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Look at the terms of this outrageous contract that Fedor & M-1 had with Affliction. M-1 makes 4x what Fedor makes...lol. In total, Affliction had to pay $1.5 million per fight to Fedor and his whack-pack. This doesn't include the broadcast distribution rights in Russia & Asia!
If the UFC did this with its top fighters, they too would be out of business.
Details of Fedor Emelianenko's Affliction Contract and M-1's Consulting Agreement
by Michael Rome on Nov 12, 2009 9:00 PM EST in News
Note: All information in this post was obtained via Affliction's motion to dismiss filed on November 6, 2009. It is all public information and can be obtained through the Pacer system.
David Wolf of MMA Payout broke the story earlier today that Affliction filed its motion to dismiss in response to the M-1 lawsuit I discussed on Bloody Elbow last week. Needless to say, a motion to dismiss is just a standard response in a lawsuit by the defense. I will have more thoughts on the motion to dismiss next week on Bloody Elbow, but my initial thought is that I'm baffled as to why a 12(b)(6) focused so much on the facts instead of the law. A 12(b)(6) motion is a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted, it is not a motion related to factual disputes.
The most interesting part of the filing is Affliction's disclosure to the courts of its agreements with Fedor Emelianenko and M-1 Global. They disclosed the promotional agreement as well as the "consulting agreement." According to the initial M-1 filing there was a third consulting agreement related to the M-1 Challenge TV show, but as far as I can tell that agreement hasn't been disclosed.
Below I'll go through the promotional agreement's essential terms and add my comments in italics where I feel anything additional is warranted.
The Promotional Agreement.
--Fedor is to be paid a $300,000 purse per fight.
--The contract arranges for four first class tickets and three coach tickets from St. Petersburg to wherever the fight is. It also arranges for four first class hotel rooms for up to five nights, round trip transportation on the ground, and meal allowances. This section is more extravagant than equivalent UFC contract provisions for its top stars.
-- The contract calls for three fights under the Affliction banner, and makes Affliction the exclusive home of Fedor fights in the United States. However, the contract states that any fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Randy Couture is excluded from the contract and can take place elsewhere. It's clear that when this contract was signed Fedor and M-1 were still shopping around a potential Couture fight incase he ever got out of his contract. This also further confirms that Affliction never had the rights to this fight.
--The contract states that it ends on the earlier of two dates: March 31, 2009 or after Fedor's last fight, unless the contract is extended. This will be a serious litigation battleground; M-1 will argue that Affliction extended the contract by promoting a third show. I find this argument fairly convincing.
--Affliction agreed to make all efforts to feature a M-1 logo on the mat. Fedor was allowed to choose any sponsor as long as there was no conflict with Affliction.
--Fedor Emelinaenko reserved all rights to distribute and exploit his bouts in Russia and Asia. He had the right to retain all revenue from the sale, license, or any other exploitation of his reserved rights to market the broadcast. There are other specifics regarding Affliction's responsibility to provide Fedor and M-1 with a high definition feed. The rights include streaming rights, and extend beyond Fedor's fights to the undercard and preliminary fights. You can imagine the UFC would never agree to such a term.
There are a number of other important and interesting terms, but those are the essential ones.
The Consulting Agreement
--M-1 was to provide consulting on all the following topics: International bout consulting, international television, fighter scouting, location for future bouts recommendations, television-related opportunities, international sponsorships, and bout tourism.
--M-1 was also required to fully cooperate and assist in the advertising and promotion of each fight.
--In exchange for these consulting services, Affliction agreed to pay M-1 a consulting fee of $1,200,000 per fight.
--Affliction was required to promote the M-1 Global brand through promotional activities including: Articles in event programs, M-1 Global's logo incorporated into Affliction advertising, M-1 logo recognition with event advertising, public address announcements during the bouts, the airing of M-1 videos announcements during events, and the creation and sale of co-branded M-1 and Affliction event posters.
I believe there is still one more consulting agreement out there based on my reading of M-1's lawsuit, but Affliction did not disclose it here. Just counting these two agreements, Fedor Emelianenko received $300,000 per fight while M-1 Global received 1.2 million. Fedor Emelianenko is a 20% owner of M-1 Global.
