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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: 20inch calves on November 07, 2009, 08:25:01 PM
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first of all rogers did alot better than i thought he would. i really think he would do ok in the ufc. with that being said the guy is an idiot. he talked crazy during the showtime special then after he got knocked out he talks crazy and gets booed during his post fight interview. i mean he wasn;t even humbeled after his defeat..if big john wouldn;t have stepped in rogers face would have smashed and he would be in the emergency room right now. its time these american fighters act more humble..fedor is a great example of how a fighter should carry himself
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i bet dana white will still talk crap about fedor come monday
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first of all rogers did alot better than i thought he would. i really think he would do ok in the ufc. with that being said the guy is an idiot. he talked crazy during the showtime special then after he got knocked out he talks crazy and gets booed during his post fight interview. i mean he wasn;t even humbeled after his defeat..if big john wouldn;t have stepped in rogers face would have smashed and he would be in the emergency room right now. its time these american fighters act more humble..fedor is a great example of how a fighter should carry himself
Don't judge Americans because of one bafoon.
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Don't judge Americans because of one bafoon.
i understand that they all don;t act like that but the majority do. MOST american athletes act like that..nfl, baseball basketball.i am just saying that they could learn from fedor..he is very humble. just because you are the best doesn;t mean that you have to act like it. if you are everyone knows it anyway..thats all i am saying
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Rogers had Fedor in a little bit of trouble on the ground, but Fedor countered with serious sub threats.
Brock would have one round to finish Fedor if he got him on the ground. If he couldn't, he'd get subbed or ko'd just like Brett did.
A legend in action. History in the making. And this time for free on CBS.
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i understand that they all don;t act like that but the majority do. MOST american athletes act like that..nfl, baseball basketball.i am just saying that they could learn from fedor..he is very humble. just because you are the best doesn;t mean that you have to act like it. if you are everyone knows it anyway..thats all i am saying
I agree 100% Fedor is amazing!!
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Fedor out of shape. Gets cut. Bret takes advantage but somehow can't come up with the chops to knock the Russian out. Fedor smells blood, literally, and knocks the fuck out of him.
This is such script we've seen before.
It's getting boring now. The promoters ought to demand fighters come into decent shape and REALLY ready for fights.
Rogers was not ready.
NEXT.
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i bet dana white will still talk crap about fedor come monday
This is such an embarrassment for the UFC. They're the top MMA org in the world, but, they don't have the #1 Heavyweight.
I'll bet, everyday, Dana hopes Fedor will announce his retirement.
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This is such an embarrassment for the UFC. They're the top MMA org in the world, but, they don't have the #1 Heavyweight.
I'll bet, everyday, Dana hopes Fedor will announce his retirement.
Dana White could have had Fedor in the UFC if Dana would have kept his ego out of negotiations.
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Rogers was not ready.
Rogers looked the best that I have ever seen of him. Guy came in looking to win and fought hard.
Fedor is the best and knocked him out.
Seemed like a pretty good fight to me.
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Who the Fuck is Rogers? Fedor beats another can. So what. He is the Floyd Mayweather of MMA.
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wasnt it brett who was knocking brock out in training?
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wasnt it brett who was knocking brock out in training?
Yes it was,
If the grim can't slaugther fedor than the steroid cow's rabbit punches won't do shit either.
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Fedor is definitely in a class by himself - but he is not light years ahead of everybody out there. Rogers showed that his freakish strength carried the fight into the second round -Fedor tried to submit him a few times and Rogers powered his way out of it- impressive. Rogers showed he punches like a mule kicks, I think he would eat Brock up if Brock did not get it to the ground QUICKLY. Take a guy with Rogers size,strength, punching power and give him a solid submission game and Fedor can be beaten, he will be beaten eventually, they all are.
I think Rogers would do VERY WELL in the UFC, I haven't seen enough of Carwin and the Cain to make a decision on how those fights would go. Fedor definitely has the mental edge over most if not all of his opponents, that is HUGE in the final analysis of him.
Rogers did a good job, I think he and his camp have A LOT to be proud of . I think Rogers could use some of Fedors humility, but I also understand Rogers is young,competitive and was frustrated.
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After watching Fedor last night Brock has the best chance of beating him
Just my humble opinion
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the biggest shock for me was the size of that event, i had no idea strikeforce were big enough to totally pack a huge arena like that. the numbers attending looked on par with a ufc big card. as an organisation strikeforce looks like its being run well and i hope to see many more cards.
id love to see fedor vs overeem but it will have to happen overseas so he can pass the gear test.
funny when the only 2 men in the world (overeem and brock) who people think have a chance are total steroid abusers and i say that without meaning to take away the fact that both of them reguardless are fantastic athletes.
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id much rather see overeem than brock.
the brock fight is more of a dream fight in peoples head as they see brock as being superhuman.
brocks huge improvement is not striking or submission. his advantage is he uses his wrestlin and superior strength to hold people down and ground and pound them.
there is no one on the planet who has come close to ground and pounding fedor, leaving brock with no advantage and forced to play sub or strike and we know how that ends.
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Excellent card-- All the fights were entertaining
Fedor does what he always does, but Rogers impressed me. He did way better than I expected he would.
Some people have mentioned that Fedor will not be as dominant in the cage as he is in the ring. I dont think he will lose anytime soon, but I feel that last night we witnessed some rust in his armor. A big strong guy can at the very least impose his will on Fedor and pressure him in the cage.
I still feel like he would beat Brock, but after last night I do think it would be much tougher a task that I thought it would be.
