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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: jtsunami on October 10, 2009, 09:50:37 PM
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Ok guys I was thinking about getting the tren and I might do that tren E route. Also I was thinking of trying out masteron and or primo to add to my test cycle. Btw the test cycle I am on now is 1500 mg a week. So I want to add one of these as a compliment.
Anybody know what I would get out of masteron combining it or primobolan?
jt
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Ok guys I was thinking about getting the tren and I might do that tren E route. Also I was thinking of trying out masteron and or primo to add to my test cycle. Btw the test cycle I am on now is 1500 mg a week. So I want to add one of these as a compliment.
Anybody know what I would get out of masteron combining it or primobolan?
jt
IMO, masteron is best when you're already really lean, as in contest lean. It can be a good addition to a contest cycle towards the end of the diet. Primo, legit primo isn't cheap at all. I don't have any personal experience with it so I can't say much about it. Some of my girls have used it and it seems to work well, but it is definitely the weaker of the 3 drugs you mentioned.
Tren IMO would be the best rout to go for the most out of what you want. Be it cutting or bulking, I think it's just about the best drug on the planet.
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IMO, masteron is best when you're already really lean, as in contest lean. It can be a good addition to a contest cycle towards the end of the diet. Primo, legit primo isn't cheap at all. I don't have any personal experience with it so I can't say much about it. Some of my girls have used it and it seems to work well, but it is definitely the weaker of the 3 drugs you mentioned.
Tren IMO would be the best rout to go for the most out of what you want. Be it cutting or bulking, I think it's just about the best drug on the planet.
Ok thank you Aj, that is what I was wondering. The stuff I would be getting is UG but from a rep lab I think you know which one. Anyhow is staying on 250mg of Tren E a week with the Test base ok for health long term, I read some places Tren is very toxic on liver compared to Test.
jt
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Ok thank you Aj, that is what I was wondering. The stuff I would be getting is UG but from a rep lab I think you know which one. Anyhow is staying on 250mg of Tren E a week with the Test base ok for health long term, I read some places Tren is very toxic on liver compared to Test.
jt
I guess it would depend on what you consider "Long Term." 8-12wks of tren is fine and won't destroy you or anything. I've run it a little longer than 12wks a couple times, 14 or 15, can't remember exactly...seemed like I started noticing a few irritating things so I never pushed the envelope past that point.
Also, for whatever it's worth, I'd much rather use tren-a than tren-e...I'd just assume never use tren-e when tren-a is available.
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Man it is very true good tren A at a decent dose will amaze you with the results. Currently doing 100mg tren A, 100mg test p, 50mg oral winny ED am also throwing 250mg test E EW in there for good measure LOL. Ancilaries letro 1mg ED, clen 160mcg ED, plenty of EFAs, DHEA which seems to aid the sex drive. Great libido this time through, took some 40mg Cialis yesterday afternoon and banged the shit out of the GF last night a couple times with a hardon that would not quit.
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Man it is very true good tren A at a decent dose will amaze you with the results. Currently doing 100mg tren A, 100mg test p, 50mg oral winny ED am also throwing 250mg test E EW in there for good measure LOL. Ancilaries letro 1mg ED, clen 160mcg ED, plenty of EFAs, DHEA which seems to aid the sex drive. Great libido this time through, took some 40mg Cialis yesterday afternoon and banged the shit out of the GF last night a couple times with a hardon that would not quit.
Cialis....greatest invention of all time!
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I guess it would depend on what you consider "Long Term." 8-12wks of tren is fine and won't destroy you or anything. I've run it a little longer than 12wks a couple times, 14 or 15, can't remember exactly...seemed like I started noticing a few irritating things so I never pushed the envelope past that point.
Also, for whatever it's worth, I'd much rather use tren-a than tren-e...I'd just assume never use tren-e when tren-a is available.
i mean like a year on it, 250 mg a week of tren E, try it out for a year. plus the test base of course.
jt
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IMO, masteron is best when you're already really lean, as in contest lean. It can be a good addition to a contest cycle towards the end of the diet.
Tren IMO would be the best rout to go for the most out of what you want. Be it cutting or bulking, I think it's just about the best drug on the planet.
