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Well, I thought I'd get us fans of the show ready for this.
It is the final season for one of the most honored, most talked about, and most memorable television programs ever created.
LOST
Winner of the People's Choice Award for Best Drama
Winner of the Golden Globe Award for Best Drama
Winner of the Emmy Award for Best Drama
That's just to name a few. 8)
Lost: Season 6 (The Final Season)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(season_6) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(season_6))
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This is information that has been officially released:
The sixth and final season begins on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 at 8:00 PM EST. It will be a two hour (two episode) premiere.
There will be eighteen new episodes this season.
The Hollywood Reporter says the producers of Lost asked ABC for an extra hour/episode for this final season. This brings the total to eighteen hours/episodes.
The show's team began writing the final eighteen episodes on July 13, 2009, about a month ahead of filming which began on August 24, 2009.
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WARNING: SPOILERS AND POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW!
These are comments from Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse that were made at a BAFTA event:
Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said they owed it to ABC and the fans for the sixth season to tie up as many loose ends as possible.
Lindelof said: “We won’t be vague and ambiguous – there will be a lot of answers. We feel that if we hold anything back in the final season, it would be bad. Everyone’s come this far and they want a conclusion to the story. We’ve no plans to continue the story of Lost beyond season six.”
Talking about the pressures facing them as they prepared to enter production on the sixth and final season of the series, they promised it would not feature the complex time travel elements of season five. Instead, it would feel “more like season one”, Cuse promised, adding: “There’s a circularity to the show.”
No happy ending! :o
The pair has also ruled out a happy ending. “Bittersweet comes with the territory,” said Lindelof. “The ending we’re aspiring to is fair. As a viewer, whenever you have five minutes left, there’s an intense sadness. The ending of season six will be different from other finales because there will be no cliffhanger.”
Despite fans’ largely unsuccessful attempts to tease plotlines from the notoriously tight-lipped executive producers, Cuse let slip that the mysterious ‘smoke monster’ would become “an interesting character in and of itself.”
Lindelof added: “The network was always nervous about Jacob, but when we got these notes, we were like, ‘Are you watching this show? You’ve just seen a giant pillar of smoke pick up a man and slam him against a tree!’ They don’t really intervene any more.”
These are comments from producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse that were made at Comic Con 2009:
Season six is going to be much like season one and will close a loop in the story. We will see some season one characters that we haven't seen in a while and discover new things about the season one characters we've seen all along.
If Jack and crew were successful, Daniel should be living happily ever after somewhere. If not, he's pretty much dead. Either way, we will see Daniel Faraday in season six.
When asked if there would be flashbacks, Carlton answered that each season has used a little different storytelling device (flashbacks, flash forwards, time travel), and that season six will be no exception. He wouldn't elaborate on what that device might be, however.
We will get Richard Alpert's backstory, which is very in depth. 8)
Whether or not Juliet is okay remains in question, but we will see actress Elizabeth Mitchell in season six.
Actor Michael Emerson (Ben) said that while Lost does dance in and out of biblical references, calling the man in the black shirt with Jacob "Esau" is probably a stretch.
When asked where the island food drops come from, actor Jorge Garcia (Hurley) said, "Planes." Lindelof said that we might get to find out exactly where they come from in season six.
Dharma will have a much smaller role in season six because we've seen a lot of them and there are other questions to be answered. You can learn more about Dharma on the season five DVD and Blu-ray sets that will have special Dharma features.
Jacob has not appeared to the castaways in anybody else's body.
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Note: I will continue to add any new tidbits I can until the new season starts.
Please use this thread to discuss this last season. :)
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These are the videos from Comic-Con 2009.
The first video began with the characters coming up on the screen in what will be this season's promotional banner. They came up one at a time, facing forward, leaving a space in the middle, which was filled last by Locke, facing backwards. 8)
The second video was a Lost University commercial. This looks to be a fun promotion for maybe the season five DVD boxset or perhaps even a new alternate reality game.
The third video was a short clip from an ABC documentary called Mysteries of the Universe of Dharma. This is a limited series "of interest to fans of Lost" that will be shown online.
Note: I am going to put all parts of this documentary in a separate post.
The next video was a commercial for Oceanic Airways that boasted a perfect safety record since 1979, the entire time they'd been flying. Funny stuff. ;D
The next video was a commercial for Mr. Clucks starring Hurley and featuring Outback chicken. :)
The next video was a mockup of the FOX television series America's Most Wanted where host John Walsh talked about wanted criminal Katherine (Kate) Austen, who tried to set up the murder of her stepfather, Wayne Janssen, but actually killed his co-worker, Ryan Milne instead. She was caught, but escaped from a federal marshal. Very cool. 8)
Finally, a memoriam video was played. It was a tribute to most of the characters that have died, with music, a few clips, and their names. At the end, an extended tribute to Charlie Pace, and the words "You are LOST, but not forgotten." When it was over, actor Dominic Monaghan came out on stage.
