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Proposals to create jobs add up to second stimulus
ap ^ | 10/08/09 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:23:04 PM by Typical_Whitey
WASHINGTON — Confronted with big job losses and no sign the U.S. economy is ready to stand on its own, Democrats are working on a growing list of relief efforts, leaving for later how to pay for them, or whether even to bother.
Proposals include extending and perhaps expanding a popular tax credit for first-time home buyers, and creating a new credit for companies that add jobs. Taken together, the proposals look a lot like another economic stimulus package, though congressional leaders don't want to call it that.
Democratic leaders in Congress and the White House say they have no appetite for another big spending package that adds to the federal budget deficit, which hit a record $1.4 trillion for the budget year that ended last week.
But with unemployment reaching nearly 10 percent, many lawmakers are feeling pressure to act. Some of the proposals come from the Republicans' playbook and focus on tax cuts, even though they, too, would swell the deficit.
"We have to do something for the unemployed, politically and economically," said Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.
The House already has voted to extend unemployment benefits an additional 13 weeks for laid off workers in the 27 states where the jobless rate is 8.5 percent or above. Senate Democrats reached a deal Thursday to extend the benefits an additional 14 weeks in every state. Both proposals are paid for by extending a federal unemployment tax.
Also on the table: extending subsidies for laid-off workers to help them keep the health insurance their former employers provided, known as COBRA. The current program, which covers workers laid off through the end of the year, costs nearly $25 billion.
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As if the 1st one wasnt bad enough.
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"Taken together, the proposals look a lot like another economic stimulus package, though congressional leaders don't want to call it that. "
What is their total price tag, and what was the total price tag of Stim Bill 1?
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"Taken together, the proposals look a lot like another economic stimulus package, though congressional leaders don't want to call it that. "
What is their total price tag, and what was the total price tag of Stim Bill 1?
$787 Billion.
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Stil bill #1 was 787 billion?
Or the combined second group is 787 billion?
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Stil bill #1 was 787 billion?
Or the combined second group is 787 billion?
That was the cost of The Democrats Stim.
That does not include TARP, The AIG Bailouts, GM & Chrysler, Fannie & Freddy, etc.
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"Taken together, the proposals look a lot like another economic stimulus package, though congressional leaders don't want to call it that. "
What is their total price tag, and what was the total price tag of Stim Bill 1?
does it fucking matter? the first stimulus was supposed to turn it all around 240 are you ready to admit it was a failure? it seems that if another stimulus is being talked about they arent to happy with the results from the first one.
the first stimulus simply kicked the can further down the road like many of us said it would do and many of you and your liberal buddies disagreed with...
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does it fucking matter? the first stimulus was supposed to turn it all around 240 are you ready to admit it was a failure? it seems that if another stimulus is being talked about they arent to happy with the results from the first one.
the first stimulus simply kicked the can further down the road like many of us said it would do and many of you and your liberal buddies disagreed with...
240 and i argued hourly over that. I told him exactly what would happen and you could go back and review my posts on the Stimulus Bill and what a sham it was. 240 insisted it would CREATE 4 million jobs.
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does it fucking matter?
Well, yes.
If the repubs are calling $1 billion in new spending a STIMULUS PART TWO, they're being dramatic crybabies. That's just more lib-happy spending.
However, if Obama introduces 500 Bil in new spending, you bet your ass that's a STIM BILL II.
So, if 333386 and his article believe we have a second stim bill on our hands, they should be able to give a ballpark for how much $ the new spending will be.
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240 and i argued hourly over that. I told him exactly what would happen and you could go back and review my posts on the Stimulus Bill and what a sham it was. 240 insisted it would CREATE 4 million jobs.
LOL i remember him babbling about shovel ready jobs etc. etc...
no pork blah blah blah
whats just stupid as all get out is he still refuses to see it as the failure it is instead opting to use the rise in the stock market as his proof its working.
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Well, yes.
If the repubs are calling $1 billion in new spending a STIMULUS PART TWO, they're being dramatic crybabies. That's just more lib-happy spending.
However, if Obama introduces 500 Bil in new spending, you bet your ass that's a STIM BILL II.
So, if 333386 and his article believe we have a second stim bill on our hands, they should be able to give a ballpark for how much $ the new spending will be.
THERE DOESNT NEED TO BE ANYMORE FUCKIING SPENDING....its not helping get that shit through your thick ass skull.
what makes you think this 2nd stim will be anymore effective than the 1st one?
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Why don't they cut the corporate tax rate for business so we can attract more companies here and allow more companies to hire workers?
The temporary stimulus funds have done a very minimal amount, certainly not nearly enough to justify almost 800 billion dollars of our tax money.
You can't create growth by giving temporary stimulus to the poor.
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As we've stated a thousand times. They must cut spending. The liberals in the current congress just won't do it.
Bush blew it too. We need less government spending overall.
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If we're in shit after 18 months, which is the time period obama said it would take, I'll admit it failed.
