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I'm jealous of Jay. The man's got it all.
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Just think how uncomfortable he feels 24/7 with all that mass.
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nice adult car...but he should wear a seatbelt
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nice adult car...but he should wear a seatbelt
Arnold broke the law too ;D
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nice adult car...but he should wear a seatbelt
Jay is the law.
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I'm jealous of Jay. The man's got it all.
aprart from being healty which you cannot put money on it
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nice adult car...but he should wear a seatbelt
Ronnie is going to give him a ticket.
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Forget the car, check out the garage floor! You could eat off of that! :o
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Forget the car, check out the garage floor! You could eat off of that! :o
it's just has a protective clear coat.
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What is that? An S63 AMG?
Very good choice by Jay.
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it's just has a protective clear coat.
Please don't try to minimize the greatness that is Jay Cutler.
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That's the type of car a white man would buy. If Ronnie bought one it would be riding on gauche 24 inch chrome spinners.
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Nice car... Jay is doing well in life, and he doesn't need a tapout shirt ;D
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Phil's new Camaro
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Phil's new Camaro
Ha ha, nice purse! And they say pro bbers are gay. ::)
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i really wonder how these bbers can drive these expensive cars.
levrone and shawn were driving ferraris as well.
its no poor sport at all.
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i really wonder how these bbers can drive these expensive cars.
levrone and shawn were driving ferraris as well.
its no poor sport at all.
some of them just rent ;)
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hater
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(http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wtf_pics-pickle-boys.jpg)
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(http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wtf_pics-pickle-boys.jpg)
that photo is from my most random photos thread!
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(http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/FLEXPHOTO/jay_dave.jpg)
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Cutler is living the white dream.
Big muscles, big house, blond white fit woman, nice cars, nice dogs, loved by many, schmoed by even more.
amazing. Pure amazing.
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i really wonder how these bbers can drive these expensive cars.
levrone and shawn were driving ferraris as well.
its no poor sport at all.
they are/were the top dogs of the sport.
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they are/were the top dogs of the sport.
??? ???
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there not dogs
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aprart from being healty which you cannot put money on it
haha sure jay has everything...but in order to keep his everything he must keep his massive weight, diet, and non stop lifting-he knows if he doesnt he loses it all...its like a man in the circuis who makes a fortune off his talent of piercing his body...hes in pain every day...but knows if he stops he loses his riches
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Most people here would sell their first born for Jay's life.
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Phil's new Camaro
holding his womans purse, please don't tell me that is his ::)
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haha Louis Vuitton is so overplayed these days.
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haha sure jay has everything...but in order to keep his everything he must keep his massive weight, diet, and non stop lifting-he knows if he doesnt he loses it all...its like a man in the circuis who makes a fortune off his talent of piercing his body...hes in pain every day...but knows if he stops he loses his riches
omg natural that is buddha like wisdom, so wise :o
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my yamaka almost fell off i was so taken aback!
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omg natural that is buddha like wisdom, so wise :o
thank u my friend
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haha sure jay has everything...but in order to keep his everything he must keep his massive weight, diet, and non stop lifting-he knows if he doesnt he loses it all...its like a man in the circuis who makes a fortune off his talent of piercing his body...hes in pain every day...but knows if he stops he loses his riches
no, thats true about most black bb's not jay.
Jay is set for LIFE even he he stops bb tomorrow.
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way to make non-investments with your money, Jay!
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at least Phil's was made in North America
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Phil's new Camaro
ss?
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I'm jealous of Jay. The man's got it all.
He's living the dream, man. Living the dream.
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I wonder how is Ronnie doing financialy
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Cutler Mars is living the white dream.
Big muscles, big house, blond white fit woman, nice cars, nice dogs, loved by many, schmoed by even more.
amazing. Pure amazing.
fixed
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haha sure jay has everything...but in order to keep his everything he must keep his massive weight, diet, and non stop lifting-he knows if he doesnt he loses it all...its like a man in the circuis who makes a fortune off his talent of piercing his body...hes in pain every day...but knows if he stops he loses his riches
Please tell me who the fuck gains fortune from piercing their own body? Im in pain everyday that I read ur useless posts
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haha sure jay has everything...but in order to keep his everything he must keep his massive weight, diet, and non stop lifting-he knows if he doesnt he loses it all...its like a man in the circuis who makes a fortune off his talent of piercing his body...hes in pain every day...but knows if he stops he loses his riches
Oh brother ::)
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there not dogs
Jay Cutler cleaning dogs shit at home everyday ;D
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Jay Cutler's car VS Ronnie Coleman's car in 2008
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He's living the dream, man. Living the dream.
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This guy's life is a never-ending holiday. Sleeping out everyday, hanging at the poolside, playing a lil playstation, restaurant everyday for a nice steak and hit the gym for an hour or 2 a day.
Life sucks, and jealyousy is a bitch. :P
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This guy's life is a never-ending holiday. Sleeping out everyday, hanging at the poolside, playing a lil playstation, restaurant everyday for a nice steak and hit the gym for an hour or 2 a day.
Life sucks, and jealyousy is a bitch. :P
With some hard work, a schmoe to start you out, blonde hair, blue eyes and white skin, and decent genetics you could be there too. ;D
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What's a Camaro?
We don't have them here in the UK and I'm too lazy to Google it.
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living the life
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I gotta say, I live a better life than that - still, for many people, his life is pretty good I am sure!
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Phil's new Camaro
nice man purse
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Cutler is living the white dream.
Big muscles, big house, blond white fit woman, nice cars, nice dogs, loved by many, schmoed by even more.
amazing. Pure amazing.
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these insecure "pros" lease these cars (Shawn Ray),
pose with their cars for photographs like they are sort of celebrities,
but in the end do gay 4 pay.
living the dream
i really wonder how these bbers can drive these expensive cars.
levrone and shawn were driving ferraris as well.
its no poor sport at all.
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What is that? An S63 AMG?
Very good choice by Jay.
No, could be a S550 or S600, with optional rims. The S63 AMG has diff rims (5 point star) and body kit.
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No, could be a S550 or S600, with optional rims. The S63 AMG has diff rims (5 point star) and body kit.
Parker knows his cars, he proably has a better ride than that.
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Parker knows his cars, he proably has a better ride than that.