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Okay, here are the five videos (six parts) of the Mysteries of the Universe: The DHARMA Initiative.
Mysteries of the Universe is purportedly a short-lived 1982 television series that aired on the ABC network. In actuality, the brand and its episodes have been created by ABC and the Lost team in 2009 as a promotion for the final season of the show. The first video appeared on abc.com/lostmysteries this past summer (July 23rd) after a KIA advertisement in Entertainment Weekly magazine that same week promoted the website.
Each part, released periodically over the following weeks, contained new revelations about the DHARMA Initiative. Each part is a segment from the same eponymous episode from the Mysteries of the Universe series. The final segment was released on November 16, 2009. The clips, in an extended form, will appear together as a featurette on the Season 5 DVD box set.
This is the KIA advertisement from Entertainment Weekly. (Click on picture for larger size)
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This is the show's fictional logo. (Click on picture for larger size)
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Here are the videos:
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Part Four
Part Five and Six
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Conclusions from the Lost Panel at Comic-Con 2009
It seems that things may have reset and we are following a different timeline. The evidence comes from some of the clips.
The first one was the Oceanic commercial in which they'd claimed 30 years with a perfect safety record, which means Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed.
The second was the Mr. Clucks commercial in which Hurley seemed to be a happy restaurant owner and he even talked about his good luck.
And finally, there was the America's Most Wanted clip in which we saw that Kate didn't murder Wayne because he'd changed his routine that day and another man was killed instead.
Mostly because we actually saw Kate kill Wayne and there was no way another person could have gotten into the house, we know that these weren't simply events that happened before the crash, which makes it seem that it's an alternate timeline.
The clues are pointing towards things resetting and happening differently, making it seem that Juliet was successful in detonating the bomb.
Another clue is that during the memoriam there were some people not mentioned that would have been mentioned if they were really dead, namely, Juliet, Locke, and Claire. Plus, it's interesting that in the Season six banner, Locke is in the middle and facing backwards while everyone else is facing forward. This could mean that he is against them or perhaps he is in front of them as their leader.
I don't know whether it's a clue or not, but the biggest find of the panel was on Dominic Monaghan's hand. He flashed his palm during a really quick wave and a few eagle-eyed people read from his hand: Am I alive?
Overall it was a great panel, the best Lost panel they've ever had and it gives us some food for thought for the finale season of Lost coming in 2010.
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I am so fucking stoked for this. i don't care how big of a nerd it makes me, this show is the shit.
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Just a reminder:
The season premiere of LOST is tonight, beginning at 8:00PM EST on your local ABC stations.
I believe that the first hour is going to be one of those hour long preview episodes to get everybody up to speed.
The actual two-hour premiere starts at 9:00 PM EST.
Please use this thread to discuss episodes of the show. Thanks.
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i'm jealous of east coast people, they get to see it before i do. i can't remember the last time i was this excited for something that wasn't related to love, money or sports. ;D
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Man, this show is so badass. I've been really impressed so far. 8)
It seems the bomb did go off which created two realities.
The first is exactly what many thought would happen; Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer, Juliet, Hurley and Miles have all been sent back to 2007 from 1977. What I didn't see coming is what fans are calling a "flash sideways", a new reality where the plane never crashed. :o
One of the things I love about this show is how it doesn't allow for the perfect result, the so-called happy ending.
In being back on a plane that does not crash, well, it benefits some while hurting others.
Boone gets his life back. Charlie gets his life back. Dr. Arnzt, Ana Lucia, Eko, Michael, Libby etc. al. get their lives back.
The problem is that Locke is back to being paralyzed, Rose still has cancer, Jin is still sterile and back to being a bad husband since he doesn't grow and change after being on the island. Kate is going to prison for the rest of her life (if they catch her).
How long before Sawyer's life catches up to him? Boone's sister Shannon stayed in Australia with her abusive boyfriend. Ana Lucia may be alive, but remember that she's going back to LA to turn herself in for murdering the criminal who shot her and caused her to lose her baby.
An important part seems to be Desmond being on the plane. At the time of the crash, Desmond was living in the Swan hatch for about two years. Why was he on the plane? He shouldn't have been there. ???
Notice how Jack seemed to recognize him? Also, notice that he seemed to disappear off of the plane after Jack saved Charlie after he swallowed a baggie full of heroin. Desmond being there in that reality is going to be important somehow.
As to Esau, the man in black, I guess we now know who/what the smoke monster is. I loved when he killed Ileana's group. But why does ash protect people from him/it? Still another mystery.
Also, I loved when he said he just "wants to go home." Where is home? I'm speculating that Jacob is a good angel and Esau is an evil angel. I'm thinking that God put them both there to study humans to see if they were worthy beings that could grow, evolve. Jacob thinks yes. Esau thinks no. He just wants the study to end because they've probably been on the island for eons. He wants to go back to hell. Jacob thinks man is worthy of life.
