a cogent argument on almost any issue.
He wants to argue that the weather underground was not a terrorist org?
Come on 240 - how stupid is that?
Is ELF a terrorist org?
Was McVeigh a terrorist?
Let's say ACORN was infiltrated by feds who talked a few low-level guys into setting off a bomb. Is the guy who founded the company a terrorist by association? If you start a lawn care company, and 3 of your guys rob a bank on their lunch break, are you a bank robber too?
To me, ayers seems like a bag of shite. But proof of his direct involvement would be nice too. I never understood why he didn't go to jail.
Please refute Luke's points, and prove what Ayers did. I'm by no means sympathizing with ayers - I'd just like evidence he is a terrorist. Thanks.
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Let's say ACORN was infiltrated by feds who talked a few low-level guys into setting off a bomb. Is the guy who founded the company a terrorist by association? If you start a lawn care company, and 3 of your guys rob a bank on their lunch break, are you a bank robber too?
To me, ayers seems like a bag of shite. But proof of his direct involvement would be nice too. I never understood why he didn't go to jail.
Please refute Luke's points, and prove what Ayers did. I'm by no means sympathizing with ayers - I'd just like evidence he is a terrorist. Thanks.
FROM WIKIPEDIA - IN HER OWN WORDS 240
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Later radical history
A founder of the Weatherman group, Dohrn was a member of the "Weather Bureau" (name later changed to "Central Committee"). Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant who was with the Weatherman from autumn 1969 through spring 1970, considered her one of the two top leaders of the organization, along with Bill Ayers.[12]
During this period, the group organized the October 1969 Days of Rage riot in Chicago, which Dohrn led.[13] During the 1970s, the Weathermen bombed federal buildings and police stations.[14] Prior to the March 6, 1970 Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which three members of the group were killed as a bomb was being constructed, all members of Weatherman went underground. The group then changed its name to Weather Underground.
Dohrn went underground in early 1970, engaging in bombing activities. In a 1994 interview, Dohrn said that while the group carried out some bombings of buildings, it did not target people, and the group's actions were justified as a proper response to violent government actions: "We only did a couple, and they were carefully done. They involved property and were not meant to harm anybody. They were symbolic and done so that everyone would instantly recognize what was being said. It was 'armed propaganda'. Sure, it was violent, and it's hard to justify twenty years later, but it was extremely restrained and a highly appropriate response to the level of violence being rained nationally and internationally".[15]
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333386, You have just proven this Dohrn dude belongs in prison.
Where did he include Ayers? Also, aside from Dohrn's testimony - what other evidence is there that Ayers' action lead to dead people?
I'm not flaming - I have seen this artgument before on DU, and I honestly can't find a smoking gun of Ayers making or delivering a bomb. Only, "a group he was associated with..." Hell, I was a boy scout as a kid. If former boy scout decide to shoplift CDs from Walmart, am I guilty too?
Show us proof of ayers guilt. thank you.
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333386, You have just proven this Dohrn dude belongs in prison.
Where did he include Ayers? Also, aside from Dohrn's testimony - what other evidence is there that Ayers' action lead to dead people?
I'm not flaming - I have seen this artgument before on DU, and I honestly can't find a smoking gun of Ayers making or delivering a bomb. Only, "a group he was associated with..." Hell, I was a boy scout as a kid. If former boy scout decide to shoplift CDs from Walmart, am I guilty too?
Show us proof of ayers guilt. thank you.
Dohn is Ayeres' wife and co-founder of the group!
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Dohn is Ayeres' wife and co-founder of the group!
looks bad, to be sure! I'd like to hear Luke refute this point.
To play devils advocate, my wife got a speeding ticket last week, and I drive like an old lady.
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looks bad, to be sure! I'd like to hear Luke refute this point.
To play devils advocate, my wife got a speeding ticket last week, and I drive like an old lady.
Terrible analogy.
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Terrible analogy.
still, unless she said "hell yea my man helped plan it", it could very well be she was doing the dirt and he was just there for the good tang.
You can't just say the spouse is guilty for every crime his/her partner does.
yes, ayers seems like an un-american piece of crap - I don't want any bitchbags here thinking i'm defending him.
Rather, I would like to see direct proof of his guilt, and some explanation why he isn't in prison today.
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Radical history
Further information: Weatherman (organization)
Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[9] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang", Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.[7] The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Before the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[7] "During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously become a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant, Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.[10] In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[7] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.[11] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[12] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[12][13] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast, and in January 1972 it was moved to Chicago police headquarters.[14]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Larry Grathwohl, a Federal Bureau of Investigation informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, stated that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".[15]
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Just remember 240 - this was Obama's buddy.
Remember Obama's quote: "Judge me by those I surround myself with."
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Just remember 240 - this was Obama's buddy.
Remember Obama's quote: "Judge me by those I surround myself with."
So because an FBI snitch said Ayers did it, he's guilty?
What other evidence did they have?
Why didn't he go to prison, 33?
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No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
By DINITIA SMITH
Published: Tuesday, September 11, 2001
www.nyt.com
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.
Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.
''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''
But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.
''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''
Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.
Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''
He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.
In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''
''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.
Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.
Today, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, 59, who is director of the Legal Clinic's Children and Family Justice Center of Northwestern University, seem like typical baby boomers, caring for aging parents, suffering the empty-nest syndrome. Their son, Malik, 21, is at the University of California, San Diego; Zayd, 24, teaches at Boston University. They have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin's application for parole was rejected.
So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.