Shit i wish. What I need is some rich guy to hire me to advise him on what car to buy. Hell, I even inquired for job with a exotic car dealership in Dubai.
Btw, Levrone had a Acura NSX, never heard of him with a Ferrari.
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What's a Camaro?
We don't have them here in the UK and I'm too lazy to Google it.
a camaro is a car that some one buys when they want to look like hot shit but have no money
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some of them just rent ;)
or lease
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Shit i wish. What I need is some rich guy to hire me to advise him on what car to buy. Hell, I even inquired for job with a exotic car dealership in Dubai.
Btw, Levrone had a Acura NSX, never heard of him with a Ferrari.
He did have a ferrari, I think a 308 in the battle for the olympia 96 vid ;)
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Cutler is living the white dream.
Big muscles, big house, blond white fit woman, nice cars, nice dogs, loved by many, schmoed by even more.
amazing. Pure amazing.
QFT!
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With some hard work, a schmoe to start you out, blonde hair, blue eyes and white skin, and decent genetics you could be there too. ;D
I'm almost there except the schmoe part, I have baby blue eyes, white skin, 6 feet tall, but brown hair though ;D No homo.
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these insecure "pros" lease these cars (Shawn Ray),
pose with their cars for photographs like they are sort of celebrities,
but in the end do gay 4 pay.
living the dream
Insecure? What r u talkin' about? :D
(http://www.bodybuilderlife.com/images/stories/articles/flex08.jpg)
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I gotta say, I live a better life than that - still, for many people, his life is pretty good I am sure!
i'm sure mr olympia is jealous of you, savage mindset, epic outdoing jay etc......
Where is the squad when you need it............
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Jay Cutler's car VS Ronnie Coleman's car in 2008
Jay owning Ronnie BIG TIME!!!
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i'm sure mr olympia is jealous of you, savage mindset, epic outdoing jay etc......
Where is the squad when you need it............
You have to excuse "Gib," I think he was the one who had a chance with Carmen Electra, but turned it down.
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What is that? An S63 AMG?
Very good choice by Jay.
Definitely a "Lorinser" body kit on it. Might be a S or CLS class.
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a camaro is a car that some one buys when they want to look like hot shit but have no money
Hahaha, and that's the truth right there!
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Definitely a "Lorinser" body kit on it. Might be a S or CLS class.
Definitely an S class, looks like a regular S550 with the Lorinser kit.
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or lease
Leasing still isn't cheap. I pay a little over a 1000 month to lease my BMW 6series, and it dosen't cost nothing compared to their cars. Plus they have like 4 of them, which would run about 6 grand a month.
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only in vegas
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Shit i wish. What I need is some rich guy to hire me to advise him on what car to buy. Hell, I even inquired for job with a exotic car dealership in Dubai.
Btw, Levrone had a Acura NSX, never heard of him with a Ferrari.
In his vid he pulls up to the gym in a 328
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No, could be a S550 or S600, with optional rims. The S63 AMG has diff rims (5 point star) and body kit.
It's a Lorinser S550
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=645007
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In his vid he pulls up to the gym in a 328
what color was it...i aint got 10 minutes to see
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what color was it...i aint got 10 minutes to see
you only need 1 second to see
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you only need 1 second to see
thanks. wonder what possesed him to think he could make it hollywood film? i
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has anyone been to visit Craiggers or Killy recently? the penitentiary is such a cheery place around the holidays
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or lease
Oh brother ::)
Another GB genius.
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:)
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Except cleaning his dogs shit daily,he cleans his cars too.
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Leasing still isn't cheap. I pay a little over a 1000 month to lease my BMW 6series, and it dosen't cost nothing compared to their cars. Plus they have like 4 of them, which would run about 6 grand a month.
Damn, 1k a month for a lease? That's crazy! I know it can run that much, how much you put down?
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Damn, 1k a month for a lease? That's crazy! I know it can run that much, how much you put down?
5,500
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Except cleaning his dogs shit daily,he cleans his cars too.
I guess he has a lot of time on your hands when he doesn't have a real job.
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(http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/FLEXPHOTO/jay_dave.jpg)
Is that Mad Max going in for a cock shot?
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Except cleaning his dogs shit daily,he cleans his cars too.
And he showers 10x a day.
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This guy loves his porno.
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nice adult car...but he should wear a seatbelt
Breakin' the law!! Breakin the law!!!
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damn jay looks big there sometimes I wonder what it's like to have that much mass
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Is that Mad Max going in for a cock shot?
Quite possible. Mad Max will do anything for jay. ANYTHING.
Similar to use here on this board in relation to Mars
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damn jay looks big there sometimes I wonder what it's like to have that much mass
I can't imagine it being comfortable in any way.
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It's a Lorinser S550
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=645007
Good call and I stand corrected on levrone's Ferrari, but a 328 though, in 1996, levrone, how could be such a wannabe?
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Cutler is one of the few guys who makes millions from bb. Think about this, he travels all the time and gets paid thousands to flex his muscles for 10 min. He has a business that generates hundreds of thousands of dollars per year on merchandise that bears his name. He makes millions from bb and he has several successful investments.
Bodybuilding is a joke, but this guy is not. He makes millions doing what he loves and he doesent work close to as hard as your average millionaire. Living the dream no doubt. Anyone who hates on Cutler is jealous of his success, plain and simple.
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Cutler is one of the few guys who makes millions from bb. Think about this, he travels all the time and gets paid thousands to flex his muscles for 10 min. He has a business that generates hundreds of thousands of dollars per year on merchandise that bears his name. He makes millions from bb and he has several successful investments.
Bodybuilding is a joke, but this guy is not. He makes millions doing what he loves and he doesent work close to as hard as your average millionaire. Living the dream no doubt. Anyone who hates on Cutler is jealous of his success, plain and simple.
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Cutler is one of the few guys who makes millions from bb. Think about this, he travels all the time and gets paid thousands to flex his muscles for 10 min. He has a business that generates hundreds of thousands of dollars per year on merchandise that bears his name. He makes millions from bb and he has several successful investments.
Bodybuilding is a joke, but this guy is not. He makes millions doing what he loves and he doesent work close to as hard as your average millionaire. Living the dream no doubt. Anyone who hates on Cutler is jealous of his success, plain and simple.
agree.
but what about his life expectancy due to severe PED abuse?
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agree.
but what about his life expectancy due to severe PED abuse?
