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Title: Painful Botches:
Post by: Montague on November 22, 2009, 02:20:39 PM
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Post by: leonp1981 on November 22, 2009, 05:34:32 PM
Sid breaking his leg always makes me cringe.  It's also ridiculous how many times Brock screwed up in the ring, if he hadn't left it was only a matter of time before he killed someone.

In defence of HHH, the guy taking the Pedigree jumped too hard which took him vertical.
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Post by: Montague on November 22, 2009, 06:03:57 PM
Cervical damage seems to be the most common theme among wrestling injuries.

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Post by: Montague on November 22, 2009, 06:16:02 PM
I didn’t include these before since they’re not quite as dramatic as the above clips.
In fact, unless you knew the story behind the matches, you may not have realized anything happened.





Ain’t karma a bitch.
Same scenario – reversal of a tombstone piledriver with Austin on the receiving end of the finish.



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Post by: leonp1981 on November 22, 2009, 06:35:33 PM
Cervical damage seems to be the most common theme among wrestling injuries.



Not broken feet?!   ;)   ;D
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Post by: Playboy on November 26, 2009, 08:18:34 AM
Anyone have the clip where D-low Brown slipped on something a fan through in the ring while trying to do a running powerbomb on Droz? He paralyzed him with that move.
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Post by: Hulkster on November 29, 2009, 07:29:10 AM
I remember seeing a match with Brock vs Bob Holly where Brock superplexed Holly almost across the ring and it apparently put Holly out for a while with a back injury.

but I can't find a clip of that superplex anywhere..
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Post by: Montague on December 08, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
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Post by: Montague on December 17, 2009, 07:06:33 PM
This is a clip from the Hansen/Vader match in which Vader knocked his eye out of its socket:

http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/vaders_eye.html (http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/vaders_eye.html)

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Post by: G.O.A.T. on December 29, 2009, 08:43:32 PM
I always think about when Taker through Foley from the top of Hell In a Cell through that table and then again through the top of the cage. I know it wasn't a blooper but damn he took some damage. And Foley kept going.
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Post by: Playboy on December 30, 2009, 04:40:40 AM
I always think about when Taker through Foley from the top of Hell In a Cell through that table and then again through the top of the cage. I know it wasn't a blooper but damn he took some damage. And Foley kept going.
Actually, that first fall Foley took off the cell was a planned fall. The second one was a botch because the cage gave way. That's the fall that hurt him but he continued to wrestle even though the ref and Terry Funk came to the ring to buy him time. Its funny because when both wrestlers were up on top of the cell, you can see as they were walking one part of the cage starts to give way almost causing both wrestlers to fall through, but they kept walking.
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Post by: leonp1981 on December 30, 2009, 07:08:30 AM
Actually, that first fall Foley took off the cell was a planned fall. The second one was a botch because the cage gave way. That's the fall that hurt him but he continued to wrestle even though the ref and Terry Funk came to the ring to buy him time. Its funny because when both wrestlers were up on top of the cell, you can see as they were walking one part of the cage starts to give way almost causing both wrestlers to fall through, but they kept walking.

I remember watching an interview with Foley and he said that he dislocated his shoulder and put his teeth through his lip in that fall.  Can't believe the amount of pain he must have been in to finish the match.
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Post by: Playboy on December 30, 2009, 08:02:46 AM
I remember watching an interview with Foley and he said that he dislocated his shoulder and put his teeth through his lip in that fall.  Can't believe the amount of pain he must have been in to finish the match.
I hear ya. When I see that match to this day I cringe at both those falls. Then to top it off after taking to big falls, a tooth through the nose and a dislocated shoulder, he proceeds to not only continue but he get thumb tacks from under the ring and takes a fall on them.
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Post by: Montague on January 06, 2010, 09:49:23 AM
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Post by: Playboy on January 06, 2010, 09:50:56 AM

And he almost took his head off with that very poorly untimed superkick.
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Post by: Montague on January 15, 2010, 07:28:40 AM
I can't imagine them planning it to go this way, although I'm not sure quite how it was supposed to have gone.

But the way it was executed leaves little to the imagination regarding any other outcome:





The only thing this looks like for certain is a bad idea.
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Post by: Montague on January 15, 2010, 10:40:33 AM
The kick was a potato that apparently caused Bret a concussion.

It was/is uncertain whether Bret had sustained any (smaller) concussions prior to the incident, but this is the one that caused all of his problems, and ultimately, forced him into retirement.

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Post by: Hulkster on January 24, 2010, 10:50:14 AM
I can't imagine them planning it to go this way, although I'm not sure quite how it was supposed to have gone.

