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fellas,,gh15 consistantly for several years now get the reptetive unesessary questions about doses,,gh15 answered those questions million times ,,i will do it another time here in capital to clarify any misconception and any sex related issue you have that goes along with doses and its direct relashion,,
WHEN I SAY BODYBUILDER TAKE 2 GRAMS 3 GREAMS 4 GREAMS AND EVEN 5 = GRAMS I MEAN JUST THAT ,, ITS ALWAYS THE RATIO OF PRODUCTS YOU TAKE ALWAYS RATIO OF TEST TO THE OTHER HORMONES,,THIS RATIO SHOUDL ALWAYS BE AT 2:1 PREFRETABLY 2.5:1
NOW ,,THE MORE ADVANCED BODYBUILDER YOU ARE THE MORE HORMONES YOU TAKE THE MORE DIFF HORMONES YOU TAKE AND THE HIGHER DOSES YOU TAKE ,,,IF YOU HAVE LEGIT HORMONES AND YOURE A BODYBUILDER FEMILIAR WITH HORMONES...AS IN COMPETETIVE OR GYM RAT THAT DOESNT WANT TO COMPETE BUT PUT HIS YEARS IN ...THE MAIN CONCEPT IS TO ALWAYS TAKE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA TO COMPANSATE FOR THE OTHER SHIT YOU TAKE,,,
FOR FUCKIN EXAMPLE; LETS SAY YOU INJECT 400 MG A WEEK MASTERON ,,800 MG A WEEK EQUIPOISE ,,400 NG A WEEK TRENBOLONE ACE,,THIS IS TOTAL OF 1600MG NOW THATS WHAT GH15 MEANS BY THE FACT THAT THEN....THE BODYBUILDER SHOULD GET IN HIS SYSTEM 2.5 GRAM TESTOSTERONE A WEEK INORDER TO HAVE SEX DRIVE AND FULLNESS AND THE RIGHT BALANCE GOING SO HE CAN GROW RIGHT AND CAN STILL FUCK HIS WOMAN RIGHT! SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO NOT GET IT YET,,
YES WE DO 3-4 GRAMS GEAR,,ITS ALL A RATIO MY FRIENDS,,WE DO A LOT MORE THAN 3-4 GRRAMS IN SOME CASES,,
IF YOU THINK THAT YOU WILL INJECT 250 MG TEST INJECT IN YOU WHEN YOU PUT IN YOUR ASS RIGHT WITH IT 1.5 GRAM OF THE OTHER ANABOLICS I MENTIONED AND YOU THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR COCK WORK ,,YOU ARE SEVERELY WRONG ,,YOU WILL GROW DRY AND GROW DEPRESSED! YOU WILL NOT GROW TO FULL POTENTIONAL YOU WILL LACK FULNESS THIS THING DONT WORK THIS WAY MY FRIENDS,, THOSE ANABOLICS MENTIONED SHUT YOU DOWN IF NOT TAKING ENOUGH TEST IN RATIO GH15 MENTIONED
ALWAYS REMEMBER FRIENDS,,THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TESTOSTERONE IN HIGH ENOUGH RATIO DOSE IN THE BLOOD INORDER TO REMAIN AT FULL PERFORMANCE,,IF YOU THINK YOU CAN SKIP BY YOU ARE SEVETELY MISTAKEN,,
TRUE THE ONES WHO USE TESTOSTERONE ONLY AND SOME DIANABOL CAN SKIP BY WITH 750 MG A WEEK TO 1 GRAM WEEK TOTAL USE BUT NONE OF THE ADVANCE BODYBUILDER USE ONLY TEST ,,WE USE MUCH AND MANY MORE PRODUCTS AND THUS THE MAIN REASON FOR HIGH DOSE TEST,,
ESTROGEN IS INTEGRAL PART OF SEX ,,,,NO ESTROGEN = NO HARD COCK ,,OR HARD AND SOFT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN HARNDESS,,NO CIALIS WONT WORK NO VIAGRA WONT WORK,,,ITS TEST IN HIGH ENOUGH DOSES THAT THOSE FELLAS LACK,,
THIS POST IS GH15 APPROVED AND SEALED
DONT BOTHER ME WITH THIS NONSENSE SHIT ANYMORE,,YOU HAVE IT HERE LAYED OUT
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i just did a brutal cycle of hydroxycut. should i do PCT?
bench
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how much test would you take if you were on 600 of eq and 50mg of dbal?
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a little less than 1 gram or little more depending how legit is the dianabol,, you want yoru estrogen ratio to stay within good sexual performance limits,,proviron wont solve this problem if you dont have enough test in your system especially if your on big cycles like most of us bodybuilders,,the problem with bodybuilders is not hardness related to blood flow it is hardness related to having shut down by low estrogen or too high estrogen ,,,always keep testosterona 2 to 1 ratio or about that ,,especially for the anabolics who shut you dry like the ones mentioned by gh15
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what if any anti-astrogen would you recomend and how much of it?
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500mg test e and 400mg eq a week for 5 weeks and my dick is hard as steel. Tren's good for about 1-2 weeks then it shuts me down hard. Takes at least a month to month and a half to be back to normal. I don't fuck with it anymore. I love masterone when I have the money. I don't run any anti-e's cause the only shit that gives me problems is d-bol and tren and I use neither now because of major sides. anadrol, enanthate, eq and masterone is all I fuck with nowadays.