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rogers showed he has got massive potential taking it to fedor but he lost due to inexperience, but fedors time is slowly passing him by because of his age and the new breed of heavyweight contenders coming up through the ranks.
fedor is the last fighter to have all the skills necessary to defeat a fighter bigger, stronger and hits harder than him. but even the great joe lewis eventually couldnt keep up with the younger fighters when he got old. only thing stopping fedor is his age.
ALL HAIL THE LAST EMPEROR!!!!!!
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ALL HAIL THE LAST EMPEROR!!!!!!
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Excellent card-- All the fights were entertaining
Fedor does what he always does, but Rogers impressed me. He did way better than I expected he would.
Some people have mentioned that Fedor will not be as dominant in the cage as he is in the ring. I dont think he will lose anytime soon, but I feel that last night we witnessed some rust in his armor. A big strong guy can at the very least impose his will on Fedor and pressure him in the cage.
I still feel like he would beat Brock, but after last night I do think it would be much tougher a task that I thought it would be.
i agree with you...for me, the only difference in Fedor 'attitude' on the fight, or the way he fought, was the cage factor...He would not be put in pressure like he was if it was a ring...the time Rogers ground n punded him, would only happen if he was in the corner, and even like that he would have more space to escape...The same way he was held in the walls of the cage by rogers....In a ring Fedor would have put in on the ground in 1 second...
IMHO he NEEDS to train in a cage from now on, at least in some part of his trainning...just this little adjustment and its all good
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After watching Fedor last night Brock has the best chance of beating him
Just my humble opinion
Perhaps. But Fedor would smash him. Didn't you see how Fedor tossed around Rogers using Roger's bodyweight against him?
Fedor was impressive.
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Fedor using Rogers (non wrestler) weight against him would not happen against Brock just reality. We can speculate all we want but until Fedor goes to UFC it's not going to happen.
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Of course the fight won't happen as Fedor isn't in the UFC.
I just don't see Brock being in the same league as Fedor. He truly is a living legend.
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just reading on these posts and i've got a couple of thoughts. first of all fedor is the best pound for pound fighter in the world end of story..he is a thinker in the ring watch him before he knocks out rogers he knew what rogers was going to do and his timing was perfect. secondly rogers is not a can he would be in the top 3 or 4 in the ufc right now..and would be a quick contender for the title. thirdly fedor would still run through the ufc right now..no doubt about it....although like someone else said his time is running out. his speed and timing is everything and he will eventually slow down with age
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Dana White could have had Fedor in the UFC if Dana would have kept his ego out of negotiations.
Bunch of nonsense. Fedor and his Russian crew want it to be a co-promotion with M-1. Why would the UFC ever agree to that. If Fedor really wants to fight the best, he should stop being greedy and accept the HUGE UFC offer.
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Fedor KOed Rogers with the same punch he threw as a counter to the jab that broke Fedor's nose. He got his timing down and beat Rogers to the punch. Through the interpreter, he commented about Roger's footwork and knew what was coming. He is magic to watch. Great throws to. Rogers is legit. He'd do well in the UFC.
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Fedor KOed Rogers with the same punch he threw as a counter to the jab that broke Fedor's nose. He got his timing down and beat Rogers to the punch. Through the interpreter, he commented about Roger's footwork and knew what was coming. He is magic to watch. Great throws to. Rogers is legit. He'd do well in the UFC.
Breaking Fedor's nose is a pretty good feather in a fighter's cap, even if it was in a loss.
I guarantee it will be used as a marketing angle for Rogers' next fight.
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Bunch of nonsense. Fedor and his Russian crew want it to be a co-promotion with M-1. Why would the UFC ever agree to that. If Fedor really wants to fight the best, he should stop being greedy and accept the HUGE UFC offer.
Or what? Dana White will resort to insulting the people who dont give him what he wants.The Fertittas even said they wished Dana would have kept his mouth shut because he's the reason why Fedor never came back to negotiations.
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If Fedor and Brett fought again Fedor would KO him or submit him even quicker. If you look at Fedor's record against guys who he's fought multiple times his second fight with them is pretty much a clinic.
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Or what? Dana White will resort to insulting the people who dont give him what he wants.The Fertittas even said they wished Dana would have kept his mouth shut because he's the reason why Fedor never came back to negotiations.
The Fertittas said that? Can you site your source? As far as the "or what?", either Fedor stops being unreasonable, or he will be relegated to fighting cans in small promotions. Less money and he will ruin his legacy. that's the "so what" ::)
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The Fertittas said that? Can you site your source? As far as the "or what?", either Fedor stops being unreasonable, or he will be relegated to fighting cans in small promotions. Less money and he will ruin his legacy. that's the "so what" ::)
oh yeah, thats why brock with his "legacy" is of course number one in the world and will be remember forever in the hearts of EVERY person who ever watched MMA, because after all, he is the champion of the biggest organization, the only thing that matters...
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but wait...and why dont anyone talk about Tym Silvia? and Arvlosky? and Couture? they were all champions of the biggest organization in the universe...so they have they names in the history FOREVER and Fedor has the risk of loosing 'everything' he has just because he dont fight at least one time there?
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There is much talk of Fedor Vs Lesnar and how Fedor is getting old etc.....Hes actually only a year older thank Lesnar.
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oh yeah, thats why brock with his "legacy" is of course number one in the world and will be remember forever in the hearts of EVERY person who ever watched MMA, because after all, he is the champion of the biggest organization, the only thing that matters...
