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Forced Vaccinations - HB 492 - The General Assembly of Pennsylvania - Session of 2009 - Emergency Health Powers and Procedures - authorizes on the basis of one man's opinion - the governor - forced medical examinations, forced isolations and quarantines, forced relocations, prohibitions of firearms, and forced vaccinations. See attached copy of legislation and please do not miss the following:
"The public health authority may, for such period as the state of public health emergency exists, compel a person to be vaccinated"
- HB 492, Pg. 28, Line 29 to Pg. 29, Line 3
"A person who fails to comply with this section commits a misdemeanor of the third degree."
- HB 492, Pg. 29, Lines 20-21
"The public health authority shall have the power to enforce the provisions of this article through the imposition of fines and penalties, the issuance of orders and such other remedies as are provided by law."
- HB 492, Pg. 36, Lines 22-25
Based on the above, it appears that a patient who refuses vaccination may be incarcerated and fined under the above provisions. Further, scientific evidence is now clear that vaccines can and have done harm to the patient and have even caused death. If the vaccination actually harms the patient, government officials and health care providers are exempt from civil damages except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct, facts very difficult to prove.
"State immunity.-Neither the Commonwealth, its political subdivisions, nor, except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct, the Governor, the public health authority or any other State official referenced in this article shall be liable for the death of or any injury to persons or damage to property as a result of complying with or attempting to comply with this article or any rule or regulations promulgated pursuant to this article." - HB 492, Pg. 38, Lines 5-12
"During a state of public health emergency, no private person, firm or corporation and employees and agents of such person, firm or corporation in the performance of a contract with and under the direction of the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions under the provisions of this article shall be civilly liable for causing the death of or injury to any person or damage to any property except in the event of gross negligence or willful misconduct." - HB 492, Pg. 38, Line 25 to Pg. 39 Line 2
The State also assumes the power to destroy property and as was just referenced, the Commonwealth nor any of its agents can be held accountable or liable for damages. This provision violates the clear
rule that private property cannot be taken for public use without just compensation.
"The public health authority shall, for examination purposes, close, evacuate or decontaminate any facility or decontaminate or destroy any material when the authority reasonably suspects that such facility or material may endanger the public health."
- HB 492, Pg. 12, Lines 3-7
The State's emergency powers further include the power . . .
"to control, restrict and regulate by rationing and using quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing, allocation or other means, the use, sale, dispensing, distribution or transportation of food, fuel, clothing and other commodities, alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives and combustibles" –
HB 492, Pg. 18, Lines 18-24
Similar legislation was introduced in Massachusetts and made national news and has met with much resistance.
Please help get the word out about this.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/vaccinations/news.php?q=1255458611
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http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2009&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0492&pn=0544
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Holy shit!!! This is getting out of hand. First MA, now PA?
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People have to be honest and realize that much of this wouldn't even be attempted to push thru without the "wink, wink, nod, nod" agenda being set by the current admin.
Also, the people who elected these loons knew exactly what they were getting. To claim otherwise is a lie.
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People have to be honest and realize that much of this wouldn't even be attempted to push thru without the "wink, wink, nod, nod" agenda being set by the current admin.
Also, the people who elected these loons knew exactly what they were getting. To claim otherwise is a lie.
::) no, i didn't know and no I don't know that mccain would have been better. I only know that I'm not likley to ever vote for a dem or repub again, ever
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The people of penn should be rioting in the streets, but, american idol is on so who cares.
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::) no, i didn't know and no I don't know that mccain would have been better. I only know that I'm not likley to ever vote for a dem or repub again, ever
MCPAININTHEASS, would have probably done the same thing.
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Forced Vaccinations - HB 492 - The General Assembly of Pennsylvania - Session of 2009 - Emergency Health Powers and Procedures - authorizes on the basis of one man's opinion - the governor - forced medical examinations, forced isolations and quarantines, forced relocations, prohibitions of firearms, and forced vaccinations. See attached copy of legislation and please do not miss the following:
"The public health authority may, for such period as the state of public health emergency exists, compel a person to be vaccinated"
- HB 492, Pg. 28, Line 29 to Pg. 29, Line 3
"A person who fails to comply with this section commits a misdemeanor of the third degree."