Sure, that's a factor, but I think Jay has accepted that he has to jeopardize his health in the short term to live his dream. I'm sorry, but I give credit where credit is due. I have a lot of respect for anyone who is at the top of their field, and that can make millions doing what they love. Doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs - etc. I think about it this way: Jay might have shaved 10 - 15 years off his life, but with recent advances in medicine, it's safe to say Jay will probably make it to 70-75 years old. I'm sure to him, he couldn't have asked for a better life. I'll answer your question with a question of my own.... Would you rather live until 85-90 and be unhappy, or live to be 70 - 75 and make millions doing what you love? We both know that without those abuses of ped's, Jay would not be where he is. The same can be said for many a pro athlete.
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Sure, that's a factor, but I think Jay has accepted that he has to jeopardize his health in the short term to live his dream. I'm sorry, but I give credit where credit is due. I have a lot of respect for anyone who is at the top of their field, and that can make millions doing what they love. Doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs - etc. I think about it this way: Jay might have shaved 10 - 15 years off his life, but with recent advances in medicine, it's safe to say Jay will probably make it to 70-75 years old. I'm sure to him, he couldn't have asked for a better life. My point is, would you rather live until 85-90 and be unhappy, or live to be 70 - 75 and make millions doing what you love?
Do not trick me into the "what is true hapiness " debate again, to some having a house, a car , one or several personal passions, a good enough health and satisfying human/sexual relationship with your wife, having kids and a job (either fulfiling or not) is enough.
I guess it always depend of where you come from and how far you ve been able to go considering where you come from. All the stuff you had to overcome and how you did it.
You can take a look at the suposed so called dream life of tiger wood in this other thread as an example. The guy has it all, yet needs to bang another woman cause he isnt satisfied with his model wife... Looks like hapiness isnt that easy to define.
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good call body88.
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Sure, that's a factor, but I think Jay has accepted that he has to jeopardize his health in the short term to live his dream. I'm sorry, but I give credit where credit is due. I have a lot of respect for anyone who is at the top of their field, and that can make millions doing what they love. Doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs - etc. I think about it this way: Jay might have shaved 10 - 15 years off his life, but with recent advances in medicine, it's safe to say Jay will probably make it to 70-75 years old. I'm sure to him, he couldn't have asked for a better life. I'll answer your question with a question of my own.... Would you rather live until 85-90 and be unhappy, or live to be 70 - 75 and make millions doing what you love? We both know that without those abuses of ped's, Jay would not be where he is. The same can be said for many a pro athlete.
oh brother ::)
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Do not trick me into the "what is true hapiness " debate again, to some having a house, a car , one or several personal passions, a good enough health and satisfying human/sexual relationship with your wife, having kids and a job (either fulfiling or not) is enough.
I guess it always depend of where you come from and how far you ve been able to go considering where you come from. All the stuff you had to overcome and how you did it.
You can take a look at the suposed so called dream life of tiger wood in this other thread as an example. The guy has it all, yet needs to bang another woman cause he isnt satisfied with his model wife... Looks like hapiness isnt that easy to define.
Everything you said is 100% true. I'm basing my opinion on what evidence I have that would lead me to believe that Jay is living his dream. If you look at all his videos and read his articles, it seems that he is quite happy and content. There was a video posted awhile ago of Jay and his wife eating at in and out burger (I think that's what it's called, we don't have them on the east coast)... Anyway, Kerry and Cutler are the last two at the joint, and the segment ends by showing the two of them laughing and smiling while enjoying some burgers at their favorite haunt. I think that showed the genuine happiness that Cutler has with his life. Having been married for years, it says a lot that they still do the things they did when they first got together.
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Do not trick me into the "what is true hapiness " debate again, to some having a house, a car , one or several personal passions, a good enough health and satisfying human/sexual relationship with your wife, having kids and a job (either fulfiling or not) is enough.
I guess it always depend of where you come from and how far you ve been able to go considering where you come from. All the stuff you had to overcome and how you did it.
You can take a look at the suposed so called dream life of tiger wood in this other thread as an example. The guy has it all, yet needs to bang another woman cause he isnt satisfied with his model wife... Looks like hapiness isnt that easy to define.
Generally speaking, most Americans desire a life full of expensive material possessions.
Research has shown that most super rich people are not that much more happy than your average high middle class family.
But IMO the individual should do what he wants. And I think Jay is where he wants to be in life / with life
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Everything you said is 100% true. I'm basing my opinion on what evidence I have that would lead me to believe that Jay is living his dream. If you look at all his videos and read his articles, it seems that he is quite happy and content. There was a video posted awhile ago of Jay and his wife eating at in and out burger (I think that's what it's called, we don't have them on the east coast)... Anyway, Kerry and Cutler are the last two at the joint, and the segment ends by showing the two of them laughing and smiling while enjoying some burgers at their favorite haunt. I think that showed the genuine happiness that Cutler has with his life. Having been married for years, it says a lot that they still do the things they did when they first got together.
yeah he looks genuinely happy -and down to earth-, we agree on that.
Now anyone can own a house/cars like his just having a decent paying job (doctors/dentists etc who makes shitloads of money, like 90 bucks an hour )
And they too, are as happy of their material comfort id say. I d say most of us would be more interested in achieving their lifestyle instead of his. (just it seems more EASY for us to lift weights, inject drugs etc than having 10 years long studies that are very intelectualy / emotionaly demanding...somehow what he had to do to achieve his wealth seems more attainable for most young people on here).
doctors, entrepreneurs etc dont need to ruin their health for their wealth either. And they re contributing to society more than cutler (in my view), but again lets not hijack the thread and enter another debate.
Again, i totaly agree he and kerry both did everything right fromt he begining, this is respectable. As respectable as branch warren business with his gym, personal training etc and his wife helping him.
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Generally speaking, most Americans desire a life full of expensive material possessions.
Research has shown that most super rich people are not that much more happy than your average high middle class family.
But IMO the individual should do what he wants. And I think Jay is where he wants to be in life / with life
not only americans, but all occidental people, and since the opening of the borders even the third wold is goign to have access to this material life.
it's obvious he , with the help of kerry, built a strong relationship and planned everything smartly from the begining, just compare the way they managed jay's career and money compared to..all other "pro bodybuilders" who wasted everything they could earn from it. Now i dont know , maybe she/he had some inheritance from family that might have helped , but if they built all of this from scratch, more power to them.