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i mean like a year on it, 250 mg a week of tren E, try it out for a year. plus the test base of course.
jt
I don't know man, that's a long time to be on tren. If I were you I'd find something else to mix in there. If I were planning on something like that I'd want some wks of no tren thrown in there...for example, say you're on for 8-12wks, take 6wks off the tren, have some periods where you cruise on a lower dose of test for a few wks too. Have some wks where you run something else besides tren as well. Either way, you're still running a butt ass load of tren over a year period.
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I don't know man, that's a long time to be on tren. If I were you I'd find something else to mix in there. If I were planning on something like that I'd want some wks of no tren thrown in there...for example, say you're on for 8-12wks, take 6wks off the tren, have some periods where you cruise on a lower dose of test for a few wks too. Have some wks where you run something else besides tren as well. Either way, you're still running a butt ass load of tren over a year period.
ok cool, I just wanted to know how bad it would be for me, so like use it for 8 weeks, take a break from it for 8 weeks then put it back in.
250mg of tren a week isn't that much though is it? Or do you mean in general how much of it?
jt
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ok cool, I just wanted to know how bad it would be for me, so like use it for 8 weeks, take a break from it for 8 weeks then put it back in.
250mg of tren a week isn't that much though is it? Or do you mean in general how much of it?
jt
No, 250mg/wk isn't that much, it's not what I'd call real low though. 150mg/wk is more along the lines of the low side.
In your case, since you're wanting to use it most of the year, you could try one of two things:
First option, Tren for 12wks, off tren for 6wks, back on tren, etc.
Second option, tren for 12wks, something else for 6wks, nothing but test for 6wks, back on tren for 12wks.
Personally, I'd opt for the second option.
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i dont see any reason why tren would need to be cycled anymore than test would need to be cycled. 250mg year round with test wouldnt be any less safe than 250mg year round of tren
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i dont see any reason why tren would need to be cycled anymore than test would need to be cycled. 250mg year round with test wouldnt be any less safe than 250mg year round of tren
It's not as much about safety reasons as it is drug benefit.
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It's not as much about safety reasons as it is drug benefit.
are you suggesting tren works better when cycled, as opposed to run continuosly?
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are you suggesting tren works better when cycled, as opposed to run continuosly?
I'm suggesting that tren works better when cycled through with other drugs.
I've said this several times on here and everywhere else, the whole "receptors getting burned out" or "filled up" is a bunch of crap, so that's not what I'm implying at all. Just wanted to clarify that.
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here we go again! ;D
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here we go again! ;D
Explain please...remember, I haven't posted here till a few wks ago in over a year...I must've missed something
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It's not as much about safety reasons as it is drug benefit.
oh I was reading said tren was harsher on your liver toxicity than test was. Like test's liver toxicity is low compared to tren is high. Is that correct or not?
I like the first option actually sounds simpler lol, just test and tren.
jt
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oh I was reading said tren was harsher on your liver toxicity than test was. Like test's liver toxicity is low compared to tren is high. Is that correct or not?
I like the first option actually sounds simpler lol, just test and tren.
jt
You always hear tren is more toxic than a lot of AAS injectables, but IMO it's a little bit exaggerated.
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Explain please...remember, I haven't posted here till a few wks ago in over a year...I must've missed something
Sorry brother I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the bookworm who feels he needs to constantly correct experienced bro's.
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I'm suggesting that tren works better when cycled through with other drugs.
well yes thats what i was asking if you were implying
so what your saying is that you think the red one would result in better.... results..
tren+test for 8 weeks
deca+test for 8 weeks
tren+test for 8 weeks
deca+test for 8 weeks
ect
tren+test non stop
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Sorry brother I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the bookworm who feels he needs to constantly correct experienced bro's.
i didnt correct anyone in this thread
when exactly are you going to consider me "exerienced"? two years of use, equivelant to 4 years of "time on= time off" use. used test deca eq tren dbol anadrol winstrol tbol t3 t4 t3+t4 clen ephedrine pgcl humalog humulin r lantus gh metformin arimidex aromasin atd and probably more im forgetting
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well yes thats what i was asking if you were implying
so what your saying is that you think the red one would result in better.... results..
tren+test for 8 weeks
deca+test for 8 weeks
tren+test for 8 weeks
deca+test for 8 weeks
ect
tren+test non stop
In theory, yes, but that's not exactly how I'd do it. I'd do something more like this:
tren/test 12wks
test 6wks
deca/test 12wks
test 6wks
tren/test 12wks
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In theory, yes, but that's not exactly how I'd do it. I'd do something more like this:
tren/test 12wks
test 6wks
deca/test 12wks
test 6wks
tren/test 12wks
so you dont think that steroids in general lose effectiveness, but that you CAN get used to a CERTAIN TYPE of steroid, and to always gain you should be cycling between the different types of steroid, instead of cycling on and off of steroids completely.
am i summing upyour thoughs caccurately?
