Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2009, 07:25:53 AM
-
Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon
digg Huffpost - stumble reddit del.ico.us ShareThis
Read More: Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Prize, Politics News
There is nothing like a preemie Nobel Peace Prize to set the polity ablaze. I'm sure Barack Obama smelled the political smoke when awakened with the news this morning that the Nobel committee had essentially named him "Worldwide Statesman Most Likely to Succeed" - and White House sources tell me his initial reaction went pretty much like this: "Whaaaaa?!"
The President is a smart enough politician to understand he'd been slapped into a pretty neat box by those well-meaning Europeans spending down the old arms maker's endowment. Despite calls to contrary, he had to accept the Nobel - anything less would have been far less than gracious. So he handled it pretty well, with statements like this one:
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
Exactly right. Obama clearly didn't deserve the Nobel, which should be awarded not for aspiration but for real accomplishment. But it's not Barack Obama's fault that the Nobel Committee went goofy. The White House was entirely blind-sided by the announcement, understanding perfectly well the day-to-day challenge of transforming the President's inspiring electoral victory into the kind of real change he promised for nigh on two years on the stump. Even hard-core Obama supporters like Gara LaMarche spoke plainly:
I am delighted for any good thing that comes to Barack Obama, and people need to look at this in terms of the sea change it represents in international opinion about the U.S., but giving it for aspiration and effort at such an early stage is, let's admit it, a bit weird. Attention, Pulitzer Prize jury: I've sketched out the opening pages of a novel I'm thinking of writing...
As Richard Kim wrote in The Nation, whose covers last year seemed permanently devoted to an iconic notion of the candidate, the committee's sentiments on the President's small body of work "are aspirational in my view. Obama doesn't deserve the prize, yet." The shorter version from Peter Beinart: "I like Barack Obama as much as the next liberal, but this is a farce."
Yet the natural reaction of some was to try and counter the predictably screeching hellwraiths on the right - "He's basically emasculating this country and they love it!" screamed Limbaugh - and perhaps the desire to rationalize the Nobel choice overcame common sense. It certainly pushed the DNC into throwing terrorism around lightly.
There was a bit of strain in the reasoning. Some voices on the left actually stooped to point out that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. hadn't yet witnessed the signing of the Voting Rights Act when he won his Nobel, or that Bishop Desmond Tutu hadn't yet seen the formal end of Apartheid. But those arguments diminish Obama by easy and simple comparison; it does the President no favors to call to mind 1950s Birmingham and 1980s Johannesburg in the context of his inspiring - but hardly revolutionary - political career in Chicago.
I think the prize will stick to Obama, and not in a good way. Sure, you can observe that the Nobel committee was rewarding the passing of the neocon era and the end of a foreign policy run on arrogant think tank dreams of American "exceptionalism." But any thinking person knows it's too much, too soon. It puts an even brighter target of expectations on a President in his first year and on an Administration struggling to pass health care reform, sort out Afghanistan and put millions of unemployed Americans back to work. On his Philanthrocapitalism blog, the Economist's Matthew Bishop argued that President Obama should defer his acceptance:
At first glance, the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama is absurdly premature. Beyond his fine words, it is hard to demonstrate conclusively that President Obama has yet added a net ounce of peace to the world, and although hopefully he will ultimately do so, the record of past US presidents, including well-intentioned fellows like Messrs Carter and Clinton, suggests that they do more for peace once they leave office.
The world may be happier with Obama than his predecessor, but it also appears to me that the Nobel machers were a little late to the big rally. It's like they showed up a day late for the blow-out party, ringing the front door and holding out a shiny gift to a bewildered host who's more than a bit hung over and already finished sweeping up the confetti. Like the rest of us here on Planet America, the New Yorker's George Packer has long since moved past the slogans, the balloons and all the glorious hoopla:
This seems like a prize for Europeans, not Americans, and I worry that at home it will damage him politically by reinforcing the notion that he is--and will be--a world icon rather than a successful President. I don't mind him being the former, but I most want him to be the latter.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-watson/obama-and-the-peace-prize_b_316156.html
________________________ ________________________ __________________
News to 240 - even many on the left realize what a joke this was.