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After she died, Juliet seemed to know that the bomb worked.
I like the new Japanese guy, Togen (sp)? He seems high up in power. Maybe just below Richard. Remember that Ben told the rest of the Others to go wait at the Temple because it was the safest place on the island. It was nice to see the Australian flight attendant who was flirting with Jack to be amongst the Others as they kidnapped her long ago. Also, the young kids that brought food and drink to the survivors at the Temple were the two little kids that were snatched off the beach after the crash. These two kids were the young brother and sister that Ana Lucia often worried about after their kidnapping.
It looks like they are concerned that evil may take over Sayid. Maybe Esau has other evil servants helping him. He doesn't seem to want to leave Locke's body. I don't think they were concerned that he may inhabit Sayid. I feel bad for Claire as it seems she may have been taken by this evil.
We have to remember that Jack's father Christian believed he was speaking for Jacob, but in reality he was working for Esau. He was duped into getting Locke to go back and convince the Oceanic Six to come back to the island. Esau knew Locke would fail, and that in his despair he would kill himself thus allowing Esau to assume his identity and manipulate Ben into murdering Jacob. This is the so-called "loophole."
We know this because Ileana's team found the cabin and burned it. They said "Jacob had not been there for some time." So when Ben took Locke there to meet Jacob, and we saw that very old man in the rocking chair with the long beard ask for help, I believe that was Esau. Notice that the next time someone looked in the cabin (Hurley), he saw Jack's father in the rocking chair. Jack's father was used to manipulate Locke for Esau. Either that or he went along willingly. It now looks like Claire has been taken too.
Richard was definitely on the boat, The Black Rock. It was undoubtedly a slave ship as we have seen. Richard is getting his own episode this season, so we should get a lot of important info. Definitely is hundreds of years old. He seemed to recognize Esau who commented that it was nice to "see him out of those chains." They he proceeds to bitch slap him right in front of everyone on the beach. Very cool. 8) I love it.
I haven't watched the last two new episodes yet as I am a little behind. Thank God for DVRs. :)
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After she died, Juliet seemed to know that the bomb worked.
I like the new Japanese guy, Togen (sp)? He seems high up in power. Maybe just below Richard. Remember that Ben told the rest of the Others to go wait at the Temple because it was the safest place on the island. It was nice to see the Australian flight attendant who was flirting with Jack to be amongst the Others as they kidnapped her long ago. Also, the young kids that brought food and drink to the survivors at the Temple were the two little kids that were snatched off the beach after the crash. These two kids were the young brother and sister that Ana Lucia often worried about after their kidnapping.
It looks like they are concerned that evil may take over Sayid. Maybe Esau has other evil servants helping him. He doesn't seem to want to leave Locke's body. I don't think they were concerned that he may inhabit Sayid. I feel bad for Claire as it seems she may have been taken by this evil.
We have to remember that Jack's father Christian believed he was speaking for Jacob, but in reality he was working for Esau. He was duped into getting Locke to go back and convince the Oceanic Six to come back to the island. Esau knew Locke would fail, and that in his despair he would kill himself thus allowing Esau to assume his identity and manipulate Ben into murdering Jacob. This is the so-called "loophole."
We know this because Ileana's team found the cabin and burned it. They said "Jacob had not been there for some time." So when Ben took Locke there to meet Jacob, and we saw that very old man in the rocking chair with the long beard ask for help, I believe that was Esau. Notice that the next time someone looked in the cabin (Hurley), he saw Jack's father in the rocking chair. Jack's father was used to manipulate Locke for Esau. Either that or he went along willingly. It now looks like Claire has been taken too.
Richard was definitely on the boat, The Black Rock. It was undoubtedly a slave ship as we have seen. Richard is getting his own episode this season, so we should get a lot of important info. Definitely is hundreds of years old. He seemed to recognize Esau who commented that it was nice to "see him out of those chains." They he proceeds to bitch slap him right in front of everyone on the beach. Very cool. 8) I love it.
I haven't watched the last two new episodes yet as I am a little behind. Thank God for DVRs. :)
dude, have you caught up yet? this season is amazing.
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Yep, I finally caught up. :-[
I couldn't agree more. This season has been truly great.
It's actually kind of sad.
I feel bad for Claire, Jin and Sawyer.
It looks like Claire will pay the price just for wandering off into the jungle when she saw her (and Jack's) father. Now, this Man in Black has her. Sawyer is just so despondent about Juliet that he is susceptible to following him.
Sayid wants Nadia back and Jin may be in trouble even though he was just trying to help Kate bring back Sawyer and maybe find Sun.
What is Kate going to do now? ??? She’s stuck with the Man in Black. Even the Others abandoned the Temple just to save their own lives.
