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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TRIX on November 28, 2009, 05:51:17 PM
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Ronnie coleman
Jay cutler
Victor martinez
Kai greene
Dennis wolf
Phil heath
Branch warren
Dexter jackson
Markus Ruhl
Dennis james
Kevin levrone
Shawn ray
Flex wheeler
Dorian yates
Lee priest
Etc
What would these people weigh without drugs. You can add people if you want. I'd expect kai greene to be a lard arse, ronnie would look like he did prior to taking steroids (quite the tiny tit) lee priest would be a little fatso, dexter jackson would have to run around the shower to get wet, dennis wolf would be big and chubby.
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Most of them would still look great simply as the result of superior genetics.
Almost everyone else is wasting money on steroids.
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Pretty origanal thread, been thinking about this one a while have you? Ronnie was far, FAR from a tiny tit before juice. For the most part prob 80% of them would still look pretty damn good.
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Superior genetics?. Only genetics most of them have are in terms of there SHAPE.
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Picture of ronnie in flex magazine a few months ago. In police uniform and has hair. He must of been approaching 30, and he isnt big by any means.
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I would have to see the photo but didnt he turn pro before he juiced supposedly?
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Superior genetics?. Only genetics most of them have are in terms of there SHAPE.
Thats is a great point right there and never really brought up. For the most part the guys who look the best are the one with tiny little bird bone stucture. But I think you would still need to hyper respond to teh juice to make pro. Ah who knows they are all a bunch of crackhead, juicehead, painkiller junkies.
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Superior genetics?. Only genetics most of them have are in terms of there SHAPE.
Joint structure, response to juice, metabolism, etc...
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What would these people weigh without drugs. You can add people if you want. I'd expect kai greene to be a lard arse, ronnie would look like he did prior to taking steroids (quite the tiny tit) lee priest would be a little fatso, dexter jackson would have to run around the shower to get wet, dennis wolf would be big and chubby.
their face to body ratio would definitely tilt towards the unfavourable...with very few expections on that list
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Ronnie coleman
Jay cutler
Victor martinez
Kai greene
Dennis wolf
Phil heath
Branch warren
Dexter jackson
Markus Ruhl
Dennis james
Kevin levrone
Shawn ray
Flex wheeler
Dorian yates
Lee priest
Etc
What would these people weigh without drugs. You can add people if you want. I'd expect kai greene to be a lard arse, ronnie would look like he did prior to taking steroids (quite the tiny tit) lee priest would be a little fatso, dexter jackson would have to run around the shower to get wet, dennis wolf would be big and chubby.
Why would some of these guys be fat? They only eat big to get big. That's not how they normally eat. We've seen Ronnie and Kai natural they still look great. Quit hatin' and go to the gym.
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Why would some of these guys be fat? They only eat big to get big. That's not how they normally eat. We've seen Ronnie and Kai natural they still look great. Quit hatin' and go to the gym.
post pics of them natural
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ALL DRUGS
so take away the drugs and all is all that's left.
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ALL DRUGS
so take away the drugs and all is all that's left.
So if u took what these pros take... you would look like a pro too would you?
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So if u took what these pros take... you would look like a pro too would you?
where did i say or imply that?
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they would look big as hell.
not getbig monsters (275 with 8%BF). but we cant all be like that
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where did i say or imply that?
If its ALL DRUGS... then you should be able to look like one of them by taking the same drugs
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Still no Tom Prince pics yet? I'm dissappointed.
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If its ALL DRUGS... then you should be able to look like one of them by taking the same drugs
Pro bodybuilders, by definition, respond very well to drugs.
Without drugs, they may or may not respond better to egg whites, chicken breasts and steak than the dedicated gym rats with good genetics at any local gym.
If you cloned a bodybuilder, and both were equally dedicated to nutrition and training, but the only difference was that one was on the sauce and the other stayed natural, then the physique of the juiced dude would blow away the natural one. This huge difference is . . . all drugs.
However drugs are never given any of the credit (except on Getbig) hahaha.
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I would have to see the photo but didnt he turn pro before he juiced supposedly?
Dballing in college
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Still no Tom Prince pics yet? I'm dissappointed.
Or Tom Platz....selling used cars.
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;D
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Pro bodybuilders, by definition, respond very well to drugs.