-
Rush had it right.Obama is the first post racial president and the first post accomplishment president.He succedes because the libs say he does NOT because he actually does a god dam thing.
-
--------
Whinining Republicans: He should return the award! He doesn’t deserve it!
Obama: I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients.
--------
So now WHAT exactly are you whining about? Hmmm? Do you have a reason or is this just a typical day to day auto reaction that starts when you open your eyes in the mornings? Instead of whining about the winner, why not whine about the governing body that made the decision? Oh, that might be counter productive to your daily marching orders huh?
-
--------
Whinining Republicans: He should return the award! He doesn’t deserve it!
Obama: I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients.
--------
So now WHAT exactly are you whining about? Hmmm? Do you have a reason or is this just a typical day to day auto reaction that starts when you open your eyes in the mornings? Instead of whining about the winner, why not whine about the governing body that made the decision? Oh, that might be counter productive to your daily marching orders huh?
I already responded tot his in the other thread. He should have turned it down and highlighted the others who really deserved it and asked the committee to give it to them.
-
Are you mad personally at Obama or mad because Obama won the Nobel.
Which is it? Because there are two different causes of your frustration here. Can you even figure out what it is that has your panties in such a twist?
-
Are you mad personally at Obama or mad because Obama won the Nobel.
Which is it? Because there are two different causes of your frustration here. Can you even figure out what it is that has your panties in such a twist?
I think he made a huge mistake in not turning down the award and asking the committee to give it to someone else who should have gotten it.
Its not his fault the pee ons in Europe are also inflicted with liberal white guilt.
-
Are you mad personally at Obama or mad because Obama won the Nobel.
Which is it? Because there are two different causes of your frustration here. Can you even figure out what it is that has your panties in such a twist?
I dont think ppl are mad at obama personally but with the situation that is obviously yet another bull shit political move. Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back. This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself but that doesnt mean that this isnt bullshit and you know it lurker.
The best thing he could have done would have been to politely and respectfully decline it and say that he would like to have earned one. Lets face if the nobel commitee was willing to give him one for what he has done thus far which is nothing. If he actually did do anything at all they would have rewarde him one then and at that time he may have actually deserved it.
-
thats exactly right by turning it down he comes across as humble as he knows himself he doesnt deserve this award. As much as he is concerned with what others overseas thinks that would have created much more good will.
-
thats exactly right by turning it down he comes across as humble as he knows himself he doesnt deserve this award. As much as he is concerned with what others overseas thinks that would have created much more good will.
My personal belief is that Obama deep down knows this, but had to balance that out with the opportunity to give yet another internationalist speech bashing American and promoting the global agenda. He knows he will get a few days of press and camaera time for this.
So even though he knows others were more deserving, I think he could not pass up the chance for another opportunity to fly around the world and pass himself off as the leader of the world.
-
Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back. This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself but that doesnt mean that this isnt bullshit and you know it lurker.
When you are not busy contradicting yourself, do you ever think about having a rational thought for once?
-
When you are not busy contradicting yourself, do you ever think about having a rational thought for once?
exactly how did i contradict myself?
-
I already responded tot his in the other thread. He should have turned it down and highlighted the others who really deserved it and asked the committee to give it to them.
So saying "I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients" isn't highlighting the others and being humble?
When making the assumption that he should do this, he should do that, what evidence are you basing it own? Your OPINION? On what you THINK he should do? Because if that is the case (and it is) then how can you possibly try to knock the OPINION of some one else (in this case the Nobel committee)?
You can't. You simply try to in order to have whine-fuel for your Obama rants.
-
exactly how did i contradict myself?
Did you see my quote from your reply?
Do I have to explain your own post to you?
Perhaps instead you can simply tell us what the source of your frustration really is. Because it can't possibly be this Nobel Prize thing as illustrated by the dazzling lack of logic behind the wingnuts posts on here.
-
So saying "I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients" isn't highlighting the others and being humble?