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Jay owning Ronnie BIG TIME!!!
The Bentley cost more than the Cayenne Turbo and the 6 series together. The Bentley starts off at 175-180K, then he had a custom interior, so add another 15-25k. As as far as the rims and the sound system, I will not count that, because it looks aftermarket to me. Bentley is a "Bespoked" carmaker, meaning that they will accomodate your customs requests. Sound sytems, just might be to gauche for them.
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The Bentley cost more than the Cayenne Turbo and the 6 series together. The Bentley starts off at 175-180K, then he had a custom interior, so add another 15-25k. As as far as the rims and the sound system, I will not count that, because it looks aftermarket to me. Bentley is a "Bespoked" carmaker, meaning that they will accomodate your customs requests. Sound sytems, just might be to gauche for them.
True, but Jay has much more money than Ronnie.
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True, but Jay has much more money than Ronnie.
There is high probability, yes. But to be truthful, we are speculating. Noone knows how much they make, because there is no public reporting of income for bodybuilders, "meaning Jay makes X and Ronnie makes Y, and Dex makes Z", like there would be for say, "Tom Brady just signed a 50 mil contract", or Beyonce just signed, etc. I think it's just odd. If anything as much as a cheapskate Shawn Ray is, he may have more money than both of them.
But what we can agree on is that the bbers like their cars, from Flex, Shawn, Dex, Jay, Dillett, Levrone. The only one who didn't drive around in a expensive car was Dorian, he even said something about bbers driving around in expensive cars.
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Good call and I stand corrected on levrone's Ferrari, but a 328 though, in 1996, levrone, how could be such a wannabe?
He couldn't swing a ' new ' F355 ;D I'll take a 328 all day long...I've ridden in a 308 and thought I was cool
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damn jay looks big there sometimes I wonder what it's like to have that much mass
i can tell you its not easy.
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64 chevy with bitches
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i can tell you its not easy.
I was talking about muscle mass "fat panda" ;D
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I was talking about muscle mass "fat panda" ;D
:o so was i >:( ;D
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Do not trick me into the "what is true hapiness " debate again, to some having a house, a car , one or several personal passions, a good enough health and satisfying human/sexual relationship with your wife, having kids and a job (either fulfiling or not) is enough.
I guess it always depend of where you come from and how far you ve been able to go considering where you come from. All the stuff you had to overcome and how you did it.
You can take a look at the suposed so called dream life of tiger wood in this other thread as an example. The guy has it all, yet needs to bang another woman cause he isnt satisfied with his model wife... Looks like hapiness isnt that easy to define.
That happens to everyone poor or rich, famous or not. That just tells you Tiger is human and a regular person just like us, it just so happens that he's rich and famous.
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thanks. wonder what possesed him to think he could make it hollywood film? i
how about the fact that he's still getting hollywood roles?
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how about the fact that he's still getting hollywood roles?
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Straight to video doesn't count
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how about the fact that he's still getting hollywood roles?
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is he a member of SAG?
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Straight to video doesn't count
says who and how do you know his upcoming movie is straight to video?
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says who and how do you know his upcoming movie is straight to video?
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Oh should I wait for the world premier ? ::) his acting career is about as good as Sergio Oliva's was
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Oh should I wait for the world premier ? ::) his acting career is about as good as Sergio Oliva's was
jeff long would be better in film than KL in that he's 5'6" and speaks clearly
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Oh should I wait for the world premier ? ::) his acting career is about as good as Sergio Oliva's was
his acting career is still going but keep hating, flower boy
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his acting career is still going but keep hating, flower boy
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Where is it going?................ straight to video . not hating pointing out facts fan-boy
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jeff long would be better in film than KL in that he's 5'6" and speaks clearly
good thing you are not a casting director, seeing as how you evaluate acting skills on battle for the olympia videos ::)
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Where is it going?................ straight to video . not hating pointing out facts fan-boy
show me the facts that his next movies are going straight to video
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good thing you are not a casting director, seeing as how you evaluate acting skills on battle for the olympia videos ::)
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Hahahahah acting skills , yes he's vying for an oscar as we speak lol acting skills ::)
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Hahahahah acting skills , yes he's vying for an oscar as we speak lol acting skills ::)
so all actors are oscar caliber?
no not hating at all eh flower child ::)
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show me the facts that his next movies are going straight to video
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Show me facts it's not ;) please Kevin was a great bodybuilder but he sucked as a musician and actor
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Show me facts it's not ;) please Kevin was a great bodybuilder but he sucked as a musician and actor
yes, that's the truth.
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Show me facts it's not ;) please Kevin was a great bodybuilder but he sucked as a musician and actor
you're the one that said you had the facts, lets see them
sold 100,000 records and gets acting roles, keep hating if it makes you feel better about yourself ;)
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jay should have posed better with his ipod or whatever that was. he looked terrible
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so all actors are oscar caliber?
no not hating at all eh flower child ::)
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You're the idiot who mentioned his ' acting skills ' one of the worse movies on rotten tomatoes ....acting skills you mentioned? ???
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True, but Jay has much more money than Ronnie.
and you know this how?
Ronnie was the number one guy for almost ten years and seems to be pretty good with his money as well.
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KL sold 100,000 cd's? what's the title i need to contact amazon.com
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You're the idiot who mentioned his ' acting skills ' one of the worse movies on rotten tomatoes ....acting skills you mentioned? ???