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THERE DOESNT NEED TO BE ANYMORE FUCKIING SPENDING....its not helping get that shit through your thick ass skull.
what makes you think this 2nd stim will be anymore effective than the 1st one?
I never said a 2nd stim bill would be a good idea. I think it would be a terrible idea.
I never said there needs to be more spending. Please remove that imaginary boogie man in your mind that said 240 supports it - cause I do not.
I merely asked for the numbers to prove a second bill is in the works. Nobody here can provide them, so I'm just gonna guess we're hearing "Stim bill two!" to piss people off without any evidence.
Kinda getting to be par for course for those 333386 threads lately :( He'll fire off a half-baked theory and call it news, and tonymctones will show up to attack on a tangental assumption he just created.
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I never said a 2nd stim bill would be a good idea. I think it would be a terrible idea.
I never said there needs to be more spending. Please remove that imaginary boogie man in your mind that said 240 supports it - cause I do not.
I merely asked for the numbers to prove a second bill is in the works. Nobody here can provide them, so I'm just gonna guess we're hearing "Stim bill two!" to piss people off without any evidence.
Kinda getting to be par for course for those 333386 threads lately :( He'll fire off a half-baked theory and call it news, and tonymctones will show up to attack on a tangental assumption he just created.
You and Luke are Twin Brothers.
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You and Luke are Twin Brothers.
WTF?
You made a statement that obama i doing stim bill 2.
i asked you how much $ he plans to spend.
You insult me. Sounds like you have no clue how much the new spending will be.
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WTF?
You made a statement that obama i doing stim bill 2.
i asked you how much $ he plans to spend.
You insult me. Sounds like you have no clue how much the new spending will be.
The article states that the democrats in congress plan on it. Additionally this is just popping up so we dont have all the figures yet, but you can bet anything it will be in the many billions.
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The article states that the democrats in congress plan on it. Additionally this is just popping up so we dont have all the figures yet, but you can bet anything it will be in the many billions.
There are idiots in both parties planning on all sorts of dumb shit.
Until we have numbers and proposals, this is nothing more than right-wing 'what if', while your subject line sure makes it sounds like you can back that up. Which you can/t.
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There are idiots in both parties planning on all sorts of dumb shit.
Until we have numbers and proposals, this is nothing more than right-wing 'what if', while your subject line sure makes it sounds like you can back that up. Which you can/t.
the idea that its even being comtemplated is assinine...
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There are idiots in both parties planning on all sorts of dumb shit.
Until we have numbers and proposals, this is nothing more than right-wing 'what if', while your subject line sure makes it sounds like you can back that up. Which you can/t.
The Associated Press is right wing?
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the idea that its even being comtemplated is assinine...
agreed 100%.
However, until Obama says "hey everyone, this is my new stim bill", i'll take it as fringe BS talk like we see all the time.
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agreed 100%.
However, until Obama says "hey everyone, this is my new stim bill", i'll take it as fringe BS talk like we see all the time.
LOL i like how you give him the benefit of the doubt on everything i mean after all he has earned it ::)
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agreed 100%.
However, until Obama says "hey everyone, this is my new stim bill", i'll take it as fringe BS talk like we see all the time.
This is from the dems in congress and the article is from the AP.
Are they fringe right wing?
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This is from the dems in congress and the article is from the AP.
Are they fringe right wing?
sounds like this writer taking this huge assumption to right-wing talking points.
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sounds like this writer taking this huge assumption to right-wing talking points.
hmmm sounds funny coming from somebody who takes the dailykos and the nat enq at their word
I guess youre right though 240 they like obama have earned the benefit of the doubt
the AP ya they are right wing spin machines
hmmmm
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youre shouting abut a second stim bill, without any numbers ot back it up.
it's that simple. I too hate the idea of a second stim bill - but I see this as pre-emptive whining. And repubs have done enough whining for the last year. Sac the fvck up already.
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youre shouting abut a second stim bill, without any numbers ot back it up.
it's that simple. I too hate the idea of a second stim bill - but I see this as pre-emptive whining. And repubs have done enough whining for the last year. Sac the fvck up already.
LOL this coming from the palin rumor mill ::) ;D
only on fuking getbig ;)
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youre shouting abut a second stim bill, without any numbers ot back it up.
it's that simple. I too hate the idea of a second stim bill - but I see this as pre-emptive whining. And repubs have done enough whining for the last year. Sac the fvck up already.
Hysterical 240 - you and Luke were separated at birth.
You were dead wrong about the effects of Stim 1, and i turned out to be correct, and you are going to lecture Tony and MYSELF?
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Hey man, you claim it's stim bill 2, and you don't have any numbers. It's that simple.
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Hey man, you claim it's stim bill 2, and you don't have any numbers. It's that simple.
they came up with the idea of a stimulus long before they had a number 240
wise the fuck up and pull that obama dildo out of your ass