''I don't think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War,'' he said, and the fact that ''the enduring scar of racism was fully in flower.'' Mr. Ayers pointed to Bob Kerrey, former Democratic Senator from Nebraska, who has admitted leading a raid in 1969 in which Vietnamese women and children were killed. ''He committed an act of terrorism,'' Mr. Ayers said. ''I didn't kill innocent people.''
Mr. Ayers has always been known as a ''rich kid radical.'' His father, Thomas, now 86, was chairman and chief executive officer of Commonwealth Edison of Chicago, chairman of Northwestern University and of the Chicago Symphony. When someone mentions his father's prominence, Mr. Ayers is quick to say that his father did not become wealthy until the son was a teenager. He says that he got some of his interest in social activism from his father. He notes that his father promoted racial equality in Chicago and was acceptable as a mediator to Mayor Richard Daley and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in 1966 when King marched in Cicero, Ill., to protest housing segregation.
All in all, Mr. Ayers had ''a golden childhood,'' he said, though he did have a love affair with explosives. On July 4, he writes, ''my brothers and I loved everything about the wild displays of noise and color, the flares, the surprising candle bombs, but we trembled mostly for the Big Ones, the loud concussions.''
The love affair seems to have continued into adulthood. Even today, he finds ''a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance,'' he writes.
He attended Lake Forest Academy in Lake Forest, Ill., then the University of Michigan but dropped out to join Students for a Democratic Society.
In 1967 he met Ms. Dohrn in Ann Arbor, Mich. She had a law degree from the University of Chicago and was a magnetic speaker who often wore thigh-high boots and miniskirts. In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: ''Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.''
In Chicago recently, Ms. Dohrn said of her remarks: ''It was a joke. We were mocking violence in America. Even in my most inflamed moment I never supported a racist mass murderer.''
Ms. Dohrn, Mr. Ayers and others eventually broke with S.D.S. to form the more radical Weathermen, and in 1969 Ms. Dohrn was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer during the Days of Rage protests against the trial of the Chicago Eight -- antiwar militants accused of conspiracy to incite riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.
In 1970 came the town house explosion in Greenwich Village. Ms. Dohrn failed to appear in court in the Days of Rage case, and she and Mr. Ayers went underground, though there were no charges against Mr. Ayers. Later that spring the couple were indicted along with others in Federal Court for crossing state lines to incite a riot during the Days of Rage, and following that for ''conspiracy to bomb police stations and government buildings.'' Those charges were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.
During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century.
He also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to ''smash monogamy.'' The Weathermen were ''an army of lovers,'' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend.
''Fugitive Days'' does have moments of self-mockery, for instance when Mr. Ayers describes watching ''Underground,'' Emile De Antonio's 1976 documentary about the Weathermen. He was ''embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way,'' he writes. ''The rigidity and the narcissism.''
In the mid-1970's the Weathermen began quarreling. One faction, including Ms. Boudin, wanted to join the Black Liberation Army. Others, including Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers, favored surrendering. Ms. Boudin and Ms. Dohrn had had an intense friendship but broke apart. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn were purged from the group.
Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers had a son, Zayd, in 1977. After the birth of Malik, in 1980, they decided to surface. Ms. Dohrn pleaded guilty to the original Days of Rage charge, received three years probation and was fined $1,500. The Federal charges against Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn had already been dropped.
Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn tried to persuade Ms. Boudin to surrender because she was pregnant. But she refused, and went on to participate in the Brink's robbery. When she was arrested, Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers volunteered to care for Chesa, then 14 months old, and became his legal guardians.
A few months later Ms. Dohrn was called to testify about the robbery. Ms. Dohrn had not seen Ms. Boudin for a year, she said, and knew nothing of it. Ms. Dohrn was asked to give a handwriting sample, and refused, she said, because the F.B.I. already had one in its possession. ''I felt grand juries were illegal and coercive,'' she said. For refusing to testify, she was jailed for seven months, and she and Mr. Ayers married during a furlough.
Once again, Chesa was without a mother. ''It was one of the hardest things I did,'' said Ms. Dohrn of going to jail.
In the interview, Mr. Ayers called Chesa ''a very damaged kid.'' ''He had real serious emotional problems,'' he said. But after extensive therapy, ''became a brilliant and wonderful human being.'' .
After the couple surfaced, Ms. Dohrn tried to practice law, taking the bar exam in New York. But she was turned down by the Bar Association's character committee because of her political activities.
Ms. Dohrn said she was aware of the contradictions between her radical past and the comforts of her present existence. ''This is where we raised our kids and are taking care of our aging parents,'' she said. ''We could live much more simply, and well we might.''
And as for settling into marriage after efforts to smash monogamy, Ms. Dohrn said, ''You're always trying to balance your understanding of who you are and what you need, and your longing and imaginings of freedom.''
''Happily for me, Billy keeps me laughing, he keeps me growing,'' she said.
Mr. Ayers said he had some of the same conflicts about marriage. ''We have to learn how to be committed,'' he said, ''and hold out the possibility of endless reinventions.''
As Mr. Ayers mellows into middle age, he finds himself thinking about truth and reconciliation, he said. He would like to see a Truth and Reconciliation Commission about Vietnam, he said, like South Africa's. He can imagine Mr. Kerrey and Ms. Boudin taking part.
And if there were another Vietnam, he is asked, would he participate again in the Weathermen bombings?