Without drugs, they may or may not respond better to egg whites, chicken breasts and steak than the dedicated gym rats with good genetics at any local gym.
If you cloned a bodybuilder, and both were equally dedicated to nutrition and training, but the only difference was that one was on the sauce and the other stayed natural, then the physique of the juiced dude would blow away the natural one. This huge difference is . . . all drugs.
However drugs are never given any of the credit (except on Getbig) hahaha.
So what you are really saying is that the pros have a better response to drugs... therefore (acording to you) its a genetic drug response advatage combined with drugs. You still cant say its ALL DRUGS then by you own definition. As you admit (and i agreee) if you had 2 clones, 1 natty n 1 jucied, the juiced 1 will be alot more impressive. You also admit that the pros "Without drugs, they may or may not respond better" than a dedicated gym rat with good genetics.... you just dont know. So therefore how do you know HOW MUCH of it is drugs in order to make such a broad statement as "ALL DRUGS".
Everybody reponds to drugs... you admitted that... i just find it amusing that somebody can then somehow quantify how much of the end result is due to drugs... n how much of it is due to a "better response" to drugs so much so that it can be labeled "ALL DRUGS". How many people do you know who cant even follow a diet for a week or train hard consistantly.... then they try juice n they still dont look like much... they will then come up with another excuse like, i dont take AS MUCH as this guy or that guy, i havent used tren, i dont use gh ect. Its just a cop out just like the all drugs saying. Look at the list of bodybuilders in the original post... first on the list Ronnie Coleman...one of the biggest n freakiest ever AND also one of the hardest trainers.. is that just coincidence or maybee... just maybee... theres a little more to it than plainly n simply all drugs.
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around 150 lbs if under 6'0. 155 lbs if 6'2 and up.
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I think guys with good genetics could still be somewhere between 200 and 220 lbs clean in shape,though not as freaky hard i think the drugs can add 10 to 20 percent to overall bodyweight over a competitors career of 10 to 15 years, i think Coleman got to around 220 to 230 cleanish, no doubt that guy and guys like Sergio Olivia are some of the most genetically gifted guys at building muscle .
I'm not a fan of GH15 theories that all guys would 190 or less just on genetics, Ive been in the sport 20 years, no doubt some of his dosages theories are up there with things some people do, but his genetic issue with no one being over 190lbs clean is unrealistic a lot of big 300lb plus permabulkers would still be 240 clean no problem, in similar shape meaning 12 to 14 percent bodyfat, Biggest advantage of using drugs, bigger and leaner. I struggled to hold muscle when dieting when i was a natural years ago, when you use, no doubt you hold the muscle and burn the fat in a much more effective way.
Just an opinion based on what Ive encountered in an around the sport before i retired.
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OBESE GUY: oh look it's ronald dean coleman
OBESE GUYS FRIEND: quite the tiny tit
OBESE GUY: i got an easy 100 lbs on him
OBESE GUYS FRIEND: no doubt about, you huge aryan adipose bastard
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Can't speak for most, but drugs are VERY important like others have said. That being said, let's put it this way, I was 175-180 completely clean with single digit bf levels. I juiced up for a couple of competitions and went 205-210 on stage at around 4 or 5 percent. I am 6 foot so 175-180 isn't too impressive for getbig standards, lol, but I was lean as fuck and have pretty good shape. I also trained clean for 4 years straight before doing anything.
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I think some guys wouldve been pretty big: kai, jay, ronnie, dorian 230ish up to 245 in off season
The rest wouldve been small
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I think guys with good genetics could still be somewhere between 200 and 220 lbs clean in shape,though not as freaky hard i think the drugs can add 10 to 20 percent to overall bodyweight over a competitors career of 10 to 15 years, i think Coleman got to around 220 to 230 cleanish, no doubt that guy and guys like Sergio Olivia are some of the most genetically gifted guys at building muscle .
I'm not a fan of GH15 theories that all guys would 190 or less just on genetics, Ive been in the sport 20 years, no doubt some of his dosages theories are up there with things some people do, but his genetic issue with no one being over 190lbs clean is unrealistic a lot of big 300lb plus permabulkers would still be 240 clean no problem, in similar shape meaning 12 to 14 percent bodyfat, Biggest advantage of using drugs, bigger and leaner. I struggled to hold muscle when dieting when i was a natural years ago, when you use, no doubt you hold the muscle and burn the fat in a much more effective way.
