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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: nicky.smth on October 16, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
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I haven't used steroids in about 3 years or so..However, i don't want to catch the the swine flu or the regular flu...I'm thinking of using about 20-25 Mg of Anavar to help boost my immune system for about 3-4 weeks max
How does this sound?
this is for therapeutic use only, and a serious thread
The goal is so i increase my immune system and don't get sick this winter.
Never got the flu shot yet, and don't want to...
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what evidence do you have that anavar will boost your immune system?
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what evidence do you have that anavar will boost your immune system?
Steriods are used to treat many conditions...However, there are studies that confirm low dosages of Deca-Durabolin increase the immune system...
i'm talking about dosages about 25-50 mg Deca week...
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RBC count will go up, right?
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However, there are studies that confirm low dosages of Deca-Durabolin increase the immune system...
anivar is not deca
i'm talking about dosages about 25-50 mg Deca week...
if you mean anavar, probably just enough to suppress your natural test production, but not enough to replace it
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anivar is not deca
if you mean anavar, probably just enough to suppress your natural test production, but not enough to replace it
true, Anavar isn't Deca..However, it doesn't suppress T production as bad..i'm aware just 20 mg daily can completely kill test levels after a several weeks.
However, i'll be prepared..With the clomid, nolvadex, etc..just in cause
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true, Anavar isn't Deca..However, it doesn't suppress T production as bad..i'm aware just 20 mg daily can completely kill test levels after a several weeks.
However, i'll be prepared..With the clomid, nolvadex, etc..just in cause
-> I want to do anavar to boost my immune system
<- anavar doesn't boost your immune system
-> deca does
<- anavar isn't deca
-> but anavar doesn't suppress test production, plus I have clomid and nolvadex
<- anavar doesn't boost your immune system
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I didn't find var suppressive at all at 20-30 mg/day.
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-> I want to do anavar to boost my immune system
<- anavar doesn't boost your immune system
-> deca does
<- anavar isn't deca
-> but anavar doesn't suppress test production, plus I have clomid and nolvadex
<- anavar doesn't boost your immune system
Lol true
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-> I want to do anavar to boost my immune system
<- anavar doesn't boost your immune system
-> deca does
<- anavar isn't deca
-> but anavar doesn't suppress test production, plus I have clomid and nolvadex
<- anavar doesn't boost your immune system
LMFAO!!!
If you want to juice on some pussy anavar, just do it. Don't try to validate it with some dumb immune system excuse... just do it and be done with it. You don't need our approval.
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Oxandrolone has been approved by the FDA since the early 1960's at a dosage of five to ten milligrams per day for conditions that included weight loss "due to extensive surgery, chronic infection, severe trauma, failure to gain or maintain weight without definite pathophysiologic reasons [and] protein catabolism due to prolonged corticosteroid administration." Since HIV wasting is the result of a chronic infection and is often without definite cause, oxandrolone is clearly indicated and FDA approved for HIV-related wasting at the dose of 5-10 mg per day
So why wouldn't it be a good idea again TIM?
I've been plagued by a chronic sinus infection the last few years.
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how do you expect to get real anavar btw? close to impossible just so you know.
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how do you expect to get real anavar btw? close to impossible just so you know.
i already procured like 500 (2.5) tabs, at a price that was to good to pass up
BTW it's Watson brand...Human grade
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Oxandrolone has been approved by the FDA since the early 1960's at a dosage of five to ten milligrams per day for conditions that included weight loss "due to extensive surgery, chronic infection, severe trauma, failure to gain or maintain weight without definite pathophysiologic reasons [and] protein catabolism due to prolonged corticosteroid administration." Since HIV wasting is the result of a chronic infection and is often without definite cause, oxandrolone is clearly indicated and FDA approved for HIV-related wasting at the dose of 5-10 mg per day
So why wouldn't it be a good idea again TIM?
I've been plagued by a chronic sinus infection the last few years..
You have HIV? :o
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You have HIV? :o
No bro, i don't have HIV...
I think ;D
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Oxandrolone has been approved by the FDA since the early 1960's at a dosage of five to ten milligrams per day for conditions that included weight loss "due to extensive surgery, chronic infection, severe trauma, failure to gain or maintain weight without definite pathophysiologic reasons [and] protein catabolism due to prolonged corticosteroid administration." Since HIV wasting is the result of a chronic infection and is often without definite cause, oxandrolone is clearly indicated and FDA approved for HIV-related wasting at the dose of 5-10 mg per day
So why wouldn't it be a good idea again TIM?
with HIV and other diseases, mass is survivability. the more muscle mass you have, the better off you'll be after any setbacks you may have with your disease. It doesn't boost your immune system. it simply gives you more body to burn in fighting your disease.
you want to take AS in lieu of a flu vaccine. Anavar nor any other AS will help your body fight off viruses. Just get the damn vaccine.
btw, some studies indicate that a significant number of deaths from H1N1 have a Pneumocystis Carinii Pneumonia co-infection. PCP is an opportunistic disease. It's a fungus that is everywhere, but healthy bodies can easily fight it off. But it's what most people who died in the 80s with HIV died of. It can be quite serious for anyone on chemo or has a deficient immune system. But there is a vaccine that works quite well. If you have a chronic disease, insist on getting the PCP vaccine.