When making the assumption that he should do this, he should do that, what evidence are you basing it own? Your OPINION? On what you THINK he should do? Because if that is the case (and it is) then how can you possibly try to knock the OPINION of some one else (in this case the Nobel committee)?
You can't. You simply try to in order to have whine-fuel for your Obama rants.
Deeds not words.
-
Did you see my quote from your reply?
Do I have to explain your own post to you?
Perhaps instead you can simply tell us what the source of your frustration really is. Because it can't possibly be this Nobel Prize thing as illustrated by the dazzling lack of logic behind the wingnuts posts on here.
please please please do continue and show me for the idiot i am... ;D
-
Im not mad at him or the commitee.After total utter fools like Jimmy Carter ,fat ass Al Gore and Koffe anon got it,its as meaninful as a diaper full of crap.
-
please please please do continue and show me for the idiot i am... ;D
You are a fine job on your job.
-
Im not mad at him or the commitee.After total utter fools like Jimmy Carter ,fat ass Al Gore and Koffe anon got it,its as meaninful as a diaper full of crap.
Which is exactly why all the teeth gnashing of the anti-Obama idiots is simply irrelevant.
-
You are a fine job on your job.
so i take it i didnt contradict myself and you will deflect this comment just like you did the last?
go ahead deflect it...
-
so i take it i didnt contradict myself and you will deflect this comment just like you did the last?
go ahead deflect it...
Are you really this stupid? Or is it just some sort of defensive mechanism you fall back on when cornered by your own illogical posts?
First Statement : Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back.
Second Statement : This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself
If you can not see a simple contradiction like that, especially when I ALREADY QUOTED IT DIRECTLY, then you are incapable of any sort of debate that requires double digit brain cells.
Now to try to spin this or make excuses is only going to further validate what I said.
-
Are you really this stupid? Or is it just some sort of defensive mechanism you fall back on when cornered by your own illogical posts?
First Statement : Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back.
Second Statement : This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself
If you can not see a simple contradiction like that, especially when I ALREADY QUOTED IT DIRECTLY, then you are incapable of any sort of debate that requires double digit brain cells.
Now to try to spin this or make excuses is only going to further validate what I said.
wow you really cant follow a train of thought can you?
the nomination and being awarded the prize was not his fault the going along with the political bull shit stunt as he no doubtedly did was all him...
that was what i was referring to as yet another bullshit political stunt...
if you cannot follow a simple logical train of thought i suggest you go back and sit in the corner until you have the mental capacity to talk to grown ups.
-
Now to try to spin this or make excuses is only going to further validate what I said.
wow you really cant follow a train of thought can you?
the nomination and being awarded the prize was not his fault the going along with the political bull shit stunt as he no doubtedly did was all him...
that was what i was referring to as yet another bullshit political stunt...
if you cannot follow a simple logical train of thought i suggest you go back and sit in the corner until you have the mental capacity to talk to grown ups.
Thank you for proving my point. Although it was not really necessary.
-
How dare you give an opinion on an internet message board, Tony... ;)
-
How dare you give an opinion on an internet message board, Tony... ;)
LOL no doubt skip
whats funny is he thinks he made a good point :D
-
He didn't deserve it, but he it wasn't his decision to be given the award either. You can't be mad at Obama on this one. Should he have given it back?....I don't know, maybe that would have been a respectible thing to do, but has anyone declined the Nobel prize?
It's just one more example of liberal groups lifting him up inappropriately. The similarities to the Manchurian candidate are a bit too close for comfort.
-
Which is exactly why all the teeth gnashing of the anti-Obama idiots is simply irrelevant.
Its goofy that he won,but who cares?The award means nothing when a moron like Al Gore gets it for promoting a lie.
-
He didn't deserve it, but he it wasn't his decision to be given the award either. You can't be mad at Obama on this one. Should he have given it back?....I don't know, maybe that would have been a respectible thing to do, but has anyone declined the Nobel prize?
It's just one more example of liberal groups lifting him up inappropriately. The similarities to the Manchurian candidate are a bit too close for comfort.
this
-
The Nobel Prize committee is made up of liberal groups? Proof?
