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(CBS/ AP) President Barack Obama made a midnight dash to this air base Wednesday to honor the return of fallen soldiers, absorbing the ultimate cost of war as the United States endures its deadliest month of the Afghanistan campaign.
On a clear fall night, Mr. Obama flew by Marine One helicopter to Dover Air Force Base to greet the flag-draped cases of 18 Americans killed in action this week.
After landing, the president, wearing a dark topcoat, got into a motorcade to a base chapel, where he met privately with families of the fallen Americans. He had arrived on the base at 12:34 a.m. Thursday and returned to the White House before dawn.
Mr. Obama was taking part in a solemn process, to unfold in four movements: the transfer of the fallen 15 soldiers and three Drug Enforcement Agency agents from the back of the C-17 to a transport vehicle to a base mortuary.
As part of the official party, Mr. Obama was to go on the plane, each time witnessing silently as a chaplain said a prayer for the fallen, the family, the country and the war effort.
A president of two inherited wars, Mr. Obama is winding down U.S. involvement in Iraq, but the troubled war in Afghanistan is only widening. His dramatic visit to witness remains of the fallen comes as he weighs whether to send more troops into the Afghan war zone.
Mr. Obama meets tomorrow with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other military leaders as he weighs whether to send more troops into the war zone, reports CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante.
The White House kept Mr. Obama's plans off his schedule, informing a small group of traveling reporters in advance on condition of secrecy.
The Pentagon this year lifted its 18-year ban on media covering the return of U.S. service members killed in action if family permission is provided. With Mr. Obama in attendance, the media were to witness the transfer of one fallen soldier: Sgt. Dale R. Griffin of Terre Haute, Ind.
The flag-draped remains of Griffin were to be carried off the plane by six Army soldiers in fatigues and black berets. The transfer case then was being placed in a vehicle to be taken to the mortuary facility on the base.
The rest of the solemn morning was kept out of sight of the press on family wishes.
The Dover base, about 100 miles from the White House, is the entry point for service personnel killed overseas.
Mr. Obama's predecessor, President George W. Bush, visited the families of hundreds of fallen soldiers but did not attend any military funerals or go to Dover to receive the coffins.
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President Obama shows Class and Respect for the fallen where Chickenhawk Bush could not !!
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Bush going to the actual homes of the fallen is non-event?
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Bush not dragging the media around with him and actually giving a shit about us...PRICELESS.
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Bush not dragging the media around with him
well, bush did use a fake turkey for a made-for-tv thanksgiving event...
if that's not dragging the media - with props - I don't know what is.
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All it was is a photo op for him.
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All it was is a photo op for him.
I hope that's not true. If any president uses this as a political photo op, it's wrong. I don't care how they do it, but they should respect AND honor the fallen. If I see them making a big PR campaign like thing out of it, I'll call it BS. At the same time I want to see the president is there to see them and feel/respect the results of his decisions. There's a line. Was it crossed? I didn't see it and I would call it if I had.
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well, bush did use a fake turkey for a made-for-tv thanksgiving event...
if that's not dragging the media - with props - I don't know what is.
Ah I happen to know a guy that was there and it was not a prop
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Ah I happen to know a guy that was there and it was not a prop
The White House said the turkey was a decoration adorning the steam table where GIs picked up their food on cafeteria-style trays.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/04/politics/main586761.shtml
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So, your comparing a turkey with fallen soldiers? :-\
What the crack??? ???
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This was a TOTAL photo op for President Obama. Only one family gave the thumbs up for him to do this. He could care less about our soldiers. You see it in his pathetic, half-assed salute whenever he gets off of Marine One!!! That pisses me off EVERY time I see him get off of that helicopter.
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of course it was a photo op.
IMO, if these guys don't visit the troops BEFORE they get into office, then when they do it as prez it's only because it's part of the job description. that goes for both parties.
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This was a TOTAL photo op for President Obama. Only one family gave the thumbs up for him to do this. He could care less about our soldiers. You see it in his pathetic, half-assed salute whenever he gets off of Marine One!!! That pisses me off EVERY time I see him get off of that helicopter.