Just an opinion based on what Ive encountered in an around the sport before i retired.
You mean like this guy?
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The industry couldn't survive without drugs.
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Most of them would still look great simply as the result of superior genetics.
Almost everyone else is wasting money on steroids.
That was not the question ;)
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Before and after and after.
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oh brother ::)
sure you can be big natural, maybe 200-230 at 10-15% but contest shape, no way! no one of normal height would weigh more than 200 in contest shape. don't be naive
gh15 approved
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IN CAPITAL SO ITS CLEAR AGAIN,,
CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL! CLEAN IS BODYBUILDER THAT FOR A LIMITED TIME USUALLY NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS IS ON NOTHING OR IN MOST CASES ON PEPTIDES OR HCG CLOMID AND THE SUCH,,
NOW,,
NATURAL LIMIT = 180LB AT 7-10% AT 5'9 OR SO 7 LB PER INCH TAKE OR GIVE ,,MOST FELLAS CAN NTO GET TO 180LB NATURALLY AT 5'9 AT 8% BECAUSE THEIR FRAME IS SIMPLY NOTTHAT GOOD FOR THOSE NUMBERS SO THEY END UP A LOT LESS AS IN THE 160LB-175LB AND WITH HIGHER BODY FAT,,
THE ABOVE IS COMPLETE NATURAL LIMITS,,IT IS NEVER OVER 200LB AT SINGLE DIGITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE,,
NOW...WITH HORMONES THE LIMITS ARE LIMITLESS AS IN FROM 190 TO 350DEPENDING ON WHAT YOURE LOOKING 4 AND OFCOURSE YOUR RESPOND TO HORMONE.,,GENETIC FRAME,,CONSISTANT TRAINING AND NUTRITION AND BY SAYING NUTRITION I MEAN LOT OF CALORIES,,YOU JUST WONT WALK AROUND 260LB AT 10% AT 5'10 NO MATTER WHAT DRUGS YOU USE UNLESS YOU EAT AND EAT A LOT!
IT GETS TO A POINT IN BODYBUILDING THAT AFTER LONG PROLONG USE OF DRUGS YOUR BODY STOP HOLDING MUCH FAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU EAT,,ESPECIALLY AFTER CONSISTANT LONG USE OF TESTIOSTERONA YOUR BODY CAN TAKE A LOT MORE JUNK FOOD AND TREAT IT AS MUSCLE FOOD ITS ALL THE SAME WHEN YOUR BODY IS FOR A LONG TIME IN ANABOLIC STATE AND IN BODYBUILDING CASE BODIES ARE ALWAYS IN ANABOLIC STATE BECAUSE WE ARE HARDLY OFF,,THE ONLY REASON TO EAT CLEAN TO BEGIN WITH IS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT,,WHEN YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN UPPER SINGLE DIGITS ,,,ANY FOOD WILL DO IT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA AND OTHER HORMONES IN YUOR SYSTEM,,
4% = CLEAN FOOD FOR A LIMITES TIME OF WEEKS
9% = YOU CAN SIT AND EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT ,,IN MANY CASES NATURALS CAN DO IT TOO IF HIGH METABOLIZM ,,THE ONLY DIFF IS THEY WONT BE BIG AND AS THICK
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A 260LB PROFESSIONAL GO DOWN TO 200LB IN NO TIME WITH OUT HORMONES,,AND THAST AFTER 10S OF YEARS OF TRAINING,,THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID IT OR IN OTHER WORDS SLOW IT DOWN IS THE USE OF HCG AND HGH BUT EVEN THEN! THERE IS NO RUN AWAYU FROM THE LOSS OF MUSCLE MASS BIG AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS,,AND WHAT REPLACES IT IS WATER AND FAT INORDER TO STAY 'BIG IN CLOTHES'
ALL FELLAS WHO STIL MAINTAIN SIZE AND MUSCLE PAST CAREER ARE ON CONSISTANT USE OF HORMONES,,
GH15 APPROVED
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IN CAPITAL SO ITS CLEAR AGAIN,,
CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL! CLEAN IS BODYBUILDER THAT FOR A LIMITED TIME USUALLY NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS IS ON NOTHING OR IN MOST CASES ON PEPTIDES OR HCG CLOMID AND THE SUCH,,
NOW,,
NATURAL LIMIT = 180LB AT 7-10% AT 5'9 OR SO 7 LB PER INCH TAKE OR GIVE ,,MOST FELLAS CAN NTO GET TO 180LB NATURALLY AT 5'9 AT 8% BECAUSE THEIR FRAME IS SIMPLY NOTTHAT GOOD FOR THOSE NUMBERS SO THEY END UP A LOT LESS AS IN THE 160LB-175LB AND WITH HIGHER BODY FAT,,
THE ABOVE IS COMPLETE NATURAL LIMITS,,IT IS NEVER OVER 200LB AT SINGLE DIGITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE,,
NOW...WITH HORMONES THE LIMITS ARE LIMITLESS AS IN FROM 190 TO 350DEPENDING ON WHAT YOURE LOOKING 4 AND OFCOURSE YOUR RESPOND TO HORMONE.,,GENETIC FRAME,,CONSISTANT TRAINING AND NUTRITION AND BY SAYING NUTRITION I MEAN LOT OF CALORIES,,YOU JUST WONT WALK AROUND 260LB AT 10% AT 5'10 NO MATTER WHAT DRUGS YOU USE UNLESS YOU EAT AND EAT A LOT!