- HB 492, Pg. 29, Lines 20-21
"The public health authority shall have the power to enforce the provisions of this article through the imposition of fines and penalties, the issuance of orders and such other remedies as are provided by law."
- HB 492, Pg. 36, Lines 22-25
Based on the above, it appears that a patient who refuses vaccination may be incarcerated and fined under the above provisions. Further, scientific evidence is now clear that vaccines can and have done harm to the patient and have even caused death. If the vaccination actually harms the patient, government officials and health care providers are exempt from civil damages except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct, facts very difficult to prove.
"State immunity.-Neither the Commonwealth, its political subdivisions, nor, except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct, the Governor, the public health authority or any other State official referenced in this article shall be liable for the death of or any injury to persons or damage to property as a result of complying with or attempting to comply with this article or any rule or regulations promulgated pursuant to this article." - HB 492, Pg. 38, Lines 5-12
"During a state of public health emergency, no private person, firm or corporation and employees and agents of such person, firm or corporation in the performance of a contract with and under the direction of the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions under the provisions of this article shall be civilly liable for causing the death of or injury to any person or damage to any property except in the event of gross negligence or willful misconduct." - HB 492, Pg. 38, Line 25 to Pg. 39 Line 2
The State also assumes the power to destroy property and as was just referenced, the Commonwealth nor any of its agents can be held accountable or liable for damages. This provision violates the clear
rule that private property cannot be taken for public use without just compensation.
"The public health authority shall, for examination purposes, close, evacuate or decontaminate any facility or decontaminate or destroy any material when the authority reasonably suspects that such facility or material may endanger the public health."
- HB 492, Pg. 12, Lines 3-7
The State's emergency powers further include the power . . .
"to control, restrict and regulate by rationing and using quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing, allocation or other means, the use, sale, dispensing, distribution or transportation of food, fuel, clothing and other commodities, alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives and combustibles" –
HB 492, Pg. 18, Lines 18-24
Similar legislation was introduced in Massachusetts and made national news and has met with much resistance.
Please help get the word out about this.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/vaccinations/news.php?q=1255458611
scary
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::) no, i didn't know and no I don't know that mccain would have been better. I only know that I'm not likley to ever vote for a dem or repub again, ever
So you didn't know that this was the type of agenda Obama was going to push for? Yeah.....ok....... ::)
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It is all about money. Follow the money and you will likely find some peeps very close to Obama getting rich off all of this governemnt forced immunizations and what not. It's all bullshit. Until I see people dropping dead in the streets you won't see a needle in my shoulder! Never ONCE had a flu shot, haven't had the flu in over a decade. At times around terribly sick people whilst being a binge drinker and still nope no flu.
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So you didn't know that this was the type of agenda Obama was going to push for? Yeah.....ok....... ::)
no i didn't. ::) perhaps you can show where this was a campaign promise. His talk was opposite! and mccain would have served the corporations all the same. If you don't know that the joke is on you. I just figured there was a better chance obama wouldn't and i was wrong. but saying i knew this and voted it is bullshit.
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So you didn't know that this was the type of agenda Obama was going to push for? Yeah.....ok....... Roll Eyes
I will back Hugo on this subject.
Obama ran as a centrist, a moderate, he promised to be a new kind of politician. Hugo took him at him his word. Was Hugo fooled ? yep, just like I was fooled by Bush, who ran as a true conservative, but it took me well into Bush's second term to admit that I was fooled ( Bush's out of control spending, Harriet Mieirs, shAmnesty and etc..) and that Bush was not a conservative. Hugo admitted he was fooled within 6 months of Obama's term as President. You cant get any more honest than that. Hugo and I probably disagree as much as we agree, but with out a doubt, Hugo is pro 2nd Amendment, and against forced Vaccinations, and has been for years , as long as I have been a member on here (2004) and I take Hugo at his word 100%
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I will back Hugo on this subject.