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What a fucking joke, Fedor is an idiot being played by that fuckface fkinelstein who's just a greedy pos and cares about exploiting Fedor to make as much money as he can for himself. This guy is worse then Don King
1.2 million dollar consultation fee, ROFL for WHAT !?!? m-1 isn't even a fight company, who do they have other then Fedor, some 19 year old schmuck kid ?!
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What a fucking joke, Fedor is an idiot being played by that fuckface fkinelstein who's just a greedy pos and cares about exploiting Fedor to make as much money as he can for himself. This guy is worse then Don King
1.2 million dollar consultation fee, ROFL for WHAT !?!? m-1 isn't even a fight company, who do they have other then Fedor, some 19 year old schmuck kid ?!
As much of a duschebag as he may be, Dana is right. Fedor is being played by a bunch of greedy promoters and we are being cheated out of seeing Fedor fight the best.
Oh well...
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fedor may be owned by the russian mob ;)
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As much of a duschebag as he may be, Dana is right. Fedor is being played by a bunch of greedy promoters and we are being cheated out of seeing Fedor fight the best.
Oh well...
Agree
At least the UFC has titles and rankings. In these other promotions, Fedor is just an attraction whose fights are meaningless.
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1.2 million for consultation??? Every fight?????? :o
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fedor may be owned by the russian mob ;)
8)
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Agree
At least the UFC has titles and rankings. In these other promotions, Fedor is just an attraction whose fights are meaningless.
The UFC's titles and rankings are meaningless outside of the UFC.
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The UFC's titles and rankings are meaningless outside of the UFC.
Every ranking chart includes UFC fighters and they dominate all of the charts I have seen..........so I would say they must mean something. :)
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Every ranking chart includes UFC fighters and they dominate all of the charts I have seen..........so I would say they must mean something. :)
Rankings by sites like Sherdog? They're about as meaningful as ESPN's NFL Power Rankings. Opinionated and nothing more. Something for people to talk about.
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Rankings by sites like Sherdog? They're about as meaningful as ESPN's NFL Power Rankings. Opinionated and nothing more. Something for people to talk about.
Awhile back I went to several MMA ranking sites, don't remember them all.
Where do you go for official rankings?
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What a fucking joke, Fedor is an idiot being played by that fuckface fkinelstein who's just a greedy pos and cares about exploiting Fedor to make as much money as he can for himself. This guy is worse then Don King
1.2 million dollar consultation fee, ROFL for WHAT !?!? m-1 isn't even a fight company, who do they have other then Fedor, some 19 year old schmuck kid ?!
Finkelstein is smart though, M-1 doesn't need anyone else than Fedor to make money, Fedor is their golden nugget.
Fedor isn't complaining i'm sure.
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Awhile back I went to several MMA ranking sites, don't remember them all.
Where do you go for official rankings?
Bump for official rankings.
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Bump for official rankings.
I'm dying to see these "official" rankings...lol.
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Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so he is building an equity stake with the brand. I don't think he will fight in the UFC. Noway, nohow will they co promote with M-1.
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Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so he is building an equity stake with the brand. I don't think he will fight in the UFC. Noway, nohow will they co promote with M-1.
I sure fucking hope not, those greedy assholes don't deserve shit, finkelshit can go fuck himself, they are out of their fucking minds talking about being a global brand, having a multitude of (no name) fighters and wanting to split revenue with the UFC 50/50 Hahahahaha... someone on sherdog put it the best: it's like a little league team having a star athlete and expect the New York Yankees to co promote with them and share revenues 50/50.. ROFL
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I sure fucking hope not, those greedy assholes don't deserve shit, finkelshit can go fuck himself, they are out of their fucking minds talking about being a global brand, having a multitude of (no name) fighters and wanting to split revenue with the UFC 50/50 Hahahahaha... someone on sherdog put it the best: it's like a little league team having a star athlete and expect the New York Yankees to co promote with them and share revenues 50/50.. ROFL
Exactly
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I sure fucking hope not, those greedy assholes don't deserve shit, finkelshit can go fuck himself, they are out of their fucking minds talking about being a global brand, having a multitude of (no name) fighters and wanting to split revenue with the UFC 50/50 Hahahahaha... someone on sherdog put it the best: it's like a little league team having a star athlete and expect the New York Yankees to co promote with them and share revenues 50/50.. ROFL
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to shit on your chest, but when you're right, you're right.