-
The Nobel Prize committee is made up of liberal groups? Proof?
are you shitting me?
look lurker its fine to be a dumb ass when youre by yourself but try and limit that shit when your out in public
ill make you a deal you give me proof i contradicted myself and ill give you proof for this...
-
are you shitting me?
look lurker its fine to be a dumb ass when youre by yourself but try and limit that shit when your out in public
ill make you a deal you give me proof i contradicted myself and ill give you proof for this...
If tony was the one who claimed the nobel judges were libs, then tony is the one responsible for proving it
-
If tony was the one who claimed the nobel judges were libs, then tony is the one responsible for proving it
I wasnt
nobody said the nobel judges were liberal
shoot said this is yet another situation of liberals lifting up obama without justification.
-
are you shitting me?
look lurker its fine to be a dumb ass when youre by yourself but try and limit that shit when your out in public
ill make you a deal you give me proof i contradicted myself and ill give you proof for this...
You are either blind or stupid aren't you? You obviously have some type of disability either physically or mentally that has prevented you from seeing where I have already answered that question TWICE on the previous page.
So which is it? Blind or stupid?
-
You are either blind or stupid aren't you? You obviously have some type of disability either physically or mentally that has prevented you from seeing where I have already answered that question TWICE on the previous page.
So which is it? Blind or stupid?
simply answering the question doesnt mean you got that question correct dumb ass
you havent PROVEN anything other then your epic lack of comprehension...
-
nobody said the nobel judges were liberal
shoot said this is yet another situation of liberals lifting up obama without justification.
O'rly?
The Nobel Prize committee is made up of liberal groups?
are you shitting me?
So which is it? Blind or stupid?
-
O'rly?
So which is it? Blind or stupid?
goodness youre a fuking retard :D
-
simply answering the question doesnt mean you got that question correct dumb ass
you havent PROVEN anything other then your epic lack of comprehension...
Again, are you blind or just stupid? Seriously. I am trying to understand your disability here.
-
Again, are you blind or just stupid? Seriously. I am trying to understand your disability here.
LOL so ill take it that you cant prove your statement so you will keep deflecting?
-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Mortenson
this man was one of the finalist King Barack beat out to win the Nobel Prize...
make you own conclusions...
-
LOL so ill take it that you cant prove your statement so you will keep deflecting?
If by providing evidence TWICE before on this thread is what you mean by "deflecting" then I will agree with you on that.
-
If by providing evidence TWICE before on this thread is what you mean by "deflecting" then I will agree with you on that.
LOL again you didnt prove shit you answered the question wrong...
Head of the nobel prize commitee:
Thorbjørn Jagland...
He has also proposed the European Union be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.[56] Since 1999, Jagland is also one of several vice presidents of the Socialist International.[57] Jagland stated that the left wing in Norway does not use Socialist International enough.[58] From 2000 to 2006, he chaired the Socialist International Committee on the Middle East
Aagot Valle, a left-wing Norwegian politician who joined the Nobel panel this year
they sure sound left wing to me how about you lurker?
-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nobel_peace_obama
"The left-leaning committee whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament"
I mean sure sounds like they are lefty liberals huh?
-
If tony was the one who claimed the nobel judges were libs, then tony is the one responsible for proving it
So let me get this straight.
Obama's win was a "liberal" thing according to the conservatards.
But, they claim it is not Obama's fault.
And the Nobel Prize committee who makes the decision of who wins is not a "liberal" group. According to the conservatards.
The "liberal" tag is attached to those people who "lift him up". But yet, that group doesn't decide who wins or has any influence on the Nobel Prize Committee's decision. The Nobel Prize Committee, who just happens, by the way, to not be a "liberal" group. Conservatard statements.
And thus, the molehill becomes a mountain for which to whine on.
-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nobel_peace_obama
"The left-leaning committee whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament"
I mean sure sounds like they are lefty liberals huh?
Are you reverting back to your original statement?
Are you eventually going to pick a side of the fence to stay on?