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i generally do test + one anabolic at a 1-1 ratio... rotating the anabolic from tren to equipoise to deca to primo to tren to eq to deca to primo...ect ect...keeping doseage equal, utilizing long esters only....
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i generally do test + one anabolic at a 1-1 ratio... rotating the anabolic from tren to equipoise to deca to primo to tren to eq to deca to primo...ect ect...keeping doseage equal, utilizing long esters only....
Never tried primo heard it wasn't cost effective what's your take?
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Never tried primo heard it wasn't cost effective what's your take?
most gym dealers will have primo for like 100 per vial at 100mg/ml... thats why it isnt cost effective... but it can be had for a decent price.. and when its ran at a sufficient doseage like say 750mg-1 gram per week then it works real well. guys buy a 100 dollar bottle of 100mg/ml and only run a few cc's per week and think..god damn this shit is a waste of money...
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most gym dealers will have primo for like 100 per vial at 100mg/ml... thats why it isnt cost effective... but it can be had for a decent price.. and when its ran at a sufficient doseage like say 750mg-1 gram per week then it works real well. guys buy a 100 dollar bottle of 100mg/ml and only run a few cc's per week and think..god damn this shit is a waste of money...
with primo, what about the risk of getting fakes, mislabeled or underdosed stuff ?
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Never tried primo heard it wasn't cost effective what's your take?
If you're already running test, eq and tren , and DON'T compete then don't waste your money on primo
you won't even notice it.
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with primo, what about the risk of getting fakes, mislabeled or underdosed stuff ?
what about the risks? there is a risk of getting fake steroids anytime your purchase them, unless your getting them straight from a pharmacy. but even in a pharmacy, there still is a small chance of getting fake, mislabeled, underdosed, etc. its very rare, but it does happen from time to time. more often in less regulated countries like mexico, where a pharmacy might purchase steroids from a street dealer to resell to patients. since i believe 2001, it has been illegal to send in steroids for testing. so its pretty much impossible to know if youve gotten real stuff
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yeah but but if someone uses example 800mg test + 400mg deca and a shitload of anti-estogens (nolvadex) and aromamatize inhibitors (arimidex, letro, aromasin) to the max..... is this when you gotta add proviron in order to regain sexual performance if you lost it ?
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what about the risks? there is a risk of getting fake steroids anytime your purchase them, unless your getting them straight from a pharmacy. but even in a pharmacy, there still is a small chance of getting fake, mislabeled, underdosed, etc. its very rare, but it does happen from time to time. more often in less regulated countries like mexico, where a pharmacy might purchase steroids from a street dealer to resell to patients. since i believe 2001, it has been illegal to send in steroids for testing. so its pretty much impossible to know if youve gotten real stuff
i meant if the risk is a lot higher with expensive drugs like primo, anavar and so on...
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I don't get it. If you are shut down you are shutdown. Are there varying degrees of being shutdown?
200mg/wk Upjohn cyp will bring you up well above normal levels regardless of age. Now say you add all that other stuff. How does that reduce or dilute or render ineffective the amount of test in your system? As long as the dose of test is consistent wouldn't the levels also be consistent no matter what else you add? And at what dose of test does an anti aromatase become necessary.?
I have the impression that in Arnold days they didn't use nearly as much test as they do now. It was primarily anabolics.
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alot of jacked roided up dudes in this thread ::) ::) ::) ::)
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alot of jacked roided up dudes in this thread ::) ::) ::) ::)
Muscle building, it's serious business.
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Muscle building, it's serious business.
esp with a ratio of 1:2:5 ::) ::) ::) ::)
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eat big/clean, train heavy/consistently....are there things?
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yeah but but if someone uses example 800mg test + 400mg deca and a shitload of anti-estogens (nolvadex) and aromamatize inhibitors (arimidex, letro, aromasin) to the max..... is this when you gotta add proviron in order to regain sexual performance if you lost it ?
Proviron is one of the best kept secrets by the pro's :) that shit is f*cking magic in a pill!!!
it makes all the other steroids work better to their full potential inside your body and keeps your libido super strong.
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Proviron is one of the best kept secrets by the pro's :) that shit is f*cking magic in a pill!!!
it makes all the other steroids work better to their full potential inside your body and keeps your libido super strong.
Funny you mentioned Proviron, I just found a box. of Schering.never opened ,in the blister pack...Too bad they expired in 2001. LOL
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Funny you mentioned Proviron, I just found a box. of Schering.never opened ,in the blister pack...Too bad they expired in 2001. LOL
Awww!! bummer, I got 2 bottles of the stuff, that shit is amazing!
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Awww!! bummer, I got 2 bottles of the stuff, that shit is amazing!
Back in the 80's I did an Anavar only cycle and was making pretty good gains but my libido sucked, so I added a couple of Provirons a day and it made a big difference,. Libido went through the roof, I got denser, better pumps. Kept almost every bit of muscle from that cycle. I think the stuff is pretty good.