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Look at the terms of this outrageous contract that Fedor & M-1 had with Affliction. M-1 makes 4x what Fedor makes...lol. In total, Affliction had to pay $1.5 million per fight to Fedor and his whack-pack. This doesn't include the broadcast distribution rights in Russia & Asia!
If the UFC did this with its top fighters, they too would be out of business.
Details of Fedor Emelianenko's Affliction Contract and M-1's Consulting Agreement
by Michael Rome on Nov 12, 2009 9:00 PM EST in News
Note: All information in this post was obtained via Affliction's motion to dismiss filed on November 6, 2009. It is all public information and can be obtained through the Pacer system.
David Wolf of MMA Payout broke the story earlier today that Affliction filed its motion to dismiss in response to the M-1 lawsuit I discussed on Bloody Elbow last week. Needless to say, a motion to dismiss is just a standard response in a lawsuit by the defense. I will have more thoughts on the motion to dismiss next week on Bloody Elbow, but my initial thought is that I'm baffled as to why a 12(b)(6) focused so much on the facts instead of the law. A 12(b)(6) motion is a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted, it is not a motion related to factual disputes.
The most interesting part of the filing is Affliction's disclosure to the courts of its agreements with Fedor Emelianenko and M-1 Global. They disclosed the promotional agreement as well as the "consulting agreement." According to the initial M-1 filing there was a third consulting agreement related to the M-1 Challenge TV show, but as far as I can tell that agreement hasn't been disclosed.
Below I'll go through the promotional agreement's essential terms and add my comments in italics where I feel anything additional is warranted.
The Promotional Agreement.
--Fedor is to be paid a $300,000 purse per fight.
--The contract arranges for four first class tickets and three coach tickets from St. Petersburg to wherever the fight is. It also arranges for four first class hotel rooms for up to five nights, round trip transportation on the ground, and meal allowances. This section is more extravagant than equivalent UFC contract provisions for its top stars.
-- The contract calls for three fights under the Affliction banner, and makes Affliction the exclusive home of Fedor fights in the United States. However, the contract states that any fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Randy Couture is excluded from the contract and can take place elsewhere. It's clear that when this contract was signed Fedor and M-1 were still shopping around a potential Couture fight incase he ever got out of his contract. This also further confirms that Affliction never had the rights to this fight.
--The contract states that it ends on the earlier of two dates: March 31, 2009 or after Fedor's last fight, unless the contract is extended. This will be a serious litigation battleground; M-1 will argue that Affliction extended the contract by promoting a third show. I find this argument fairly convincing.
--Affliction agreed to make all efforts to feature a M-1 logo on the mat. Fedor was allowed to choose any sponsor as long as there was no conflict with Affliction.
--Fedor Emelinaenko reserved all rights to distribute and exploit his bouts in Russia and Asia. He had the right to retain all revenue from the sale, license, or any other exploitation of his reserved rights to market the broadcast. There are other specifics regarding Affliction's responsibility to provide Fedor and M-1 with a high definition feed. The rights include streaming rights, and extend beyond Fedor's fights to the undercard and preliminary fights. You can imagine the UFC would never agree to such a term.
There are a number of other important and interesting terms, but those are the essential ones.
The Consulting Agreement
--M-1 was to provide consulting on all the following topics: International bout consulting, international television, fighter scouting, location for future bouts recommendations, television-related opportunities, international sponsorships, and bout tourism.
--M-1 was also required to fully cooperate and assist in the advertising and promotion of each fight.
--In exchange for these consulting services, Affliction agreed to pay M-1 a consulting fee of $1,200,000 per fight.
--Affliction was required to promote the M-1 Global brand through promotional activities including: Articles in event programs, M-1 Global's logo incorporated into Affliction advertising, M-1 logo recognition with event advertising, public address announcements during the bouts, the airing of M-1 videos announcements during events, and the creation and sale of co-branded M-1 and Affliction event posters.
