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Townhall.com ^ | November 15, 2009 | Kevin McCullough
Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:47:11 AM by Kaslin
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The Obama administration grossly underestimated the response of the American people in it's decision to try war-field combatants as common thieves in criminal courts handed down this week by Attorney General Holder. The American people were also not impressed that President Obama ducked responsibility in calling it a "prosecutorial" decision. The American people see the waste that these trials will be, and the harm they could generate by allowing them to proceed. Yet if all these things are true of Americans at large, the residents of NYC realize them in greater magnification.
Realizing that any criminal proceedings to move forward would take place on the same 13 by 2 mile island where the single biggest act of war against our nation was ever committed, New Yorkers feel strongly that such enemy combatants, taken directly off the battlefields, should never be afforded Miranda and other rights associated with being citizens of the United States.
President Obama and Attorney General Holder have also grossly mistaken the ferocity with which this case will bubble up and that the inevitable media circus that will ensue will doom the welfare of America in multiple ways.
These trial proceedings will reopen the still mending emotional, psychological, and physical wounds of 9/11. In deciding with such reckless abandon to make a political pay-off to the far left, and the radical Islamic sympathizers they ignorantly embolden, President Obama is ripping the stitches out of the hearts of those that have wondered if closure will ever come. When the Attorney General promises court room cameras and complete transparency of the proceedings, he seems to ignore the possibility of radicals on camera shouting inaudible commands, jibes, and insults at those in the room as well as those sitting in caves across the globe.
The proceedings will create a bulls-eye again specifically on the most attractive target in America, and be used as an on-going tool of recruitment. Without question, terrorists may have been upset over the treatment of their colleagues at Gitmo, but striking back at the base was a logistical impossibility. Not so with a city of endless train and subway tubes, elevator shafts, a metro area with a nuclear reactor only miles away, and an island that could be isolated and brought to a halt given the right combination of carnage and chaos.
The proceedings are an unnecessary move on the part of the administration to try these particular four terrorists at all. They have all confessed, and even bragged, on the record, of their exploits and parts played in the single worst moment in America's history. With on-the-record confessions, the seeking of the death penalty was insured through military tribunal. What New Yorkers are now left with after the administration's move are mere words that Holder will "seek" the death penalty. And President Obama added his "assurance" that they would receive "the most exacting form of justice" possible. Yet if that was a foregone conclusion, why must he give assurances?
The proceedings are a not-so-veiled attempt to continue to throw negative attention on to the previous administration. In a move that gives birth to crass classlessness, the real endgame of this matter is to reveal military and intelligence secrets for the public and our enemies to judge for themselves as to their legitimate use. The goal of Attorney General Holder in essence becomes the beginning of the re-election campaign for President Barack Obama, and to create a way for George Bush to still be part of the discussion when the trial finally becomes a reality two to three years from now.
The proceedings are also a move that spends enormous amounts of money in an era where we have none extra to spend. The process for each of these four terrorists now begins all over again. Discovery, testimony, evidence that has all been worked and diligently put in place for dealing with enemy combatants taken in acts of war from the battlefield must now be sifted through a different standard. Depending on the political leanings of the judge assigned the case, it is even likely that many gaps will be left in the evidence path, and thus a jury will be instructed not to consider certain sections of otherwise admissible evidence.
I am hesitant to believe that even the Obama administration with all of it's harshest left leanings would genuinely and truly want the mastermind and associates of 9/11 to ever walk free. But that possibility exists.
When O.J. Simpson was found innocent, they had his blood, mixed with Nicole Brown Simpson's on the scene, and in trails from one room to the next. And yet he walked. Should a similar outcome occur in this case, it would not shock me if we as tax-payers would be responsible for the cost of transporting them to their jihadist homelands where they go right back to work attempting to strike America again.
The average New Yorker understands all of this, as does easily the average American.
They also clearly see that President Obama and his minions like Holder are willing to play games with national security in order to make a pandering play to the minimalist base that still supports them strongly.
This travesty will not sit well in New York elections in 2010 and 2012 and unless President Obama decides to make a move that concedes these basic concerns as legitimate by those who lost the most in our nation's worst nightmare, he best consider the consequences.
New York City may be a town of liberals, but even we New Yorkers, in large numbers, on the issue of national security are willing to set aside many other concerns to insure the safety of our nation and our children. And along those lines Congressman Peter King pledges to fight with all his might for the next 45 days to overturn this amazing mistake by what can now easily be seen as the most arrogant administration ever.
One last parting note needs to be tucked in the back of the minds of the Obama administration, even if it doesn't give them much comfort.
I wonder what a Democratic Presidential Primary candidate in 2012 by the name of Hillary Clinton will have to say to her fellow New Yorkers about such a wrong-headed and utterly foolish gesture.