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Back in the 80's I did an Anavar only cycle and was making pretty good gains but my libido sucked, so I added a couple of Provirons a day and it made a big difference,. Libido went through the roof, I got denser, better pumps. Kept almost every bit of muscle from that cycle. I think the stuff is pretty good.
That's a great cycle..clean, light and you keep all the gains..
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That's a great cycle..clean, light and you keep all the gains..
It works because you combine an almost pure anabolic (oxandralone) with a pure Androgen/non-anabolic (Proviron..synthetic DHT) and the mixture stacks well... and the suppression is very mild in reasonable doses. Plus no water retention whatsoever.
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Proviron is one of the best kept secrets by the pro's :) that shit is f*cking magic in a pill!!!
it makes all the other steroids work better to their full potential inside your body and keeps your libido super strong.
I read that one of the functions of proviron is that it binds to SHBG which allows more free test to circulate. But it isn't hard on the hair line?
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some say
proviron = oral masteron
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I read that one of the functions of proviron is that it binds to SHBG which allows more free test to circulate. But it isn't hard on the hair line?
Not that I've noticed, though I'm not genetically pre-disposed for hair loss, so I can't really tell you for sure.
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"FOR FUCKIN EXAMPLE; ..."
;D ;D
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I don't know what kind of moron would inject there, right into the sciatic nerve pudendal artery...brilliant, when injecting glutes ALWAYS aim for upper outer quadrant.
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I don't know what kind of moron would inject there, right into the sciatic nerve pudendal artery...brilliant, when injecting glutes ALWAYS aim for upper outer quadrant.
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Id aim my cock fair square bullseye on her asshole :D
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So much logic and clarity in this thread.
I bet everyone really learned something here.
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I don't get it. If you are shut down you are shutdown. Are there varying degrees of being shutdown?
200mg/wk Upjohn cyp will bring you up well above normal levels regardless of age. Now say you add all that other stuff. How does that reduce or dilute or render ineffective the amount of test in your system? As long as the dose of test is consistent wouldn't the levels also be consistent no matter what else you add? And at what dose of test does an anti aromatase become necessary.?
I have the impression that in Arnold days they didn't use nearly as much test as they do now. It was primarily anabolics.
no,, reduction of estogen test ratio in the blood is a prime result for hardness problem in bodybuilders,,heavy doses of prouducts menion by gh15 will resuce esteogen test ratio,,,thus the ratio of test in the body to estrogen will grow ,,,you need to put in body much more testoisterone so new estrogen will come up back to where it should be inorder for sex drive to be optimal or be sure to have some good hot hoe that will be willing to suck your cock every 3 min when you get soft on her back into hardness,,
the main point is to take aromatazing hormones such as testosterone and dianabol to bring back sex drive,,
proviron is very good but its for people that didnt fuck their estrogen test ratio to begin with ,,people who been on tren eq masteron winstrol etc and minimal test for long enough time will notice they got no more sex drive or big reduction or they do have sex drive but have problem with staying hard ,,for that there is aalwys need to be right ratio of testosterona injected into the body in relashion to the none aromataze anabolics,,
some fellas just inject hcg but for the advanced bodybuilder who try to grow thicker and bigger the test ratio gh15 descrived of 2 to 1 should be followed,, hcg is something you need if you really try to get clean off hormones and want to bring your own shit to where it was at 21,,or get your girl prego after long time on hormones,,, etc etc
hcg always work no matter what you hear,,hcg never fails and will put anyone back to elephent balls and lots of sperm,,the problem with hcg is that it wil never be syntetic testosterone and thus cant grow you into neew dimentions,,so it give you bnack the big balls and lots of hard ons but with syntetic test at the right doses you get the hardons and the growth you want as bodybuiulder,, combination of both is best
gh15 approved
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What do you guys think? Maybe its not DJ after all?
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dont fuckin piss me off by comparing me to milos,, he is insulin guru ,,im god of hormones,,big diff
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hit a nerve, and such a quick reply.
i believe it
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I didn't notice any effect at all from proviron. Dose was pretty mild tho.
g101, consider dropping the deca, quit abusing SERMs and AIs, adding hcg & maybe some parkinson's meds but go to an hrt doc if your dick is really dead. Fuck man, I'd be waiting at the door for them to open in the morning.
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What do you guys think? Maybe its not DJ after all?
Use the search button, go back and read some threads with Milos and gh15, and then stop posting stupid threads.