IT GETS TO A POINT IN BODYBUILDING THAT AFTER LONG PROLONG USE OF DRUGS YOUR BODY STOP HOLDING MUCH FAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU EAT,,ESPECIALLY AFTER CONSISTANT LONG USE OF TESTIOSTERONA YOUR BODY CAN TAKE A LOT MORE JUNK FOOD AND TREAT IT AS MUSCLE FOOD ITS ALL THE SAME WHEN YOUR BODY IS FOR A LONG TIME IN ANABOLIC STATE AND IN BODYBUILDING CASE BODIES ARE ALWAYS IN ANABOLIC STATE BECAUSE WE ARE HARDLY OFF,,THE ONLY REASON TO EAT CLEAN TO BEGIN WITH IS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT,,WHEN YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN UPPER SINGLE DIGITS ,,,ANY FOOD WILL DO IT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA AND OTHER HORMONES IN YUOR SYSTEM,,
4% = CLEAN FOOD FOR A LIMITES TIME OF WEEKS
9% = YOU CAN SIT AND EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT ,,IN MANY CASES NATURALS CAN DO IT TOO IF HIGH METABOLIZM ,,THE ONLY DIFF IS THEY WONT BE BIG AND AS THICK
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A 260LB PROFESSIONAL GO DOWN TO 200LB IN NO TIME WITH OUT HORMONES,,AND THAST AFTER 10S OF YEARS OF TRAINING,,THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID IT OR IN OTHER WORDS SLOW IT DOWN IS THE USE OF HCG AND HGH BUT EVEN THEN! THERE IS NO RUN AWAYU FROM THE LOSS OF MUSCLE MASS BIG AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS,,AND WHAT REPLACES IT IS WATER AND FAT INORDER TO STAY 'BIG IN CLOTHES'
ALL FELLAS WHO STIL MAINTAIN SIZE AND MUSCLE PAST CAREER ARE ON CONSISTANT USE OF HORMONES,,
GH15 APPROVED
I think most of this is fairly accurate
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The pic on the right is fake dumb ass
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The pic on the right is fake dumb ass
No the scary part is it isn't......dumb ass ;D
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I think some guys wouldve been pretty big: kai, jay, ronnie, dorian 230ish up to 245 in off season
The rest wouldve been small
Interesting question... have you ever juiced? If you did, did you feel convicted while you were doing it?