Stay the course Mr. President, and we might just get an answer to that question.
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This is probably one of the worst things this scumbag had done yet. He will face a primary if this shit keeps going the way it is.
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This trial's an error
By MICHAEL GOODWIN
Last Updated: 5:37 AM, November 15, 2009
Posted: 3:45 AM, November 15, 2009
Take the iconic "I Love New York" poster and plunge a dagger into its heart. That's what the Obama administration is doing by bringing the mastermind of 9/11 and other terror freaks here for trial.
We don't deserve this. Why are we being punished again?
Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to ship Khalid Sheik Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay prisoners to Manhattan for federal trials is beyond bad judgment.
It is a radical call that puts his leftist legal theories over public safety and common sense. The war on terror is being relabeled as a crime problem, in the very shadow of Ground Zero.
Mohammed and his murderous crew don't belong in civilian courts, where they will get defendant rights designed for ordinary criminal suspects. They declared war on our nation, were captured on foreign battlefields and deserve no presumption of innocence or other constitutional protections.
They'll use our liberties to turn the trial into propaganda for their warped cause. Their images and words will fly around the world as fodder for a new generation of jihadists. The federal courthouse and detention center will become a fortress. The judge, prosecutors, witnesses, federal agents and jury will need protection, some for years. It's madness.
New York already took a big hit for the team. The 9/11 attacks were aimed at America, and it is sacrilege to the dead and the living to bring these defendants back and invite another attack.
Here's an idea: Put the trial in Chicago.
The timing reveals Holder's tin ear, with some of the 13 soldiers massacred by a comrade-turned-terrorist at Fort Hood not yet buried. It's hard to escape the thought he chose the day because Obama was in Asia and could duck blame.
Mayor Bloomberg's instant support is also suspect. Given his cozy relationship with Obama, it's likely Bloomberg's nod was obtained in advance and Holder held the announcement until after last week's election. That way Bloomberg wouldn't have to face voters while backing this outlandish attack on his city.
And where is our congressional team, especially Senators Chuck Schumer and his amanuensis, Kirsten Gillibrand? Oh, I forgot, out fighting for banking rules that will hamstring Wall Street and for a health-care plan that will wreck city and state budgets, hospitals and insurance companies.
Whose team are they on, Obama's or New York's?
We already know about Holder's fishy sense of justice. He OK'd the pardon of fugitive Marc Rich, is now investigating CIA agents who played hardball with terrorists, and wants to give those bloodthirsty maniacs rights they don't deserve.
The worst-case outcome is frightening. The beasts who helped kill nearly 3,000 Americans could walk free, while the brave agents who protected the country get locked up.
And contrary to press reports, Holder didn't commit to seeking the death penalty, saying only he expects to. He also didn't say what the charges would be.
Do you trust him? Neither do I.
There are two better alternatives. Either try the detainees in military courts on secure bases or, best of all, give them death now. Mohammed and some others already acknowledged guilt and said they were ready to die.
I say we take yes for an answer.
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If the GOP gets the right candidate - even NY will be in play.
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SGH
11/15/2009 8:33 AM
I hate this photo of this nasty, hair-backed, troll.
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prsman12059
11/15/2009 8:28 AM
execute them all before they even set foot in NYC. What a tremendous waste of tax payer dollars. Execute them the way they executed all those poor innocent people on 9-11
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tinakay1121
11/15/2009 8:26 AM
This is a Military Tribunal....We now have to provide these scumbags who killed us,our laws,our
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DocHowie
11/15/2009 8:21 AM
An army of security will disrupt those who live and work in NYC for a significant amount of time. The scum lawyers will argue that any evidence against them be quashed as it was gathered illegally, a change of venue due to pre-trial publicity, changes of lawyers, and other arguments will last for months prior to the actual trial. The only ones who make out here are the scum lawyers who will receive millions of taxpayer dollars to defend these maggots.
Next time you capture one of these maggots, a double tap to the head will be appreciated!!
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junglejim123
11/15/2009 8:19 AM
So who is going to pay for all this security ? Will no-Bama dump it on New York ? Maybe if these terrorists get free the American people will wake up and realize how deluded and dangerous Obama really is. Right now too many are still chanting for him. In almost any other country these guys would have been hanged by now but Obama wants to give them civil rights. Whats next - a trip to Disney World too ???
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Client 9
11/15/2009 8:14 AM
Hey NYC, why do you always vote for Democrats that want to help al Qaida kill more of you? How stupid is that?
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frakk001
11/15/2009 8:08 AM
I have no doubt the NYPD can provide security for these bozos, but why should NY have to pay for Obama's spectacle? It's all b/c Obama HATES the military and all it stands for. This should be a military trial, where they can summarily execute this vermin, hopefully live on pay per view.