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no,, reduction of estogen test ratio in the blood is a prime result for hardness problem in bodybuilders,,heavy doses of prouducts menion by gh15 will resuce esteogen test ratio,,,thus the ratio of test in the body to estrogen will grow ,,,you need to put in body much more testoisterone so new estrogen will come up back to where it should be inorder for sex drive to be optimal or be sure to have some good hot hoe that will be willing to suck your cock every 3 min when you get soft on her back into hardness,,
the main point is to take aromatazing hormones such as testosterone and dianabol to bring back sex drive,,
proviron is very good but its for people that didnt fuck their estrogen test ratio to begin with ,,people who been on tren eq masteron winstrol etc and minimal test for long enough time will notice they got no more sex drive or big reduction or they do have sex drive but have problem with staying hard ,,for that there is aalwys need to be right ratio of testosterona injected into the body in relashion to the none aromataze anabolics,,
some fellas just inject hcg but for the advanced bodybuilder who try to grow thicker and bigger the test ratio gh15 descrived of 2 to 1 should be followed,, hcg is something you need if you really try to get clean off hormones and want to bring your own shit to where it was at 21,,or get your girl prego after long time on hormones,,, etc etc
hcg always work no matter what you hear,,hcg never fails and will put anyone back to elephent balls and lots of sperm,,the problem with hcg is that it wil never be syntetic testosterone and thus cant grow you into neew dimentions,,so it give you bnack the big balls and lots of hard ons but with syntetic test at the right doses you get the hardons and the growth you want as bodybuiulder,, combination of both is best
gh15 approved
Fuk, that actually makes sense. I never thought of it that way. Still, the 2 to 1 ratio seems like a lot. Say a guy just takes 400mg/wk deca just to have a good beach body. He'd also have to be on nearly a gram of test a week by your reasoning. For that kind of "fella" it would make more sense to just ditch the deca altogether and just go on 800mg test/wk.
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I once got a dose off a fat chick from Exmouth.
Chlamydia, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
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gh15 = Gunter.
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GH15 = Stupid sack of shit.
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dont fuckin piss me off by comparing me to milos,, he is insulin guru ,,im god of hormones,,big diff
You are just a frustrated loser.
Fvck off from here FOREVER.
You said many times "Its my last post"
Why still you are here?
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why do you,,,,you loser only come on getbig to make yourself feel better with your little hormonized self along with paco,,drug dealer of spain though you belive is natural ::)
You are just a frustrated loser.
Fvck off from here FOREVER.
You said many times "Its my last post"
Why still you are here?
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paco and chacon are natural bodybuilders ::)
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why do you,,,,you loser only come on getbig to make yourself feel better with your little hormonized self along with paco,,drug dealer of spain though you belive is natural ::)
I dont care if you dont believe that i am natural.
I dont lose anything. ;)
I just enjoy my bodybuilding life style which is worry free. ;)
As i said, if i do good in the next contest, i will go to the lab to test me. ;)
And anybody doubt Paco. Please call spanish police or anybody to investigate him. ;)
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You are just a frustrated loser.
Fvck off from here FOREVER.
You said many times "Its my last post"
Why still you are here?
this is actually a good point. gh15 has said many times "this is my last post" on here. Yet he's still here
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I dont care if you dont believe that i am natural.
I dont lose anything. ;)
I just enjoy my bodybuilding life style which is worry free. ;)
As i said, if i do good in the next contest, i will go to the lab to test me. ;)
And anybody doubt Paco. Please call spanish police or anybody to investigate him. ;)
Wait. I believe you that you are natural, Twinkie Pie. But are you asserting that Paco is also? Just making sure before I drop a turn on your chest.
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Wait. I believe you that you are natural, Twinkie Pie. But are you asserting that Paco is also? Just making sure before I drop a turn on your chest.
paco is natural! if only he could afford it he says
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It works because you combine an almost pure anabolic (oxandralone) with a pure Androgen/non-anabolic (Proviron..synthetic DHT) and the mixture stacks well... and the suppression is very mild in reasonable doses. Plus no water retention whatsoever.
oh is that why it works?? lmao
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I read that one of the functions of proviron is that it binds to SHBG which allows more free test to circulate. But it isn't hard on the hair line?
would lower shbg be beneficial? it certainly would, if the Free hormone hypothesis is accurate. however theres a good chance that both bound and unbound hormones take action, and if that is the case then unbound would be vastly inferior to bound, as bound stays in circulation for alot longer than unbound, as shbg protects bound hormones from being metabolised by the liver.
BOOOMM
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my problem with roids is that even injectibles cut my appetite.
when I am off the sauce I can eat and eat and eat forever.
now I am on test and tren and I am never hungry, I need to forcefeed myself to eat 4000k cals :-\
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some say
proviron = oral masteron
some would say it, because it is a fact. lol, but adding a 17aa bond to the front of a hormone does more to it than just protect it from first pass metabolism in the liver, it also alters its effects at the receptor level. makign it a completely different steroid altogether.
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my problem with roids is that even injectibles cut my appetite.
when I am off the sauce I can eat and eat and eat forever.
now I am on test and tren and I am never hungry, I need to forcefeed myself to eat 4000k cals :-\
my problem with roids is that they do not work fast enough. ;D
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my problem with roids is that they do not work fast enough. ;D
Fuck you, you are a 250 lbs guy
bitch when you will be only 240 lbs like myself ;D
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Fuck you, you are a 250 lbs ####
bitch when you will be only 240 lbs like myself ;D
i am under 240, i had the swine flu last week, dropped about 15 lbs
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i am under 240, i had the swine flu last week, dropped about 15 lbs
damn hope you get better bro !
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oh is that why it works?? lmao
Yes, genuis. You're combining a non-aromatizing androgen that has minimal suppression with a low androgen/high anabolic substance. For someone who wants to put on a few pounds of pure muscle and have minimal sides and minimal hormonal suppression, it's a good cycle. Not everyone wants to blow up like a balloon and be on an endless high dose cycle like you, because the Crash is sure going to be bad for you my friend...and you probably won't enjoy life being soft and small with the hormonal profile of a 6 year old girl. Don't always insult people who don't share your goals.