Obama ran as a centrist, a moderate, he promised to be a new kind of politician. Hugo took him at him his word. Was Hugo fooled ? yep, just like I was fooled by Bush, who ran as a true conservative, but it took me well into Bush's second term to admit that I was fooled ( Bush's out of control spending, Harriet Mieirs, shAmnesty and etc..) and that Bush was not a conservative. Hugo admitted he was fooled within 6 months of Obama's term as President. You cant get any more honest than that. Hugo and I probably disagree as much as we agree, but with out a doubt, Hugo is pro 2nd Amendment, and against forced Vaccinations, and has been for years , as long as I have been a member on here (2004) and I take Hugo at his word 100%
thanks bro! yea, I fucked up with my vote.
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thanks bro! yea, I fucked up with my vote.
welcome to the club!
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no i didn't. ::) perhaps you can show where this was a campaign promise. His talk was opposite! and mccain would have served the corporations all the same. If you don't know that the joke is on you. I just figured there was a better chance obama wouldn't and i was wrong. but saying i knew this and voted it is bullshit.
While I understand what youre saying bro, you cant really say that this wasnt a good possibility.
Many many many MANY ppl on here showed obama for what he was, his actions, his connections, his personal ties...to say that you had no idea that this was going to be the road obama went down is assinine.
If you didnt then you didnt listen to a damn word or watch one clip or care about any connections he had.
Actions speak much louder then words hugo and by his actions this is exactly what many on here said we would get.
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While I understand what youre saying bro, you cant really say that this wasnt a good possibility.
Many many many MANY ppl on here showed obama for what he was, his actions, his connections, his personal ties...to say that you had no idea that this was going to be the road obama went down is assinine.
If you didnt then you didnt listen to a damn word or watch one clip or care about any connections he had.
Actions speak much louder then words hugo and by his actions this is exactly what many on here said we would get.
if you want to hold me personally responsible for Obama, fucking fine, I don't give a flying fuck. go right ahead.
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if you want to hold me personally responsible for Obama, fucking fine, I don't give a flying fuck. go right ahead.
What state do you live in Hugo?
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What state do you live in Hugo?
I voted in Wyoming and yea, I knew going in to vote that it didn't matter how I voted, McCain would get that state by a landslide.
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I voted in Wyoming and yea, I knew going in to vote that it didn't matter how I voted, McCain would get that state by a landslide.
The reason I asked is that no one can thus hold you personally responsible for Obama.
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The reason I asked is that no one can thus hold you personally responsible for Obama.
yea, I know what you mean but I still pushed for him and that matters.
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I voted in Wyoming and yea, I knew going in to vote that it didn't matter how I voted, McCain would get that state by a landslide.
For some reason I thought you lived in Colorado, maybe you wrote about the Denver Broncos team a while back.
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Damn James...I think that's the longest post I've ever seen you write! :D
As to the topic, right now the bill is in committee. Hard to tell if it will survive beyond that, but I have little doubt that an asswipe like Rendell would sign it. Hopefully, if it does progress any further, we'll get national coverage to help put a lot of pressure on the State politicians.
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yea, I know what you mean but I still pushed for him and that matters.
How the hell do you think I felt in February 2005 when I worked on GWB campaign and then he proceeded to try to jam amnesty down out throats and called us all vigilantes and racists for not wanting that mess???
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For some reason I thought you lived in Colorado, maybe you wrote about the Denver Broncos team a while back.
I go back and forth. Spent most of the Bush years in Colorado. I'll probably be going back because I love it down there but don't have plans yet.
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Damn James...I think that's the longest post I've ever seen you write! :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=303945.0;attach=345625;image)
LOL !!
I work during the day (sales) when I normally post, so I cant afford to make long post most of the time.