;D
but wait...and why dont anyone talk about Tym Silvia? and Arvlosky? and Couture? they were all champions of the biggest organization in the universe...so they have they names in the history FOREVER and Fedor has the risk of loosing 'everything' he has just because he dont fight at least one time there?
Weak argument. The fact is that until recently, the UFC heavyweight division sucked. However, that is no longer the case. Most of the best heavyweights are now in the UFC. If Fedor really wants to be #1, he needs to fight the best. That ain't gonna happen at Strikeforce.
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The only ppl i'd like to see face Fedor would be Brock, Big Nog, and maybe Randy. Maybe Carwin depending on how he fares with Brock.
Whats going on with Hunt, Barnett and the like? Why aren't these dudes in UFC?
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We just talked with Mark Hunts people last week and he is launching a new website, etc and is doing a ton of PR. We were promised a interview and news of his next fight before almost everyone else..
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Whats going on with Hunt, Barnett and the like? Why aren't these dudes in UFC?
Its called Test & Coke-a-Cola..... It's a powerful drug!!!
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If Fedor really wants to be #1, he needs to fight the best. That ain't gonna happen at Strikeforce.
Nothing's stopping "the best" to go to strikeforce. Not everyone is willing to suck Dana White's cock - Fedor being last one to do so.
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Nothing's stopping "the best" to go to strikeforce. Not everyone is willing to suck Dana White's cock - Fedor being last one to do so.
Hmmm....let's think about this. If you happen to be one of the best fighters in any weight class, where do you go: UFC with more money, exposure, endorsement opportunities, stability and the chance to be considered the best, or another organization that may or may not be there next year and is unable to put consistent shows together? Clear choice right ???
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Quote from Dana White: "Fedor Emelianenko is a fraud. A flabby relic from the mismanaged days of PRIDE that now hides behind the iron curtain, emerging only to fight hand-picked opponents that pose no threat to a self-proclaimed legacy."
Ha ha ha! So true!!
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Hmmm....let's think about this. If you happen to be one of the best fighters in any weight class, where do you go: UFC with more money, exposure, endorsement opportunities, stability and the chance to be considered the best, or another organization that may or may not be there next year and is unable to put consistent shows together? Clear choice right ???
did'nt you call Fedor "greedy" If he was greedy why did he say no to the bigger offer from the UFC. What exactly is he greedy about. Strikeforce will be an organization that is going to put some dings in the UFC. The fighters will go where they are treated right and where they are making some good money. Most of the fighters on the undercard don't receive shit in regards to pay. Wait till StrikeForce invades Las Vegas with some huge mega fights.
Quote from Dana White: "Fedor Emelianenko is a fraud. A flabby relic from the mismanaged days of PRIDE that now hides behind the iron curtain, emerging only to fight hand-picked opponents that pose no threat to a self-proclaimed legacy."
Ha ha ha! So true!!
hahahaaha so true I don't see why Dana doesn't let one of his tough heavyweights fight in Strikeforce. Can you imagine if that happens and the UFC guy beat Fedor. That would destroy Strikeforce. But it will never happen cause Dana is chicken shit. If Fedor refuses to go to the UFC then the UFC should go to him. But it won't happen. hahahaha so true!!!
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Quote from Dana White: "Fedor Emelianenko is a fraud. A flabby relic from the mismanaged days of PRIDE that now hides behind the iron curtain, emerging only to fight hand-picked opponents that pose no threat to a self-proclaimed legacy."
Ha ha ha! So true!!
1.if you seriously think he fought had picked opponents then you are one of those dana white cock suckers.
2. he fought and defeated the whos who of heavyweights in the world excpet barnett. not one single ufc heavyweight could hold there own against fedor while they were on PEDs and in there primes so what makes you think any current ufc fighter from past and present could win now.
3. dana white learned the hard way that his golden fighters will get demolished if they fought anywhere else besides the ufc. perfect example was when chuck went to pride and dana was at the press conference talking shit about how chuck is the best lhw fighter and how ufc is the greatest company in the world then he gets fuked up by rampage.
and who the fuk is brock lesnar? he has a record of 4-1 and he is the champion of the ever so great ufc heavyweight division and has the balls to call out a fighter who has fought the whos who of heavyweight fighters and won all of them
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I nominate Mindspin be demodded.
Mods should be logical and know what they're talking about.
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Weak argument. The fact is that until recently, the UFC heavyweight division sucked. However, that is no longer the case. Most of the best heavyweights are now in the UFC. If Fedor really wants to be #1, he needs to fight the best. That ain't gonna happen at Strikeforce.
the 'most of the best heavyweights' that you refered are like 2 or 3 guys???? ???
just a question...how do you think Overeen (who is also at strikeforce) would do in UFC?
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but wait...and why dont anyone talk about Tym Silvia? and Arvlosky? and Couture? they were all champions of the biggest organization in the universe...so they have they names in the history FOREVER and Fedor has the risk of loosing 'everything' he has just because he dont fight at least one time there?
Fedor must be really worried about being forgotten compared to Tim Sylvia... ::)
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Hmmm....let's think about this. If you happen to be one of the best fighters in any weight class, where do you go: UFC with more money, exposure, endorsement opportunities, stability and the chance to be considered the best, or another organization that may or may not be there next year and is unable to put consistent shows together? Clear choice right ???
Fedor owns part of the competing organization. Why would he go to UFC and promote it? He would already be in UFC if Dana agreed to do co-promotion.
Fedors the one to be chased. Every fighter has something to prove, but out of all of them, he has the least to prove anything. And I'm sure he's doing just fine financially...