LOL he had a small role in redline, if you are going to blame him for that would you have given him all the credit it if was a success?
of course not, haters just hate
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you're the one that said you had the facts, lets see them
sold 100,000 records and gets acting roles, keep hating if it makes you feel better about yourself ;)
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Where did I say it was a fact his his next project is going straight to DVD? oh I didn't say it was a fact ;) keep making things up
and lmao 100K records ::) according to whom? him? and he's getting roles ? this means what? he sucked as a musician and now an actor , a pretty good bodybuilder though ......maybe if he wasn't playing lead singer for half the year he would have done even better
I'm not jealous of his bodybuilding career or his mediocre singing and acting one either , just pointing out facts
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LOL he had a small role in redline, if you are going to blame him for that would you have given him all the credit it if was a success?
of course not, haters just hate
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Who cares you mentioned his acting skills ;) maybe if he had any skills his part wouldn't have been so small
again lots of people to be jealous of Levrone ain't one of them , why stop at a failed musician & actor? if I were going to be jealous it would be of Arnold who had a legitimate career
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Where did I say it was a fact his his next project is going straight to DVD? oh I didn't say it was a fact ;) keep making things up
and lmao 100K records ::) according to whom? him? and he's getting roles ? this means what? he sucked as a musician and now an actor , a pretty good bodybuilder though ......maybe if he wasn't playing lead singer for half the year he would have done even better
I'm not jealous of his bodybuilding career or his mediocre singing and acting one either , just pointing out facts
to "point out facts" there has to be some proof, still waiting for it
if he continues getting roles it means he has an acting career, haters like yourself said it was over
he has had more success in every facet of his life than you, you're not jealous you just spend your entire life talking about guys like him on message boards ;)
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Who cares you mentioned his acting skills ;) maybe if he had any skills his part wouldn't have been so small
again lots of people to be jealous of Levrone ain't one of them , why stop at a failed musician & actor? if I were going to be jealous it would be of Arnold who had a legitimate career
how many actors get the starring roles right off the bat?
you say arnold had a legitimate career now, in 1976 you would've been saying something totally different...
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to "point out facts" there has to be some proof, still waiting for it
if he continues getting roles it means he has an acting career, haters like yourself said it was over
he has had more success in every facet of his life than you, you're not jealous you just spend your entire life talking about guys like him on message boards ;)
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Hahahahahaha what a ball licker
If I were jealous it would be of people who truly mastered their professions NOT some wanna-be who didn't ........Kevin was a awesome bodybuilder , a god-awful singer and a shitty actor
let's see those facts he sold 100K records sport ;)
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how many actors get the starring roles right off the bat?
you say arnold had a legitimate career now, in 1976 you would've been saying something totally different...
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No one gets a staring role right off the bat , and Arnold's career speaks for itself I hope you're not claiming he's the next Arnold in a few years ???
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No one gets a staring role right off the bat , and Arnold's career speaks for itself I hope you're not claiming he's the next Arnold in a few years ???
there can only be one arnold
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there can only be one arnold
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Let Kevin know that because he's pretending
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still waiting for the 100,000 record fact
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still waiting for the 100,000 record fact
Hahahahaha me too
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Hahahahahaha what a ball licker
If I were jealous it would be of people who truly mastered their professions NOT some wanna-be who didn't ........Kevin was a awesome bodybuilder , a god-awful singer and a shitty actor
let's see those facts he sold 100K records sport ;)
you're the biggest ball licker on getbig, well it's close between you and your buddy hulkster :)
how many people can say they were an awesome bodybuilder, created an album that sold records (yes he said 100,000 but still waiting for your proof that all of his movies will be straight to video) and gets acting roles?
i said you were hating, but since you brought up "jealousy" we can all see that you are feeling that way too
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Let Kevin know that because he's pretending
yeah give up and sell flowers hahahaha ;D
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still waiting for the 100,000 record fact
still sold more records than 99% of people either way ;D
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Hahahahaha me too
these grandiose idiots...cant be satisfied saying it sold 25 or 50 thousand....gotta be 100,000 oh brother
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you're the biggest ball licker on getbig, well it's close between you and your buddy hulkster :)
how many people can say they were an awesome bodybuilder, created an album that sold records (yes he said 100,000 but still waiting for your proof that all of his movies will be straight to video) and gets acting roles?
i said you were hating, but since you brought up "jealousy" we can all see that you are feeling that way too
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You're the biggest ball-licker by far and why? delusion prevents you from thinking clearly you're a fan-boy that makes it worse on par with team Nasser :-X
if I were going to be jealous of anyone , Levrone wouldn't be it many more much succussful people to be jealous of than him ;)
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yeah give up and sell flowers hahahaha ;D
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meltdown ;) I don't sell flowers now reduced to lying? like this 100K albums , you said something about proof .......where is it? ;)
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these grandiose idiots...cant be satisfied saying it sold 25 or 50 thousand....gotta be 100,000 oh brother
Kevin is a huge success in everything he touches , just like when he thought he was a sprinter ;D
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You're the biggest ball-licker by far and why? delusion prevents you from thinking clearly you're a fan-boy that makes it worse on par with team Nasser :-X
if I were going to be jealous of anyone , Levrone wouldn't be it many more much succussful people to be jealous of than him ;)
anybody that disagrees with you is "delusional" and anybody that agrees with you is a "smart man" your gimmick is played out and predictable, flower child
you keep mentioning the word "jealousy", awfully defensive :)
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these grandiose idiots...cant be satisfied saying it sold 25 or 50 thousand....gotta be 100,000 oh brother
either way still more than the haters
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anybody that disagrees with you is "delusional" and anybody that agrees with you is a "smart man" your gimmick is played out and predictable, flower child
you keep mentioning the word "jealousy", awfully defensive :)
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No you're delusional because you can't admit the obvious , as an actor , musician and sprinter Kevin paled in comparison to his abilities in bodybuilding and anyone who doesn't agree is a ' hater ' that's what makes you such a fan-boy
you're hating the ' hater ' so what does that make you? ;) a hypocrite
still waiting for those facts of his 100K albums liar
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meltdown ;) I don't sell flowers now reduced to lying? like this 100K albums , you said something about proof .......where is it? ;)
yes it was a laughing meltdown :D
you do something with flowers i don't know what it is, flowers are gay either way and if i'm "lying" what took you so long to mention it?
where is the proof that all of his future movies are going straight to video?
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either way still more than the haters
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let's see those ' facts '
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No you're delusional because you can't admit the obvious , as an actor , musician and sprinter Kevin paled in comparison to his abilities in bodybuilding and anyone who doesn't agree is a ' hater ' that's what makes you such a fan-boy
you're hating the ' hater ' so what does that make you? ;) a hypocrite
still waiting for those facts of his 100K albums liar
where did i say he didn't pale in comparison to his bodybuilding career?
all i said was he had success in other areas, to say otherwise makes you a hater, and in your case a jealous hater
keep dodging my question, flower child
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yes it was a laughing meltdown :D
you do something with flowers i don't know what it is, flowers are gay either way and if i'm "lying" what took you so long to mention it?
where is the proof that all of his future movies are going straight to video?