By way of an answer, Mr. Ayers quoted from ''The Cure at Troy,'' Seamus Heaney's retelling of Sophocles' ''Philoctetes:'' '' 'Human beings suffer,/ They torture one another./ They get hurt and get hard.' ''
He continued to recite:
History says, Don't hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up
And hope and history rhyme.
Thinking back on his life , Mr. Ayers said, ''I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire. And hope and history rhymed.''
Photos: Bill Ayers at a student rally at the University of Michigan in 1968. (United Press International/Bettman, from ''The Way the Wind Blew'' by Ron Jacobs [Verso])(pg. E3); Above, Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, former members of the Weather Underground, a radical Vietnam-era group; inset, Mr. Ayers in a 1970 F.B.I. poster. (Top, Todd Buchanan for The New York Times; inset, Roz Payne Archives)(pg. E1)
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And you wonder why i detest Obama and everything he stands for?
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he set off bombs. yes, he belongs in jail for that. he is a terrorist by that defitinon.
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he set off bombs. yes, he belongs in jail for that. he is a terrorist by that defitinon.
So you now admit Palin was accurate during the campaign?
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So you now admit Palin was accurate during the campaign?
yes and no.
Obama used Ayers to secure funding and meet people needed to get his political career going. Right? But I dont konw what "palling means"? Associated - certainly!
"Palling around" - I dont know what that means. Palin spoke at alaskan separists' meetings, a group of which her hubby was a member for almost a decade. She gave them a lot of love.
Would you agree she palled around with separists?
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers
anyone want to defend this ?
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Would you agree she palled around with separists?
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Amazing.Ayers wishes he had done more.Admits to setting bombs and the stupid ass left wing jerkoffs say "he isnt a terrorist".Trent Lott they want taken to jail,but bombing is ok.
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers
''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said
Luke, 240,
Do either of you not know what the definition of "I" is ?
Anyone want to defend this ?
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Terrorist organizations are political by definition. Being the head of a radical left wing terrorist group that blew up several government buildings makes you a terrorist.
Luke you really should have yourself euthanized. Is assisted suicide legal in Ireland?
If not, I reccomend you drink a gallon of Drano and then lay across a major highway.
Can you developmentally challenged douchebags have one thread without mentioning George Bush?
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Luke, 240,
Do either of you not know what the definition of "I" is ?
Anyone want to defend this ?
LOL i tried already they obviously dont james
i posted one that said "we" but apparently thats not enough either...
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This is completely unbelieveable, how can anyone defend this piece of shit?
It's become all to apparent that the gene pool needs some clorox
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still, unless she said "hell yea my man helped plan it", it could very well be she was doing the dirt and he was just there for the good tang.
You can't just say the spouse is guilty for every crime his/her partner does.
yes, ayers seems like an un-american piece of crap - I don't want any bitchbags here thinking i'm defending him.
Rather, I would like to see direct proof of his guilt, and some explanation why he isn't in prison today.
LOL toe that line dousch bag toe that line
youre are defending him and the reason he isnt in prison is b/c the intel obtained to put him in prison was obtained through illegal manners. Does that mean the info wasnt correct? no it means he was a terrorist but b/c the info was thrown out he got away with it...
seriously 240 youre a total dousch i fully expect you to make a mons statement next about our troops.
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Once I saw that quote, I readily admitted that dude ayers is a terrorist. He used bombs to get his political means - terrorist, without a doubt. 333386 proved that.
33 won't answer the Q about Palin palling around with separists ;)
seriously 240 youre a total dousch i fully expect you to make a mons statement next about our troops.
I have no respect for anyone who disrespects our brave troops. Do not equate me to that shit - read my 5 years of posts - not a SINGLE anti-troop post. I think everyone here will back me on that. Don't paint me with that brush dude.
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Once I saw that quote, I readily admitted that dude ayers is a terrorist. He used bombs to get his political means - terrorist, without a doubt. 333386 proved that.
33 won't answer the Q about Palin palling around with separists ;)
I have no respect for anyone who disrespects our brave troops. Do not equate me to that shit - read my 5 years of posts - not a SINGLE anti-troop post. I think everyone here will back me on that. Don't paint me with that brush dude.
why even bring palin into this other then trying to make some moral equivalency?
LOL you defend this terrorist douche bag is it such a far jump?
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why even bring palin into this other then trying to make some moral equivalency?
LOL you defend this terrorist douche bag is it such a far jump?
I didn't defend shit, you non-reading silly child.
I asked what he did - specifically - after Luke said there wasn't that much of a case about him. 333386 clearly showed the man was indeed a terrorist. Then HE BROUGHT UP PALIN. Stop being a tool, tony.
i then asked him, since he brought her up - did she pal around with separists. 33 decided to log off then ;)
tony, you're wrong here. work on those reading skills
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Once I saw that quote, I readily admitted that dude ayers is a terrorist. He used bombs to get his political means - terrorist, without a doubt. 333386 proved that.
33 won't answer the Q about Palin palling around with separists ;)
I have no respect for anyone who disrespects our brave troops. Do not equate me to that shit - read my 5 years of posts - not a SINGLE anti-troop post. I think everyone here will back me on that. Don't paint me with that brush dude.
No she was not palling around with sepaartists. Thats utter nonsense to compare the two.
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I didn't defend shit, you non-reading silly child.
I asked what he did - specifically - after Luke said there wasn't that much of a case about him. 333386 clearly showed the man was indeed a terrorist. Then HE BROUGHT UP PALIN. Stop being a tool, tony.
i then asked him, since he brought her up - did she pal around with separists. 33 decided to log off then ;)
tony, you're wrong here. work on those reading skills
I had already proved it numb nut 3333 quoted the same link that I posted...