I believe there is still one more consulting agreement out there based on my reading of M-1's lawsuit, but Affliction did not disclose it here. Just counting these two agreements, Fedor Emelianenko received $300,000 per fight while M-1 Global received 1.2 million. Fedor Emelianenko is a 20% owner of M-1 Global.
Interesting. You claimed Fedor would be making more money in the UFC, and yet you post an article showing otherwise. Epically contradicting yourself; epically being a moron.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That's his Affliction contract. Now you know why they're out of business. You think Fedor is making that now? LOL! If Strikeforce is paying anything remotely close to that, they'll be out of business by year end as well.
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That's his Affliction contract. Now you know why they're out of business. You think Fedor is making that now? LOL! If Strikeforce is paying anything remotely close to that, they'll be out of business by year end as well.
So Fedor would be better of being in the UFC than taking the Affliction contract? Well, at least you admit that Fedor was better off fighting for Affliction than for the UFC. As for Strikeforce, Fedor gets a % of PPV revenue as well as ticket sales revenue which he would not get in the UFC. Fedor is doing pretty well financially your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, evident by that he just bought his mom a huge new house. If Dana White ruled over Fedor's life, he would barely be making 100K per fight at the most. Don't be fooled into believing that Dana White was gona give him a % of PPV revenue and 30 mil for a few fights because that's a lie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fedor owns your fucking ass you bitches!!
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So Fedor would be better of being in the UFC than taking the Affliction contract? Well, at least you admit that Fedor was better off fighting for Affliction than for the UFC. As for Strikeforce, Fedor gets a % of PPV revenue as well as ticket sales revenue which he would not get in the UFC. Fedor is doing pretty well financially your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, evident by that he just bought his mom a huge new house. If Dana White ruled over Fedor's life, he would barely be making 100K per fight at the most. Don't be fooled into believing that Dana White was gona give him a % of PPV revenue and 30 mil for a few fights because that's a lie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
During this whole summer debacle over Fedor it has been noted that Dana/Zuffa offered Fedor more then twice what he would be making with Strikeforce (% of ppv plus guaranteed 2 or 3 million a fight) and that idiot [Fedor] still turned them away, because of his jew manager, Finkelstein who's pulling Fedor's strings.
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During this whole summer debacle over Fedor it has been noted that Dana/Zuffa offered Fedor more then twice what he would be making with Strikeforce (% of ppv plus guaranteed 2 or 3 million a fight) and that idiot [Fedor] still turned them away, because of his jew manager, Finkelstein who's pulling Fedor's strings.
And of course you believes what Dana White said. How can you believe anything White says? He's a notorious liar and asshole who will say anything to get what he wants.
But let's assume that you're right, Even then, Fedor would still be making less money, because the UFC won't co-promote with M-1 Global, and Fedor is part owner of M-1 Global. So he won't be getting any increase in the market value of his company and thus of total revenues. Giving him 1% of PPV income is nothing compard to the 10% he would get if the UFC copromoted with M-1.(50% of income would go to M-1, which Fedor owns 20% of, and 20% of 50% is 10%)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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And of course you believes what Dana White said. How can you believe anything White says? He's a notorious liar and asshole who will say anything to get what he wants.
But let's assume that you're right, Even then, Fedor would still be making less money, because the UFC won't co-promote with M-1 Global, and Fedor is part owner of M-1 Global. So he won't be getting any increase in the market value of his company and thus of total revenues. Giving him 1% of PPV income is nothing compard to the 10% he would get if the UFC copromoted with M-1.(50% of income would go to M-1, which Fedor owns 20% of, and 20% of 50% is 10%)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Haha, people who believe what Dana White says crack me up. This guy has been outed as a lying scumbag on so many occasions that it's impossible to know when he's telling the truth. This guy has shown time and time again that he has no problem badmouthing Fedor when he doesn't get his way and will say anything he can to discredit the guy.
I do not believe for one second that he would be making more money in the UFC. He would be Dana White's bitch.
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Fedor is doing pretty well financially your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding
lolol
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Anyone who still believes that Fedor is better off fighting anywhere but the UFC, is simply in denial of the facts.