But the way it was executed leaves little to the imagination regarding any other outcome:





The only thing this looks like for certain is a bad idea.

thats insane.
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Post by: Playboy on September 15, 2010, 10:58:37 AM

Thank goodness Undertaker didn't break his neck here. That was shocking when this happened!
When I saw that as the event was taking place, I thought for sure he got hurt but Taker is a tough SOB.
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Post by: Playboy on September 17, 2010, 01:02:48 PM
If you watch the slow mo you see he tucked his neck at the last second. Undertaker is huge. That suicide dive of his is a huge move. We are so lucky he takes bumps for a living and didn't break his neck there. That to me is up there for most shocking moments. When that happened everyone in the room jumped out of their chairs! Undertaker Mr. WM 20-O! Watch he retires Cena as well.
I guarantee you he is a big user of pain killers and somas.
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Post by: chaos on September 17, 2010, 05:16:11 PM
I guarantee you he is a big user of pain killers and somas.
I guarantee you he never gets busted for it. ;)
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Post by: Montague on November 18, 2010, 03:46:05 PM
And before anyone else posts it...
Yes, the name of the move is very ironical.


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Post by: Playboy on November 19, 2010, 05:39:26 AM
And before anyone else posts it...
Yes, the name of the move is very ironical.



That was f*****d. Very painfull as you can see it in his face litterally. Then they wonder why these guys need Vicodin and Soma.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 05:44:37 AM
the thing I never understood about those type of moves is....why?  Majority of fans don't understand the high risk of it and even if you land it, its often just "another move" in the match......older generation could generate more heat from nothing more than well done suplex, yet this generation comes along and it has to be high spot after high spot......glad I was around for decent wrestling.
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Post by: Montague on November 19, 2010, 06:03:24 AM
the thing I never understood about those type of moves is....why?  Majority of fans don't understand the high risk of it and even if you land it, its often just "another move" in the match......older generation could generate more heat from nothing more than well done suplex, yet this generation comes along and it has to be high spot after high spot......glad I was around for decent wrestling.


I agree.
But, don't forget that audiences have changed as well.

The more people see, the more desensitized they become, and that places greater demands on what the performance must deliver.
The industry certainly fed the monster by giving the fans more, but at the same time, people would've grown tired of the old spots regardless.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 06:14:06 AM

I agree.
But, don't forget that audiences have changed as well.

The more people see, the more desensitized they become, and that places greater demands on what the performance must deliver.
The industry certainly fed the monster by giving the fans more, but at the same time, people would've grown tired of the old spots regardless.

I've always stuggled with that.  I can remember seeing the Warriors, for example, doing stuff that just seemed so devastating at the time and I was so impressed.  Honestly though, if its done right basics could have been getting over for a much longer time..... example Steamboat vs Savage at WM still holds up and there weren't anybody jumping off the roof on each other......same of a lot of HBK's work, etc...  I think the key kissing ingredient is the ring psychology.  You can build up and build up and make a choke slam seem devastating.....or you can just throw it in the mix and have it be forgotten....
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Post by: Playboy on November 19, 2010, 07:15:43 AM
the thing I never understood about those type of moves is....why?  Majority of fans don't understand the high risk of it and even if you land it, its often just "another move" in the match......older generation could generate more heat from nothing more than well done suplex, yet this generation comes along and it has to be high spot after high spot......glad I was around for decent wrestling.
They do it to get over and more to get noticed. You notice the top dogs NEVER do those crazy stunts and dives? Its always the smaller guys in the "bush leagues" or indies trying to do that stuff. By the time they make it to the big time or if already in the WWE they want a top spot, by then they are half crippled. Mick Foley was a perfect example of this. Forced to retire at 34 yrs of age.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 08:21:13 AM
They do it to get over and more to get noticed. You notice the top dogs NEVER do those crazy stunts and dives? Its always the smaller guys in the "bush leagues" or indies trying to do that stuff. By the time they make it to the big time or if already in the WWE they want a top spot, by then they are half crippled. Mick Foley was a perfect example of this. Forced to retire at 34 yrs of age.