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Fedor owns part of the competing organization. Why would he go to UFC and promote it? He would already be in UFC if Dana agreed to do co-promotion.
Fedors the one to be chased. Every fighter has something to prove, but out of all of them, he has the least to prove anything. And I'm sure he's doing just fine financially...
I'm convinced Mindspin is in love with Dana White. And the UFC offers nothing to Fedor he doesn't already have. The money is not his driving force and they (the UFC) think they can "buy" anyone. The majority of the fans consider Fedor the best in the world in the heavyweight division and he is NOT with the UFC. The UFC needs Fedor way more than he needs the UFC. And if Strikeforce and keep the money coming in and make a very good profit like they did in this last fight then they will be around for a long time and the UFC will have some very stiff competition.
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Amazing.
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UFC offers nothing to Fedor he doesn't already have.
Amen.
Funny how Dana has to talk shit about Fedor but Fedor doesn't have anything bad to say about anyone.
Fedor = most dominating fighter ever and class act all the way
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Amen.
Funny how Dana has to talk shit about Fedor but Fedor doesn't have anything bad to say about anyone.
Fedor = most dominating fighter ever and class act all the way
It is funny how people think Fedor is afraid of the UFC. He isn't there because first he is not desperate. He does not need the money nor the exposure. He is already wealthy and world famous. He has won 32 fights or whatever and has kicked everyone's ass. If Dana was so confident then he should let Lesnar or whoever else fight in Strikeforce and beat the shit out of Fedor. The only problem is he knows they (UFC fighter) will not win. And that beating Fedor would give him would embarass the shit our of the UFC and Dana White. So he knows this so if he is going to be humuliated then he should at least make the most money he can. He is so used to getting fighters to do what he says he is pissed that Fedor has the balls to not do one thing he says. I love it. Mindspin hates it cause it gets Dana pissed and ruins his night. Like I said the fact is the UFC has nothing to offer Fedor. Sad but true. And until Dana lets one of his heavyweights fight Fedor then Fedir is known worldwide as the #1 heavyweight
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Thats not true!
Cmon guys! Spike TV is having some legitimate heavyweights get down for free!!!! Brandon the truth Vera versus Randy Coture coming off his 4th loss in a row!!!!!!!!
Obviosuly Fedor would never step into the cage with either of these top in their prime heavyweights! Vera is a BJJ BROWN BELT --- HELLOOOOOO a bjj brown belt! Fedor would get tapped at his gym by any white belt.
All sarcasm aside, Brett Rodgers would do well in the UFC at heavyweight-- Overeem would very good as well. Fedor just turned ROgers lights out and Overeem is next.
Fedor demonstrated yet again that he could out tough, outt punch and out think a much, bigger, stronger and healthier athelete to a dominating victory.
NO COMP
NUFF SED
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Weak argument. The fact is that until recently, the UFC heavyweight division sucked. However, that is no longer the case. Most of the best heavyweights are now in the UFC. If Fedor really wants to be #1, he needs to fight the best. That ain't gonna happen at Strikeforce.
The UFC HW division still fucking sucks. A guy who has been fighting for less than two years holds the belt and is considered the best in the class. Really deep and skilled alright. ::)
Fedor's legacy has long been sealed. He could retire today and go down as the greatest MMA fighter ever. Beating Brock Lesnar won't change that.
And yes, Mindspin has a raging hard-on for the UFC. My guess is that he's got some sort of vested interest in them. Probably done consulting work or some shit for one of the sponsors or something.
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did'nt you call Fedor "greedy" If he was greedy why did he say no to the bigger offer from the UFC. What exactly is he greedy about. Strikeforce will be an organization that is going to put some dings in the UFC. The fighters will go where they are treated right and where they are making some good money. Most of the fighters on the undercard don't receive shit in regards to pay. Wait till StrikeForce invades Las Vegas with some huge mega fights.
hahahaaha so true I don't see why Dana doesn't let one of his tough heavyweights fight in Strikeforce. Can you imagine if that happens and the UFC guy beat Fedor. That would destroy Strikeforce. But it will never happen cause Dana is chicken shit. If Fedor refuses to go to the UFC then the UFC should go to him. But it won't happen. hahahaha so true!!!
Last time the UFC sent fighters to another organization (the Pride MW GP) they got decimated. Liddell was embarrassed on so many levels it wasn't funny. Luckily for Dana barely anyone knew about PRIDE then. He won't risk an embarrassment like that again.
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!ahhahahahhahahahahah That's great! ;D
I love threads like this where a bunch of guys get all riled up and excited over another man........
shit...........Outed. :-[
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the 'most of the best heavyweights' that you refered are like 2 or 3 guys???? ???
just a question...how do you think Overeen (who is also at strikeforce) would do in UFC?
Overeem ain't gonna pass any AC drug test. He fought at MW (LHW for the UFC) in Pride and is a full forty pounds heavier. He will continue to fight in Nippon where there is no drug test. Mark my words.
Main reason Fedor will not fight in the UFC is the co promotion issue. UFC doesn't need Fedor. Would they like to have him, YES. Would I like to see it? Yes. Would he beat Brock, if Brock is still champ? Yes. Brock must get by Carwin first. If Fedor comes to the UFC, I'd love to see Mir fed to him. Then hype up a fight with whomever is champ.
I think Big Foot should get a shot at Fedor, after Overeem. Fedor will kill Overeem. That guy is a bully. The minute things don't go his way, he folds like a deck of cards. He had Chack on queer street, and should have finished him.