Which is it?
-
So let me get this straight.
Obama's win was a "liberal" thing according to the conservatards.
But, they claim it is not Obama's fault.
And the Nobel Prize committee who makes the decision of who wins is not a "liberal" group. According to the conservatards.
The "liberal" tag is attached to those people who "lift him up". But yet, that group doesn't decide who wins or has any influence on the Nobel Prize Committee's decision. The Nobel Prize Committee, who just happens, by the way, to not be a "liberal" group. Conservatard statements.
And thus, the molehill becomes a mountain for which to whine on.
LOL what?
hhahahha what? is anybody else following this jack ass?
the nobel committee is a liberal group lurker sorry to break it to you.
shoot didnt specifically say the judges were liberal although its perfectly clear they are...
i specified what shoot said b/c i didnt want to stick words in his mouth
its perfectly clear they are a left leaning group
-
Are you reverting back to your original statement?
Are you eventually going to pick a side of the fence to stay on?
Which is it?
LOL for the sake of saving time and possibly a stroke trying to explain the complexities of the english language to you. Lets just say im picking the side that says they are liberals...
do you agree or disagree that they are a liberal group?
-
I have no idea who the members are or what their political affiliations are.
I am simply echoing republicrap statements on this board to illustrate how their Obama whining is only a knee jerk reaction to the daily misery they must go through over him.
Which is exactly why I clarified those statements in my post as coming from republicraps.
-
I have no idea who the members are or what their political affiliations are.
I am simply echoing republicrap statements on this board to illustrate how their Obama whining is only a knee jerk reaction to the daily misery they must go through over him.
Which is exactly why I clarified those statements in my post as coming from republicraps.
Millions who have lost their jobs since he has become president are in misery Lurker , not just us birthers, wing nuts, tea baggers, red necks, racists, loons, and potential terrorists.
-
http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett/what-price-for-obamas-nobel-prize/
Who are these folks issuing Obama a prize on credit to steer America along their preferred course? The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of five Norwegians, whose members are appointed by the parliament of Norway. Ever heard of Thorbjorn Jagland? Active for decades in the Socialist International, a collectivist who navigated a long series of embarrassing moments in Norwegian politics to become current Secretary-General of the Council of Europe, Jagland now heads the Norwegian Nobel Committee. His fellow members who have just issued this Nobel IOU to a sitting American president are — are we ready for global policy guided by this crowd? – Kaci Kullman Five, Sissel Marie Ronbeck, Inger-Marie Ytterhorn and Agot Valle.
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=1782600
5 Norwegians decide Peace Prize winner
October 9, 2009 - 5:45pm
By The Associated Press
(AP) - There are four women and one man on the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Members are elected by Norwegian lawmakers so the panel reflects the political makeup of Parliament. The five members are:
_ THORBJOERN JAGLAND. 59. Chairman. Has served as lawmaker for the left-leaning Labor Party for 16 years. Was Norway's prime minister from 1996-1997 and foreign minister from 2000-2001. Member of the prize committee since 2009. Elected secretary-general of the Council of Europe on Sept. 29.
Dismissed criticism that giving the prize to Obama was premature. "Too early? Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now. It is now that we have the opportunity to respond," he told AP.
_ KACI KULLMAN FIVE. 58. Deputy chair. Served as lawmaker for the right-wing Conservative Party 1981-97 and chaired the party 1991-94. Briefly served as Norwegian trade minister. Held a seat on board of Norwegian oil company Statoil until 2007. Member of the prize committee since 2003.
Told AP the committee covers "the political spectrum in Norway" but doesn't view its selections as political. "We have one duty and that is to do what Alfred Nobel put in his will."
_ SISSEL MARIE ROENBECK. 59. Labor Party lawmaker until 1993. Has held Cabinet posts as minister for administration and consumer affairs, environment and transport and communications. Member of the prize committee since 1994.
_ INGER-MARIE YTTERHORN. 68. Senior political adviser to the parliamentary group of the right-wing populist Progress Party. Lawmaker from 1989-93. Member of the prize committee since 2000. Told AP the prize could be seen as praising Obama's reversal of Bush administration policies: "I guess you could read it like that."