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hahahahaha flowers are gay ...obviously you don't have a wife/g/f or mother ;) and you're the same guy who claimed Levrone should win because he was more handsome ....what was that about gay again? lmfao
another typical Earl thread where it backfires and he gets owned ;D
where is the proof of his 100K albums and where is the proof his future movies wont be going straight to DVD ? yeah I thought so ;)
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let's see those ' facts '
so you are saying you sold more records?
where are the facts that his movies are coming straight to video?
i already told you he said the number
now answer my question, or just admit that you were hating
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where did i say he didn't pale in comparison to his bodybuilding career?
all i said was he had success in other areas, to say otherwise makes you a hater, and in your case a jealous hater
keep dodging my question, flower child
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You defend his shitty acting career and accuse anyone who points out the obvious of being a hater and jealous , his career in acting , sprinting and music is NOT a success for you to claim otherwise shows how blinded you are by his ' handsome face ' to see facts as they are
I'll answer your question as soon as you prove your claims
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hahahahaha flowers are gay ...obviously you don't have a wife/g/f or mother ;) and you're the same guy who claimed Levrone should win because he was more handsome ....what was that about gay again? lmfao
another typical Earl thread where it backfires and he gets owned ;D
where is the proof of his 100K albums and where is the proof his future movies wont be going straight to DVD ? yeah I thought so ;)
i'd say it's gay for a man to work with flowers, i also think chick flicks are gay but since my girlfriend or mom likes them i'm gay, brilliant ::)
bringing up ownings i gave you from last year i see, still hurting like a sensitive flower child would ;D
where is your proof? i asked you first
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so you are saying you sold more records?
where are the facts that his movies are coming straight to video?
i already told you he said the number
now answer my question, or just admit that you were hating
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hahahahaha Kevin said the number ::) just like he was born in 68 and he's 6'0" tall , I bet those are accurate too
When his next movie has a premier opening then you'll have something to work with until then I'll say it's straight to DVD
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You defend his shitty acting career and accuse anyone who points out the obvious of being a hater and jealous , his career in acting , sprinting and music is NOT a success for you to claim otherwise shows how blinded you are by his ' handsome face ' to see facts as they are
I'll answer your question as soon as you prove your claims
what makes an acting career "shitty"
getting roles or not regualrly being in blockbuster movies?
why do you keep talking about his face? are you jealous of that too?
learn to read, i told you the number he gave
now answer the question i asked when i immediately starting owning you, flower child ::)
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hahahahaha Kevin said the number ::) just like he was born in 68 and he's 6'0" tall , I bet those are accurate too
When his next movie has a premier opening then you'll have something to work with until then I'll say it's straight to DVD
still more records than you and everybody else
yes you will say it's straight to dvd because that is what a jealous hater like yourself does :)
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i'd say it's gay for a man to work with flowers, i also think chick flicks are gay but since my girlfriend or mom likes them i'm gay, brilliant ::)
bringing up ownings i gave you from last year i see, still hurting like a sensitive flower child would ;D
where is your proof? i asked you first
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No , no what makes you gay is the FACT you said Kevin Levrone's facial beauty should win him a bodybuilding contest , that what makes you a fag ;) the personal attacks you keep trying & failing at proves I own you , you're looking for a way out of your beating and thinking bring up what I do for a living is it ;)
keep running you're probably just as good at it as Kevin ;D
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still more records than you and everybody else
yes you will say it's straight to dvd because that is what a jealous hater like yourself does :)
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everybody else? sure you jest?
hahahahaha jealous of his shit Hollywood career? I think not fan-boy ...I would be jealous of Arnold , who was a true success in bodybuilding , acting , politics , finance ......my jealousies ( if I had them ) wouldn't be tied up on failures , why aim so low?
Arnold 7 Sandows , highest paid actor , net worth of almost $1 Billion hahahahahaha and I'm gonna be jealous of Levrone? sure ya right
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No , no what makes you gay is the FACT you said Kevin Levrone's facial beauty should win him a bodybuilding contest , that what makes you a fag ;) the personal attacks you keep trying & failing at proves I own you , you're looking for a way out of your beating and thinking bring up what I do for a living is it ;)
keep running you're probably just as good at it as Kevin ;D
i said his physique was better than dorian's and his face easily should've out him over the top because that made him more marketable, don't twist words to fend off ownings flower child
you bringing up debates from more than a year ago shows that you are still hurting
if you are going to dish out criticism about another man, don't cry when somebody does it to you
maybe learn from this brutal owning i gave you to prevent your itty bitty feelings from getting hurt again
no you'll just keep coming back for more ;D
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i said his physique was better than dorian's and his face easily should've out him over the top because that made him more marketable, don't twist words to fend off ownings flower child
you bringing up debates from more than a year ago shows that you are still hurting
if you are going to dish out criticism about another man, don't cry when somebody does it to you
maybe learn from this brutal owning i gave you to prevent your itty bitty feelings from getting hurt again
no you'll just keep coming back for more ;D
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you said Kevin's facial beauty should be counted and he should have beaten Dorian because of it , and you said it on multiple occasions therefore you're not only pre-occupied with his body but his face as well ( gay )
when you call others gay don't forget what you typed homo ;)
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meltdown
you said Kevin's facial beauty should be counted and he should have beaten Dorian because of it , and you said it on multiple occasions therefore you're not only pre-occupied with his body but his face as well ( gay )
when you call others gay don't forget what you typed homo ;)
haha you can't go one thread without talking about your hero dorian eh flower child
some people never change ;)
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haha you can't go one thread without talking about your hero dorian eh flower child
some people never change ;)
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hahahaha epic hypocrisy coming from someone who felt the compulsion to defend Kevin's ' acting skills ' when someone questioned them ;) some people never change you say? hahahah more brutal selfownage Earl keep proving me right ;) personal attacks aren't your way out Earl , only facts are and seeing you don't have any of those we all know what a loser resorts to ;D
thanks for playing though
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Phil's new Camaro
LOL!!!!!!! Epic 28K car vs 140k AMG.
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what's the title of the album that sold 100,000 units? i'm dyin to know lol
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LOL!!!!!!! Epic 28K car vs 140k AMG.