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...I get what his radicalism was about.
What I don't get is exactly what he did that makes him a "terrorist"?
Best as I can find, he wasn't directly involved in any of the terrorist activities... or was he? Anyone got a link?
I mean if he was just a firebrand member of some fringe group, and other members of this group went as far as terrorism... does that make him guilty by association?
The Luke
Are you really this dumb?
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I didn't defend shit, you non-reading silly child.
I asked what he did - specifically - after Luke said there wasn't that much of a case about him. 333386 clearly showed the man was indeed a terrorist. Then HE BROUGHT UP PALIN. Stop being a tool, tony.
i then asked him, since he brought her up - did she pal around with separists. 33 decided to log off then ;)
tony, you're wrong here. work on those reading skills
I had to go extend a mechanic's lien by Court Order at 60 Centre Street in Manhattan, you know where the scene from the Godfather was made and Law and Oder is filmed?
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No she was not palling around with sepaartists. Thats utter nonsense to compare the two.
her husband was a member of a party whose main platform goal was separation from the USA.
She spoke at their event as governor in 2006 and gave them glowing reviews for everything they're doing for alaska.
That's not palling around, huh? ;) ;) ;)
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333386,
did Sarah Palin associate with Akaskan Separists - yes or no?
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333386,
did Sarah Palin associate with Akaskan Separists - yes or no?
Does she know them, yes?
Did she sit on boards with them? - no
Did she run a program with them? - no
Did she have then gghost write her book? - no
Your analogy is a lie and distortion that does not work.
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Does she know them, yes?
Did she sit on boards with them? - no
Did she run a program with them? - no
Did she have then gghost write her book? - no
Your analogy is a lie and distortion that does not work.
Did she speak at one of their events? Yes.
Was she married to a long-time member? Yes.
Did she travel to at least 1 of their events? yes.
Sorry dude, if you marry someone from the KKK, attend KKK events, and even speak at a KKK rally with the title governor..... then YES- you are certainly associated with Klansmen.
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Did she speak at one of their events? Yes.
Was she married to a long-time member? Yes.
Did she travel to at least 1 of their events? yes.
Sorry dude, if you marry someone from the KKK, attend KKK events, and even speak at a KKK rally with the title governor..... then YES- you are certainly associated with Klansmen.
So then EVERY democrat in the senate is associated with the KLAN because Robert Byrd was a kleagal for the Klan.Which means a recruiter ,which means just about every sentance he uttered ended with the N word.
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Did she speak at one of their events? Yes.
Was she married to a long-time member? Yes.
Did she travel to at least 1 of their events? yes.
Sorry dude, if you marry someone from the KKK, attend KKK events, and even speak at a KKK rally with the title governor..... then YES- you are certainly associated with Klansmen.
Fine, then Obama is associated with terrorists and racists.
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Guess what 240..despite ur mumbling bullshit..this thread is about Ayers...not fucking Palin. This guy is a buddy of ur fucking worthless piece of shit president. He doesn't get a capital p because he doesn't deserve it. Luke ur research skills suck.
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Fine, then Obama is associated with terrorists and racists.
Is palin associated with that separist group?
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Guess what 240..despite ur mumbling bullshit..this thread is about Ayers...not fucking Palin. This guy is a buddy of ur fucking worthless piece of shit president. He doesn't get a capital p because he doesn't deserve it. Luke ur research skills suck.
i agree ayers in terrorist POS. I have never looked at his story - 33 shared it, and the guy used bombs for political gain - it's cut and dry.
33 brought up palin - I did not.
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Is palin associated with that separist group?
Are ALL democrats in the senate associated with the Klan?
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Fine, then Obama is associated with terrorists and racists.
33 admitting palin has faults too? Something isnt right here :o
break time. go grab some lunch, smoke a joint and lets all come back with a clear head.
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33 admitting palin has faults too? Something isnt right here :o
break time. go grab some lunch, smoke a joint and lets all come back with a clear head.
I have said time and time again she has many faults.
However, her faults IMHO do not outwigh the good points and certainly far less troubling to me than the faults of Obama.
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i agree ayers in terrorist POS. I have never looked at his story - 33 shared it, and the guy used bombs for political gain - it's cut and dry.
33 brought up palin - I did not.
ARE YOU FUKING SERIOUS, after all the palin bull shit stories you posted on here you never once looked into obama and ayers?
here some more news about your messiah 240 he sat in a racist church for 20 yrs let me know if you need me to prove that to you as well
fuking tool you are 240
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I have said time and time again she has many faults.
Are her past associations with a party whose major goal was to leave the USA one of these faults?
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ARE YOU FUKING SERIOUS, after all the palin bull shit stories you posted on here you never once looked into obama and ayers?
Ayers seemed like a d-bag. I never really looked into it, no. I heard he was a terrorist and believed it. I read luke's words today, and wondered why Ayers never went to prison. Nobody has answered that. however, since ayers admitted bombing, he's clearly a terrorist in my eyes.
I dont start palin BS stories, and haven't in months. 33 brought him up in this thread, sweetheart.
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Are her past associations with a party whose major goal was to leave the USA one of these faults?
No worse than Obama's, which are ok by you.
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ARE YOU FUKING SERIOUS, after all the palin bull shit stories you posted on here you never once looked into obama and ayers?
here some more news about your messiah 240 he sat in a racist church for 20 yrs let me know if you need me to prove that to you as well
fuking tool you are 240
can i borrow some adderall from you man?