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Steroids wont help your Immune system at all. Just take some good vitamins and eat good. If you sure that small amount of deca will help you, can you show me the study.
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Oxandrolone has been approved by the FDA since the early 1960's at a dosage of five to ten milligrams per day for conditions that included weight loss "due to extensive surgery, chronic infection, severe trauma, failure to gain or maintain weight without definite pathophysiologic reasons [and] protein catabolism due to prolonged corticosteroid administration." Since HIV wasting is the result of a chronic infection and is often without definite cause, oxandrolone is clearly indicated and FDA approved for HIV-related wasting at the dose of 5-10 mg per day
So why wouldn't it be a good idea again TIM?
I've been plagued by a chronic sinus infection the last few years.
more then likely it has a suppressive effect on immune function, in chronic infection it is the muscle wasting and weight loss they are counteracting, also in hiv it is the cachexia like syndrome they are counteracting.
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i already procured like 500 (2.5) tabs, at a price that was to good to pass up
BTW it's Watson brand...Human grade
it antagonizes cortisol also, so, again wouldn't be a good idea.
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LMFAO!!!
If you want to juice on some pussy anavar, just do it. Don't try to validate it with some dumb immune system excuse... just do it and be done with it. You don't need our approval.
QFT! You don't need to justify it to anyone but yourself. First it was the flu and then a chronic sinus infection. Why not just go to the fucking doctor???
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gh15 claims that if you take hgh it will even make you immune to AIDS. And unless you get it straight from the pharm, you can't get real anavar unless it's from Nordic who is not taking anymore new customers.
Just saying.
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gh15 claims that if you take hgh it will even make you immune to AIDS. And unless you get it straight from the pharm, you can't get real anavar unless it's from Nordic who is not taking anymore new customers.
Just saying.
retarded stuff right here. sure you can get the powder for clinical trials, you dont know what your talking about. It is also cheap as hell to produce, the monolopy makes it expensive.
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retarded stuff right here. sure you can get the powder for clinical trials, you dont know what your talking about. It is also cheap as hell to produce, the monolopy makes it expensive.
i thought anavar was one of the more expensive steroids to produce ???
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and one of the most faked.
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i thought anavar was one of the more expensive steroids to produce ???
pretty sure its relatively inexpensive to produce. Back before is was phased out it was cheap to make.
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pretty sure its relatively inexpensive to produce. Back before is was phased out it was cheap to make.
All drugs are pretty much cheap to make. It's the R&D behind it and getting it approved for market that costs. A drug researcher once commented that the first pill is a billion dollars and the rest maybe 3 cents. They just have to spread out the cost.
With anavar I doubt it's anymore expensive to produce than any other steroid. It's just supply and demand. I don't think pharms produce it much anymore.
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One drug seller told me Anavar was one of the cheapest steroids to make. .
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I haven't used steroids in about 3 years or so..However, i don't want to catch the the swine flu or the regular flu...I'm thinking of using about 20-25 Mg of Anavar to help boost my immune system for about 3-4 weeks max
How does this sound?
this is for therapeutic use only, and a serious thread
The goal is so i increase my immune system and don't get sick this winter.
Never got the flu shot yet, and don't want to...
theres a board for this, steroids and hardcore, thread should be moved....
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I didn't find var suppressive at all at 20-30 mg/day.
how can you tell??
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All drugs are pretty much cheap to make. It's the R&D behind it and getting it approved for market that costs. A drug researcher once commented that the first pill is a billion dollars and the rest maybe 3 cents. They just have to spread out the cost.
With anavar I doubt it's anymore expensive to produce than any other steroid. It's just supply and demand. I don't think pharms produce it much anymore.
Not entirely true but relative to cost of course. Some drugs are cheaper to make then others, anavar is one of the cheapest steriods.
research is the most costly practice for pharm labs, so they have to recoup.
look at modafinil or lyrica, just retarded pricing, even desoxyn. ::)
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how can you tell??
My sex drive was unaffected. Not so with T.
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Anavar is extremely suppressive. I know I'm right. :D
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Anavar is extremely suppressive. I know I'm right. :D
I was only on 20-30mg a day tho. I took it up to 60 at one point but my veins were going to break through the skin... especially the one on my left temple! :-X
Btw, if oxandrolone is cheap to make then my compounding pharma was fucking crucifying me! Those girls!