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i am under 240, i had the swine flu last week, dropped about 15 lbs
What's your bf? is it under 20 ?
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Yes, genuis. You're combining a non-aromatizing androgen that has minimal suppression with a low androgen/high anabolic substance. For someone who wants to put on a few pounds of pure muscle and have minimal sides and minimal hormonal suppression, it's a good cycle. Not everyone wants to blow up like a balloon and be on an endless high dose cycle like you, because the Crash is sure going to be bad for you my friend...and you probably won't enjoy life being soft and small with the hormonal profile of a 6 year old girl. Don't always insult people who don't share your goals.
Don't kid yourself, Anavar is pretty suppressive. More than people think. I think it's a good steroid, but there's no such thing as a free ride when it comes to steroids. I can't prove it but I doubt Anavar is much less suppressive than dbol for example, mg for mg. Might be worse.
If you don't gain much weight the crash won't be as noticeable, whether you're suppressed or not.
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that is the wrong place to pin the glute. that bitch is going to hit the ceiling when the pin plunges due to sciatic penetration!!!!
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The only problem with this is that doses of test over 250mg per week bloat me with water weight like nothing else. 'Moon face' is a big issue for me with test! If I used an aromatase inhibitor, this would defeat the point. GH15, how do you avoid the bloat on high doses of testosterone whilst maintaining sex drive?
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damn hope you get better bro !
thanks, im over it now, but i still have the cough. although the cough is my fault, as ive been staying high 24/7 as of late.
Yes, genuis. You're combining a non-aromatizing androgen that has minimal suppression with a low androgen/high anabolic substance. For someone who wants to put on a few pounds of pure muscle and have minimal sides and minimal hormonal suppression, it's a good cycle. Not everyone wants to blow up like a balloon and be on an endless high dose cycle like you, because the Crash is sure going to be bad for you my friend...and you probably won't enjoy life being soft and small with the hormonal profile of a 6 year old girl. Don't always insult people who don't share your goals.
so tell me why its such a great cycle again?? ;D your bro science is impressive...
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Don't kid yourself, Anavar is pretty suppressive. More than people think. I think it's a good steroid, but there's no such thing as a free ride when it comes to steroids. I can't prove it but I doubt Anavar is much less suppressive than dbol for example, mg for mg. Might be worse.
If you don't gain much weight the crash won't be as noticeable, whether you're suppressed or not.
but, but, but... i thought anavar and proviron and other weak oral steroids werent suppressive !!! ;D
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The only problem with this is that doses of test over 250mg per week bloat me with water weight like nothing else. 'Moon face' is a big issue for me with test! If I used an aromatase inhibitor, this would defeat the point. GH15, how do you avoid the bloat on high doses of testosterone whilst maintaining sex drive?
I have the exact same problem... as soon as I go over an amp of sust a week my face turns into a basketball..
best advice I can give you to try is, prop every 2 days, that seemed to work for me.
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but, but, but... i thought anavar and proviron and other weak oral steroids werent suppressive !!! ;D
Proviron has numerous studies showing long term use with minimal suppression. You're Mr. Google so you should be able to find them. Anavar is suppressive, but much less so than most any other steroid out there besides maybe Primobolin. I merely related my personal experience..which was about 12 pounds of solid muscle in under 8 weeks..no sides, no bloat..zero problems when I came off. Obviously, it's not a pro bodybuilder stack...just alternatives for those who want to gain muscle with as few problems as possible. And as far as me having "Bro" science, you're wrong. "Bro" science is "You have to do Deca and Test for at least 12 weeks" or you aint shit. I post on these boards once in a while because after reading stuff like "Help, My dick hasn't worked in 6 months" or "My testosterone blood work came back and the doc says I need replacement for life and I'm 25", or ""I have to go get gyno surgery", "My HDL levels are horribly whacked"..you know, typical steroid board shit. God forbid, someone like me comes along and shows you don't have to go through all that shit if you use your head.
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Proviron has numerous studies showing long term use with minimal suppression. You're Mr. Google so you should be able to find them. Anavar is suppressive, but much less so than most any other steroid out there besides maybe Primobolin. I merely related my personal experience..which was about 12 pounds of solid muscle in under 8 weeks..no sides, no bloat..zero problems when I came off. Obviously, it's not a pro bodybuilder stack...just alternatives for those who want to gain muscle with as few problems as possible. And as far as me having "Bro" science, you're wrong. "Bro" science is "You have to do Deca and Test for at least 12 weeks" or you aint shit. I post on these boards once in a while because after reading stuff like "Help, My dick hasn't worked in 6 months" or "My testosterone blood work came back and the doc says I need replacement for life and I'm 25", or ""I have to go get gyno surgery", "My HDL levels are horribly whacked"..you know, typical steroid board shit. God forbid, someone like me comes along and shows you don't have to go through all that shit if you use your head.
nothing wrong with using your head but your bro science posts about "stacking" "low androgenic & high anabolic" etc etc... that stuff has got to go.
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why would anavar and proviron cause growth?
It works because you combine an almost pure anabolic (oxandralone) with a pure Androgen/non-anabolic (Proviron..synthetic DHT) and the mixture stacks well... and the suppression is very mild in reasonable doses. Plus no water retention whatsoever.