I’m going to miss Dogen. He was cool. Don’t you think Sayid made a mistake? Dogen could’ve killed them after their fight, but he didn’t. Maybe that was a sign. Sayid is gone now. Lost. No pun intended. ;D
It looks like the survivors of Oceanic 815 will be battling each other. Good vs. Evil. Can you imagine if Jack has to kill Kate and Sawyer?
I tried crunching the numbers…
Good guys
Jack, Hurley, Ilana, Sun, Frank (the pilot), Miles, the ghost of Jacob, and maybe, gulp... Ben!
Bad guys
The Man in Black, Claire, Sayid, Sawyer, and all of the Others who joined him from the Temple.
Undecided
Jin and Kate
I can’t believe we still have twelve episodes to go. It almost seems like there should be only one or two left because of how fast everything seems to be coming together. :o
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I just wanna knock off some highlights from episodes 3-6.
Episode 3
Funny that Claire’s doctor ends up being Ethan from the Others.
Claire somehow knows to name her baby Aaron.
Great scene on the dock between Sawyer and Kate. :(
Jack trying to swallow the poison pill.
Episode 4
I loved this episode. I always love Locke episodes.
Notice that in this reality, Locke is not a man of faith as he had always been. He is now much more cynical. He’s more of a realist, believing he will always be paralyzed.
Helen talking about his father coming to the wedding. This must mean that his paralysis did not come from his being pushed out of a window by his father. In this reality created by the H-Bomb explosion, Locke and his father get along.
Rose still having terminal cancer. :(
Ben Linus working as a European history teacher. That was great. I guess he never went to the island and the same for Ethan. :D
Ilana telling Ben that the Man in Black is now stuck in Locke’s form. :o
Ben admitting that he murdered Locke to Sun, Frank and Ilana.
Who was that little kid in the jungle? Is that a young Jacob? ???
THE NUMBERS! Finally, after six years of wondering. 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. It’s them. They are the numbers. :o But where was Kate’s? Jacob visited eight people: Jack, Sayid, Hurley, John, Sawyer and Kate (as kids), Sun and Jin. But there are only six numbers? The Man in Black admitted to Sawyer that he doesn’t know if 42 refers to Sun or Jin. But what about Kate? And why did Jacob specifically come to those two when they were children?
Locke 4
Hurley 8
Sawyer 15
Sayid 16
Jack 23
Sun and/or Jin 42
Kate? Not a candidate? Then why vist her?
Episode 5
Jack has a son.
Claire in Christian’s will.
Dogen and his son at the auditions.
Coming back to the caves with the two bodies. I remember that Jack said that one was male and one was female back is season one. Also, one had a smooth black stone and the other had a smooth white stone on their person. See the Man in Black throw the white stone into the ocean after he and Sawyer got to the cave? The stones were on a scale. Balance. He threw off the balance.
"What was that about?" - Sawyer
"Private joke." - Man in Black
That weird lighthouse that watched them from the island. The "enhanced episode" said that the first image was the temple where Sun and Jin got married. The second image, the church, was where the service for Sawyer’s parents was held. And of course, the third being Jack’s childhood home.
Seeing Jack lose it and go off.
Claire being nuts. Axing that guy in the stomach, threatening to murder Kate, and saying, “That’s not John. That’s my friend.” Creepy. 8)
Episode 6
Sayid’s brother being married to Nadia.
Dogen and Sayid’s fight.
The loan shark being that mercenary from the freighter – Keamy(sp)?
Sayid killing all three guys.
Jin? I guess Keamy was the guy Jin was supposed to bring the watch and money to from Sun’s father, Mr. Paik. But in the original reality, Keamy couldn’t have been the guy. And what did Jin do wrong, not enough money?
Sayid killing Dogen was sad. :'(
Ilana knows a lot. She knew the secret passageway.
Ben was lucky Sayid didn’t kill him. Did he get out?
Kate is in serious, serious trouble.
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Are TrapsMcLats and I the only ones watching Lost? ???
You guys are missing some of the best television of all time.
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Are TrapsMcLats and I the only ones watching Lost? ???
You guys are missing some of the best television of all time.
I'm still watching. Good season. Really liked Richard's episode last week.
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I agree. The Richard episode was fantastic as was the Ben episode the week before. 8)
What's weird is that it looks like Ben may make it, may be redeemed whereas Sayid may be screwed.
I feel bad for Sayid. Losing Nadia just broke him. :(
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I think they already showed us what's going to happen in the first episode. The island was underwater. I bet that's how it ends.
One of my friends (a Lost fan too) asked what we're going to do when the season ends? I have no idea. It's the only weekly TV show I watch. Maybe I'll buy a good older series on DVD.
But I have one friend who is totally hooked on Korean soaps. Perhaps I'll try those. :D
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I think they already showed us what's going to happen in the first episode. The island was underwater. I bet that's how it ends.
The island is underwater only in the alternate reality where the plane never crashed.
The island sank from Juliet setting off the atomic bomb which along with the pocket of anti-matter underground, dropped the island into the Pacific.