The facts are that with the UFC Fedor would make as much or more money in the short-term and definitely more money in the long-term. Further, he would have an opportunity to build his name in the US and truly cement himself as the best heavyweight today.
The route he has chosen will keep him in obscurity, will tarnish his legacy and will continue to line the pockets of his handlers.
It's that simple fellas.
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Anyone who still believes that Fedor is better off fighting anywhere but the UFC, is simply in denial of the facts.
The facts are that with the UFC Fedor would make as much or more money in the short-term and definitely more money in the long-term. Further, he would have an opportunity to build his name in the US and truly cement himself as the best heavyweight today.
The route he has chosen will keep him in obscurity, will tarnish his legacy and will continue to line the pockets of his handlers.
It's that simple fellas.
Can't you understand that, if the UFC agreed to copromote with M-1, Fedor would earn 10% of the total PPV and sales ticket revenues? Without copromotion, he will be making at best 5% of PPV and sales ticket revenues or whatever teh fuck bone Dana White throws at him. And 3 mil per fight is ridiculous. Please tell me that you don't believe this ridiculous number. The UFC doesen't make that when you add PPV and ticket sales revenue for a single event, and you think they were going to pay Fedor this per fight? Wake up, dude.
And Fedor has nothing left to prove. not fighting a former WWE clown with a total of 5 fights won't tarnish his reputation. Besides, he doesen't need the U.S market to make money: he is unspeakably popular in Asia, and he has made millions, besides with the fights, by also by doing commercials there. He recently earned a fortune to a 30 second Snickers commercial in Korea. He doesen't need Americans.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Are you really that much of a retard !? If there were an M1/UFC co promotion, Fedor would not get 10% of the total PPV/tickets, you dimwit. First, they would have to establish how to divi up the profits between UFC & M1. Assuming it were 50/50, Fedor would get 5% of the 50% that that M1 gets.
The highest rated UFC event did nearly 8 million PPV buys, which translates to almost $400 million in revenues (not counting ticket sales and endorsement revenues). So, the breakdown would look like this:
M1 - 50% - $200 million
-Fedor - 10% - $20 million
-Finkelchtein - 90% - $180 million
UFC - $200 million
Finkelchtein ends up making 9x more money than Fedor and gets to build his brand name on the back of the UFC.
Fedor gets fucked.
UFC gets fucked.
If Fedor signs with the UFC, it would look like this:
UFC - $380 million
Fedor - $20 million
Finkelchtein - NOTHING!
Now you know why there is no deal.
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I'll be the first to Say i would love to see the Great Fedor in the UFC..
I don't think it will ever happen..
MMA is more than the UFC..
Fedor is well known out side the USA..
He is getting to be better known as Strikeforce continues to Market him..
His next scheduled fight will be live in April from Miami on CBS...
Fedor will continue to do great with out the UFC..
It will continue to aggreviate the UFC guy's that Fedor is not in the UFC..
It will continue to cause DANA to have more Meltdowns because he cant get him which
is evident from his last interview he had on ESPN radio after UFC 108...
In Dana's own words... he wants fedor... the ufc's needs Fedor...
Regardless of what the UFC guy's say: Fedor will retire as one of the best's if not the greatest MMA fighter that ever lived..
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Are you really that much of a retard !? If there were an M1/UFC co promotion, Fedor would not get 10% of the total PPV/tickets, you dimwit. First, they would have to establish how to divi up the profits between UFC & M1. Assuming it were 50/50, Fedor would get 5% of the 50% that that M1 gets.
The highest rated UFC event did nearly 8 million PPV buys, which translates to almost $400 million in revenues (not counting ticket sales and endorsement revenues). So, the breakdown would look like this:
M1 - 50% - $200 million
-Fedor - 10% - $20 million
-Finkelchtein - 90% - $180 million
UFC - $200 million
Finkelchtein ends up making 9x more money than Fedor and gets to build his brand name on the back of the UFC.
Fedor gets fucked.
UFC gets fucked.
If Fedor signs with the UFC, it would look like this:
UFC - $380 million
Fedor - $20 million
Finkelchtein - NOTHING!
Now you know why there is no deal.