Yep....did you read Foleys book?  He went on and on about the reason he didn't like Flair is because Ric basically told him that.  Something like being a stuntman who would be out of wrestling before 35.......  I bet Mick looks back on that conversation in a different light now.
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Post by: Playboy on November 19, 2010, 08:45:32 AM
Yep....did you read Foleys book?  He went on and on about the reason he didn't like Flair is because Ric basically told him that.  Something like being a stuntman who would be out of wrestling before 35.......  I bet Mick looks back on that conversation in a different light now.
I hate to say it but Flair was right. Foley has no wrestling ability whatsoever. He did crazy shit in the independants, he jumped off the roof of his parents house and he did crazy shit in Japan. That is how he got noticed and hired by WCW & WWE. He IS a glorified stunt man.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on November 19, 2010, 09:21:22 AM
I hate to say it but Flair was right. Foley has no wrestling ability whatsoever. He did crazy shit in the independants, he jumped off the roof of his parents house and he did crazy shit in Japan. That is how he got noticed and hired by WCW & WWE. He IS a glorified stunt man.

Yep.....and what was bad is here is Flair, one of the greatest of all-time and been doing it for years, trying to give advice to Foley on how to extend his career and Foley took it as a slap in the face....some garbage about how he never didn't give the fans their moneys worth.....uh, like Flair ever did in a match ? 

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Post by: Playboy on November 19, 2010, 01:51:24 PM
Yep.....and what was bad is here is Flair, one of the greatest of all-time and been doing it for years, trying to give advice to Foley on how to extend his career and Foley took it as a slap in the face....some garbage about how he never didn't give the fans their moneys worth.....uh, like Flair ever did in a match ? 


The truth is the truth. Take all the big falls and chairshots away from Foley and what does he have? A stupid sock and a very sad mandable claw which was performed correctly by Kerry Von Eric and The Baron back in the day.
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Post by: Montague on November 19, 2010, 04:06:29 PM
I've always stuggled with that.  I can remember seeing the Warriors, for example, doing stuff that just seemed so devastating at the time and I was so impressed.  Honestly though, if its done right basics could have been getting over for a much longer time..... example Steamboat vs Savage at WM still holds up and there weren't anybody jumping off the roof on each other......same of a lot of HBK's work, etc...  I think the key kissing ingredient is the ring psychology.  You can build up and build up and make a choke slam seem devastating.....or you can just throw it in the mix and have it be forgotten....


Yep, it's called working; telling a story.
Guys do the crazy stuff now because they have to - it's the only way they can get noticed as Playboy pointed out above.
And, of course, the problem now is that everybody is doing the super-crazy shit, so even that doesn't mean anything anymore.

One of the last good Mania matches I saw in which the performers knew how to build & tell a story during their match was Y2J vs. HBK.
IIRC, not one person landed in thumbtacks or crashed through a burning table.
It was refreshing to not just me, but to everyone in the arena (figuratively speaking).
Everybody enjoyed it!

What's that tell you?
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Post by: mass 04 on November 19, 2010, 05:26:54 PM
the thing I never understood about those type of moves is....why?  Majority of fans don't understand the high risk of it and even if you land it, its often just "another move" in the match......older generation could generate more heat from nothing more than well done suplex, yet this generation comes along and it has to be high spot after high spot......glad I was around for decent wrestling.
I remember a quote from Cornette, something like.. 25 years ago people thought we were killing each other and it was soft. Today, guys really are killing themselves and no one is buying it. For all the love the "Attitude" era gets, I think it did just as much harm as it did good.
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Post by: mass 04 on November 19, 2010, 05:32:00 PM
Not a botch but I cringe everytime I see it, especially when you think how bad his back was.

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Post by: ckanyon99 on February 01, 2011, 08:33:46 PM
I don't know about a Painful Botches but painful to watch
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Post by: Playboy on February 02, 2011, 04:37:43 AM
Not a botch but I cringe everytime I see it, especially when you think how bad his back was.


And he STILL went out and performed. If you watch that entire match, you can see in Michael's face how much pain his back was in every time he bent over. I wonder how many somas and pain killers he took before he went out there?
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Post by: Montague on February 02, 2011, 05:07:41 AM
And he STILL went out and performed. If you watch that entire match, you can see in Michael's face how much pain his back was in every time he bent over. I wonder how many somas and pain killers he took before he went out there?


LOL!!!
I wonder what and how much he self-medicated after the match, as well.
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Post by: MCWAY on February 02, 2011, 06:01:30 AM
Here's one for you: Candice Michelle, landing on her head, during a best-of-3-falls match Women's title match against Beth Phoenix.

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Post by: Playboy on February 02, 2011, 07:02:16 AM

LOL!!!
I wonder what and how much he self-medicated after the match, as well.
Apparently he got worse and thats when his pill popping habit really got bad. Hense the scrap with HHH back in 2001 when he cam back as Raw GM temporarily. If you get a chance, google the Kevin Nash shoot interviews on youtube. He basically tells some road stories and really gets into how when they were The Click, Hall & Michaels would wash down somas with booze and get stoned after every show.