If you're sure about this, then fine. But you need to be sure to launch this accusation. It's not fair to the fallen if not. IMO he needs to do this. I want to see every president who makes these decisions pay their respect and see. If you're not sure this was BS, that's almost as bad as the accusation imo. I respect you and the posts you make here. I only ask that you don't play politics with this and you're sure of the accusation.
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Here's an example of Obama's half-a$$ed salute.
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If you're sure about this, then fine. But you need to be sure to launch this accusation. It's not fair to the fallen if not. IMO he needs to do this. I want to see every president who makes these decisions pay their respect and see. If you're not sure this was BS, that's almost as bad as the accusation imo. I respect you and the posts you make here. I only ask that you don't play politics with this and you're sure of the accusation.
I appreciate your respect, Hugo. That means alot to me coming from you.
I truly believe that President Obama is as anti-military as he is pro-choice. Can I prove that? Absolutely not. But in looking at what he's allowed with respect to the security of our allied nations (Poland, etc), the decision to allow cuts to the defense budget that are sure to come, and the manner in which he has gone about interacting with military officials...it's apparent to me at least, that he is not one to do all that he can for the American Soldier.
Someone like HH6 or others who have served would be a better judge of who the president is. My roommate from college was in Irag for the past 2-3 years. He sees our president as a failure with regard to support. And although he is but one soldier, my roommate from college provides me with some insight as to what is going on. And I respect him with the utmost respect.
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I appreciate your respect, Hugo. That means alot to me coming from you.
I truly believe that President Obama is as anti-military as he is pro-choice. Can I prove that? Absolutely not. But in looking at what he's allowed with respect to the security of our allied nations (Poland, etc), the decision to allow cuts to the defense budget that are sure to come, and the manner in which he has gone about interacting with military officials...it's apparent to me at least, that he is not one to do all that he can for the American Soldier.
Someone like HH6 or others who have served would be a better judge of who the president is. My roommate from college was in Irag for the past 2-3 years. He sees our president as a failure with regard to support. And although he is but one soldier, my roommate from college provides me with some insight as to what is going on. And I respect him with the utmost respect.
as far as a failure in regards to support for vets, and i'm not just talking about funding the military, I consider most presidents a complete failure. IMO these guys get screwed compared to what they deserve. I just know that I would have been more offended to see the president dodge being a witness to the results of his decisions. I want to see presidents pay their respect. I don't care how they do it as long as they don't make a huge production of it for political gain.
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as far as a failure in regards to support for vets, and i'm not just talking about funding the military, I consider most presidents a complete failure. IMO these guys get screwed compared to what they deserve. I just know that I would have been more offended to see the president dodge being a witness to the results of his decisions. I want to see presidents pay their respect. I don't care how they do it as long as they don't make a huge production of it for political gain.
agreed.
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hugo you think its a coincidence that obama ok'd the media pictures of our fallen soldiers coming home? LOL while i will not call this an outright political stunt as im sure on some level there is a sentiment of sincerity. Everything obama does is done for PR and this is no different this man is a non stop campaign which is great until you realize wtf he is actually doing.
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I know that Bush refused media coverage and he met with alot of famlies as did Mrs Bush. This stuff wasn't reported by the media but if u dig u can find it on alot of the milblog sites. He went to Walter Reed alot and met with our kids. Barry didn't need media at that event..he should have had his White House photo guy who is there to document and the photo should never have been released.
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hugo you think its a coincidence that obama ok'd the media pictures of our fallen soldiers coming home? LOL while i will not call this an outright political stunt as im sure on some level there is a sentiment of sincerity. Everything obama does is done for PR and this is no different this man is a non stop campaign which is great until you realize wtf he is actually doing.
you know, I've actually realized a lot of what he's doing that I don't like. I'm one of the few Obama voters here that has and have been open about it. There are other things to consider here, ON THIS ISSUE, 1. The military personel that lost their lives plus their familes. 2. If Obama was out of line with political intent in how he handled this. All I'm saying is it's not cool for the Number 1 if Number 2 is true and it's just as not cool for number 1 if Number 2 is a false accusation. For these familes, it probably means something to have the president pay respect. IMO, you and I and everyone needs to be very sure in what we're saying on these matters. Respect imo is of the utmost importance and as much as you would like it to be as easy as other issues, it is not. Make sure on this issue that there was wrong done before you say it. Thank you.