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My sex drive was unaffected. Not so with T.
With that, do you mean it's hard to get it up or just uninterested?
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With that, do you mean it's hard to get it up or just uninterested?
With test I had ok function but didn't get rock hard either, which was a bit concerning but at least he never let me down entirely. The main thing was I felt no real need to jizz about a week after the first shot . Normally I'll get a 'lil backpressure building up after just a day or two. Going for days at a time without getting a horny urge put me off it a bit. Also, I thought I was going to die fucking trying to get off. A couple times I just gave up and called it a night. :(
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With test I had ok function but didn't get rock hard either, which was a bit concerning but at least he never let me down entirely. The main thing was I felt no real need to jizz about a week after the first shot . Normally I'll get a 'lil backpressure building up after just a day or two. Going for days at a time without getting a horny urge put me off it a bit. Also, I thought I was going to die fucking trying to get off. A couple times I just gave up and called it a night. :(
try sex with women next time, you'll be surprised how easy you cum. :D
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try sex with women next time, you'll be surprised how easy you cum. :D
Cant hardly wait.
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With test I had ok function but didn't get rock hard either, which was a bit concerning but at least he never let me down entirely. The main thing was I felt no real need to jizz about a week after the first shot . Normally I'll get a 'lil backpressure building up after just a day or two. Going for days at a time without getting a horny urge put me off it a bit. Also, I thought I was going to die fucking trying to get off. A couple times I just gave up and called it a night. :(
hmm but with injectable test shouldn't your sex drive be higher?? or do you mean a while after coming off?
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Anavar is extremely suppressive. I know I'm right. :D
i am going by memory but anavar is the least suppressive although can cause permenant issues with spermatogenesis.
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i am going by memory but anavar is the least suppressive although can cause permenant issues with spermatogenesis.
You mean there's been studies comparing suppression from anavar vs other steroids? I don't think so.
Where does the spermatogenesis thing come from?
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suppression will depend on doseage.
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in the current climate anavar is very expensive to make, if we are talking about price of oxandralone powder on the black market (where UG labs are getting it) .
now, if we are talking about the price to a chemist to synthesize oxandralone... well i have no idea, but it probably is quite cheap. the expense would be in the time you must take to study the way to make it, and also probably the chemicals and equipment necessary for the production.
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in the current climate anavar is very expensive to make, if we are talking about price of oxandralone powder on the black market (where UG labs are getting it) .
now, if we are talking about the price to a chemist to synthesize oxandralone... well i have no idea, but it probably is quite cheap. the expense would be in the time you must take to study the way to make it, and also probably the chemicals and equipment necessary for the production.
i have the chemical instructions on how to make the stuff ;) and everything else except oxymetholone 8)
unfortunately i have no clue about chemistry though. :(
one of those things i wanto learn someday along with 4 different languages :)
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suppression will depend on doseage.
I think this shows it's pretty damn suppressive
(http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/vol84/issue8/images/large/eg0895923003.jpeg)
Figure 3. Total androgen concentration. Total serum T (hatched portion) and OX (black portion) concentrations in five young men on days 0, 3, and 5. *, T decreased significantly from days 0 and 3 to day 5 (P < 0.05).
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i have the chemical instructions on how to make the stuff ;) and everything else except oxymetholone 8)
unfortunately i have no clue about chemistry though. :(
one of those things i wanto learn someday along with 4 different languages :)
re you talking about how to synthesize it, or how to take oxandralone and put it into tablets ? tableting, and suspending gear in oil/water are pretty simple. a caveman could do it.
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re you talking about how to synthesize it, or how to take oxandralone and put it into tablets ? tableting, and suspending gear in oil/water are pretty simple. a caveman could do it.
he's obviously talking about synthesizing the substance, and many other steroids Mr Dizzle.
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he obviously talking about synthesizing the substance, and many other steroids Mr Dizzle.
it seems so, but ive never came across that info myself.
well, now that i think of it, ive never actually looked for that info.
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re you talking about how to synthesize it, or how to take oxandralone and put it into tablets ? tableting, and suspending gear in oil/water are pretty simple. a caveman could do it.
synthesis of oxandrolone ;)
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it seems so, but ive never came across that info myself.
well, now that i think of it, ive never actually looked for that info.
its not as easy as a google search, but with a bit of work i'm sure a young intellectual like yourself can do it ;)
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You mean there's been studies comparing suppression from anavar vs other steroids? I don't think so.
Where does the spermatogenesis thing come from?
why would you have to design a study like that to make the conclusion i did?