If Phil's Camaro is a V6 it's $29 if a SS V8 more like $45 and the Lorinser is $99 K
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If Phil's Camaro is a V6 it's $29 if a SS V8 more like $45 and the Lorinser is $99 K
i'll take a north american car anyday
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i'll take a north american car anyday
Hell 300HP from a V6 that gets great mpg , sign me up and I'll keep the extra $70K
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Hell 300HP from a V6 that gets great mpg , sign me up and I'll keep the extra $70K
Born for a small bread aren't we?
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If Phil's Camaro is a V6 it's $29 if a SS V8 more like $45 and the Lorinser is $99 K
no, that camaro seems to have leather, so if it is an SS its an SS2.
my bro got an SS1 as a weekend car, its sweet. It was about 31-32 i think.
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Born for a small bread aren't we?
who needs a hog when u live in the burbs?
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Hell 300HP from a V6 that gets great mpg , sign me up and I'll keep the extra $70K
oh my silly little friend. It's all about the tq, especially in a car that heavy. which is what that v6 is lacking.
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hahahaha epic hypocrisy coming from someone who felt the compulsion to defend Kevin's ' acting skills ' when someone questioned them ;) some people never change you say? hahahah more brutal selfownage Earl keep proving me right ;) personal attacks aren't your way out Earl , only facts are and seeing you don't have any of those we all know what a loser resorts to ;D
thanks for playing though
he evaluated his acting skills based on a battle for the olympia video, i won't tolerate such stupidity no matter who it is
again if you can't take criticism learn to keep quiet, or continue to suffer ownings :)
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with whom did Kevin study diction and elocution with?
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the camero looks cooler, and is still faster than you'll ever drive it at - not to mention its much cheaper.
camero for me 8)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4300000/2010-Camero-chevrolet-4300302-1920-1275.jpg)
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he evaluated his acting skills based on a battle for the olympia video, i won't tolerate such stupidity no matter who it is
again if you can't take criticism learn to keep quiet, or continue to suffer ownings :)
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You wont tolerate such stupidity lmao spoken like the delusional fan-boy you are. And once again more advice you should heed yourself if YOU can't handle anyone critiquing Levrone's acting ability you keep quiet or run the risk of looking like a gay teenage fan-boy but hey you have no problem with that apparently ...the only ownings that is going on is the ones you impose on yourself. keep typing you prove me right with every post.
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oh my silly little friend. It's all about the tq, especially in a car that heavy. which is what that v6 is lacking.
275 ft/lbs is lacking? compared to what a V8? more than the V6 challenger & Mustang ..in it's class it stands alone.
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2753 ft/lbs is lacking? compared to what a V8? more than the V6 challenger & Mustang ..in it's class it stands alone.
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V6 muscle cars are for chicks and pussies. hope this helps.
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V6 muscle cars are for chicks and pussies. hope this helps.
Yeah those stage two Grand Nationals with 1000-1500 + HP V6 are for chicks and pussies ;)
same as the 25th anniversary Trans Am with a Turbo V6 and the GMC Syclone and Typhon
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DJ is disabled?
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Yeah those stage two Grand Nationals with 1000-1500 + HP V6 are for chicks and pussies ;)
same as the 25th anniversary Trans Am with a Turbo V6 and the GMC Syclone and Typhon
So the V6 Camaro is turbocharged? ::) ::)
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So the V6 Camaro is turbocharged? ::) ::)
Who said that? I didn't ...I also wasn't stupid enough to declare v6 muscle cars are for chicks and pussies so much for that theory ;)
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Who said that? I didn't ...I also wasn't stupid enough to declare v6 muscle cars are for chicks and pussies so much for that theory ;)
Your list of rare American v6 muscle cars and trucks you listed are not the norm. the V6 trans am had many problems so many that most problem swap in a v8. The only car thats a muscle car on that list would be t-type grand national, very rare only 22,806 made. The last year, 1987, they made 245 HP @ 4400 RPM and 355 ft-lbs of torque at 2000 RPM.
So that's is one v6 TURBO muscle car not for chicks and pussies.
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Your list of rare American v6 muscle cars and trucks you listed are not the norm. the V6 trans am had many problems so many that most problem swap in a v8. The only car thats a muscle car on that list would be t-type grand national, very rare only 22,806 made. The last year, 1987, they made 245 HP @ 4400 RPM and 355 ft-lbs of torque at 2000 RPM.
So that's is one v6 TURBO muscle car not for chicks and pussies.
Who cares if they're not the ' norm ' you're the complete moron who made a blanket statement which was easily corrected. the last year for the GN ended with the GNX which had 276 HP and 360 ft/lbs of torque , the V6 Trans Am I'm talking about had the GN motor in it NOT talking about the base model V6
do some thinking before you type
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You wont tolerate such stupidity lmao spoken like the delusional fan-boy you are. And once again more advice you should heed yourself if YOU can't handle anyone critiquing Levrone's acting ability you keep quiet or run the risk of looking like a gay teenage fan-boy but hey you have no problem with that apparently ...the only ownings that is going on is the ones you impose on yourself. keep typing you prove me right with every post.
haha every argument you have here you use the same tired lines
all i did was call you a hater, you were hating deal with it son
and while you're at it lets see this crystal ball you have that shows al of his movies will be straight to video :)
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haha every argument you have here you use the same tired lines
all i did was call you a hater, you were hating deal with it son
and while you're at it lets see this crystal ball you have that shows al of his movies will be straight to video :)
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I'm glad you follow my arguments so closely proves how much real estate I own in your head. ;)
run along before I bitch slap you some more.
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I'm glad you follow my arguments so closely proves how much real estate I own in your head. ;)
run along before I bitch slap you some more.
20000+ posts with the same lines
not too hard to remember
bitch slap? getting a little testy there haha :D
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20000+ posts with the same lines
not too hard to remember
bitch slap? getting a little testy there haha :D
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I'm glad you personally looked at everyone of my 20K posts , thanks again for proving my point. ;)
testy would being reduced to a personal attack ( like you ) something I don't need , you're in good company with Hulkster both who have nothing and make posts that backfire.