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fedors deal does seem pretty bad. i do think they are taking advantage of him over with m-1..he made 300000 bucks while his manager took a 1.2million fee..come on. i know fedor owns 20 percent of the company but i do think he could have made out better with the ufc. i know its not about money but it just seems crazy
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Who the Fuck is Rogers? Fedor beats another can. So what. He is the Floyd Mayweather of MMA.
Rogers is a guy who's won 10 fights so far, 9 by KO. He is 260 lbs with great boxing skills and destroyed Arlovski, former UFC heavyweight champion, in 10 seconds. Show some more respect. Rogers would demolish anyone in the UFC, because of his power and size, except for Lesnar.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It is funny how people think Fedor is afraid of the UFC. He isn't there because first he is not desperate. He does not need the money nor the exposure. He is already wealthy and world famous. He has won 32 fights or whatever and has kicked everyone's ass. If Dana was so confident then he should let Lesnar or whoever else fight in Strikeforce and beat the shit out of Fedor. The only problem is he knows they (UFC fighter) will not win. And that beating Fedor would give him would embarass the shit our of the UFC and Dana White. So he knows this so if he is going to be humuliated then he should at least make the most money he can. He is so used to getting fighters to do what he says he is pissed that Fedor has the balls to not do one thing he says. I love it. Mindspin hates it cause it gets Dana pissed and ruins his night. Like I said the fact is the UFC has nothing to offer Fedor. Sad but true. And until Dana lets one of his heavyweights fight Fedor then Fedir is known worldwide as the #1 heavyweight
Your ignorance is painful. What does Dana/UFC have to gain by allowing Brock to fight in Strike Force? Nothing. What do they lose? The revenues & and brand building opportunity for what would likely be one of the most viewed fights in MMA history.
Fedor is not fighting in the UFC because he is owned by a bunch of greedy promoters that make Don King look like Gandhi. Have you seen the contract they had with Affliction? It's a joke ::)
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OMG! That's fucking AWESOME!!!
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Your ignorance is painful. What does Dana/UFC have to gain by allowing Brock to fight in Strike Force? Nothing. What do they lose? The revenues & and brand building opportunity for what would likely be one of the most viewed fights in MMA history.
Fedor is not fighting in the UFC because he is owned by a bunch of greedy promoters that make Don King look like Gandhi. Have you seen the contract they had with Affliction? It's a joke ::)
Greedy promoters as opposed to the angels that run the UFC? He could be exploited by M-1 or UFC. Not much of a difference.
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Greedy promoters as opposed to the angels that run the UFC? He could be exploited by M-1 or UFC. Not much of a difference.
Really? With the UFC he can hold a real belt, fight real opponents, be made into a Superstar in the US, make more money and have longevity with an organization that will continue to grow and be around for a long time. What does he get with M-1?
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Really? With the UFC he can hold a real belt, fight real opponents, be made into a Superstar in the US, make more money and have longevity with an organization that will continue to grow and be around for a long time. What does he get with M-1?
once again, for what i understand the 'real' oponents he has in UFC are like 2 or 3 guys...so, after 1 year worth of fights, UFC will need to find fighters outside UFC, like Overeen, Josh barnett.... so whats the point??? the guy automatically get 'top status' when he enters the cage of UFC???
its like people expecting another nog/fedor fight...why in hell would that happen??? for the 4 time??? Minotauro was in his arguably BEST ever when he lost miserably to fedor, how can he now (fighting very so and so) win that guy???
UFC its a brand, like any other... Its like you saying the every athlete payed by Adidas, Puma or Reebok its garbage and 2nd line, because he isnt with Nike. UFC IS the best organization, and the most famous one, but they just dont have the best fighter (and not ALL the best fighters ) in the world, at least in the heavies division. And off course, all of this because Pride is no longer, because if not, the story would be completely different
you are very reasonable in all you say here, i just dont understand your 'hate' (lets call it that way) for Fedor and anything that is not UFC related. At least with Fedor i think you are being sarcastic, but with UFC its almost like you have something to do with them...
its that the case??? ;D
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once again, for what i understand the 'real' oponents he has in UFC are like 2 or 3 guys...so, after 1 year worth of fights, UFC will need to find fighters outside UFC, like Overeen, Josh barnett.... so whats the point??? the guy automatically get 'top status' when he enters the cage of UFC???
its like people expecting another nog/fedor fight...why in hell would that happen??? for the 4 time??? Minotauro was in his arguably BEST ever when he lost miserably to fedor, how can he now (fighting very so and so) win that guy???
UFC its a brand, like any other... Its like you saying the every athlete payed by Adidas, Puma or Reebok its garbage and 2nd line, because he isnt with Nike. UFC IS the best organization, and the most famous one, but they just dont have the best fighter (and not ALL the best fighters ) in the world, at least in the heavies division. And off course, all of this because Pride is no longer, because if not, the story would be completely different
you are very reasonable in all you say here, i just dont understand your 'hate' (lets call it that way) for Fedor and anything that is not UFC related. At least with Fedor i think you are being sarcastic, but with UFC its almost like you have something to do with them...
its that the case??? ;D
I don't hate Fedor. I'm pissed because I don't get to see him fight against real opponents. As for the UFC, I have nothing to do with them. I'm simply for one organization dominating, so that there are uniform rules and undisputed belt holders. Whether it's the UFC or Strikeforce makes no difference to me.
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Really? With the UFC he can hold a real belt, fight real opponents, be made into a Superstar in the US, make more money and have longevity with an organization that will continue to grow and be around for a long time. What does he get with M-1?