But now it is late, and free from work.
Why I am on here with the rest of you on a Friday night is another question.... :)
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How the hell do you think I felt in February 2005 when I worked on GWB campaign and then he proceeded to try to jam amnesty down out throats and called us all vigilantes and racists for not wanting that mess???
same here.
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same here.
I remember that night he was elected and he gave the "political capital" speech and I had a bad feeling like something bad was going to happen.
I never liked Kerry, dont get me wrong, its just I remember that night since I was in Jax Fl helping out down there and watching that with tons of other people and just not feeling right about that speech. It seemed very selfish to me.
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I remember that night he was elected and he gave the "political capital" speech and I had a bad feeling like something bad was going to happen.
I never liked Kerry, dont get me wrong, its just I remember that night since I was in Jax Fl helping out down there and watching that with tons of other people and just not feeling right about that speech. It seemed very selfish to me.
If you look at the pols, more people consider themselves a conservative than any thing else. That is why McCain lost (I think), as many conservatives felt betrayed by Bush, and did not vote in the last election. Did not want to be fooled again.
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LOL !!
I work during the day (sales) when I normally post, so I cant afford to make long post most of the time.
But now it is late, and free from work.
Why I am on here with the rest of you on a Friday night is another question.... :)
Eh...I'm married with 3 kids and just got back from a high school football game. My party nights are behind me. Kinda sad, but I wouldn't trade it for anything...
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They're just going to keep fucking us like this too. So fellas, what do we do? Maybe a thread for ideas? I mean it sure would be nice to get some people into government not hellbent on jerking the people over. We're going to go back and forth between jerkoff dems and republicans unless something is done. Really, honest question, what the hell can people do about it?
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Eh...I'm married with 3 kids and just got back from a high school football game. My party nights are behind me. Kinda sad, but I wouldn't trade it for anything...
Me neither
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If you look at the pols, more people consider themselves a conservative than any thing else. That is why McCain lost (I think), as many conservatives felt betrayed by Bush, and did not vote in the last election. Did not want to be fooled again.
Amnesty was the one issue, especially after 9/11, that made my blood boil with Bush more than anything because it was so obvious that his business buddies' interests were more important than national security in that area. Additionally, he had the nonsense compassionate conservative crap that only threw the base under the bus at every opportunity.
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if you want to hold me personally responsible for Obama, fucking fine, I don't give a flying fuck. go right ahead.
whos holding you personally responsible bro?
Im simply stating that his actions have been pretty much in step with what alot of ppl said they would be and had proof to back it up.
Again to say you didnt know this would happen means you werent paying attention bro.
I said no matter who got in taxes would get raised even though both said they wouldnt...both would have passed a stimulus plan
you know i like you man but call a spade a spade, obama acted like this from day one what made you think he was going to change after he got elected?
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They're just going to keep fucking us like this too. So fellas, what do we do? Maybe a thread for ideas? I mean it sure would be nice to get some people into government not hellbent on jerking the people over. We're going to go back and forth between jerkoff dems and republicans unless something is done. Really, honest question, what the hell can people do about it?
Good question.
I kinda view D.C. as an overweight woman, who has maxed out all her credit cards. She needs to be put on a diet, and have her credit cards cut up. .
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Good question.
I kinda view D.C. as an overweight woman, who has maxed out all her credit cards. She needs to be put on a diet, and have her credit cards cut up. Their was one man in the election that could have done just that , A Doctor, named Ron Paul. oh well......
I feel more like DC is lawrence from Full Metal Jacket.
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I feel more like DC is lawrence from Full Metal Jacket.
;D
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whos holding you personally responsible bro?
Im simply stating that his actions have been pretty much in step with what alot of ppl said they would be and had proof to back it up.
Again to say you didnt know this would happen means you werent paying attention bro.