;D
it has nothing to do with the fact that both of them are steroids..
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nothing wrong with using your head but your bro science posts about "stacking" "low androgenic & high anabolic" etc etc... that stuff has got to go.
Really, why does Lewllyn, Duchaine and many others say the exact same thing in all their books?
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why would anavar and proviron cause growth?
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it has nothing to do with the fact that both of them are steroids..
Proviron by itself has virtually no anabolic activity whatsoever. Research it and you will see it's true. Anavar is weak on it's own plus will lower your libido due to it's lack of androgens. Taking them both together balances it out and you get results, your libido stays strong, and you can keep a lot of the muscle afterwards since you haven't lowered your test levels as dramatically as most cycles would. Not "bro" science, real world results.
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These shots are taken less than 2 years apart. Not saying I'm big or anything, but this is from 2 very low dose cycles in which I suffered absolutely no sides, no hair loss, no acne, no crash when I came off. Just saying,,results can be had without screwing yourself up.
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I have the exact same problem... as soon as I go over an amp of sust a week my face turns into a basketball..
best advice I can give you to try is, prop every 2 days, that seemed to work for me.
Thanks. I've had the same advice before, but I am yet to try it. What dosage of prop have you used? And was this with or without an aromatase inhibitor?
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The only problem with this is that doses of test over 250mg per week bloat me with water weight like nothing else. 'Moon face' is a big issue for me with test! If I used an aromatase inhibitor, this would defeat the point. GH15, how do you avoid the bloat on high doses of testosterone whilst maintaining sex drive?
Why would an AI defeat the point?
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Why would an AI defeat the point?
indeed + AI wouldn't stop bloat? that's AE right?
AI only prevents binding to receptor for gyno...you still have the high estrogen, don't you ?
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indeed + AI wouldn't stop bloat? that's AE right?
AI only prevents binding to receptor for gyno...you still have the high estrogen, don't you ?
Other way around. SERMs like clomid and nolva are receptor modulators. AIs like anastrozole are 'aromatase inhibitors.' They reduce the conversion of T to E so you don't have high E.
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Other way around. SERMs like clomid and nolva are receptor modulators. AIs like anastrozole are 'aromatase inhibitors.' They reduce the conversion of T to E so you don't have high E.
ahh i see. I thought AE anti estrogens is what kills estrogen and bloat... But AE and AI are pretty similar then? and SERM is the other. i'm such a noob. so nolva = still estrogen and armidex = no or less estorgen.
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ahh i see. I thought AE anti estrogens is what kills estrogen and bloat... But AE and AI are pretty similar then? and SERM is the other. i'm such a noob. so nolva = still estrogen and armidex = no or less estorgen.
And this is one of the main reasons i don't fuck with the shit. You can twist your head into a pretzel trying to figure out the "right' way to do them, and you'll most likely wind up fucking yourself up and grow tits
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And this is one of the main reasons i don't fuck with the shit. You can twist your head into a pretzel trying to figure out the "right' way to do them, and you'll most likely wind up fucking yourself up and grow tits
lol i hear ya! nothing goes better with 20 inch arms than a pair of a cups haha
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GH15, how to deal with my loss of appetite on roids
roids are ineffective if I can't eat enough !!!
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There are many different drugs available for increasing appetite. They are used in geriatrics, faggotry, and of course, bodybuilding.
Smoke dope.
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ahh i see. I thought AE anti estrogens is what kills estrogen and bloat... But AE and AI are pretty similar then? and SERM is the other. i'm such a noob. so nolva = still estrogen and armidex = no or less estorgen.
I'd say AE (anti estrogen) is just a generic term that gets thrown around online. It's not a class of drugs tho. You couldn't walk into a pharmacy and say 'gimmie an anti estrogen.' The pharmacist would ask, 'Anti how?'
SERM stands for: selective estrogen receptor modulator. It won't inhibit the conversion of T to E but it will inhibit E from binding to receptors in certain tissues, but presumably not in all tissues since it's 'selective'. Or maybe it's 'selective' in that it inhibits binding of only certain estrogens. (There's 3 kinds of E as far as I know.) Haha, I don't know in what regard it's 'selective.' Nolvadex (tamoxifen) and Clomid (clomiphene citrate) are examples of this class, mostly prescribed for breast cancer. They are not harmless and have been linked to eyesight degeneration and liver cancer.
AI stands for: Aromatase inhibitor. These nullify (dose dependently) the effectiveness of aromatase enzymes which are responsible for turning T into E, and are also prescribed for breast cancer. These will help reduce water retention but probably have their own sides which I haven't researched much. I prefer them to SERMs and have run them at low doses throughout a weak cycle, but I'm pretty much a noob too who just learned about these drugs because of a naturally crappy T level and not because I'm megadosing trying to get huge.