_ AAGOT VALLE. 64. Lawmaker for the Socialist Left party. Joined the peace prize committee in 2009. Expects Bush supporters to criticize decision to award Obama: "Those who were in support of Bush in his belief in war solving problems, on rearmament, and that nuclear weapons play an important role ... probably won't be happy."
(Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
By The Associated Press
(AP) - There are four women and one man on the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Members are elected by Norwegian lawmakers so the panel reflects the political makeup of Parliament. The five members are:
_ THORBJOERN JAGLAND. 59. Chairman. Has served as lawmaker for the left-leaning Labor Party for 16 years. Was Norway's prime minister from 1996-1997 and foreign minister from 2000-2001. Member of the prize committee since 2009. Elected secretary-general of the Council of Europe on Sept. 29.
Dismissed criticism that giving the prize to Obama was premature. "Too early? Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now. It is now that we have the opportunity to respond," he told AP.
_ KACI KULLMAN FIVE. 58. Deputy chair. Served as lawmaker for the right-wing Conservative Party 1981-97 and chaired the party 1991-94. Briefly served as Norwegian trade minister. Held a seat on board of Norwegian oil company Statoil until 2007. Member of the prize committee since 2003.
Told AP the committee covers "the political spectrum in Norway" but doesn't view its selections as political. "We have one duty and that is to do what Alfred Nobel put in his will."
_ SISSEL MARIE ROENBECK. 59. Labor Party lawmaker until 1993. Has held Cabinet posts as minister for administration and consumer affairs, environment and transport and communications. Member of the prize committee since 1994.
_ INGER-MARIE YTTERHORN. 68. Senior political adviser to the parliamentary group of the right-wing populist Progress Party. Lawmaker from 1989-93. Member of the prize committee since 2000. Told AP the prize could be seen as praising Obama's reversal of Bush administration policies: "I guess you could read it like that."
_ AAGOT VALLE. 64. Lawmaker for the Socialist Left party. Joined the peace prize committee in 2009. Expects Bush supporters to criticize decision to award Obama: "Those who were in support of Bush in his belief in war solving problems, on rearmament, and that nuclear weapons play an important role ... probably won't be happy."
(Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
-
Millions who have lost their jobs since he has become president are in misery Lurker , not just us birthers, wing nuts, tea baggers, red necks, racists, loons, and potential terrorists.
And the millions that lost their jobs before he became President are doing just fine? Is that what you are saying?
-
And the millions that lost their jobs before he became President are doing just fine? Is that what you are saying?
No, but Obama is adding to the misery.
-
So when you said this :
"Millions who have lost their jobs since he has become president are in misery ... "
What you really meant to say was this :
"Millions who have lost their jobs in the past couple of years are in misery ....
Unless you are pulling a Michael Steele.
Though how exactly handing the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama is adding to their misery is beyond me.
-
So when you said this :
"Millions who have lost their jobs since he has become president are in misery ... "
What you really meant to say was this :
"Millions who have lost their jobs in the past couple of years are in misery ....
Unless you are pulling a Michael Steele.
Though how exactly handing the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama is adding to their misery is beyond me.
-
So are you falling back to your first statement that only people who lost their jobs since Obama entered office are miserable?
Or are you simply attempting a non irrelevant talking point here?
-
So are you falling back to your first statement that only people who lost their jobs since Obama entered office are miserable?
Or are you simply attempting a non irrelevant talking point here?
Maybe I was wrong, even people with their jobs are miserable since ****** has entered office.
I posted an article about the middle class tax hike ObamaCare equals. Read it and educate yourself you fool.
-
So what you are admitting is that your original statement was simply inconsistent with reality and that it was only a bash Obama knee jerk reaction.
The proper statement should have been : "Millions who have lost their jobs in the past couple of years are in misery .... but that wouldn't have really cut it because you couldn't try to direct all the whining at Obama.
It's ok. I understand the need to get your frustrations out.