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so you dont think that steroids in general lose effectiveness, but that you CAN get used to a CERTAIN TYPE of steroid, and to always gain you should be cycling between the different types of steroid, instead of cycling on and off of steroids completely.
am i summing upyour thoughs caccurately?
With the question at hand, I think he could still get gains if he stayed on Tren non stop but I'm saying they'd be better if he cycled through.
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Agreed
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With the question at hand, I think he could still get gains if he stayed on Tren non stop but I'm saying they'd be better if he cycled through.
Ok thank you guys for all the input, I already dropped the test down to 1000 mg, now just waiting on the tren and going to run that @ 250mg / week with it.
jt
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With the question at hand, I think he could still get gains if he stayed on Tren non stop but I'm saying they'd be better if he cycled through.
this is something you noticed in yourself? have you noticed it with every steroid, or soemthing inparticular to tren? would you advocate ALWAYS switching steroids every so often?
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this is something you noticed in yourself? have you noticed it with every steroid, or soemthing inparticular to tren? would you advocate ALWAYS switching steroids every so often?
In most cases yes I would.
Test for the most part always stays in with my guys...there are a few that I have do some things without test but they are few and far between.
From personal experience, tren definitely works better in 6-12wk burst, then some time off of tren.
When it comes to other drugs, like tren, if you're going to stay on for a long time, it seems to work to your advantage to mix it up a bit. For example, one of my favorite things to bounce back and forth with is dbol and anadrol. Here's a sample of what I have some guys do with that:
Wk 1-4 anadrol
Wk 5-6 no anadrol, no dbol
Wk 7-12 dbol
Wk 13-14 no anadrol no dbol
....and so on depending on what's going on, what they need, and how long they're going to be on.
In something like the anadrol/dbol cycle above, the doses are often cycled slightly in about half the cases.
When it comes to other drugs, lets say deca, 16-20wks straight seems to be fine. Could someone use it longer and still get just as good of gains? I don't know, but I'd be a little skeptical unless they started upping the dose...this is assuming that diet stays the same...that should go without saying but you never know who's reading this.
Just a side note to all of this, I'm just answering tbombz question, I'm not telling people to do what I laid out above. Most here probably don't need to and shouldn't. Not because it's extremely dangerous but because for a lot of guys the type of anadrol/dbol cycle I listed just isn't needed...plus, it's not cheap.
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In most cases yes I would.
Test for the most part always stays in with my guys...there are a few that I have do some things without test but they are few and far between.
From personal experience, tren definitely works better in 6-12wk burst, then some time off of tren.
When it comes to other drugs, like tren, if you're going to stay on for a long time, it seems to work to your advantage to mix it up a bit. For example, one of my favorite things to bounce back and forth with is dbol and anadrol. Here's a sample of what I have some guys do with that:
Wk 1-4 anadrol
Wk 5-6 no anadrol, no dbol
Wk 7-12 dbol
Wk 13-14 no anadrol no dbol
....and so on depending on what's going on, what they need, and how long they're going to be on.
In something like the anadrol/dbol cycle above, the doses are often cycled slightly in about half the cases.
When it comes to other drugs, lets say deca, 16-20wks straight seems to be fine. Could someone use it longer and still get just as good of gains? I don't know, but I'd be a little skeptical unless they started upping the dose...this is assuming that diet stays the same...that should go without saying but you never know who's reading this.
Just a side note to all of this, I'm just answering tbombz question, I'm not telling people to do what I laid out above. Most here probably don't need to and shouldn't. Not because it's extremely dangerous but because for a lot of guys the type of anadrol/dbol cycle I listed just isn't needed...plus, it's not cheap.
we need to sticky this post, intelligence and wisdom is speaking.
jt