When Juliet set off the bomb, it did two things:
1.) It sent Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid, Juliet, Jin and Miles back to 2007 from 1977 so that they are now back in sync with everyone else on the island.
2.) The explosion created a tangent reality in which Oceanic 815 never crashed on the island. By the bomb going off in 1977, the island sunk, the Swan station was never built, and Desmond's failure to purge the anti-matter simply never happened. It was this failure to purge the energy (when Desmond arrived back at the hatch too late after following and accidently killing Kelvin) that caused Oceanic 815 to crash in the first place.
But in the other reality, the island is fine. We just don't know which reality is going to be the final reality. ???
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Can one of you guys post a complete overview of Lost from season 1-current time, as in what the hell is going on, I keep hearing from my friend's that watch it religiously that it's about a time travelling island, and the whole question the show poses is fate vs. choice
Someone clear this up plz..
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Whoa. That's a really tall order. :o
My advice is to rent the first season, or try and download the first four or five episodes online. If it doesn't grab you within those first few hours, then I'd say it's not for you.
If it does, then get ready for some of the best television you will ever see in your life. No bullshit. 8)
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Whoa. That's a really tall order. :o
My advice is to rent the first season, or try and download the first four or five episodes online. If it doesn't grab you within those first few hours, then I'd say it's not for you.
If it does, then get ready for some of the best television you will ever see in your life. No bullshit. 8)
I just bought Seasons 1-5 and watched the last few episiodes, so I'm kind of (lol) Lost myself I've only seen a few intermittent episodes from the whole series so I'm basically playing catch up, now i just have to find some time to watch Seasons 1-5, I was hoping for an up to date, I know the basics, just trying to understand the whole island/dharma mystery so far I gather there are two major guys fighting for control of the island which is basically a time machine (??) and they are able to keep sending themselves back in time to gain eternal life since each time they go back their life is trying to catch up to their present time (so they do not age)
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I just bought Seasons 1-5 and watched the last few episodes, so I'm kind of (lol) Lost myself I've only seen a few intermittent episodes from the whole series so I'm basically playing catch up, now i just have to find some time to watch Seasons 1-5.
As much as this may suck, I would stop watching the new ones right now. There are only three (last one will most likely be two hours long, so one could say four) episodes left. If you get the answers now, the overall impact will be lost. No pun intended. :)
Look at it this way, every episode will be new to you. Try to avoid Hollywood media shows like ET, Access Hollywood, The Insider, all that crap, etc. You wouldn’t want to be spoiled by accidently hearing the ending.
Go back and watch them in order from season one. You’ll love many of the single episodes and the season finale cliffhangers are always great, especially season one, season three and season five. It is undoubtedly the best way to go. Believe me.
I was hoping for an up to date, I know the basics, just trying to understand the whole island/dharma mystery so far I gather there are two major guys fighting for control of the island which is basically a time machine (??) and they are able to keep sending themselves back in time to gain eternal life since each time they go back their life is trying to catch up to their present time (so they do not age)
Many questions that you have haven’t yet been answered. For example, what is the island?
The island has great power. It healed Locke’s paralysis, Jin’s infertility, and Rose’s cancer. It also has dark matter (anti-matter) in certain spots underground. This was something that the Dharma Initiative became aware of and was very eager to study.
Under the island, there is a giant metal wheel. When turned, this wheel literally moves the island to another spot on the globe. It is used as a defense mechanism to protect the island from being found. Also, the person who turns the wheel gets transported to Tunisia, Africa. The reason seems to be that a portal through space and time is created and Tunisia is always the exit point. Even the people who came back this way didn’t know why it was the return point.
So what can we say?
Clearly this is no normal island. Speculation has run from it being Eden, possibly Atlantis, and even to an artificial construct like say… an alien spaceship.
However, it now seems to point more toward religion and less toward the secular, the scientific.
The island is not a time machine.
Dharma was thought to be a big part of the story, but it really isn’t. The Dharma Initiative was an idea by two doctoral candidates, Gerald and Karen DeGroot at the University of Michigan. The plan was for a "large-scale communal research compound", where scientists could research meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, and electromagnetism. It has never been explained how the DI became aware of the existence of the island.
When the crash survivors discover the Dharma hatches, they realize they are not the first to visit the island. Once they discover Danielle, and once they meet up with the Others, their suspicions are confirmed.
But the Others are not Dharma. The Others are different people brought to the island from years, decades, and yes, in the case of Richard, centuries past. The Dharma people are all gone. I don’t want to say what happened to them because it will spoil it for you.
As to the two guys, they are not fighting for the island. A few season back, the leader of the Others claimed that he took his orders from a mysterious leader named Jacob. Jacob seems to be the guardian, the protector of the island. He may take human form, but I don’t believe him to be human. His nemesis is The Man in Black. This is what he is called. He has no specific name. He appears to be an evil being who is trapped/being held on the island against his will. It appears that he may be Satan himself and that it is/was this Jacob’s job to hold him there so that he can’t get out into the world and wreak havoc upon man.