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IN CAPITAL SO ITS CLEAR AGAIN,,
CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL! CLEAN IS BODYBUILDER THAT FOR A LIMITED TIME USUALLY NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS IS ON NOTHING OR IN MOST CASES ON PEPTIDES OR HCG CLOMID AND THE SUCH,,
NOW,,
NATURAL LIMIT = 180LB AT 7-10% AT 5'9 OR SO 7 LB PER INCH TAKE OR GIVE ,,MOST FELLAS CAN NTO GET TO 180LB NATURALLY AT 5'9 AT 8% BECAUSE THEIR FRAME IS SIMPLY NOTTHAT GOOD FOR THOSE NUMBERS SO THEY END UP A LOT LESS AS IN THE 160LB-175LB AND WITH HIGHER BODY FAT,,
THE ABOVE IS COMPLETE NATURAL LIMITS,,IT IS NEVER OVER 200LB AT SINGLE DIGITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE,,
NOW...WITH HORMONES THE LIMITS ARE LIMITLESS AS IN FROM 190 TO 350DEPENDING ON WHAT YOURE LOOKING 4 AND OFCOURSE YOUR RESPOND TO HORMONE.,,GENETIC FRAME,,CONSISTANT TRAINING AND NUTRITION AND BY SAYING NUTRITION I MEAN LOT OF CALORIES,,YOU JUST WONT WALK AROUND 260LB AT 10% AT 5'10 NO MATTER WHAT DRUGS YOU USE UNLESS YOU EAT AND EAT A LOT!
IT GETS TO A POINT IN BODYBUILDING THAT AFTER LONG PROLONG USE OF DRUGS YOUR BODY STOP HOLDING MUCH FAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU EAT,,ESPECIALLY AFTER CONSISTANT LONG USE OF TESTIOSTERONA YOUR BODY CAN TAKE A LOT MORE JUNK FOOD AND TREAT IT AS MUSCLE FOOD ITS ALL THE SAME WHEN YOUR BODY IS FOR A LONG TIME IN ANABOLIC STATE AND IN BODYBUILDING CASE BODIES ARE ALWAYS IN ANABOLIC STATE BECAUSE WE ARE HARDLY OFF,,THE ONLY REASON TO EAT CLEAN TO BEGIN WITH IS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT BODY FAT,,WHEN YOU TRY TO MAINTAIN UPPER SINGLE DIGITS ,,,ANY FOOD WILL DO IT TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA AND OTHER HORMONES IN YUOR SYSTEM,,
4% = CLEAN FOOD FOR A LIMITES TIME OF WEEKS
9% = YOU CAN SIT AND EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT ,,IN MANY CASES NATURALS CAN DO IT TOO IF HIGH METABOLIZM ,,THE ONLY DIFF IS THEY WONT BE BIG AND AS THICK
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A 260LB PROFESSIONAL GO DOWN TO 200LB IN NO TIME WITH OUT HORMONES,,AND THAST AFTER 10S OF YEARS OF TRAINING,,THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID IT OR IN OTHER WORDS SLOW IT DOWN IS THE USE OF HCG AND HGH BUT EVEN THEN! THERE IS NO RUN AWAYU FROM THE LOSS OF MUSCLE MASS BIG AMOUNT OF MUSCLE MASS,,AND WHAT REPLACES IT IS WATER AND FAT INORDER TO STAY 'BIG IN CLOTHES'
ALL FELLAS WHO STIL MAINTAIN SIZE AND MUSCLE PAST CAREER ARE ON CONSISTANT USE OF HORMONES,,
GH15 APPROVED
Good post.
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Tom Prince used drugs didn't he and he looks great now without the drug use.
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Picture of ronnie in flex magazine a few months ago. In police uniform and has hair. He must of been approaching 30, and he isnt big by any means.
There is the pic of him before he graduated at some Mr. Grambling event, I think. and he could have easily cleaned up at Mr. Get ig right then and there. If that is a tiny tit, I want to know what type of tits you've been looking at.
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No the scary part is it isn't......dumb ass ;D
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COMES down to the level of hardness and fullness that the drugs produce,plus it all depends on how many yrs and amounts on.pro level is on a whole other level ,the mass these guys carry need constant and consistent amounts,food,training,tough to keep up for yrs and yrs.i 'll use labrada as a example i saw a pic of him and he looks good still,and even if he weighs 185/190 and still lean, its not his contest shape hardness 190/195 where he looks full,vascular,his drug prep gave him that look,and he could follow his old diet/training to a tttt and still not have that look clean.the bigger guys its more extreme,labrada was not heavy bodyweight guy in or off season .
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The pic on the right is fake dumb ass
No it isn't, I ran into Paul less then a month ago.
Not much has changed.
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Kevin Levrone looks quite different (in recent ads of him), than what he used to look like at his competitive best. Difference is massive with all pro's. More than in the seventies, as there is a lot more substance use today, so a much bigger contrast between on and off cycle.