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Ayers seemed like a d-bag. I never really looked into it, no. I heard he was a terrorist and believed it. I read luke's words today, and wondered why Ayers never went to prison. Nobody has answered that. however, since ayers admitted bombing, he's clearly a terrorist in my eyes.
I dont start palin BS stories, and haven't in months. 33 brought him up in this thread, sweetheart.
how about wright 240 you need us to prove that wright is racist and obama sat in his church for 20 yrs ::)
face it brutal double standards you have
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can i borrow some adderall from you man?
I wish i had some bro, normally i decent with attention span but at times i have trouble
i had to take a test last night and this dude i SWEAR couldnt go 5 secs with sniffling or snorting I wanted to rip his fuking head off.
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I wish i had some bro, normally i decent with attention span but at times i have trouble
i had to take a test last night and this dude i SWEAR couldnt go 5 secs with sniffling or snorting I wanted to rip his fuking head off.
youre in the zone today. I thought u might be supplementing with a little pick-me-up.
natural talent you got there, mugsy :)
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youre in the zone today. I thought u might be supplementing with a little pick-me-up.
natural talent you got there, mugsy :)
hahaha ive taken adderal once in my life i sat in front of the tv and read a fishing magazine...............I HATE FUKING FISHING LOL :D
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Ayers seemed like a d-bag. I never really looked into it, no. I heard he was a terrorist and believed it. I read luke's words today, and wondered why Ayers never went to prison. Nobody has answered that. however, since ayers admitted bombing, he's clearly a terrorist in my eyes.
...he was using a collective generalised "we".
He has never openly admitted DIRECT involvement, only membership of the group.
The Luke
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...he was using a collective generalised "we".
He has never openly admitted DIRECT involvement, only membership of the group.
The Luke
Read the articles I posted you dunce.
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...he was using a collective generalised "we".
He has never openly admitted DIRECT involvement, only membership of the group.
The Luke
By your pathetic standards Bin Laden isn't a terrorist either. Man, we have some dumb fucks on this board.
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By your pathetic standards Bin Laden isn't a terrorist either. Man, we have some dumb fucks on this board.
Exactly. Luke is probably one of the smarter sounding idiots on this board. 240 admits he is spinster, but Luke really believes his nonsense, which is probably more frightening than anything.
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By your pathetic standards Bin Laden isn't a terrorist either. Man, we have some dumb fucks on this board.
Of course bin laden is a terrorist. but there are times when eveidence isn't there. he isn't wanted for 911. At all. Nope. it's true. 8 years after the events, and he's only wanted for the Cole bombing - fbi website has other guys wanted for 911... nothing on osama, oddly
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Of course bin laden is a terrorist. but there are times when eveidence isn't there. he isn't wanted for 911. At all. Nope. it's true. 8 years after the events, and he's only wanted for the Cole bombing - fbi website has other guys wanted for 911... nothing on osama, oddly
Osama admitted to 9/11. I guess that is not enough for you and luke.
Im serious 240 - you two must be twins.
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240 you are a brainless scumbag, yet somehow without a brain you manage to post on an internet message board. The evidence of you not having a brain is quite obvious and evident, yet people without brains are clinically dead and cannot type messages on the internet.
Quite an odd occurrence indeed.
Perhaps there are other similarities between you and Bin Laden.
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Of course bin laden is a terrorist. but there are times when eveidence isn't there.
youre right like any of those idiotic palin rumors you ran around here spouting off as truth...
yet ayers and wright you find disputable huh? hmmmm something fishy coming from a libertarian or wait is it a conservative? youve gone back and forth about 10 times a day....Ive got it, youre neither just an everyday run of the mill liberal
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youre right like any of those idiotic palin rumors you ran around here spouting off as truth...
yet ayers and wright you find disputable huh? hmmmm something fishy coming from a libertarian or wait is it a conservative? youve gone back and forth about 10 times a day....Ive got it, youre neither just an everyday run of the mill liberal
240 - is the typical left wing dolt who supports the entire left wing agenda other than gun control.
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He didn't know Ayers was married to "that dohrn dude". 240 would u please pick up a book.
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Osama admitted to 9/11. I guess that is not enough for you and luke.
...don't Arab speakers cast doubt on whether the person on that particular videotape actually is Bin Laden?
The Luke
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No..Bin Laden had Ahmad Shah Massoud killed the day before 9-11 knowing full well...oh wait ur an expert u know who Massoud is. In any event that was Bin laden.
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No..Bin Laden had Ahmad Shah Massoud killed the day before 9-11 knowing full well...oh wait ur an expert u know who Massoud is. In any event that was Bin laden.
I don't see the connection? What relevance does this have to the videotape?
The Luke
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Well Luke if u knew anything about anything dealing with 9-11 Bin laden..Afghanistan...wor ld terrorism..or really anything u wouldn't be asking that question.
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I don't need to explain to u buddy..u know everything, certainly more then me, Kazan, Skip, 3...Tony...or any of the other folks on this board. U tell me why it might be connected.
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Well Luke if u knew anything about anything dealing with 9-11 Bin laden..Afghanistan...wor ld terrorism..or really anything u wouldn't be asking that question.
Well Luke if u knew anything about anything dealing with 9-11 Bin laden..Afghanistan...wor ld terrorism..or really anything u wouldn't be asking that question.
...double-posting?
Two evasions don't add up to an answer?