It is known now that over the centuries (and I do mean centuries), Jacob has brought people to the island. It seems that he and this being disagree on the value of human beings. The Man in Black believes man is naturally evil and that it is in his very nature to sin. Jacob attempts to prove him wrong by bringing people to the island, giving them a clean slate, and then believing that they can learn, grow, evolve and come to completely understand the difference between right and wrong.
One of the people he brought to the island was Richard. He did this back in the late 1800s. :o No joke. Richard works for Jacob as a liaison between Jacob and the people brought to the island. In exchange for his service, Richard was made immortal. 8)
Jacob feels that if he has to explain to people the differences between right and wrong, good and evil, compassion and greed, etc. al., the people in question never really learn anything. It is akin to a parent telling a small child not to do something without any explanation as to why they shouldn't. If a person is to learn the difference, then they must come to do so themselves otherwise there is no understanding, no growth, and no enlightenment.
The Man is Black believes that mankind is simply an utter waste of time. He only wants to be free. He will use (and kill) people to achieve this goal.
So this has nothing to do with two men trying to gain eternal life. It appears to be a straight up battle between good and evil with mankind in between. Jacob may or may not be an angel. At the moment, I would say this is unclear. However, the Man in Black appears at the very least to be some powerful evil entity, angel, or possibly even Satan himself. Again, this is not yet known. The true premise of the story now appears to be destroying this evil being, or continuing to trap him/it on this island, an island that has been holding him for possibly thousands of years.
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As much as this may suck, I would stop watching the new ones right now. There are only three (last one will most likely be two hours long, so one could say four) episodes left. If you get the answers now, the overall impact will be lost. No pun intended. :)
Look at it this way, every episode will be new to you. Try to avoid Hollywood media shows like ET, Access Hollywood, The Insider, all that crap, etc. You wouldn’t want to be spoiled by accidently hearing the ending.
Go back and watch them in order from season one. You’ll love many of the single episodes and the season finale cliffhangers are always great, especially season one, season three and season five. It is undoubtedly the best way to go. Believe me.
Many questions that you have haven’t yet been answered. For example, what is the island?
The island has great power. It healed Locke’s paralysis, Jin’s infertility, and Rose’s cancer. It also has dark matter (anti-matter) in certain spots underground. This was something that the Dharma Initiative became aware of and was very eager to study.
Under the island, there is a giant metal wheel. When turned, this wheel literally moves the island to another spot on the globe. It is used as a defense mechanism to protect the island from being found. Also, the person who turns the wheel gets transported to Tunisia, Africa. The reason seems to be that a portal through space and time is created and Tunisia is always the exit point. Even the people who came back this way didn’t know why it was the return point.
So what can we say?
Clearly this is no normal island. Speculation has run from it being Eden, possibly Atlantis, and even to an artificial construct like say… an alien spaceship.
However, it now seems to point more toward religion and less toward the secular, the scientific.
The island is not a time machine.
Dharma was thought to be a big part of the story, but it really isn’t. The Dharma Initiative was an idea by two doctoral candidates, Gerald and Karen DeGroot at the University of Michigan. The plan was for a "large-scale communal research compound", where scientists could research meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, and electromagnetism. It has never been explained how the DI became aware of the existence of the island.
When the crash survivors discover the Dharma hatches, they realize they are not the first to visit the island. Once they discover Danielle, and once they meet up with the Others, their suspicions are confirmed.
But the Others are not Dharma. The Others are different people brought to the island from years, decades, and yes, in the case of Richard, centuries past. The Dharma people are all gone. I don’t want to say what happened to them because it will spoil it for you.
As to the two guys, they are not fighting for the island. A few season back, the leader of the Others claimed that he took his orders from a mysterious leader named Jacob. Jacob seems to be the guardian, the protector of the island. He may take human form, but I don’t believe him to be human. His nemesis is The Man in Black. This is what he is called. He has no specific name. He appears to be an evil being who is trapped/being held on the island against his will. It appears that he may be Satan himself and that it is/was this Jacob’s job to hold him there so that he can’t get out into the world and wreak havoc upon man.
It is known now that over the centuries (and I do mean centuries), Jacob has brought people to the island. It seems that he and this being disagree on the value of human beings. The Man in Black believes man is naturally evil and that it is in his very nature to sin. Jacob attempts to prove him wrong by bringing people to the island, giving them a clean slate, and then believing that they can learn, grow, evolve and come to completely understand the difference between right and wrong.