In the ufc he would get payed a top salary (as long as he wins and is marketable). With m-1 he gets a top salary plus his fame drags all the other red devil members into the money. Fedor is allready a multi mill why would he give up his honour and all of that for ''the ufc''?
Not even talking about the hw division; mir, couture, that roid cow, nog??
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In the ufc he would get payed a top salary (as long as he wins and is marketable). With m-1 he gets a top salary plus his fame drags all the other red devil members into the money. Fedor is allready a multi mill why would he give up his honour and all of that for ''the ufc''?
Not even talking about the hw division; mir, couture, that roid cow, nog??
Apparently those are "real opponents". LOL.
Mindspin has said that he has a vested interest in the UFC so it's not surprising that he spends his time bad mouthing everything else on here.
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THIS THREAD IS DEAD. MOVE ON.
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Apparently those are "real opponents". LOL.
Mindspin has said that he has a vested interest in the UFC so it's not surprising that he spends his time bad mouthing everything else on here.
I said I have a vested interest in the UFC? Must you rely on outrageous fabrications to prove a point? Please show us where I said that and I will permanently delete my account.
As I've said before, Fedor is a giant pussy who is afraid to fight in the UFC and instead prefers to spend his time sucking Russian mobster's cocks.
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Haha, Brock Lesnar can't even beat the sniffles. Fedor will decimate him worse than the seasonal cold has.
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He has already beaten half of the UFC's heavyweight roster. He has already beaten Noguerra twice. Lesnar is on the shelf for what looks like a very long time. Who in the UFC can be considered better competition than the HW's in Strikeforce??!!?
Carwin is your only decent argument and thats it.
Mir is an overrated pussy-- Couture is very old and slow at this point. Having him fight Fedor would be nothing short of abusive. Who else is there? Check Kongo--- Give me a fuckin break. Even the guys who aren't at the top of the heap in Strikeforces HW division would be considered formidable in the UFC-- guys like Antonio Silva for instance.
Rodgers would easily be a top 5 HW if he stepped into the UFC tomorrow-- as would Overeem who Fedor will probably fight next. With Brock out of the picture, your whole argument holds no water at all.
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He has already beaten half of the UFC's heavyweight roster. He has already beaten Noguerra twice. Lesnar is on the shelf for what looks like a very long time. Who in the UFC can be considered better competition than the HW's in Strikeforce??!!?
Carwin is your only decent argument and thats it.
Mir is an overrated pussy-- Couture is very old and slow at this point. Having him fight Fedor would be nothing short of abusive. Who else is there? Check Kongo--- Give me a fuckin break. Even the guys who aren't at the top of the heap in Strikeforces HW division would be considered formidable in the UFC-- guys like Antonio Silva for instance.
Rodgers would easily be a top 5 HW if he stepped into the UFC tomorrow-- as would Overeem who Fedor will probably fight next. With Brock out of the picture, your whole argument holds no water at all.
You make my point for me. With two federations we have no way of determining an undisputed heavyweight.
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Fedor will fight better competition in Strikeforce.
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Fedor will fight better competition in Strikeforce.
Better to pad his record with cans.
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Better to pad his record with cans.
As opposed to a 46 year old Couture or a Big Nog that peaked in PRIDE and still got wrecked by Fedor?
Overeem or Rogers could step into the UFC today and win the belt it's that bad.
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As opposed to a 46 year old Couture or a Big Nog that peaked in PRIDE and still got wrecked by Fedor?
Overeem or Rogers could step into the UFC today and win the belt it's that bad.
Rogers could, Overeem ain't passing an AC test.
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Rogers could, Overeem ain't passing an AC test.
If Brock Lesnar can pass an AC test, Overeem should have no trouble.
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He beat Arlovski, who was ranked as the number 2 in the UFC when he left and fought Fedor. Get a grip. He defeated both Nogueira and Crocop, who were the stars of the UFC when they signed with the UFC after PRIDE collapsed - they are old and past prime now. He has defeated 5 UFC champs so far - Arlovski, Rendlemen, Coleman, Sylvia and the other guy who's name I forgot - and with the exception of Sylvia they were all top fighters. So he needs to go to the UFC and defeat a former WWF bafoon with a total of 5 fights to prove that he's the best? What a stupid logic.
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Yes, he's defeated a lot of top heavy weights...but that is ancient history. What's he done lately? Arlovski? He was cut by the UFC and was half the fighter he used to be when he fought Fedor. Brett Rogers? ::) Hong Man Choi..ha ha! A middle weight Matt Lindland? A light weight Shinya Aoki?
He took third in his precious Sambo World Championships in 08! He's past his prime and there are better guys out there now, most in the UFC.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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first of all rogers did alot better than i thought he would. i really think he would do ok in the ufc. with that being said the guy is an idiot. he talked crazy during the showtime special then after he got knocked out he talks crazy and gets booed during his post fight interview. i mean he wasn;t even humbeled after his defeat..if big john wouldn;t have stepped in rogers face would have smashed and he would be in the emergency room right now. its time these american fighters act more humble..fedor is a great example of how a fighter should carry himself
relax man he was just heated following a hard loss in the biggest fight of his life
forgive him for not praising fedor right there on the spot ::)
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Yes, he's defeated a lot of top heavy weights...but that is ancient history. What's he done lately? Arlovski? He was cut by the UFC and was half the fighter he used to be when he fought Fedor.
Lie! He was not cut by the UFC! Dana bitch White even flew to Chicago to try to convince him to stay in the UFC. He was ranked as the number 2 guy in the UFC when he fought Fedor.