The Luke
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Ah Luke..u seem to think we're all stupid and ur the smart one. U were wrong about Sparta, wrong about the war thread, and u have no idea what i'm talking about. If u knew anything about Bin Laden or 9-11, u would easily know who Ahmad Shah Massoud is. I'm purposely playing stump the chump because ur a pompous ass and think ur superior to the rest of us dim Americans's.
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Ah Luke..u seem to think we're all stupid and ur the smart one. U were wrong about Sparta, wrong about the war thread, and u have no idea what i'm talking about. If u knew anything about Bin Laden or 9-11, u would easily know who Ahmad Shah Massoud is. I'm purposely playing stump the chump because ur a pompous ass and think ur superior to the rest of us dim Americans's.
Epic projection.
I'm not arguing that Bin Laden wasn't behind 9/11... I'm just pointing out that his supposed admittance to having organised 9/11 is considered suspect in the Arab world.
Many Arabic speaking people doubt that the person in the video claiming responsibility doesn't really sound or look like Bin Laden... just saying.
There seems to be a common thread in these debates, that the FOX News watching Palin-voters believe a lot of things on faith... Bill Ayers is branded an "admitted terrorist", but when drawn on the issue, these same Palin-voters eventually admit to the somewhat less salacious reality.
But whenever you guys are pushed to admit the reality behind your adamant assertions... then suddenly the person pointing out the reality is anti-American etc etc
It's pretty sad.
The Luke
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Luke: I say this without anuy reservation:
You are the most uninformed, idiotic, ignorant, misguided, self deluded poster on this site.
I used to think it was mons, but you take the prize for being the dumbest poster on getbig.
Your ignorance on almost every topic is staggering.
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Luke: I say this without anuy reservation:
You are the most uninformed, idiotic, ignorant, misguided, self deluded poster on this site.
I used to think it was mons, but you take the prize for being the dumbest poster on getbig.
Your ignorance on almost every topic is staggering.
...I'd put my credentials against yours any day.
Besides, judging by your posting history it seems I've just won this argument... you only resort to ad hominems when you have either obviously backed yourself into untenable logic or can't think of a counter argument.
I accept your concession.
The Luke
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...I'd put my credentials against yours any day.
Besides, judging by your posting history it seems I've just won this argument... you only resort to ad hominems when you have either obviously backed yourself into untenable logic or can't think of a counter argument.
I accept your concession.
The Luke
How can we even have a discussion when your deluded mind cant even bring itself to accept the fact that Bill Ayers is a self confessed domestic terrorist?
I posted the NYT article which Ayers himself admitted to being part of the bombings and terrorism of the weather underground. Yet, somehow in that pea sized brain of yours you still think he was not a terrorist? Too many Guinesses on your part pal. Time to sober up.
Are you claiming that the NYT made up his quotes? Are you claiming this is all a fiction that only your brilliant mind has figured out?
Excuse me if I have difficulties in understanding how one can claim Ayers is not a terrorist when he himself admitted to multiple bombings, attacks, etc.
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No..Bin Laden had Ahmad Shah Massoud killed the day before 9-11 knowing full well...oh wait ur an expert u know who Massoud is. In any event that was Bin laden.
HH6 dont bother - some of us actually know history. They are completely aware who that was and the execution that took place of the NA commander right before 9/11 at Bin Ladens' order.
Im sure the twins here will spin that into bushs' fault as well.
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Are you claiming that the NYT made up his quotes? Are you claiming this is all a fiction that only your brilliant mind has figured out?
Ayers claims he was misqoted (swapped context).
If he is the "domestic terrorist" you claim he is, then why was he never prosecuted? Never prosecuted despite huge politcal pressure to make an example of him?
Could it be because the Weather Underground was rife with agent provocaters?
Fact: He was never prosecuted or jailed.
Fact: He has only admitted to politically motivated vandalism.
Fact: Those actally within the Weather Underground claim he was never directly involved in any violence and made continuous attempts to restrain the more militant factions within the group.
Why can't you stick to the facts? Mis-branding is dishonest.
Your assertions do not form reality. You just wish they did.
The Luke
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... you only resort to ad hominems when you have either obviously backed yourself into untenable logic or can't think of a counter argument.
The Luke
Yes, ad-hom attacks Luke. Your specialty
What most Irish (even most Europeans) notice about America is how chronically fucked up it is... how corrupt... how wasteful... but mostly just how dumb and deluded most Americans are.
The Luke
This suckmymuscle character is a gimmick right?
No one is this dumb...
The Luke
... guess you just can't fix stoopid.
The Luke
...and it seems GetBiggers aren't that smart.
The Luke
Need I really go on...?
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Epic projection.
The Luke
No, you definitely hate America.
It's America that is fucked up,
The Luke
... the US is now a drain on the world economy.
Wake up you imbeciles.
The Luke
Need I really go on...?
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Luke,
Ayers was a confounder and leader of the Weather Underground. I don't know if you'll get this reference (being Irish), but Charles Manson never actually killed anybody himself. And, surprisingly, one of his many claims was that he tried to "restrain" his militant members.
I'll dumb it down for you. A godfather does not actually have to pull the trigger to still be culpable of murder.
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Oh boy, I stop in for a read and see people defending Bill Ayers. Hahaha, man oh man. A new low.
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Luke,
Ayers was a confounder and leader of the Weather Underground. I don't know if you'll get this reference (being Irish), but Charles Manson never actually killed anybody himself. And, surprisingly, one of his many claims was that he tried to "restrain" his militant members.