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The only problem with this is that doses of test over 250mg per week bloat me with water weight like nothing else. 'Moon face' is a big issue for me with test! If I used an aromatase inhibitor, this would defeat the point. GH15, how do you avoid the bloat on high doses of testosterone whilst maintaining sex drive?
i dont get this thing,,are you fellas fuckin blind? i said high test doses when you use other anabolics such masteron and trenbolone and eq ,,,the masteron by itself will prevent any water retention in the face even on high doses test if masteron taken in good enough dose,, same for proviron,,same for winstrol ,,,same for all those other anabolics beside test,,
if you take testosterone by itself at 1.2 gram plus a week with out anything else,,,then yes expect bloat in face ,,
you can minize bloat with ai ,,femara and arimidex both will get you dry but will also fuck your sex drive if absuing,,
remember you want some estogen glow because thats the core of sex drive,,its the estrogen test ratio that needs to be looked at,,,having too much testosterone and almost no estogen = soft cock in bed or if you have real hot girl then its hard for 3 min then soft then hard then soft,,,but most fellas cant even get it hard period because not everyone has a hot girl...
sex is all in the brain ,,you can get somewhat hard even with out enough estrogen or with out enough testosterone ,,,but the quality wil not be good,,for good quality and happy sex life you need the good ratio of testosterone to estrogen ,,estrogen should always be in the system unless you dont care about sex life
gh15 approved
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GH15, how to deal with my loss of appetite on roids
roids are ineffective if I can't eat enough !!!
get off the orals get off anapolon,,
real testosterone will alwys make one hungry ,,real dianabol will always make one hungry,,real gh will always make one hungry,,
dianabol hunger will subside after a while but with gh it will continue,,
test hunger is always there because test = superman in every aspect,, in addition what you can chew you swallow,,as in protien drinks,, meal replacements,,,drink it or eat it same exact thing,,only the drinking shoudl be done every 2-3 hours and not evern 3-4 hours like food
gh15 approved
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fellas,,gh15 consistantly for several years now get the reptetive unesessary questions about doses,,gh15 answered those questions million times ,,i will do it another time here in capital to clarify any misconception and any sex related issue you have that goes along with doses and its direct relashion,,
WHEN I SAY BODYBUILDER TAKE 2 GRAMS 3 GREAMS 4 GREAMS AND EVEN 5 = GRAMS I MEAN JUST THAT ,, ITS ALWAYS THE RATIO OF PRODUCTS YOU TAKE ALWAYS RATIO OF TEST TO THE OTHER HORMONES,,THIS RATIO SHOUDL ALWAYS BE AT 2:1 PREFRETABLY 2.5:1
NOW ,,THE MORE ADVANCED BODYBUILDER YOU ARE THE MORE HORMONES YOU TAKE THE MORE DIFF HORMONES YOU TAKE AND THE HIGHER DOSES YOU TAKE ,,,IF YOU HAVE LEGIT HORMONES AND YOURE A BODYBUILDER FEMILIAR WITH HORMONES...AS IN COMPETETIVE OR GYM RAT THAT DOESNT WANT TO COMPETE BUT PUT HIS YEARS IN ...THE MAIN CONCEPT IS TO ALWAYS TAKE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA TO COMPANSATE FOR THE OTHER SHIT YOU TAKE,,,
FOR FUCKIN EXAMPLE; LETS SAY YOU INJECT 400 MG A WEEK MASTERON ,,800 MG A WEEK EQUIPOISE ,,400 NG A WEEK TRENBOLONE ACE,,THIS IS TOTAL OF 1600MG NOW THATS WHAT GH15 MEANS BY THE FACT THAT THEN....THE BODYBUILDER SHOULD GET IN HIS SYSTEM 2.5 GRAM TESTOSTERONE A WEEK INORDER TO HAVE SEX DRIVE AND FULLNESS AND THE RIGHT BALANCE GOING SO HE CAN GROW RIGHT AND CAN STILL FUCK HIS WOMAN RIGHT! SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO NOT GET IT YET,,
YES WE DO 3-4 GRAMS GEAR,,ITS ALL A RATIO MY FRIENDS,,WE DO A LOT MORE THAN 3-4 GRRAMS IN SOME CASES,,
IF YOU THINK THAT YOU WILL INJECT 250 MG TEST INJECT IN YOU WHEN YOU PUT IN YOUR ASS RIGHT WITH IT 1.5 GRAM OF THE OTHER ANABOLICS I MENTIONED AND YOU THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR COCK WORK ,,YOU ARE SEVERELY WRONG ,,YOU WILL GROW DRY AND GROW DEPRESSED! YOU WILL NOT GROW TO FULL POTENTIONAL YOU WILL LACK FULNESS THIS THING DONT WORK THIS WAY MY FRIENDS,, THOSE ANABOLICS MENTIONED SHUT YOU DOWN IF NOT TAKING ENOUGH TEST IN RATIO GH15 MENTIONED
ALWAYS REMEMBER FRIENDS,,THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TESTOSTERONE IN HIGH ENOUGH RATIO DOSE IN THE BLOOD INORDER TO REMAIN AT FULL PERFORMANCE,,IF YOU THINK YOU CAN SKIP BY YOU ARE SEVETELY MISTAKEN,,
TRUE THE ONES WHO USE TESTOSTERONE ONLY AND SOME DIANABOL CAN SKIP BY WITH 750 MG A WEEK TO 1 GRAM WEEK TOTAL USE BUT NONE OF THE ADVANCE BODYBUILDER USE ONLY TEST ,,WE USE MUCH AND MANY MORE PRODUCTS AND THUS THE MAIN REASON FOR HIGH DOSE TEST,,
ESTROGEN IS INTEGRAL PART OF SEX ,,,,NO ESTROGEN = NO HARD COCK ,,OR HARD AND SOFT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN HARNDESS,,NO CIALIS WONT WORK NO VIAGRA WONT WORK,,,ITS TEST IN HIGH ENOUGH DOSES THAT THOSE FELLAS LACK,,
THIS POST IS GH15 APPROVED AND SEALED
DONT BOTHER ME WITH THIS NONSENSE SHIT ANYMORE,,YOU HAVE IT HERE LAYED OUT
you are talking shit once again gh15. this works IF you have assistance, which means that basically anything works.