Brett Rogers?
Brett Rogers is the size of Brock Lesnar with superior striking power and he won all of his previous fights by KO. Just because a rookie fighter with enormous talent is not well known yet doesen't mean that he isn't great. Fedor was also a nobody back in 2002 when he defeated Semi Shultz. Everybody has to start somewhere and fame isn't build in a day. Rogers is already ranked in the top 5 heavyweight list by Sherdog.
Hong Man Choi..ha ha!
I agree with you that he's overhyped, but the man is 7'3 and 360 lbs making Brock Lesnar a bitch next to him, and that kind of sheer size is a problem for any fighter. Choi did pretty well at K-1.
A middle weight Matt Lindland?
So what? George St. Pierre is a middle weight and is regarded by some as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the World. Machida is a light-heavyweight and would defeat 90% of heavyweights out there. Weight doeesen't mean shit.
A light weight Shinya Aoki?
Agreed. I never claimed that each and every single of Fedor's opponents were great. Brock Lesnar has also fought fighters of the shitty caliber of Frank Mir, so there you have it.
He took third in his precious Sambo World Championships in 08!
Not surprising: he trains for MMA and not for sambo tournaments. He dedicates only one third of his training time to the ground game. Imagine if he only trained for sambo.
He's past his prime and there are better guys out there now, most in the UFC.
Lesnar is only 8 months younger than Fedor, so going by your logic he is past his prime also. Randy Couture peaked in his late thirties. You have no way of knowing whether Fedor is past his prime or not. He might just be peaking right now. He is still in his early thirties. As I see it, an argument for him to be starting to get old can be made when he hits 35, but no sooner. He still has at least a good 2-3 years left.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Lol, Fedor has never been beat and has walked all over every UFC fighter he ever faced. How is my bubble burst?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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suckmymuscle, my quote feature isn't working so I'll address a couple of your biggest errors.
Arlovski was cut by the UFC. After loosing to Sylvia (twice), he had a string of boring fights and was no longer a draw.
Brett hasn't done anything to prove himself other than catching a past his prime Arlovski. Again, another can for Fedor.
Weight has nothing to do with fighting??? Really? Why do they have weight classes then?
Age has nothing to do with when someone is in their prime. The best example is Couture. He was a much better fighter in his early 40's than in his 30's. Fedor is past his prime. Even his boxing coach is on record saying that his punching speed has slowed down.
Fedor has never been beat...true. But, that is easy to do when you handpick opponents and fight cans. Again, put him in the UFC and have him win the belt. I'll be the first to give him props.
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How many times has Rogers knocked Lesnar out sparring now? Was it 3 times? Brock Lesnar, the GREATEST fighter the UFC has ever seen, getting knocked out by a "can". Guess that says a lot about the UFC HW division when its best fighter gets KO'd sparring cans.
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suckmymuscle, my quote feature isn't working so I'll address a couple of your biggest errors. Arlovski was cut by the UFC. After loosing to Sylvia (twice), he had a string of boring fights and was no longer a draw.
Prove it. He was actually in a winning streak when he lost to Fedor. Dana White never expelled Arlovski from the UFC. Prove otherwise.
Brett hasn't done anything to prove himself other than catching a past his prime Arlovski. Again, another can for Fedor.
How is a 270 lbs monster who won all of his previous 10 fights by KO a can? I find it amazing that you're not impressed by the fact that Fedor knocked out a man who is 5" taller and 40 lbs heavier than himself. In fact, he's the size of Brock Lesnar. Again, answer me my question: What would have happened if Lesnar were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch? Would he remain standing?
Weight has nothing to do with fighting??? Really? Why do they have weight classes then?
Since weight is so important, so why are you not impressed by the fact that Fedor KTFO a man who for all practical purposes belongs to a higher weight class than himself? He is so good that he defeats guys that carry 50 lbs of muscle more than he does.
Age has nothing to do with when someone is in their prime. The best example is Couture. He was a much better fighter in his early 40's than in his 30's. Fedor is past his prime.
Exactly. Thanks for repeating verbatim what I said. So how do you know if he is past his prime? He still hasn't lost, so you have no argument for stating that he is past his prime given that he still can defeat much larger men than himself.
Even his boxing coach is on record saying that his punching speed has slowed down.
Sources please...?
Fedor has never been beat...true. But, that is easy to do when you handpick opponents and fight cans.
Lesnar won the belt fighting cans: a nobody called Frank Mir who's clame to fame is beating a post-prime Nogueira - and the can beat Lesnar with a foot lock, which is unheard of - and a geriatric Randy Couture way past his prime who is also much smaller than himself. What makes him better than Fedor, who defeated prime Nogueira, Crocop, Randleman, Goodrich, Coleman etcetera ad infinitum?
Again, put him in the UFC and have him win the belt. I'll be the first to give him props.
PRIDE was bigger and better than the UFC and he won the heavyweight belt there three times. Why does he need to prove hmself in a shitty American organization where over 80% of fighters are Americans? Why do you assume that UFC fighters are better than heavyweights that are outside the UFC?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fedor Emelianenko compensates for diminishing speed with his ever-increasing experience, says Alexander Michkov, the Strikeforce and M-1 Global heavyweight's striking coach of nearly 10 years.
In an interview published on the official Russian-language M-1 Global website, Michkov made some interesting remarks on how the aging process has played on Fedor.
"With regard to age, it certainly has an effect," he said, translated. "To some extent, a decrease in high speed performance, but this is offset by experience."