I'll dumb it down for you. A godfather does not actually have to pull the trigger to still be culpable of murder.
...that typo reads like you're making my point.
But I digress, Manson is in jail till the end of time. Ayers was never prosecuted.
I think you guys are blowing some politcail statement vandalism out of all proportion.
David Koresh is usually termed a cult-leader, but he was much closer to being a terrorist in a direct sense than Ayers ever was.
Sure, Ayers "palled around with terrorists" but I think he falls short of the classification himself. Could it be you guys want him to be a terrorist fo your own political motives?
The Luke
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If he is the "domestic terrorist" you claim he is, then why was he never prosecuted? Never prosecuted despite huge politcal pressure to make an example of him?
Could it be because the Weather Underground was rife with agent provocaters?
The Luke
No, they were NOT provoked. The investigators used illegal tactics to obtain their evidence. The police misconduct may justify dismissing the prosecution, but it doesn't exonerate Bill Ayers.
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Luke= Would be defending Muslim terrorists if they raped and beheaded his own mother because her decision to eat at McDonald's helps prop up corporate America and encourages Bush administration imperialism.
Ladies and Gentlemen, what we are witnessing in this thread is liberal delusional psychosis at it's worst and most pathetic. I think it's safe to say people who spend their time looking for big foot and defending Bill Ayers are deserving of our support and a straight jacket. So, lets be nice to Luke and try to support him. Mental illness is a serious issue and should not be met with unsympathetic jabs and insults.
Yes Luke- You made a very intelligent point. All of us are proud of you! Have you considered telling others outside of Getbig your brilliant ideas?
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Sure thing Luke..again u had no idea what i was talking about..much like u had no idea what Skip or 3 were talking about in the war thread..none. U were wrong about Sparta and ur wrong here. Plus ur defending Ayers..another guy u have no idea about. We'll put all our credentials against urs anyday. Koresh..what did Koresh do...Koresh should have been arrested when he was away from his property...instead Reno used some heavy handed bullshit and got alot of people hurt. I love how u call us all idiots and then ignore our posts. Ayers wasn't arrested because for whatever reason the FBI screwed up the case. How dare some shitbag from a foreign country thats doesn't matter, lecture us.
Goddam u people...i want to filled in on the Bigfoot thing
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Goddam u people...i want to filled in on the Bigfoot thing
Lol. Here you go buddy...
Adonis, seriously dude, I went broke trapsing across North America looking for a mythical animal...
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No, they were NOT provoked. The investigators used illegal tactics to obtain their evidence. The police misconduct may justify dismissing the prosecution, but it doesn't exonerate Bill Ayers.
...I think you missed the meaning of agent provacateurs.
America has a long history of mass arrests among radical groups justified by the actions of a small fifth column in the group which invariably turn out to be police/governemt agents.
It's happening with the G20 anti-gobalisation protestors today... the rock-throwers have been filmed changing back into their riot police uniforms for example.
You guys are too quick to accept these designations. It's black/white, them/us, good/evil simplistic dichotomy indoctrination.
I just don't buy into it.
The Luke
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...I think you missed the meaning of agent provacateurs.
America has a long history of mass arrests among radical groups justified by the actions of a small fifth column in the group which invariably turn out to be police/governemt agents.
It's happening with the G20 anti-gobalisation protestors today... the rock-throwers have been filmed changing back into their riot police uniforms for example.
You guys are too quick to accept these designations. It's black/white, them/us, good/evil simplistic dichotomy indoctrination.
I just don't buy into it.
The Luke
Look I know that shit being blown up is a common occurance in Ireland, but no so much in America.
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...I think you missed the meaning of agent provacateurs.
America has a long history of mass arrests among radical groups justified by the actions of a small fifth column in the group which invariably turn out to be police/governemt agents.
It's happening with the G20 anti-gobalisation protestors today... the rock-throwers have been filmed changing back into their riot police uniforms for example.
You guys are too quick to accept these designations. It's black/white, them/us, good/evil simplistic dichotomy indoctrination.
I just don't buy into it.
The Luke
No, I get your point perfectly, you just can't back it up with fact. Here's a portion of a statement made by the lead Federal prosecutor:
"I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of "prosecutorial misconduct." It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director."
William C. Ibershof
There's absolutely NOTHING to indicate that if the group was infiltrated by policing agents, that those agents did anything to incite any type of violence.
By the way, it's "provocateurs", not "provacateurs", it's "government", not "governemt", and it's "protesters", not "protestors".
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“Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country.”
Wanna guess who said that?
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There's absolutely NOTHING to indicate that if the group was infiltrated by policing agents, that those agents did anything to incite any type of violence.
I doubt the Weathermen were the only radical group that were NOT infiltrated. Every other group at the time, even those less high profile, were systematically infiltrated.
Let me explian something for purely elucidatory purposes, France is the capital of protest.
The French often have millions of people on the street protesting their very far left, very socialist, very radical agenda: they are anti-rich, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-corporations, anti-everything capitalist really, and it happens just about whenever they feel like it.
Yet the French practically NEVER have any violence during such protests; practically never have any property damage... all very civilised really.
Yet every time a lare group protests a government with a history of justifyng severe reactionary crackdowns by means of agent provocateurs, suddenly these organised unidentified militants appear and quickly escalate the situation; forcing a police reaction.
A good example is the current crop of hooded/masked exceedingly confrontational protestors wearing the exact same military issue boots as the riot police at the G20 and G8 meetings.