I said no matter who got in taxes would get raised even though both said they wouldnt...both would have passed a stimulus plan
you know i like you man but call a spade a spade, obama acted like this from day one what made you think he was going to change after he got elected?
you're right, I was totally clueless and wasn't paying attention. I'm sure everyone knows that's who I am. I'm sure there's absolutely no excuse for what I did other than that I just wasn't paying attention. Thanks for your oh so keen insight tony.
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I feel more like DC is lawrence from Full Metal Jacket.
LOL!!! TRUE!
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you're right, I was totally clueless and wasn't paying attention. I'm sure everyone knows that's who I am. I'm sure there's absolutely no excuse for what I did other than that I just wasn't paying attention. Thanks for your oh so keen insight tony.
you know thats not what i meant bro, no need to get all butt hurt about it
by the way
I have some ocean front property in arizona to sell you for cheap ;) trust me at my word after all you did obama right?
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you know thats not what i meant bro, no need to get all butt hurt about it
by the way
I have some ocean front property in arizona to sell you for cheap ;) trust me at my word after all you did obama right?
The problem was that the dems were so eager to beat Bush and Palin that they did not really vet Obama and consider what exactly they were getting. Alot of dems i spoke to got wrapped up in the MSM spin and refused to look at anything negative about the guy.
Of course they wrote me off as a right wing nut, but I am far more informed than the average idiot out there, and like it or not, I knew a of this was going to happen.
Just by virtue of the fact that Obama raised most of his money from wall street and GS says all i need to know about him.
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you know thats not what i meant bro, no need to get all butt hurt about it
by the way
I have some ocean front property in arizona to sell you for cheap ;) trust me at my word after all you did obama right?
lol, you just basically said that's not what you meant but that's what you meant. Tony, sorry, I really don't give a flying fuck about your opinion. you never listen to what a person says and usually twist what they say to mean what you want anyway.
so really, "bla bla bla"--Tony
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Hugo, I appreciate your honesty. I guess I saw Obama as being so full of thit and transparent, that I couldn't understand why people couldn't see it. I think most likely in your case, you just wanted so badly to believe it....happens to everybody. I have done it myself on more than one occasion.
And as for your "what do we do?" I agree. When I sit down and talk with a coherent group of people, I'm always amazed at how often we can come to some type of consensus on things, yet the dimwits in Washington are just sooooo concerned with partisanship, taking care of their pork-belly projects and ego's that they really, really just don't give two shits about any of us.
For example on healthcare reform.......it's a political move on both sides of the isle, for the most part, because they are already taken care of and NEVER have to worry about it for the rest of their lives. Make ALL of them fall under the same/plan and guidelines and see how quickly it would probably improve.
I think one giant step towards fixing all of the mess is serious term limits and tone down the "perks" they receive so that people who run are closer to doing it for the right reason, which is supposed to be to serve their country, and not just as a career to line their pockets.
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Hugo, I appreciate your honesty. I guess I saw Obama as being so full of thit and transparent, that I couldn't understand why people couldn't see it. I think most likely in your case, you just wanted so badly to believe it....happens to everybody. I have done it myself on more than one occasion.
And as for your "what do we do?" I agree. When I sit down and talk with a coherent group of people, I'm always amazed at how often we can come to some type of consensus on things, yet the dimwits in Washington are just sooooo concerned with partisanship, taking care of their pork-belly projects and ego's that they really, really just don't give two shits about any of us.
For example on healthcare reform.......it's a political move on both sides of the isle, for the most part, because they are already taken care of and NEVER have to worry about it for the rest of their lives. Make ALL of them fall under the same/plan and guidelines and see how quickly it would probably improve.
I think one giant step towards fixing all of the mess is serious term limits and tone down the "perks" they receive so that people who run are closer to doing it for the right reason, which is supposed to be to serve their country, and not just as a career to line their pockets.
Good post.
Most of the obama voters I know were so filled with disgust for Bush that they refused to really consider just who they were voting for. even now, i know a bunch of obama voters who have doubled down on stupid with regard to what he is all about and the people around him. These people are hopeless and will never ackowledge the reality we face and that the same gang is in charge.