Michkov admitted he is less wary of Fedor's "lightning" fast hand speed when holding pads for him than he would have been several years back, but believes Fedor's movement is still better than anyone in the heavyweight division.
"Now the speed, of course, is a little slower, but -- knock on wood -- continues to be enough for Fedor to win," Michkov said. "There's a reduction in speed, but his combination of attacks have grown. And, in my opinion, to date, he remains the fastest heavyweight."
Michkov has been Fedor's striking coach ever since Fedor began competing MMA. When asked if Fedor would have been successful had he chosen to become a professional boxer, Michkov, who carries a Russian title of "Masters of Sports" in boxing, said Fedor could, but MMA was a better avenue considering that it would have been a sin to disregard Fedor's background in Sambo and Judo.
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You keep talking about how great he was in Pride. Who gives a shit. He was the best THEN. How about now. If he wants to be known as the best now, he should fight the best fighters. It's very simple.
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How many times has Rogers knocked Lesnar out sparring now? Was it 3 times? Brock Lesnar, the GREATEST fighter the UFC has ever seen, getting knocked out by a "can". Guess that says a lot about the UFC HW division when its best fighter gets KO'd sparring cans.
Never happened. The two have never met each other in the ring, sparring or otherwise.
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Fedor Emelianenko compensates for diminishing speed with his ever-increasing experience, says Alexander Michkov, the Strikeforce and M-1 Global heavyweight's striking coach of nearly 10 years.
In an interview published on the official Russian-language M-1 Global website, Michkov made some interesting remarks on how the aging process has played on Fedor.
"With regard to age, it certainly has an effect," he said, translated. "To some extent, a decrease in high speed performance, but this is offset by experience."
Michkov admitted he is less wary of Fedor's "lightning" fast hand speed when holding pads for him than he would have been several years back, but believes Fedor's movement is still better than anyone in the heavyweight division.
"Now the speed, of course, is a little slower, but -- knock on wood -- continues to be enough for Fedor to win," Michkov said. "There's a reduction in speed, but his combination of attacks have grown. And, in my opinion, to date, he remains the fastest heavyweight."
Michkov has been Fedor's striking coach ever since Fedor began competing MMA. When asked if Fedor would have been successful had he chosen to become a professional boxer, Michkov, who carries a Russian title of "Masters of Sports" in boxing, said Fedor could, but MMA was a better avenue considering that it would have been a sin to disregard Fedor's background in Sambo and Judo.
Thanks for proving my point. His punching speed has decreased but his precision and combinations have increased according to his coach. So how does this mean that he is past his prime? The effectiveness of his punches remain the same as that of several years ago due to increased precision and combinations, despite a decrease in speed. It is the effectivness that matters. If his punching speed had declined and he hadn't increased his punching accuracy, then yes, he would be past his prime as a striker, but his decline in one aspect was compensated by his improvement on another aspect, so it doesen't matter.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You keep talking about how great he was in Pride. Who gives a shit. He was the best THEN. How about now. If he wants to be known as the best now, he should fight the best fighters. It's very simple.
He just knocked out one of the top 10 heavyweights in the World, who happens to be 5" taller and 40 lbs heavier than him. Rogers is an inch taller than Lesnar and weights the same, and yet Fedor crushed him. You still haven't answered what would have happened if Lesnar were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch to his jaw. Face the possibility that Fedor can knock Brock Lesnar out. It is a real possibility if the two fight. Rogers is the size of Lesnar and a better striker and yet Fedor KTFO of him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Prove it. He was actually in a winning streak when he lost to Fedor. Dana White never expelled Arlovski from the UFC. Prove otherwise.
How is a 270 lbs monster who won all of his previous 10 fights by KO a can? I find it amazing that you're not impressed by the fact that Fedor knocked out a man who is 5" taller and 40 lbs heavier than himself. In fact, he's the size of Brock Lesnar. Again, answer me my question: What would have happened if Lesnar were standing in Rogers' place and took that punch? Would he remain standing?
Since weight is so important, so why are you not impressed by the fact that Fedor KTFO a man who for all practical purposes belongs to a higher weight class than himself? He is so good that he defeats guys that carry 50 lbs of muscle more than he does.
Exactly. Thanks for repeating verbatim what I said. So how do you know if he is past his prime? He still hasn't lost, so you have no argument for stating that he is past his prime given that he still can defeat much larger men than himself.
Sources please...?
Lesnar won the belt fighting cans: a nobody called Frank Mir who's clame to fame is beating a post-prime Nogueira - and the can beat Lesnar with a foot lock, which is unheard of - and a geriatric Randy Couture way past his prime who is also much smaller than himself. What makes him better than Fedor, who defeated prime Nogueira, Crocop, Randleman, Goodrich, Coleman etcetera ad infinitum?
PRIDE was bigger and better than the UFC and he won the heavyweight belt there three times. Why does he need to prove hmself in a shitty American organization where over 80% of fighters are Americans? Why do you assume that UFC fighters are better than heavyweights that are outside the UFC?
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Dana White flew to chicago to try to re-sign the pitbull..
this actually was a quote from Dana's own words in a previous interview he did i think it was for sher dog.. ..
i actually read it...
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Really? I actually read that Fedor does gay4pay. Not sure it makes it true, but I read it!
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i thought it was only Bodybuilding / IFBB :-X
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;D ;D
i thought it was only Bodybuilding / IFBB :-X
It also applies to some washed up, ex-champs in fight-sports too.
Especially when they no longer are fighting big names/top competition like they used to. ;D