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I think this shows it's pretty damn suppressive
(http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/vol84/issue8/images/large/eg0895923003.jpeg)
Figure 3. Total androgen concentration. Total serum T (hatched portion) and OX (black portion) concentrations in five young men on days 0, 3, and 5. *, T decreased significantly from days 0 and 3 to day 5 (P < 0.05).
on what? testosterone?
there are studies showing it lacks the inhibition on the negative feedback loop in the hpta, lh concentrations did not decline rapidly and a study in children showing no hpta suppression.
post the abstract.
my contention is that it is the least suppressive, you are saying it is extremely suppressive, i can only speculate what you mean by extremely as you have given me no quantitative way to measure it. So i will assume compared to other steriods that are similar.
post the full abstract please.
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hmm but with injectable test shouldn't your sex drive be higher?? or do you mean a while after coming off?
Some guys claim that effect but it didn't work that way for me. When sperm production drops, so does my level of horniness. Stands to reason. Other guys might have a stronger psychological component to their drive but my sex drive is mostly physical.
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what evidence do you have that anavar will boost your immune system?
it'll actually suppress his immune system
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on what? testosterone?
there are studies showing it lacks the inhibition on the negative feedback loop in the hpta, lh concentrations did not decline rapidly and a study in children showing no hpta suppression.
post the abstract.
my contention is that it is the least suppressive, you are saying it is extremely suppressive, i can only speculate what you mean by extremely as you have given me no quantitative way to measure it. So i will assume compared to other steriods that are similar.
post the full abstract please.
Full paper: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705
I have never come across any study on oxandrolone showing it lacks inhibitory effect in adults. Giving prepubertal and pubertal children approx. 2mg of OXA a day isn't necessarily applicable to us.
Why do I call it extremely suppressive? 15mg (!) dropping T by that much in 5 (!) days is very suppressive IMO. I could speculate what would happen at maybe 30mg done for 2 weeks - close to total shutdown perhaps? Yes there are other steroids which are more suppressive but if I were to guess the other common orals (win, dbol, drol etc) aren't more suppressive than this. It's certainly suppressive, not at all like the internet steroid profiles claim (little to no suppression).
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Full paper: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705
I have never come across any study on oxandrolone showing it lacks inhibitory effect in adults. Giving prepubertal and pubertal children approx. 2mg of OXA a day isn't necessarily applicable to us.
Why do I call it extremely suppressive? 15mg (!) dropping T by that much in 5 (!) days is very suppressive IMO. I could speculate what would happen at maybe 30mg done for 2 weeks - close to total shutdown perhaps? Yes there are other steroids which are more suppressive but if I were to guess the other common orals (win, dbol, drol etc) aren't more suppressive than this. It's certainly suppressive, not at all like the internet steroid profiles claim (little to no suppression).
ill have a look at the paper, in the middle of exams, so might not respond for a couple days. I have no doubt it reduces testosterone, there is more to the story then suppression of of testosterone at the gonadal level to consider. We have to look at the complete endocrine system to determine if it suppresses the HPTA.
exogenous testosterone will suppress testosterone, didnt say it wouldn't.
Ill get back to you in a couple days on the topic.
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there is more to the story then suppression of of testosterone at the gonadal level to consider. We have to look at the complete endocrine system to determine if it suppresses the HPTA.
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I have no idea what you mean here. You'll have to clarify.
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ill have a look at the paper, in the middle of exams, so might not respond for a couple days. I have no doubt it reduces testosterone, there is more to the story then suppression of of testosterone at the gonadal level to consider. We have to look at the complete endocrine system to determine if it suppresses the HPTA.
exogenous testosterone will suppress testosterone, didnt say it wouldn't.
Ill get back to you in a couple days on the topic.
who cares what anavar does to the htpa/endocrine system - the bottom line is that suppresses test that quickly !
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who cares what anavar does to the htpa/endocrine system - the bottom line is that suppresses test that quickly !
Pretty sure lutenizing hormones do not take a dip as with other steriods, nor does the negative feedback from the leydig cells cease, hence the difference between primary and secondary endocrine pathologies.
Lowering testosterone isnt the sole sign of suppression, or need to use pct.
Again I cant remember what study i read to have this inclination, but ill have a look in the lit and get back to you guys at the end of the week so as im done midterms.
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Pretty sure lutenizing hormones do not take a dip as with other steriods, nor does the negative feedback from the leydig cells cease, hence the difference between primary and secondary endocrine pathologies.
Lowering testosterone isnt the sole sign of suppression, or need to use pct.
Again I cant remember what study i read to have this inclination, but ill have a look in the lit and get back to you guys at the end of the week so as im done midterms.
Honestly, this is the first time I've seen this theory - that T can be suppressed as a result of AAS without there first being a lowering of the signaling hormones. I think you're wrong for sure, but wouldn't mind if you proved me wrong.