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I know that Bush refused media coverage and he met with alot of famlies as did Mrs Bush. This stuff wasn't reported by the media but if u dig u can find it on alot of the milblog sites. He went to Walter Reed alot and met with our kids. Barry didn't need media at that event..he should have had his White House photo guy who is there to document and the photo should never have been released.
I do remember Bush doing that and I actually remember photos and video of him doing it. That's totally good imo. I want to see that and I want the president to do that. I just don't want a major production made of it for political purposes. I'm not sure Obama in this case or Bush is guilty of that. It's a serious accusation imo, and a tightrope for the president to walk.
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you know, I've actually realized a lot of what he's doing that I don't like. I'm one of the few Obama voters here that has and have been open about it. There are other things to consider here, ON THIS ISSUE, 1. The military personel that lost their lives plus their familes. 2. If Obama was out of line with political intent in how he handled this. All I'm saying is it's not cool for the Number 1 if Number 2 is true and it's just as not cool for number 1 if Number 2 is a false accusation. For these familes, it probably means something to have the president pay respect. IMO, you and I and everyone needs to be very sure in what we're saying on these matters. Respect imo is of the utmost importance and as much as you would like it to be as easy as other issues, it is not. Make sure on this issue that there was wrong done before you say it. Thank you.
agreed i dont think a photo op which is what this was needs to be anywhere near this place. What purpose does it serve to the families of the fallen to have photos taken and posted on the internet?
This was a photo op I commend him for going and showing his respect for our fallen soldiers but there was no need for a camera. That is a solemn moment and one that doesnt need to be given the opportunity to be politicized which is what obama allows and wants to do...The fly by of air force one in NYC ring a bell to you hugo? Trust dude this is just yet another step in the campaign that is obamas career
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agreed i dont think a photo op which is what this was needs to be anywhere near this place. What purpose does it serve to the families of the fallen to have photos taken and posted on the internet?
This was a photo op I commend him for going and showing his respect for our fallen soldiers but there was no need for a camera. That is a solemn moment and one that doesnt need to be given the opportunity to be politicized which is what obama allows and wants to do...The fly by of air force one in NYC ring a bell to you hugo? Trust dude this is just yet another step in the campaign that is obamas career
dude, I'm fine seeing a picture of the president doing this. I'm not fine with the pic or video blown into anything more than it is. Like I said, I WANT TO SEE that the president has done this even if I don't like the president. I want to see Bush do it, I want to see Obama do it, I want to see all of them do it. I DON'T want to see it used PAST that. If you don't have info that it's being used past that, kindly STFU. Like I said, it's goes two ways here. Are you helping the troops with this? Are you hurting some of them by saying this? You better be fucking sure of the political accusations here for fuck sake.
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dude, I'm fine seeing a picture of the president doing this. I'm not fine with the pic or video blown into anything more than it is. Like I said, I WANT TO SEE that the president has done this even if I don't like the president. I want to see Bush do it, I want to see Obama do it, I want to see all of them do it. I DON'T want to see it used PAST that. If you don't have info that it's being used past that, kindly STFU. Like I said, it's goes two ways here. Are you helping the troops with this? Are you hurting some of them by saying this? You better be fucking sure of the political accusations here for fuck sake.
agreed but like i said and you know these images will get politicized which is exactly why these things dont need to be presented to the public. A simple write up or press release of how the president attended this would suffice Obama knew and knows this will be politicized.
Again hugo you think it was a coincidence that obama ok'd the pictures of our fallen soldiers coming home?
I dont think im helping or hurting the troops hugo I see a man exploiting a situation and I dont like it. Like I said this is a solemn and serious event and if you know this shit will be politicized which you know it will you have a duty to preserve that solemn event and not present pictures that will be used in ways other than what they were intended for.
and please dont act like I want to hurt or dont support our troops
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it's a downgrade to the character, but Tony, you are without a doubt my Moriarty... I have zero respect for you.
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it's a downgrade to the character, but Tony, you are without a doubt my Moriarty... I have zero respect for you.
LOL you're entitled to your opinion bro
You're still cool in my book but I don't really give a shit what your opinion of me is ;D
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I don't really give a shit what your opinion of me is ;D
you took the words right out of my mouth...