Ok, first of all I am reporting you to Ron for insulting me. You are way, way over the line as a moderator. This is not the first time you insult people either. Secondly, don't call me a retard because I am more intelligent than you. Pick any topic of debate and I will crush you.
Moving on, you are sriously crazy if you think the UF makes 400 mil per event. At 6 events a year, that would make the UFC one of the top 500 corporations in the U.S in terms of revenues, which it is not. Besides, even if they did, they wouldn't pay 3 mil for a single fighter for a single fight, and they certainly wouldn't pay Fedor 30 mil for a 4-6 fight deal. And to what fighter does the UFC give a % of PPV and also ticket sales revenues? Never heard of that. Tito left the UFC broke, and he was one of their middleweight stars for several years. Wanderlei Silva mentioned that he didn't make as much in the UFC as he did in PRIDE. UFC fighters hate Dana White and the Fertitas and feel exploited by them. And do you know what a copromotion is, dumby? That means that everything is split 50/50. At 20% of ownevership, that would mean Fedor would ear 10% of total revenues.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ha ha...I'm going to tell my daddy...jesus dude, man up. I crush you in an argument by clearly showing you have no idea what you're talking about, thus exposing you as a retard, and you're comeback is that you're going to tell Ron? LOL...
MELTDOWN!
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The highest rated UFC event did nearly 8 million PPV buys, which translates to almost $400 million in revenues (not counting ticket sales and endorsement revenues).
Various sources I checked on google.com (6 or 7) indicate it was around 8 mil PPV buys for '09 events combined. UFC 100 being the top seller, with 1.5 mil and change. Either way, there's nothing wrong with 8 mil PPV buys a year. I'm surprised it's that high, given the availability of live feeds on the internet. I make a $2.50 "donation" and get a HD stream for each event, and there's a ton out there for free.
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You're right, I meant to say for the year, not just UFC 100. The data is out there for anyone to google. The point is that based on his rationale regarding Fedor's compensation, suckmymuscle could have easily been cast opposite Jim Carey in Dumb & Dumber.
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You're right, I meant to say for the year, not just UFC 100. The data is out there for anyone to google. The point is that based on his rationale regarding Fedor's compensation, suckmymuscle could have easily been cast opposite Jim Carey in Dumb & Dumber.
How so? It's pretty clear that you're blatantly exaggerating statistics on the issue.
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The only thing that is clear, is your bitterness toward anything UFC related. What are you going to do if Fedor ever does step into the octagon? I bet you'll kill yourself...lol!
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ha ha...I'm going to tell my daddy...jesus dude, man up. I crush you in an argument by clearly showing you have no idea what you're talking about, thus exposing you as a retard, and you're comeback is that you're going to tell Ron? LOL...
MELTDOWN!
How have you crushed me, you son of a bitch? you are the moron who said Fedor was going to make 3 million per fight n the UFC, not me. You obviously think the UFC is one of Fortune's 500 largest companies making 400 mill per event and billions of dollars per year in revenue. It isn't. You are a complete fucking dellusional fuckwit for believing that. And I told Ron because you started insulting like a buck, something that is against the board's rules and as a moderator you should set an example.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How have you crushed me, you son of a bitch? you are the moron who said Fedor was going to make 3 million per fight n the UFC, not me. You obviously think the UFC is one of Fortune's 500 largest companies making 400 mill per event and billions of dollars per year in revenue. It isn't. You are a complete fucking dellusional fuckwit for believing that. And I told Ron because you started insulting like a buck, something that is against the board's rules and as a moderator you should set an example.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
BWAHAHAH....thanks for the laugh, I needed it today. That's one of the best meltdowns I've seen in a while "...you son of a bitch..." lol!!!
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BWAHAHAH....thanks for the laugh, I needed it today. That's one of the best meltdowns I've seen in a while "...you son of a bitch..." lol!!!
Tell us more how the UFC makes billions - thousands of millions for you Brits - of dollars per year in revenues, thus rivaling Microsoft, Citibank and other of the World's largest corporations, Einstein. Nice way to own yourself, dumby. ;D As for the insults, you started it, so it is your meltdown and not mine.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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lol...what's a "dumby"