One of the people he brought to the island was Richard. He did this back in the late 1800s. :o No joke. Richard works for Jacob as a liaison between Jacob and the people brought to the island. In exchange for his service, Richard was made immortal. 8)
Jacob feels that if he has to explain to people the differences between right and wrong, good and evil, compassion and greed, etc. al., the people in question never really learn anything. It is akin to a parent telling a small child not to do something without any explanation as to why they shouldn't. If a person is to learn the difference, then they must come to do so themselves otherwise there is no understanding, no growth, and no enlightenment.
The Man is Black believes that mankind is simply an utter waste of time. He only wants to be free. He will use (and kill) people to achieve this goal.
So this has nothing to do with two men trying to gain eternal life. It appears to be a straight up battle between good and evil with mankind in between. Jacob may or may not be an angel. At the moment, I would say this is unclear. However, the Man in Black appears at the very least to be some powerful evil entity, angel, or possibly even Satan himself. Again, this is not yet known. The true premise of the story now appears to be destroying this evil being, or continuing to trap him/it on this island, an island that has been holding him for possibly thousands of years.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write that! those are pretty much all the answers I was looking for (without really spoiling the good parts) someone should make this a Lost FAQ sticky, I'm sure there are a lot of other people that would appreciate this post! these are along some of the conclusions I came to watching the last episode (at least between Jacob and the MIB) without knowing the whole 5 season backstory between them, also regarding Richard as it showed him being a slave on the ship after dodging the bullet and being executed.
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Desolate knows his stuff.
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Fantastic (and very sad) episode this past week. Not many survivors left. :(
Still wondering who that young blonde is that The Man in Black keeps seeing in the jungle. Is that Jacob reincarnated? Clearly, Jacob is not a typical human. But if he can come back, why does he need a candidate/replacement? ???
Also, I think it has become almost a sure thing that if anyone will take Jacob's place on the island, well, it will be Jack. Three candidates died this past episode. Notice how Jacob wouldn't let Jack die several weeks back. Jack lit the dynamite to grant Richard's request because Richard wanted to die and was unable to commit suicide. But Jack felt Richard needed to live. So he stayed with Richard and the dynamite did not explode. The fuse went out at the last second. Jack joked and asked Richard if he wanted to "try another stick."
Why are some candidates allowed to die without any interference from Jacob whereas Jack should have died and Jacob stopped it from happening? ;) Jack is his first choice.
Sawyer has really been a dumbass these past few weeks. He's been making mistake after mistake. This past week those mistakes cost a lot of lives.
I'm also wondering what's going to happen in that tangent reality. It is good for some of them, but bad for others.
Good
Obviously, everyone who died in the crash is now alive again.
Anyone who survived the crash but died on the island is alive again. Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Eko, Charlie, etc. al.
Miles is a cop instead of a scam artist.
Sawyer is a cop instead of a grifter.
Hurley has his money and has used it to expaned into many ventures.
Ben is a history professor. ;D
Bad
Kate is caught and going to jail for murder.
Sayid is going to go to jail for murder of Keamy and his two henchmen.
Rose still has cancer.
Locke is still in a wheelchair.
Is Jin still sterile in this reality? Sun is pregnant. :o Is it Jin's baby?
And let's not forget that some of them seem to be becoming aware that that reality isn't right. It started with Charlie. Charlie showed Desmond. Desmond had it reaffirmed by Eloise Hawking, now Eloise Widmore and her son Daniel. Daniel is now Daniel Widmore, not Faraday, as his mother and Charles Widmore (his real father is both realities) are married in this tangent reality. Libby seemed to come to it on her own as did Daniel when he saw Charlotte. In this tangent reality, Daniel doesn't know her. Desmond got the passenger list from Oceanic 815 and he seems to be visiting everybody to seemingly show them that this reality isn't where they are meant to be. He got Hurley to go see Libby. Hurley now believes. But for reasons I can't explain, Desmond ran over Locke and left him for dead. Why? And who is he going to visit next?
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Good episode. Why won't they just say what the "brother's" name is? Esau?
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The feeling is that his name is not really important and that now they keep from revealing it because they know everyone wants to know. ;)
But that episode threw me quite a bit.
Who was that woman? More and more, I am feeling that the island is Eden. Remember that she said that the island was the source. It was life, death... rebirth. Is this where all of creation began? Is she... Mother Nature? How long had she been there?
Okay, she kills their mother to supposedly keep the boys from their people because people are bad. Clearly, she was tiring of watching/guarding the island. She wanted to be replaced. She thought it would be…well, we'll call him Esau. However, it turned out that Jacob was the understanding/loyal one. Esau wanted off the island to see the world and return to where he came from.
Soon, the ghost of his real mother comes to see him and only him. For some reason not given, Jacob cannot see her. She tells Esau the truth which begins his desire to want to leave the island. He finds the light and wants to build the wheel to leave the island. He thinks that the wheel will allow him to leave the island. While true, no explanation is given as to how he knows this. Just him saying, "I'm special" doesn't cut it. >:(
So his fake mother covers up the hole and kills all of Esau and Jacob's people from the shipwreck. She did this because they too saw the light. This is a problem because she believes they will try to take the light and could accidently extinguish it.