Why are only the American and British anti-gobalization protestors so violent? CIA and MI5 perhaps?
Think about that in terms of the Weather Underground... who was doing all this illegal wire-tapping; mail interception etc etc... infiltrators perhaps?
The Luke
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No wonder you are derailing this thread. Skip again exposed you for being a long-worded dunce who is entirely devoid of factual understanding, logic, reason, and common sense.
I will ask you again - are all the quotes attributed to ayeres admitting guilt fabricated?
Additionally, the only difference between vandalism and murder is a matter of people being in the vicinity of the bombs when they exploded.
Under your tortured reasoning, McVeigh would only have been guilty of vandalism but for the deaths in the building. Had the building been empty, it would have only been vandalism according to your reasoning.
What a joke you are.
P.S. please run spell check on your posts. Your spelling and grammar mistakes are very distracting.
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Oh god- Luke your ignorance is so pervasive it's comedic. If you weren't so fucking stupid I would take the time to debate you, but its really a total waste of time. In the past three years I can think of at least 3 times where there have been violent riots in the streets of France that started off as "peaceful" protests by college students and other anti government elements. In addition, in the past year alone there have been violent anti government demonstrations in Greece and across South+Central America. I suppose the governments of all those countries also escalated everything and the violent criminals involved in these demonstrations were just minding their own business when they decided to attack the police, set things on fire and flip cars over.
Since your such an internet intellectual, do some research into the leftist radical groups of the 60' and 70's based in part out of France that were responsible for several bombings, murders and acts of terror across Europe ( especially in France).
The same radical leftist organizations I am referring to worked closely with several Muslim terrorist groups including the PLO- and shared both money and resources with one another.
But then again... Why am I telling you this? Most phony internet geniuses are aware of all this stuff already.
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We don't have a long history Luke..and we'd all like to see ur proof...real proof. In American we call people like u..full of shit. The Left is full of them. I don't care about France..and the Arab a burnt the place down a few years ago.
I just completed a paper on the French in Algeria and their heavy handed tactics at home and in Algeria in dealing with the media among other things...they shot protestors Luke...shot em. I think GW has done enough to crush ur last ridiculous post.
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Under your tortured reasoning, McVeigh would only have been guilty of vandalism but for the deaths in the building. Had the building been empty, it would have only been vandalism according to your reasoning.
Enough said.
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We don't have a long history Luke..and we'd all like to see ur proof...real proof. In American we call people like u..full of shit. The Left is full of them. I don't care about France..and the Arab a burnt the place down a few years ago.
I just completed a paper on the French in Algeria and their heavy handed tactics at home and in Algeria in dealing with the media among other things...they shot protestors Luke...shot em. I think GW has done enough to crush ur last ridiculous post.
This thread is hysterical. Luke will go to whatever lengths to defend, apologize for, explain away, anything that Ayeres and his terrorist wife did. However, he will reflexively bash Palin and consider her lower than a terrorist like Ayers.
This is why Luke gets the prize for the dumbest poster on Getbig. His ignorance, stupidity, insanity, and empty rhetoric eclipses even that of Mons or some of the others.
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P.S. please run spell check on your posts. Your spelling and grammar mistakes are very distracting.
Lol. I was just busting his balls for giving me shit about, "confounded". Too funny.
I'm out for the night.
Luke, I live in the northeast. If I come across any mythical creatures, I'll be sure to let you know. :D
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Lol. I was just busting his balls for giving me shit about, "confounded". Too funny.
I'm out for the night.
Luke, I live in the northeast. If I come across any mythical creatures, I'll be sure to let you know. :D
I live in an Irish neighborhood in the Bronx. Believe me, at 2 a.m. some of those drunk slobs would easily be mistaken for what Luke is looking for.
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In the past three years I can think of at least 3 times where there have been violent riots in the streets of France that started off as "peaceful" protests by college students and other anti government elements.
...weren't those riots originally protests against the G20 and G8 (ie: the governments that engage in this agent provocateur technique)? Doesn't that make MY point?
Protests against the French government seldom if ever result in violence... protests against the banks; British and American goverments somehow always do. Haven't you guys noticed this?
In addition, in the past year alone there have been violent anti government demonstrations in Greece and across South+Central America.
...neither of those are in France, so it's not a valid criticism of my point, just a tangential statement.
Since your such an internet intellectual, do some research into the leftist radical groups of the 60' and 70's based in part out of France that were responsible for several bombings, murders and acts of terror across Europe ( especially in France).
The same radical leftist organizations I am referring to worked closely with several Muslim terrorist groups including the PLO- and shared both money and resources with one another.
...I was discussing France in the present tense, so that's not a valid criticism either.
I'm aware of the groups you are referring to. I don't see how any of that is relevant to my point.
We don't have a long history Luke..and we'd all like to see ur proof...real proof. In American we call people like u..full of shit. The Left is full of them. I don't care about France..and the Arab a burnt the place down a few years ago.
I just completed a paper on the French in Algeria and their heavy handed tactics at home and in Algeria in dealing with the media among other things...they shot protestors Luke...shot em. I think GW has done enough to crush ur last ridiculous post.
...again, I was referring to present day France, check the tenses.
I don't get your argument. Protestors in the US were shot too.
You guys need to read more carefully, I'm open to discussion regarding the points I make... but we're wasting our time if I'm continuously attacked on points I didn't make.
The Luke
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http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/06/obama-friend-domestic-terrorist-bill.html#more
Unreal
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Clearly this board was more fun back in 2009.