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I'm glad you personally looked at everyone of my 20K posts , thanks again for proving my point. ;)
testy would being reduced to a personal attack ( like you ) something I don't need , you're in good company with Hulkster both who have nothing and make posts that backfire.
what can i say, i enjoy watching you get owned 8)
if "flower child" is a personal attack than that means you are ashamed of your living
i think saying a guys "acting skills suck" and "all of his future movies will go straight to video" is more of a personal attack
again, if you're going to dish it out learn to take it ;)
also you threatend to bitch slap me, that is threatening violence
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what can i say, i enjoy watching you get owned 8)
if "flower child" is a personal attack than that means you are ashamed of your living
i think saying a guys "acting skills suck" and "all of his future movies will go straight to video" is more of a personal attack
again, if you're going to dish it out learn to take it ;)
also you threatend to bitch slap me, that is threatening violence
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Keep trying to save face , you failed already.
Levrone = shitty actor , musician and sprinter no amount of ball-licking on your part can change these facts.
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Keep trying to save face , you failed already.
Levrone = shitty actor , musician and sprinter no amount of ball-licking on your part can change these facts.
all i did was point out you were a hater, and you continue hating
he's better than you in every way, jealous flower child
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all i did was point out you were a hater, and you continue hating
he's better than you in every way, jealous flower child
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Spoken like the ball-licking fan-boy you are , grow up seriously .
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Spoken like the ball-licking fan-boy you are , grow up seriously .
"ball licking" ain't exactly grown up words, son ;)
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"ball licking" ain't exactly grown up words, son ;)
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But it fits so perfectly so it applies ;)
I'm not getting my panties in a knot because someone said his movies are going to go straight to DVD ;) Mr Levrone defender has a compulsion to try and defend his failures that's textbook ball-licking on your behalf nothing new with you it's what you're known for most people speak of you on par with Team Nasser and FYI that's a bad thing .
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But it fits so perfectly so it applies ;)
I'm not getting my panties in a knot because someone said his movies are going to go straight to DVD ;) Mr Levrone defender has a compulsion to try and defend his failures that's textbook ball-licking on your behalf nothing new with you it's what you're known for most people speak of you on par with Team Nasser and FYI that's a bad thing .
What's with you, dude. It's the same shit with a different poster now. Stop fucking up threads.
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What's with you, dude. It's the same shit with a different poster now. Stop fucking up threads.
How did I fuck it up? by saying his next movie will be out to DVD ? I was in fact sticking to the topic and posted a clip of Kevin and his Ferrari
so spare me the I fuck up every thread bull shit
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How did I fuck it up? by saying his next movie will be out to DVD ? I was in fact sticking to the topic and posted a clip of Kevin and his Ferrari
so spare me the I fuck up every thread bull shit
This thread is about Jay Cutler, and here you are arguing your brains out about Kevin Levrone (sounds familiar ::)). You know that Earl will never agree with what you say. I mean honestly. Don't get mad at me for calling it like I see it. I'm sorry, it is what it is.
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This thread is about Jay Cutler, and here you are arguing your brains out about Kevin Levrone (sounds familiar ::)). You know that Earl will never agree with what you say. I mean honestly. Don't get mad at me for calling it like I see it. I'm sorry, it is what it is.
I was sticking to the topic in fact I was the one who explained what type of Benz Jay was driving , for some reason you glossed over Earl and decided to claim I ruined the thread not true either way and I don't get mad on the internet , you're just off-base on this one
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Who cares if they're not the ' norm ' you're the complete moron who made a blanket statement which was easily corrected. the last year for the GN ended with the GNX which had 276 HP and 360 ft/lbs of torque , the V6 Trans Am I'm talking about had the GN motor in it NOT talking about the base model V6
do some thinking before you type
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my point still stands.
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Phil's new Camaro
Right next to a new C-class Mercedes .
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But it fits so perfectly so it applies ;)
I'm not getting my panties in a knot because someone said his movies are going to go straight to DVD ;) Mr Levrone defender has a compulsion to try and defend his failures that's textbook ball-licking on your behalf nothing new with you it's what you're known for most people speak of you on par with Team Nasser and FYI that's a bad thing .
yes you are
if i'm on par with team nasser, so are you
show me a thousand page thread where i am defending one bodybuilder like you, and no you can't claim you "left' that thread when you defend him in every other thread
you admit to being a "bad thing" :-*
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yes you are
if i'm on par with team nasser, so are you
show me a thousand page thread where i am defending one bodybuilder like you, and no you can't claim you "left' that thread when you defend him in every other thread
you admit to being a "bad thing" :-*
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The difference being is I'm not delusional when it comes to Yates like you are about Levrone and them about Nasser , facial beauty ring a bell? I made a off-hand remark about his next movie going straight to DVD and you go off the deep end , I know it pains you but he's a horrible actor
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The difference being is I'm not delusional when it comes to Yates like you are about Levrone and them about Nasser , facial beauty ring a bell? I made a off-hand remark about his next movie going straight to DVD and you go off the deep end , I know it pains you but he's a horrible actor
you defend him no matter what even though he isn't your favorite bodybuilder, which is weirder than anything
i called you a hater, that hurt your feelings
you left me no choice, i had to own you
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you defend him no matter what even though he isn't your favorite bodybuilder, which is weirder than anything
i called you a hater, that hurt your feelings
you left me no choice, i had to own you
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I don't in fact , I don't stoop to delusions like defending everyone says of him like you do.
you own nothing except yourself with each post .
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I don't in fact , I don't stoop to delusions like defending everyone says of him like you do.
you own nothing except yourself with each post .
yes i am the only person that can own me 8)
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yes i am the only person that can own me 8)
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No I own you , you admitted to reading all 20K plus of my posts ;)
you own yourself often but it's easy to own you Mr Facial beauty lol
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No I own you , you admitted to reading all 20K plus of my posts ;)
you own yourself often but it's easy to own you Mr Facial beauty lol
i wouldn't say all 20000 but a lot because i like to see you get owned :D
yes i am the only one that can own me and all you own is flowers, flower child
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i wouldn't say all 20000 but a lot because i like to see you get owned :D
yes i am the only one that can own me and all you own is flowers, flower child
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You like to see me try and get owned because I kicked your ass so much , it's only natural ;)
you think the longer you post it will save you ....it wont. you're already owned ;D
straight to DVD baby
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You like to see me try and get owned because I kicked your ass so much , it's only natural ;)
you think the longer you post it will save you ....it wont. you're already owned ;D
straight to DVD baby
flower child meltdown
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flower child meltdown
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next......
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who wants to own ND next?
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Kevin has quite the shakespearian skills, can't say the same for Rampage.