Understood. Man would bring about the demise of all life in trying to possess the light.
So Esau kills her in anger. Jacob beats him and takes him to the cave. He tells him if he wants to leave, then fine – leave. As he pushes him down into the water, Esau hits his head. Either this killed him or knocked him unconscious. Again, no explanation is given. Suddenly, the smoke monster flies from the cave.
Questions:
Is that Esau? Did Esau change into this new being or did he simply free the beast? Their fake mother told Jacob never to go down into the cave.
“Would I die?” – Jacob
“It would be worse than dying, Jacob, much worse.”
What did she mean? Is it that going into the cave would free the creature? Or did she mean that a person would be changed/become a creature?
The easy answer is that it is Esau and that he simply changed into this creature.
But I have problems with that.
In the episode, I didn’t find him evil. I found him likeable.
He simply wanted to know the truth.
He simply wanted to be with his people.
He simply wanted to get off the island.
None of this is unreasonable. If there was a liar and a seemingly bad (and maybe crazy) person, well, it was the fake mother. She lied. She committed murder.
If the smoke monster is simply Esau in some sort of twisted, cursed, ghost-like form, I am going to have a problem with that. I prefer the idea that Esau died and that Jacob accidently freed the creature (possibly Satan) when he sent Esau’s body into the cave in a moment of anger.
I like that idea much better.
Obviously, any fan of the show would think me nuts. They would refer to all of the episodes in which these two have appeared and say that it is clearly Esau with Jacob. But my idea is that the smoke monster appears to Jacob in the form of his brother as a way to torment Jacob, to annoy him, to force him to always remember what he did to his brother in that moment of anger.
Even a melding, a combination of Esau and the smoke monster becoming one being is better than making the smoke monster simply Esau. And again, my reasoning is that he came across well in this episode. I admired his persistence, his determination. I sympathized with his plight. To simply make him the bad guy doesn’t work for me.
Also, if this is the case, I ask…what is the point?
Let me explain.
If his fake mother made him this angry, made him become what he became, then all this could have been prevented if she never interfered in the first place. Claudia would have found her people, had her two sons and made a life for herself on the island with the possibility of escape or rescue at some point in the future.
But this woman brought about all of this with her behavior, her murder of Claudia.
See what I’m getting at?
But if you do it the way I’m suggesting, then the need to keep this thing on the island is paramount and nothing can allow it to escape. Killing would be acceptable in the bigger picture scenario (the need to protect all life everywhere). But the way it is now, both she and Jacob seem to be the cause of its creation if it is indeed Esau in some new form.
Therefore, I am ambivalent about how this is playing out at the moment. :-\
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Unfortunately, there were not a lot of questions answered this week.
More and more, I have to say it simply looks to be Esau in Locke’s body. A shame considering that they went out of their way to show him as a semi-good guy only to wind up as malevolence with no explanation given. :(
Is Richard dead? He is attacked but we don’t see the result. Also, if Esau could’ve killed Richard all these years, why didn’t he do so in the last 100+ years?
The theory that he wanted Richard to join him is true. However, at what point do you give up trying? It is more understandable if Esau was forbidden to kill Richard. That works better and makes more sense. But this episode threw that out the window.
Widmore is dead. Widmore was an interesting character, but now his motivations will never be known. He claims a meeting with Jacob changed him. We never see the meeting. Not good. And if Widmore was always such a bastard, why was he allowed to be the leader of the Others before Ben. Seems like a dumb decision by Jacob. :P
Ben is back to being evil because he wants the island. For what? I can understand that there was a time when it was worth something, but now? There will be nobody left to rule over. Its power won’t do anything for him. Why want it? It seems pointless.
Jack is taking Jacob’s spot as protector. Knew it.
Sawyer admits to being an idiot. I’ve waited six years for that fact to surface. Amen.
Kate’s name was removed because she was raising Aaron. Good explanation. I’d wondered about this since we first saw their names in the cave. Through this, we can deduce that Jin was the one that Jacob was looking at since Sun was now a mother, raising their daughter Ji Yeon.
Desmond is still trying to make everyone in the tangent reality see that they don't belong there. Cool. 8) However, I'm not seeing the end result in my mind. It will definitely a huge part of the finale for me. It may now be more important than the whole Esau thingy.
The Lost Series Finale starts at 9:00PM EST. There is a special at 7:00PM EST, but this will be one of those talkie things with two of the producers, Lindelof and Cuse. They are stretching this preview for two hours which I think is ridiculous.
The actual final two episodes begin at 9:00PM EST and runs till 11:30PM EST.
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Absoultely hated the finale. They turned it into a chick flick with couples crying and slobbering all over each other. Didn't answer many questions at all.
The end result was just dumb. Way too simplistic. Pull the plug out of the heart of the island and put it back in back in. ::)