static ratios have been proven to not work and are sub optimal at best. you can do a search using a thing called google to verify this. the best way is to gradually ramp up certain nutrients to move the body through the sparing and loading phase, cycling through a range of nutrients. againb, this is common knowledge for nutritionists and world class athletes. BUT, in the absence of hormonal assistance.
with hormones, certain schemes work ok, and others better, but even then the body still reacts always to move to a state of balance..i.e. if you dose up on protein, the body initially uses it, then works to eliminate it. you get to a point where it is a waste of time. You will still get gains, but that isnt because of your scientific routine, it is because of drugs..plain and simple. The fact that static regimens are advertised is to keep it simple so ppl dont have to have half a brain to adopt approaches. it works on the chance that most people will stray from the fixed regimen once in a while. So basically if you cant, or wont learn about how the body works, then you'll be ok doing this...but it isnt optimal, and dont expect it to work wonders if you arent taking hormones.
essentially if you want to grow, read some books written by established experts in the field, not some life long steroid and GH user who cant really distinguish between what works and what doesnt due to the loads of variables in his system (this is you and your mates gh15).
you need double blind studies to determine what works, conducted by boffins and reviews by their peers. And youll find that one principle stands out time and time againand that is that the human body adapts to stimulus in all forms and reacts by attempting to bring it back to status quo. thats why fixed routines of anything dont work for ever. diet included.
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you are talking shit once again gh15. this works IF you have assistance, which means that basically anything works.
static ratios have been proven to not work and are sub optimal at best. you can do a search using a thing called google to verify this. the best way is to gradually ramp up certain nutrients to move the body through the sparing and loading phase, cycling through a range of nutrients. againb, this is common knowledge for nutritionists and world class athletes. BUT, in the absence of hormonal assistance.
with hormones, certain schemes work ok, and others better, but even then the body still reacts always to move to a state of balance..i.e. if you dose up on protein, the body initially uses it, then works to eliminate it. you get to a point where it is a waste of time. You will still get gains, but that isnt because of your scientific routine, it is because of drugs..plain and simple. The fact that static regimens are advertised is to keep it simple so ppl dont have to have half a brain to adopt approaches. it works on the chance that most people will stray from the fixed regimen once in a while. So basically if you cant, or wont learn about how the body works, then you'll be ok doing this...but it isnt optimal, and dont expect it to work wonders if you arent taking hormones.
essentially if you want to grow, read some books written by established experts in the field, not some life long steroid and GH user who cant really distinguish between what works and what doesnt due to the loads of variables in his system (this is you and your mates gh15).
you need double blind studies to determine what works, conducted by boffins and reviews by their peers. And youll find that one principle stands out time and time againand that is that the human body adapts to stimulus in all forms and reacts by attempting to bring it back to status quo. thats why fixed routines of anything dont work for ever. diet included.
gh15 is god of hormones. Do not blaspheme. gh15 top pro Mr. Olympia top ten. Post your pic to show us what all your book knowledge has accomplished.
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i dont get this thing,,are you fellas fuckin blind? i said high test doses when you use other anabolics such masteron and trenbolone and eq ,,,the masteron by itself will prevent any water retention in the face even on high doses test if masteron taken in good enough dose,, same for proviron,,same for winstrol ,,,same for all those other anabolics beside test,,
if you take testosterone by itself at 1.2 gram plus a week with out anything else,,,then yes expect bloat in face ,,
you can minize bloat with ai ,,femara and arimidex both will get you dry but will also fuck your sex drive if absuing,,
remember you want some estogen glow because thats the core of sex drive,,its the estrogen test ratio that needs to be looked at,,,having too much testosterone and almost no estogen = soft cock in bed or if you have real hot girl then its hard for 3 min then soft then hard then soft,,,but most fellas cant even get it hard period because not everyone has a hot girl...
sex is all in the brain ,,you can get somewhat hard even with out enough estrogen or with out enough testosterone ,,,but the quality wil not be good,,for good quality and happy sex life you need the good ratio of testosterone to estrogen ,,estrogen should always be in the system unless you dont care about sex life
gh15 approved
Good post here.
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im pretty sure GH15 is tom princess... and he is using this fake bullshit foreign typing to try and throw people off...
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A DUB approved
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im pretty sure GH15 is tom princess... and he is using this fake bullshit foreign typing to try and throw people off...
:-*
A DUB approved
gh15 is gh15
doesn't need to be anything more or anything less
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There are many different drugs available for increasing appetite. They are used in geriatrics, faggotry, and of course, bodybuilding.
Smoke dope.
are'nt both the same thing