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can't take it anymore
11/15/2009 7:42 AM
Complete joke!!!!
That is what this is.
The next thing you are going to hear is that they were found innocent of all charges.
Then the cherry on top is KSM is going to live hear in NY & request the USA to give him $2 million dollars to open a store
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These reporter are turning the DRAMA VOLUME up to 10,000 and I wish they would stop. There is nothing going to happen over this trial. If the so called extremest (if any even live in america) were going to terrorize New York or any other city they would have done it many many times already long before this case.
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These reporter are turning the DRAMA VOLUME up to 10,000 and I wish they would stop. There is nothing going to happen over this trial. If the so called extremest (if any even live in america) were going to terrorize New York or any other city they would have done it many many times already long before this case.
i used to be able to see the WTC from my hood. This is serious Samson and most people are not going to accept this shit much longer.
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i used to be able to see the WTC from my hood. This is serious Samson and most people are not going to accept this shit much longer.
If americans have accepted Bernie Madoff crimes, accepted the orchestrated Wall Street collapse, accepted the BAILOUT, accepted the multi million dollar bonuses of EACH exec, accepted job loses/outsourcing, accepted the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, accepted the more blatant NWO policies, accepted the forclosures, accepted the tent cities, accepted... then what is going to make them change their complacency? Americans are too distracted by nonsense, too unconscious of what is happening to them and around them, too busy still holding onto things that divide them then to look at the greater reasons to come together. I am sure if anything only a few protesters may show up and then it will fizzle out.
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If americans have accepted Bernie Madoff crimes, accepted the orchestrated Wall Street collapse, accepted the BAILOUT, accepted the multi million dollar bonuses of EACH exec, accepted job loses/outsourcing, accepted the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, accepted the more blatant NWO policies, accepted the forclosures, accepted the tent cities, accepted... then what is going to make them change their complacency? Americans are too distracted by nonsense, too unconscious of what is happening to them and around them, too busy still holding onto things that divide them then to look at the greater reasons to come together. I am sure if anything only a few protesters may show up and then it will fizzle out.
QFT
USAers won't do shite until their television/Internet goes out and the gas pumps are empty. Then, the streets will run red with blood. Maybe. :)
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If americans have accepted Bernie Madoff crimes, accepted the orchestrated Wall Street collapse, accepted the BAILOUT, accepted the multi million dollar bonuses of EACH exec, accepted job loses/outsourcing, accepted the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, accepted the more blatant NWO policies, accepted the forclosures, accepted the tent cities, accepted... then what is going to make them change their complacency? Americans are too distracted by nonsense, too unconscious of what is happening to them and around them, too busy still holding onto things that divide them then to look at the greater reasons to come together. I am sure if anything only a few protesters may show up and then it will fizzle out.
On some level you are right. I cant disagree. However, there will be a point where enough is enough. For those of us who have somewhat of a clue as to what has been occuring, we have already had enough, however, for the masses of brain dead citizens, its going to take a lot more.
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On some level you are right. I cant disagree. However, there will be a point where enough is enough. For those of us who have somewhat of a clue as to what has been occuring, we have already had enough, however, for the masses of brain dead citizens, its going to take a lot more.
Brain dead citizens are useless. They don't have what it takes to choose a side and stick to it. They will go wherever the comfort, pleasure, and food is. It's up to the hardcore if anything ever happens. Which I doubt ever will.
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If americans have accepted Bernie Madoff crimes, accepted the orchestrated Wall Street collapse, accepted the BAILOUT, accepted the multi million dollar bonuses of EACH exec, accepted job loses/outsourcing, accepted the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, accepted the more blatant NWO policies, accepted the forclosures, accepted the tent cities, accepted... then what is going to make them change their complacency? Americans are too distracted by nonsense, too unconscious of what is happening to them and around them, too busy still holding onto things that divide them then to look at the greater reasons to come together. I am sure if anything only a few protesters may show up and then it will fizzle out.
Yep.
Bloomberg loves the idea of a NYC trial also.
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Yep.
Bloomberg loves the idea of a NYC trial also.
240 - Bloomberg owes Obama this BIG TIME!
If the banksters were not allowed to have the bonuses, NYC's budget, and the state as well, would go off the cliff.
30 Billion in bonuses equals about 3 billion in revenue.
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KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to make announcement today
CBS News ^ | April 4, 2011 | Susan Condon
Attorney General Eric Holder today will announce that self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad will be tried in a military commission, CBS News has learned. A source says the commission will be held at the Guantanamo Bay prison. Trying Mohammed in a civilian court and closing the Guantanamo prison were once some of the Obama administration's top priorities, but political realities have hamstrung both goals.
Holder previously recommended that Mohammed and four other alleged Sept. 11 plotters be tried in New York City...
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